the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun

[wasdtomove924]

was this the prototype?

[Shady4782]

I thought the assult rifle ban (more like a ban on any gun that looked scary) expired awile back? Im not a pro on these things but I think you might be able to buy this with a class 3.

That is just an "I think" I am not for sure here.

[disturbedone5009]

@Shady4782

The federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004 but some states have their own AW laws like CA, where I live. You cannot buy a Kriss because it was made after May of 1986. The Hughes amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act banned all new made machine guns from civilian ownership. So any guns made and registered before May of 1986 can be sold to civilians. You don't need a Class III to buy but you do to sell. There is a lot of paper work involved as well as a 6+ month wait.

[themiphz]

The TDI Vector[4][5] series are a family of submachine guns developed by Transformational Defense Industries. They utilize asymmetrical recoil and in-line design to reduce recoil and muzzle climb.

[BagelBoi53]

Simply Orgasmic.

[youisa1]

um that isnt a Kriss Super Vector, thats a cheep peace of shet.

[Spartan043]

@youisa1 This is the prototype version from about five years back. They didn't add the fancy stock until later.

[LiieZMuang]

i dun think that's a ksv >:(

[splosionsRfun]

I know what gun I'll try renting next time at the range :D

haha

Is that legal for a citizen to have?

[Isosyth]

@splosionsRfun The Kriss CRB/SO is

[camaro76]

@splosionsRfun that would be fun as hell, but outrageously expensive. its about 20 dollars for 50 rounds of .45 acp at my local shooting range, and you would go through some serious money if you shot that thing for any length of time. and yes a civilian can own this weapon, but they would need to get a class 3 license.

[splosionsRfun]

@camaro76 Yeah unfortunately I spend about 60% of my time shooting a .22 :(

[motoktm10]

@camaro76 Um actually I hate to burst you're bubble but since this gun was made after 1986 a normal citizen with a class 3 permit can not own it. You actually have to be law enforcement/active duty military or be a class 3 dealer with a demo letter.

[camaro76]

@motoktm10 hmm, i guess you learn something new every day!

[SEAMOKTactical]

Gives the term Duck Hunting a whole new meaning...LOL

[westernrebel89]

i want that in my house

[Suprasylph]

The P90 is a personal defense weapon that uses the FiveseveN round, ostensibly designed to penetrate low level body armour. The KRISS Super V SMG was meant to be a CQB weapon intended for forward assaults. The .45 round carries more energy than the FiveseveN round and will knock a person flat on their back.

[AdmiralZhao007]

ugly, but better than the ump, since it is more accurate shoots faster and has the same calibre (.45 colt auto matic

[nameno1elsehas]

@AdmiralZhao007 lol MW nerd tryin to seem smart by talking about guns

[AdmiralZhao007]

@nameno1elsehas

k

[switchbladec]

@nameno1elsehas i nooooooo

[mattinthehouse11]

i expected pop pop pop,but i got zzzzzzzzzzzzzoooowwww

[Xanofar]

This gun was featured in CSI NY season four's final episode.

It manages to hit a target twice at nearly the exact same place because of the lack of kick-back in the gun.

[338lapsniper]

stop arguing video games and things that don't matter people, this is a bad ass new design and is very, very combat effective why don't we talk about that and the future of the weapon and something related like when are they going to make a full sized 7.62x51 version with 30 round mags hanging from the underside! if this is 6 lbs what would the battle rifle be 10 lbs? .....yeeeessss

[2muchreality4u]

This one looks much different than the new KRISS Super Vs I have seen. This is a prototype I am guessing?

[42ndAirsoftLegion]

Those are AMAZING groups for .45 ACP on full-auto; God damn do I love the recoil mechanism in this gun!

[detectivemoosey]

Thatooks different to me

[daneelect1]

where's everyone gettin these super v's??! ive been lookin everywhere but cant find them on civilian market

[digifalc0087]

Interesting design. I read the recoil is supposed to be vastly reduced over, say, the MP-5 system for sustained full-auto.

