Gurdjieff gave great advice but a lot of it is scattered throughout the books his students wrote. Eliphas Levi also gave great advice and Gurdjieff fans will appreciate this free teaching I think:
scribd.com/doc/24362696 (it is similar to Gurdjieff's approach to attract or create what one wishes)
blah blah blah.anything that is going to distract attention from self.you born with it they learn you to work with it you live with it and you re going to die with it for sure.now if the guy was jewish or not dont matter at all.
It's really lame to see a Georgian claiming our Gurjieff lol....Anyone can check his biography and see he was from Gyumri, Armenia with Armenian and Greek parents, but Georgians are just Georgians ;-)))
are u absolutely nuts? Gurjieff is from Armenia, Gyumri, his father is Armenian and mother is Greek, what a cheap way to again steal Armeian heritage and obviously Armeias are white Indo Europeans, u better care abt georgian origin lol
In March 1918, Ouspensky separated from Gurdjieff. Four months later Gurdjieff's eldest sister and her family reached him in Essentuki as refugees, informing him that Turks had shot his father in Alexandropol on 15 May during the Armenian Genocide
@tatobibiluri Gurdjieff himself says he was called "The BLACK Greek", but that's besides the point. Who the fuck gives a shit whether he was Armenian, Georgian, or Martian?! What matters is what the man taught, you ignorant shits! Go somewhere else to bicker about this bullshit!
Gurdjieff was born to a Greek father and Armenian mother in Alexandropol (now Gyumri, Armenia), then part of the Russian Empire.[6] The Muslims around Georgia call the Georgian people gurdjis, which may account for the root of the name "Gurdjieff".
Ask any Muslim what Gurji means, it means JEW, Muslims calls Georgians "Jews",because u are desplaced Jews to Caucasus., semitic roots
@BeautySavesWorld Is he a Khazar who choose Judaism as Religion, or a Jew from Israel who come to east europe 700 years ago ? and yes Gurji means Jew.
Gurjiev himself was from Armenia, with Armenian mother, wiki says his father was Greek...but the origin of father's last name ( which obviously goes far back in history) is a matter for speculation. Because Muslims call Georgia GURHIstan and Georgians Gurji, some Georgians connect it to themselves, which in its turn means Jew which also can be attributed to Jews, but that is only specualtion about his far back roots. Maybe his Greek ancestors just took.that last name
@hadlow92 I'm really surprised since I thought being "enlightened" entails being in the best possible state of mind without relying on anything external to enhance your mood. Why would an enlightened person smoke? Smoke is to relief stress. Is that something someone like Gurdjieff needs?
There is something about this man...aura...fascination...like ancient pyramids...Atlantis maybe...seems to me that he was a real occult teacher. Look those people around him, then look him again...meditate...occult...magician...and suddenly you are There, you understand. Thanks for post.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms...
I'm exploring the cosmology of universal fields, and how to 'astra~genetically' crealate bodies from this spectrum of materialities. I display my findings on my sight consciousness. this is where the 'higher being bodies' come from, in my naive opinion
I WAS DEEP INTO COMPARATIVE PHILOSOPHY IN THE LATE SIXTIES AND EARLY SEVENTIES, HE WAS ONE OF THE PLAYERS THAT MADE SOME MAJOR CONTRIBUTIONS IN THIS FIELD, I REMEMBER SOME GREAT STORIES ABOUT HIM, TWO THAT COME TO MIND ARE THAT HE HAD A LOT OF AUTO ACCIDENTS, AND THE OTHER WAS THAT HE HAD A LOT OF WOMEN, SUPPOSEDLY HE WOULDN'T HAVE SEX WITH THE WOMEN UNLESS THEY WOULD GET PREGNANT BY THEM, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE STORIES WERE TRUE OR NOT,ALSO HE BROUGHT DIGITAL ANALYSIS INTO PHILOSOPHY MORE...