[RIFLES2J]

ive shot this and i british :D :L

[detectivemoosey]

@RIFLES2J Holy shit where?

[RIFLES2J]

@detectivemoosey firearms development in the MOD

[detectivemoosey]

@RIFLES2J Oh well 2 things 1. BUGGER! I wish I worked there 2 What qualifications will I need to work there?

Another thing why was this there? As a replacement for the SAS MP5?

[RIFLES2J]

@RIFLES2J you can either sign up to the army, or get a job directly to the MOD

[detectivemoosey]

@RIFLES2J Um....how can I get a direct job?

[RIFLES2J]

@detectivemoosey uhh maby the MOD web site? im not sure cuz im in the army..

[zip1212]

very nice the vibration looks intense

[Nukleurfire]

Whats the point of making a gun fire so fast? Do people intend to kill stacks of bears or something?

[Bobbylegs37]

Is anyone going to post anything useful here? Like "why does that gun not look like the modern KRISS?".

[zerzom868]

@m4huntin you are 100% wrong the scar is FN and the super v was designed by blackwater and there the reason it is what it is and bushmaster made the acr better they made the acr more reliable have more bullet options and made the charging handle not awkward at all

[m4huntin]

guess who you can thank for the super v being what it is today. MAGPUL thats right same for the many patents used on the scar as well as the entire ACR completely designed by MAGPUL yet bushmaster acts like they had anything to do with the design. bushmaster skrewed the common shooter 3000 dollars wow suck it bushmaster remington.

[Treselak]

What are you talking about? Magpul licensed Remington and Bushmaster to produce commercial versions of the Masada A.K.A. the ACR. They didn't steal anything.

[m4huntin]

I know and didnt say they stole anything so yea. Im emphasizing the fact that magpul is the shit and everyone else wants to be them so.Their gear is the most combat effective and capable.

[MRsoupface]

the gun is called the "kriss super-v 45. smg"

[MGOyaknow]

thats not what the gun looks like the one in the video is na early concept. a prototype

[RIFLES2J]

ohh been there done thatlike 1.5 years ago, and im british!! :D

[piwright42]

Simmer down now. Future Weapons made information about this weapon as confusing as possible. They present it as an Israeli weapon made by Israelis, then they use the name of the operating system as the weapon's overall name. Kriss is a name of a Asian fighting dagger. TDI is based in the US and is part of Gamma Applied Visions Group SA, a Swiss firm. Second Both names are acceptable at this point. Look at the A-10. Fairchild-Republic called it the Thunderbolt II but we call it the Warthog.

[apoco]

Kriss and Vector are both proper names for the weapon, talk to anyone who knows about weapons and they'll know what your talking about. Kriss is the name of the system and also a name they gave for the weapon though They named it the Vector as a more proper name for the weapon over all

[Demonsparda666]

finaly somebody that got it right

[xXmanman567Xx]

every one who is -rating yellowmadness's comments are retarded

one, that just shows you fail at life and take shit to seriously.

2. THIS GUN IS CALLED THE TDI VECTOR, AND IF YOU REALLY THINK IT IS CALLED A "KRISS" THANT YOU ARE A BLOODY LITTLE FAGGOT ASS RETARD!

[csmybuttt]

You can call it the "Kriss," retard.

[xXmanman567Xx]

no you cant dumbass

[csmybuttt]

You're right. I've looked it up. It is called the TDI Vector; although that's the only thing you're right about.

[xXmanman567Xx]

@csmybuttt ? what am i wrong about then?

[csmybuttt]

Perhaps you should read the whole thread?

[csmybuttt]

Hey, I recognize your name. You must be yellow's butt buddy. #1 or 2? I forget.

[xXmanman567Xx]

?

ugh, no. Me and yellow barely talk at all, I just looked up pivot stuff and found him.

[2012Ascenscion]

No Muzzle climb!!!! i want one!!!!!

[punx12050]

mmmm looks like high stopping power :)

[Stalin111]

wow, nice! looks quite like some 90s sciencefiction-guns.

[aieoneoneeight]

low recoil for a .45 ACP

[Tpwn3d]

oh SH**!

[christlubas]

.45 vs 9mm

.45 > Stopping power

9mm > Penetration.

PS: if someone says the 9mm is more powerful then he or she can stop playing Call of duty cause the 9mm there is overpowered...........

[yellowmadness54]

Its not even called the Kriss super V, thats its system's name.

The gun is called the TDI Vector

[galindo999]

its called kriss, super V is the system

[yellowmadness54]

The gun is called the TDI Vector

the system is Kriss super V

[galindo999]

no on military chanel they call it a kriss

[yellowmadness54]

well they are wrong because it is called the TDIVECTOR!

[AIRSOFTHURTS101]

no thats what call of duty call it you idiot, look at future weapons- it's disigner calls it the kriss and he gets to choose ^^

[yellowmadness54]

YOU ARE A RETARDED LITTLE FAG,

THE GUN WAS MADE BY TRANSFORMATIONAL DEFENSE INDUSTRIES AND WAS CALLED THE TDI VECTOR!

STOP PLAYING COD AND WATCHING THE MILITARY CHANNEl, I KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT GUNS THAN YOU SO SHUT THE HELL UP YOU LITTLE FAG

[galindo999]

it is now proto type was called kriss

[yellowmadness54]

The gun was made by Transformational Defense Industries, and they called it the TDI vector.

Its shoots a .45ACP. This, in the video, was the first prototype (which is very ugly)

[xXmanman567Xx]

dude your a RETARD!

its called the TDI Vector, not the

"kriss" or the "super V"

man, you sound like a CoD4 noob.

" blargh, hez got da uber duber Kriss SMG X errr"

dumbass

[galindo999]

i know fag i wached on military chanel they used to call it kriss and i dont even play cod 4

[yellowmadness54]

wrong, retard

[COLUMBINE1818]

I love the camera angle on the targets. Shows every round in a tight group in a split second.

[donogic]

p90 on steroids

[Churchx77]

How is that a P90 on steroids ? Its not the same mechanism, or caliber. It doesnt even have the same purpose.

[ZrazorRozenstrauch]

@Churchx77 Because VIDEO GAMES LMFAO

[Churchx77]

Yeah I thought as much, still that comment had pissed me off.

[ZrazorRozenstrauch]

@Churchx77 Yeah, most of these greasy-fingered little bastards wouldn't know the difference between .45 ACP and 5.7x28mm if you shot them in the knees with both.

[deltaforce653]

@Churchx77 YOu are correct it isn't even close to being a p90 on steroids

[yellowmadness54]

dude, this gun isn't even bullpup design

[simoncoppe]

that gun is so good on crossfire :p

[kennyrocks123456]

how much zp should u buy to get it?

[TheLeadStriker]

i think it would be in crates...U spend alot of Gp/Zp and never get anything...

[alvanpham]

.............. your the only one i ever saw with 2............... IF THERES ANYWAY WE CAN GIFT IN THE FUTURE, CAN U PLZZZZZZZZZ GIVE ME ONE!?!?!?

plZZZZZZZZZZZ

[alvanpham]

FinalShotsReviews, watch his video

that guy reviews most of all the guns.. he said its power of Ak 47 but fast as Uzi= RAPE EVERYONE

[krayziebone619]

this gun on crossfire is awsome man i just got it last week and i already got the hang of it, trust me its a must have

[iLLmatic240]

This gun is going to be iN MW2

[xo8jumbalaya8ox]

It's confirmed? If it is, it's going to be like the mp40 in waw I bet lol

[RiOTxForce]

This gun's got a .45 caliber round..

Does the mp40?

[xo8jumbalaya8ox]

I meant like the mp40 as in everyone would probably use it all the time with stopping power lol

[donogic]

mp40 used 9mm

[yellowmadness54]

no, dude, stop playing CoD

[criticaboutvids]

mp40 is 9mm

so it IS WAY over power

but the thompson is .45 and did less damage... |W|T|F|

[Mabombs]

This gun is a cqb GOD.

[flamefoil13]

O.O

[doom032]

Smoky.