@sterpinator Yes they do!that was probably a reason why I stopped Yoga/when I realised that +asked my teacher (whats the point of evolving since u ll be more attacked +suffer more)gave me this precise answer:saints suffered too/ but they also posessed power to deal with it"I wasnt ok with the idea
@sterpinator u know what?....i believe this just happens with all great teachers/the truth has been told all over again +ag through time but is personal+mind cant perceive it/adopt it.evolution is personal+hard
@sterpinator A man can only attain knowledge with the help of those who possess it. This must be understood from the very beginning. One must learn from him who knows"
His words from Ouspenskys "In Search of the Miraculous". The key before incorporating is understanding..
To people asking questions here: the evidence is in the doing. I spent years in a G group. Talking is useless. People use that as an excuse not to work on themselves. Try to do the The Work. There are various techniques given. Most groups talk endlessly about theoretical mysticism and thus accomplish nothing but having a social occasion and jabbering on and on. If you work on yourself and achieve nothing, then just drop it. Be brutally honest with yourself. Otherwise, it's a waste of time.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Gurdjieff was a prankster and you are following his game. I grew up on a Gurdjieff compound in Aurora Oregon and it was for weak minded people. His work was nothing more than a joke and you people took it all in, the joke is on you, the fools of modern society.
@Ardalla555 I find your comment to be outmost honest and appropriate. Since I'm a new comer to this, what materials, techniques, literature, and/or groups would you recommend a beginner so that he/she can evolve spiritually? I live in San Diego, CA. Thank you for your time. Best regards.
@Ardalla555 Talking is useless... If you are asleep. Gurdjieff himself said that a man alone cannot accomplish anything. I had the opportunity of meeting people who had worked with G. at the Gurdjieff Foundation in NYC. Their level of UNDERSTANDING of the teachings of G. is remarkable. Also, there is an oral transmission, experiments and exercises that are not on the books, music, etc. The groups are not to talk but to work together and give support to each other.
@Ardalla555 Not lying to yourself is incredibly difficult. Even when you think you're doing well, usually you're not. All self-indulgence is hard to overcome, as it's hard to see that you ARE lying to yourself. That's part of the problem. Jeanne De Salzman wrote a good essay about that.
@Ardalla555 Hi, so I read you spend several years in a Gurdjieff group. Can I perhaps ask you some questions about these teachings?? I have some questions, which are quite important to me and only people can give an answer who actually know more about these teachings. Can I send you a mail or private message, for the space here is to small for my questions... Thanks!!
In other words Gurdjieff was not an old fashioned gypsy black magician that trained a bunch of pupils to carry on an evil agenda. A lot of people are calling this cult stuff just old fashioned witch craft dressed up as a philosophical teaching. Yet there are videos of Gurdjieff going to a church that seemed to be made for the worship of gargoiles and demons. He himself said this is a way against God. Therefore why call it the work or the fourth way, lets call this thing the way against God.
@Boster166 you re not making sense man. read ouspenky's book ''in search of the miraculous'', he was one of G's first students and explains things quite well
@onceuponthecross I'm making a lot of sense try reading betwen the lines. If you are in a real gurdjieff group you'll find out that I'm right soon enough.
I've read quite a bit about Gurfjieff and The Fourth Way and find it utter fascinating.
There is one rather troubling element (perhaps deliberately intended so) that I would appreciate some insight on:
Gurdjieff stated that many people were actually "already dead" in essence. Was this intended as a metaphor in any way or was he speaking entirely literally?
If so, how would one know whether one was indeed already dead?
@aureliosantana08 When G said that people were already dead, he meant that they have no possibility of awakening and being successful in The Work). This occurs because of eternal recurrence, meaning that, with each birth/death cycle, unless a person gains in consciousness, he or she loses opportunities for development. Eventually, all opportunities are lost. He mentioned certain famous people (Napoleon?) who are already dead and have the same life over and over. More could be said but ...
@aureliosantana08 could that be similar to gnostic knowledge/Judas gospel saying some people have +others dont have souls?(others said that too)this meaning some ppl are definitely doomed!
@delagrazia I thought the whole idea was that human beings can create a higher bodies for themselves by walking a certain path through life. That's what I understood from reading Gurdjieff. The tipitaka (Pali canon of Buddhist literature) agrees too.