[ukrainesuperpower87]

probably it's very unreliable

[videogamemaster788]

this is in MW2

[beanzieb0y23]

This one is a different version.

[videogamemaster788]

o well this gun is still beast

[O8SERVER]

Notice the lack of muzzle climb, as a result of its unusual internal recoil system.

Pretty interesting firearm.

[bromeo4484]

that thing is weird looking

[darkninja225]

but that look say in 15 years will be standerd weel all ajust to the look,plus dosent the design help with recoil and muzzel jump?

[benner2000]

Disarming civilians is the quickest way to enslavement. Always love your country, never trust the government.

[SendInTheChickens]

That's interesting because I would say that the US is a far more controlled state than most European countries and yet you are allowed to own guns. So I'm pretty sure your theory is nonsense.

[RackEmPunk]

You live in England. Even knives are being banned.

Your main, best means of defense (firearms) has been taken away BY YOUR GOVERNMENT and by your fellow countryman's apathy.

Well, I suppose you can always pretend that you're free...

[SendInTheChickens]

Interesting. What happens if you don't pay taxes? You're fined or go to jail. What happens what happens if you stop going to work? You're unable to meet rent obligations or mortgage payments and you quickly lose your social privileges. What happens if you kill another human being whom you do not like? You're locked away for the greater part of your life. None of us are free. Never have been and nor will we ever be. But I have lived in England and the US and I know which is the more restricted.

[gunut4FMJ]

lol England less restrict than the US? I heard you brits will soon no longer be able to enjoy a pint in a glass mug because glass can be dangerous!

[jimmythecool911]

lol as a brit i do find that quite funny. but i have shot this belive it or not.

[AirsoftGhostSqaud]

@RackEmPunk go die

[turdburger17]

yeh got one of them on our farm

[driveridl]

that gun kicks ass

[Nodrog666]

And gun laws don't do jack cause the criminals get their guns illegally. Since when did they care they're breaking the law?

[antifungalspray]

thats not a kriss super v! wtf is that!?

[jetfrom92]

That's one of the first Kriss, not the finished one or the other models that you've seen in all the other movies, or documentaries on youtube. So yes it's a Kriss.

[Darusdei]

so in america full automatic weapons are leagal? isnt that abit harsh :D

i understand that some people want to own guns etc... but full automatics...

[airsoftwarrior1]

no but to the law a us army

[AnonymousBlargg]

They aren't flat-out banned, nor readily availible. They're expensive and there's a lot of paperwork and such involved.

[viperman5686]

Any non felon in America can get a fully-automatic weapon if they are willing to pay the big bucks. The thing is not only are they expensive, they're all tracked, it takes a lot of time, and it's a pain in the ass.

It's the illegally obtained automatic weapons you have to worry about. But even then, nearly all gun murders are with semi-automatic weapons.

[PLUMCRAZYFIREARMS]

You can only have a Post Sample Weapon if your a Class 3 dealer with CLEO letter head, all guns made after 1986 that was not regestered is not available to the public period! I am a Machine gun dealer! The Kriss in full auto is not available to the public ever! Just wanted to make that clear, no offense, any weapon before 1986 in the NFA regestry is available to civilians on a FORM 4!

[AmdGod]

thats are right to own full auto weapons

i own a full auto m16

i got a class 3 weapons permit for it.

we have that right

[Darusdei]

im starting to begin to think that all weapons should be banned here(Finland)

we had a second school shooting (year apart for the first)

if people wont use their guns properly take them away i say :D

[AmdGod]

your country may ban guns...but that wont stop the killing. a knife,bat,batons etc can kill just as easy as a gun can.

[Darusdei]

Aye but i think with a knife the casualties will stay relatively low

this nutjob killed 6 or 8 then almost failed killing himself

[Jarek4]

banning them would be stupid. If everyone that's capable of carrying a gun had one, you think anyone would try anything?