Stripinator: Gurdjieff was a tight slap on all the bogus religions which has just became a moral dictum, a dead ritual. He's an enlightened soul with a difference, he'll live in a style no master had lived before, he smoked, he traded the carpets from one place to another, he did several things which no religious man could think of. That's why he's a rare phenomenon
His whole approach was based on one idea, Self remembering, which is one of the most powerful method of knowing thyself. He's a great master, a rare phenomena, but was not as charismatic as buddha or osho... buddha and osho couldn't become friend.... but he was of a great help in a small group.. that's being a true friend. Buddha before death declared that he'll appear again by the name of Maitreya (meaning a friend)..
"While Tasting, dancing, walking, be aware you are and enter the everlasting"
@sterpinator More likely, he wasn't perfect. In fact, he identified himself w/ Ashiata Shamash -- a genius, yet a failure; Gurdjieff respected all Teachers (The Number 7's, such as Buddha) -- yet Gurdjieff always said Jesus was a Number 8.
Also, G. once, in a room full of dervishes and Sufis, came right out and said that the Christian religion was better than theirs!
@llcomparin self-remembering requires self-observation & results in not identifying with negative aspects of the self and others. I could be wrong, yet it seems external consideration is love for others and internal consideration fuels hatred and anger.
for some reason the external idea, the idea of loving others, is harmonious.
I dont know if there was ever a time when children were brought up naturally,i.e.,their needs met,in a natural enviroment by natural people in a people- and child-centred world.
I think the the modern world trashes people,and trashes people who stand by,and produces people who are damaged,one way or the other,to greater or lesser degrees.
I dont think reality can be achieved without the damage being addressed.
non è sufficiente leggere un libro,perchè avvenga l'alchimia,infatti tutti leggono i lbri
ma rimangono addormentati,la cosa piu importante è l'osservatore di voi stessi,un centro che osserva unìaltro centro,dove vi trovate quando leggete in quale centro,intellettuale o istintivo o emiozionale se non dividete non conoscerete mai la macchina,e se la macchina non è conosciuta si fa solo un gran confusione.saluti dal vs maestro gurdijeff
@sterpinator If I may offer some insight? Please see the YT series of Terrence Mckenna's -Ture Hallucinations,and YT's Science of Miracles by Gregg Braden. In addition to these I would recommend investigating the work of Edgar cayce,Dr Melvn Morse,Dr Raymond Moody, See the YT vid called "Hemi-Sync # 4 by the Monreo Institute. The Book Penetration by Govt. Remote Viewer Ingo Swann.
Gurdjieff was the greatest man in last 1,000 years or more. It is a great tragedy that his work was not completed as he intended. It is possible to do his practices and achieve Concious awarness. I did. But it takes immense effort and percerverance and absoluted commitmant, but it can be done.
@sterpinator Try reading Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous", then "Transcripts of Gurdjieff's Meetings 1941-1946". " Beelzebub" requires a certain attention. These books may help.
Truth is not only what is real, it is not only reality; but truth is also the ultimate reality, the best possible state of existence. Evolution is the greatest expression of existence. When I say I seek truth, I seek to become all I can be, to experience the best of the universe. I am a little ignorant child in these matters, I know nothing about truth, so make what you will of my words. Take care sir.
@JonathanScherr so truth is relative then and not absolute,if it is an experience as you have said? Truth can be said to be nothing more that one's own interpretations of said experience.
Truth is not relative, but rather, in degrees. Each person experiences truth on a different level. We ordinary people experience one level, very subjective, a buddhist monk would experience another level, less subjective; a mystic would experience yet a higher level, less subjective yet, and so forth. Subjectivity is not only personal interpretation, but personal limitation. No, truth is not relative, we are.
@JonathanScherr i agree on some points BUT there is no such thing as ''ordinary people'',buddhist monks are no different from us,the difference is mastering and discipline,thats the only difference but we to could experiance the same if we put effort into it just as these mystics have,and all mystics will tell you that u are just as capable as them
I agree with you Boster166, Gurdjieff was a smoker and alocoholic, he enjoyed woemn some his own pupils and he had a car accident, got shot, lost his Brother, and his wife to cancer, His entire family was stranded during the second world war including his mother and with all his amazing powers of telepathy and whatever he had no clue. Maybe we're making a saint out of a fellow man.
I have been in the work for over 20 years and I haven't become a man number 7 or four or conscious, I had a stroke after I quit smoking and got hit by a car while crossing the street a month after my stroke. When people join the work they think they are safe from normal dangers, not even Gurdjieff was safe.
to but it simply tyhe 3 ways were that is of monk , that is of yogi and that is of worshipper of religious man.gurjev thought that they all drive away man from his goal which is-harmony with life so he inventid 4 way, the way being attentive in middle of life.
Hello friends, I am a Falun Dafa practitioner. Falun Dafa (or Falun Gong) is a cultivation system in the Buddha School based on the principles of the Universe: Truth, Compassion, Forbearance. It helped millions of people to regain health, peace of mind and obtain spiritual fulfillment. Since 1999 this peaceful practice is being brutally persecuted by the CCP in Mainland China. More than 3000 Falun Gong practitioners have died at the hands of CCP in the past 10 years.
Essentially what he is describing is the multidimensional component of human existence, but the downfall is that the only way to describe it is in one-dimensional ways - through language.
The challenge is precisely to overcome the imbalance of the three centers, so that instead of living one-dimensionally, you live on two or three axis simultaneously. Once you live in three dimensions, you are integrated.
Seek out masters - not who want to master you, but those who have mastered the tradition.
What do you find the essence of G's work? He talks about us being in a prison, doesn't he. It seems to me that G is saying that we are manufactured being, enslaved by the chains of conditioning created by society, by institutionalised religion, by society's institutions generally,by language. G then says that we have a false picture of reality, that the way we see the world with our cognitive linguistic minds does not correspond to the way we actually experience reality. That's my take on G.
When one finds the Gurdjieff work. Thinking it is the way to learn how to Do. After some time in the work he begins to decay from within. His life becomes worst. The work turns into slavery. He finds that the TEACHERS are out to remove all his good qualities and place them in their own children and family members. Then the teachers try to do what Gurdjieff once told Frank Loyd Wright. You start them and Ill finish them off. In other words to kill this man or teenager. This is the WORK.
And what was there to gain (in what you describe as mind manipulation) for Gurdjeff ? The forth way is NOT a cult...I think that religion is a "cult" .
we cant be aware of our birth cos we not have all our faculties,death however we are aware is an inevitable truth.thats wot i mean by death being the only truth kown to us.
true,so work on one self,however small,should be 1st lead by selfish motives(to have any effect) & then lead by a desire to maintajn or better the reality one finds oneself living in. what do you think about the power of our selfish gene?
of course,thats the 1st step to realisation,our own selfish desire.with work on one self we can be a benefit...not a defiect in this world.well maybe,a little bit less of a defiet
The selfish gene operates in three dimensions. A person who only sees it as having one dimension struggles very hard to perfect it, but all that occurs is imbalance. When all three dimensions are addressed, the selfish gene self-regulates because it sees imbalance as self-destructive.
Power, like wisdom, is functional. It is ambivalent in nature, and can be judged only in terms of fitness for the category assigned to it. You might as well ask if a circle is a circle. If it's not a circle, it's not a circle. The only person who can be conned in such a case is the person who does not know what a circle is. Likewise, a person who doesn't know what wisdom or truth is as a category will not recognize it - or the lack of it.
but thats not so and so not so simple..there ought to be a greater truth to it and thats what we all ignore by our so-called seriousness towards reality, while we are not really serious to the CORE
so to find the real "I' and manifest by the real WILL is what we should be doing, whatever it might take...it true we should be realistic , but also important that we should use reality to reach that SELF which is higher than the existing reality (of wordly matters)...it is complex but if the aim is clear, not impossible.....if REAL reality was what we perceive to be in the day-to-day wordly matters, then we would have been absolute and not persished by such insignificant event called DEATH ..
it is so sad that even today most of us are still bounded within the notions of false joy and pride, not acknowledging that whatever we are doing is just a passer by and will perish soon with our bodies and mind gone sometimes.....