[Darusdei]

well i see your point

but that doesent solve the nutcase jobs who just flip, like i stated before about the shoolshootings, i wouldnt even like to imagine what the casualties would have been if there would've been automatic weapons involved

[Jarek4]

and if everyone else had firearms there would have been little to none casualties because as soon as he fired 1 or just pulled it out people would shoot him. than you'd have just the crazy guy dead instead of the innocents that deserve to be alive

[Darusdei]

well that's pretty staight forward logic

but the real world doesent work like that

[Jarek4]

logic+people=noncompatible

[RackEmPunk]

"Utopia" is not an option.

[RackEmPunk]

Darusdei wrote: "im starting to begin to think"

But all you came up with was "ban all weapons?"

Keep trying.

[Darusdei]

It's not utopia to have no guns.

you need a machinegun to protect your home or to hunt? try again.

it's pretty simple, if people cant responsible handle firearms they shoudnt have them...

if you're some sort of gun freak buy a ticket to thailand there u can blow chickens to cows from a pistol to an rpg and costs only 200$

[RackEmPunk]

Is so simple, even "Doris Day" can understand it: Free men own weapons... slaves don't.

It's a "freedom thing"... you don't seem to get it.

You want a world where only the police and military own weapons? I sure don't. It sounds too much like a police state to me.

No thanks, hoplophobe.

[Darusdei]

Well most weapons are designed to kill people so yeah, only ones who should have weapons are the military...

Freedom thing? lol, are you serious?

"it's a police state if i cant own guns" give me a fucking break...

you cant even defend your idea. "its a freedom!" "nazis!" "policestate" "liberty!"

very strong stuff indeed perhaps ur patriotic emotions run high but thats a pretty weak case.

[RackEmPunk]

Dear "Doris Day": You should install a large poster on the front door of your home. It should say THIS:

"This home has NO firearms or other weapons inside it. This home is a violence free zone."

I dare you.

[Darusdei]

oh the evil robbers and killers would go on a killing spree because they know that, that house doesnt contain guns?

if the "evilman" is coming he will propably presume that u will have a gun no matter what some sign says and i dont think hes changing hes mind because some idiot owns a gun

[RackEmPunk]

"The majority should never lose freedom due to the actions of the minority."

Does that resonate?

You know, "Doris," I could have 100 belt-fed machine-guns in my gun vault and you wouldn't be one whit more in danger. Removing the weapons of law abiding citizens will never control crime and it never has!

If you don't mind, which socialist, weapon deprived country do you live in?

And if you're not a VOTING American, you might want to remain silent about our hard-fought, American freedoms.

[Darusdei]

Ah yes im not from the usa (the only free nation in the world)

i cant understand why you defend your right to own a gun. i totaly understand if you hunt...

but when you own a gun isnt it very dangerous to get shot by the police over there?

specialy if they know you have machineguns :D

[RackEmPunk]

I will never forget these two quotes:

"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace."

James Madison

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."

Samuel Adams

You should be proud of your countryman, the great Finnish sniper, Simo Häyhä.

Without his excellent shooting skills, you might be speaking Russian!

[Darusdei]

Ah yes Simo Häyhä was an accurate guy :D

So you misstrust your government so much that u want to have guns? well i dont blame you, last few years have been pretty messy.

but dont u think that if ppl own guns the oppressors would just shoot and say that they are terrorists in the media?

like that one bloody day at ireland where brittish soldiers even planted guns so they wouldnt be blamed for shooting unarmed civilians

[RackEmPunk]

Our government is VERY corrupt, all the way from the top to the bottom, But not ALL in government are evil.

Many in our military know the depth of the problem and deception. They will be our greatest ally, but I still wish to remain armed against the oppressors. They still fear armed citizens.

It will only get worse in the coming years. Obama has now been placed in office and I fear he will only accelerate the new world order's attempted takedown.

We live in interesting times, unfortunately.

[Darusdei]

didnt obama support bushes phone tapping laws?

[Jethro212]

Not when he was running! After he got in office he did! Just like the other day he said he would "use any tool at his disposal" to get information... Wait, he would waterboard now?

[naxgcs]

you're very paranoid

[RackEmPunk]

You're very naive, "naxgs."