Part of the aspect of this lifestyle - time is perceived differently. Take the impatient idea of 'a watched kettle never boils' and you get the sense of the elongation of time through as a form of discomfort - when you are forced to pay attention. But for some, the mundane experience of life expands time in a subtly joyful way - and that appears a lot slower and more boring than it is when experiencing it.
this work will remain a mystery - groups were never ment for harassment but for understanding - just who you really are and where does your ego sit inside - if you have ever witnessed yourself in movement or been with a sincere pupil - one could only feel an honor to have touched the surface of this great teaching
as far as gurdjief groups giving people a hard time...is it me, or does it seem like whenever people band together in groups in support of any system they turn into nazis?
Gurdjieff was an original, one of the greatest spiritual masters of the 20th century. Best book to read that gives an impartial account of his teachings is P.D. Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous".
I don't know about Gurdjieff but I do know that I was in a gurdjieff group in the gurdjieff foundation and All I received was hassment from that place. Joining that place was like opening a door into hell. So, what good is this so called Work today? In my opinion its over. Yet there are work addicts that want to continue to pursue a work fantasy that takes place in their imagination and they are creating as Gurdjieff would say 'candidates for the lunatic Isalumn. '
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Gurdjieff gave great advice but a lot of it is scattered throughout the books his students wrote. Eliphas Levi also gave great advice and Gurdjieff fans will appreciate this free teaching I think:
scribd.com/doc/24362696 (it is similar to Gurdjieff's approach to attract or create what one wishes)
FIRSTconcentrate 1 week ago
GURDJIEEF WAS BORN IN ESSENDUKI.now if that part was part of armenia at that time it doesent matter.
quellhas 3 weeks ago
oh and he was born in stavropol essentuki from greek parents.
quellhas 1 month ago
@quellhas no, he was born in Armenia to an Armenian mother and Greek father. His culture was Armeno/Caucasian.
PeopleOfAr 3 weeks ago
blah blah blah.anything that is going to distract attention from self.you born with it they learn you to work with it you live with it and you re going to die with it for sure.now if the guy was jewish or not dont matter at all.
quellhas 1 month ago
He certainly likes his fags... Quite surprising for such a supposedly enlightened one. Most others preach material detachment
HipsterChipster 5 months ago
don corleone, i come to you on the day of your daughter's wedding to ask a favor...
Humjob 5 months ago
ho conosciuto il ''sistema'' 27 anni fa e mi ha cambiato totalmente la vita.non so ancora se in meglio o in peggio...
TheSaragozza 6 months ago
Love and respect to all
MUSICOBLISS 7 months ago
@Khachakirner atsasi krisa ebanaia. skaji spasiba chto mi pazvalaem vas transpartiravac vash xlam cherez larsi. skatina neblagarodnaia.
giooorgi 7 months ago
Real man
Panurgije 8 months ago
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Panurgije 8 months ago
Seminario Práctico de Cuarto Camino. Instituto para el Desarrollo Armónico La Teca.
Encuentro con Margarita Gurdjieff y Giovanni M. Quinti
Los días 22,23 y 24 de julio en Gazzada (Varese-Italia)
Para todas aquellas personas interesadas en profundizar y vivir las ideas de Cuarto Camino.
Más información en la web: gurdjieff.es
montseroldanmon 8 months ago 2
i'm thrilled and mesmerized by seeing moving images of mr. gurdjeiff. its beautifull.
bryangr53 8 months ago
what is the music in the very opening?
LordSluk 9 months ago
Btw, Gurjieff was born in Gyumri(Armenia), a town which experienced earthquake recently claiming lives of 60.000 ppl
BeautySavesWorld 9 months ago
@Khachakirner
It's really lame to see a Georgian claiming our Gurjieff lol....Anyone can check his biography and see he was from Gyumri, Armenia with Armenian and Greek parents, but Georgians are just Georgians ;-)))
BeautySavesWorld 9 months ago
@Khachakirner GURDJIEF IS GREAT MASTER FROM GEORGIA AND HE IS WHITE MAN !!! ARMENIANS HAVE NOT WHITE SKIN AND ARMENIANS ARE CAUCASIAN NIGERS !!!
tatobibiluri 9 months ago
@tatobibiluri
are u absolutely nuts? Gurjieff is from Armenia, Gyumri, his father is Armenian and mother is Greek, what a cheap way to again steal Armeian heritage and obviously Armeias are white Indo Europeans, u better care abt georgian origin lol
BeautySavesWorld 9 months ago
@tatobibiluri
In March 1918, Ouspensky separated from Gurdjieff. Four months later Gurdjieff's eldest sister and her family reached him in Essentuki as refugees, informing him that Turks had shot his father in Alexandropol on 15 May during the Armenian Genocide
BeautySavesWorld 9 months ago
@tatobibiluri Gurdjieff himself says he was called "The BLACK Greek", but that's besides the point. Who the fuck gives a shit whether he was Armenian, Georgian, or Martian?! What matters is what the man taught, you ignorant shits! Go somewhere else to bicker about this bullshit!
PinkertonStudsworth 6 months ago
@Khachakirner GURDJIEFF WAS BORN IN EAST GEORGIA !!! NOT IN ARMENIA !!!
tatobibiluri 9 months ago
@tatobibiluri
Gurdjieff was born to a Greek father and Armenian mother in Alexandropol (now Gyumri, Armenia), then part of the Russian Empire.[6] The Muslims around Georgia call the Georgian people gurdjis, which may account for the root of the name "Gurdjieff".
Ask any Muslim what Gurji means, it means JEW, Muslims calls Georgians "Jews",because u are desplaced Jews to Caucasus., semitic roots
BeautySavesWorld 9 months ago
@BeautySavesWorld Is he a Khazar who choose Judaism as Religion, or a Jew from Israel who come to east europe 700 years ago ? and yes Gurji means Jew.
pewploid 9 months ago
@pewploid
Gurjiev himself was from Armenia, with Armenian mother, wiki says his father was Greek...but the origin of father's last name ( which obviously goes far back in history) is a matter for speculation. Because Muslims call Georgia GURHIstan and Georgians Gurji, some Georgians connect it to themselves, which in its turn means Jew which also can be attributed to Jews, but that is only specualtion about his far back roots. Maybe his Greek ancestors just took.that last name
BeautySavesWorld 9 months ago
@BeautySavesWorld Thanx for your answer.
pewploid 9 months ago
@Khachakirner GURDJIEFF IS NOT ARMENIAN !!! HIS FATHER WAS GREEK (KURJIDI) AND HIS MOTHER WAS GEORGIAN (KARTVELISHVILI) !!!
tatobibiluri 9 months ago
So Rasputin had his own cult? Fascinating
ZXSpectrumFanboy 10 months ago
@hadlow92 I'm really surprised since I thought being "enlightened" entails being in the best possible state of mind without relying on anything external to enhance your mood. Why would an enlightened person smoke? Smoke is to relief stress. Is that something someone like Gurdjieff needs?
DrInfidel 10 months ago
There is something about this man...aura...fascination...like ancient pyramids...Atlantis maybe...seems to me that he was a real occult teacher. Look those people around him, then look him again...meditate...occult...magician...and suddenly you are There, you understand. Thanks for post.
lazarono 11 months ago
Was he smoking in this video??
DrInfidel 11 months ago
Well...
If it really is leding you to now-here... that´s great!!
At this present moment you are not lost, actually. In fact, there is not even an "I" to be lost... :)
You can only be lost if you are trying to get somewhere...
The mind needs to understanding, but... there is not real to be understood. You can only understand the past, something dead...
It´s something very simple, but the mind refuses exactly because... it´s simple!!!
It´s funny, isn´t it? Think about it...
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devarsbr 11 months ago
@devarsbr I agree.
pewploid 9 months ago
@sterpinator
"that pulls me back to his ideas time and time again..."
Drop it! There are no good ideas, at all, even from Gurdjief.