[r6v2man]

you are a very ignorant and stupid man

[sidebar1981]

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." - Samuel Johnson

[r6v2man]

like i said before you are a very ignorant and stupid man. I dont want to dumb down the conversation but, wow whoever you are Darusdei i can tell that you know nothing of what you are talking about and guns should not be restricted because of a few stupid people

[Darusdei]

so your stand is that this kind of weapons should be leagal to own by anyone to defend them selfs?

[marineninga]

You say that now! but when armed malitia come knocking on your door.........

[Lordevil13]

OMG!

[01KravenMoorehead]

firing bigger slugs faster doesn't mean it's better, just more interesting.

[ShiekUrBooty]

what's a "slug"?

[01KravenMoorehead]

projectile; bullet

[ShiekUrBooty]

it was tough night out that night, slugs are traditionally shotgun ammo, but I can appreciate the candor of your response.

Have a good weekend.

[ShiekUrBooty]

"firing bigger slugs faster doesn't mean it's better, just more interesting."

But this subgun, the Kriss, shoots the .45 acp slug with greatly reduced muzzle rise, which is readily apparent in the video. There may also be reduced recoil, but I'm not a spokesman for the company nor an expert by any means.

However, I do own mini uzi full auto converted to .45 acp with a tungsten weight compensated bolt and it is now a usable firearm at 800 rpms in 9mm it was a bit much to handle at 1200 rpm

[SendInTheChickens]

You are the coolest person I've ever read. You have a good weekend.

[wrcwr1]

word on the street is a .50 cal is in the works like the desert eagle ammo...lol...its gonna be a wrap!

[MAnaMaNA911]

omg that scared the crap out of me lol haha

[thomas242007]

where can i get one!!!

seriously

[ShiekUrBooty]

I have a full auto 9MM mini uzi with .45 conversion kit and silencer availble for sale at 16.5K if you are a USA resident, make the offer and mail the money order and your dream will come true.

[thomas242007]

hell yeah im american and a citizen, how much would one of these mosters go for? 900 or so??

[ShiekUrBooty]

I didn't mean to go off on that other dude but it was drunk out that night and it's been hell for me the last few months...had to vent. Sorry.

Back to your question, in the US you could get a 9MM subgun like a Mac or clone of S&W M76 for about 3.5K to 5K...if you shopped hard and found a seller hard up for cash, maybe lower. It's a steep price to pay but the numbers are limited because of a 1986 law.

For more information g oo gle tom bowers suguns web site and you'll learn tons of info

[moosemanzion]

how did these ppl get one of these i thought they were just being tested for military use

WTF man

[mp5man]

they built it

[ShiekUrBooty]

WTF Man?

what a retard. In America, citizens possess the right to own machine guns. Americans don't posses the right to own this machine gun because it is "new".

And if you don't know what "new" means, go fuck your self moosemanzion you vaginal itch scratching mother lumper.

[fivestars20]

wtf, ok well this thing fires bigger 45cal rounds with higher accuracy, les recoil and higher firing rate then the conventional 9mm SMGs... soo yeah, they made a better gun....

[saggenbendavis]

This is the prototype for what premiered on Future Weapons last season. The weapon is also American, so I think we beat ourselves there? Please, enlighten me.

[TongsOfDoom]

Well, the original prototype designs of the gun was developed in Switzerland, but the finished gun was first made, and tested, in America. So, if you don't mind... Please explain why America's supposed to beat its own gun.

[mencken]

It was a tandem development between Swiss TDI and American GD, Tong. It's pretty much an international development weapon, like so many around these days.

[croat88]

It looks like a water hose

[zombicreature]

how many rounds can it fire up /min

[TongsOfDoom]

The specs say it can fire, depending on firing mode, from 800-1100 rounds per minute.

[GuitarMan6293]

ugly fugly shugly gun

[p00pl0rd]

it's like the AUG, m11/9, and the mp7a1 had a three way and 9 months later this popped out

[miketbf]

Im guessing that was a full magazine? It looks faster than a Mac...