Thre is no work to do. Just drop all ideas, even the idea "I have to drop all ideas"...
:)
Love
Deva
devarsbr 11 months ago
the only ''saint'' russia had
buddhafollower 1 year ago
@buddhafollower he was NO saint, NO REAL saint would ever make a method denying christ complety...He was satans tool....
Kaz10005 1 year ago
Remember yourself and if you think , you know something; you have't learned anything.
laberintodelasoledad 1 year ago
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms...
Isaiah 14:16
GhostofCliffGullett 1 year ago
I'm exploring the cosmology of universal fields, and how to 'astra~genetically' crealate bodies from this spectrum of materialities. I display my findings on my sight consciousness. this is where the 'higher being bodies' come from, in my naive opinion
peace of Pi,
Dav*d
optimysticaluniverse 1 year ago
I WAS DEEP INTO COMPARATIVE PHILOSOPHY IN THE LATE SIXTIES AND EARLY SEVENTIES, HE WAS ONE OF THE PLAYERS THAT MADE SOME MAJOR CONTRIBUTIONS IN THIS FIELD, I REMEMBER SOME GREAT STORIES ABOUT HIM, TWO THAT COME TO MIND ARE THAT HE HAD A LOT OF AUTO ACCIDENTS, AND THE OTHER WAS THAT HE HAD A LOT OF WOMEN, SUPPOSEDLY HE WOULDN'T HAVE SEX WITH THE WOMEN UNLESS THEY WOULD GET PREGNANT BY THEM, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE STORIES WERE TRUE OR NOT,ALSO HE BROUGHT DIGITAL ANALYSIS INTO PHILOSOPHY MORE...
whothehellgivesadamn 1 year ago
You should think of his three centres as a simplified version of the chakras for the west
EdMirza 1 year ago
Born in Armenia to Greek father and Armenian mother...
BeautySavesWorld 1 year ago
Little snippet of his early life as seen with 'Meetings with Remarkable Men'
I do wish it had gone on, yet whey should it?
shuffleslunuffle 1 year ago
@sterpinator Yes they do!that was probably a reason why I stopped Yoga/when I realised that +asked my teacher (whats the point of evolving since u ll be more attacked +suffer more)gave me this precise answer:saints suffered too/ but they also posessed power to deal with it"I wasnt ok with the idea
delagrazia 1 year ago
@sterpinator u know what?....i believe this just happens with all great teachers/the truth has been told all over again +ag through time but is personal+mind cant perceive it/adopt it.evolution is personal+hard
delagrazia 1 year ago
And the guy is sucking on a cig to get that nicotine buzz, how enlightening, lol
dmimcg 1 year ago
@sterpinator have you ever tried to find a group to work with? There are many all over the world... it 's truly worth it... where are you at? ....
You must be careful though... there are lots of "groups" that're not working under the institute itself...
ilfiorelino 1 year ago
@sterpinator have you ever tried to find a group to work with? There are many all over the world... it 's truly worth it... where are you at?
ilfiorelino 1 year ago
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I love him who loves work
gypsygirl4488 1 year ago
@sterpinator A man can only attain knowledge with the help of those who possess it. This must be understood from the very beginning. One must learn from him who knows"
His words from Ouspenskys "In Search of the Miraculous". The key before incorporating is understanding..
VoiceofJustic3 1 year ago
Then how did the first man learn.
BaalZobel 1 year ago
To people asking questions here: the evidence is in the doing. I spent years in a G group. Talking is useless. People use that as an excuse not to work on themselves. Try to do the The Work. There are various techniques given. Most groups talk endlessly about theoretical mysticism and thus accomplish nothing but having a social occasion and jabbering on and on. If you work on yourself and achieve nothing, then just drop it. Be brutally honest with yourself. Otherwise, it's a waste of time.
Ardalla555 1 year ago 30
@Ardalla555 if you talk about it works for me.
papasmurfXXX 1 year ago
@Ardalla555
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Gurdjieff was a prankster and you are following his game. I grew up on a Gurdjieff compound in Aurora Oregon and it was for weak minded people. His work was nothing more than a joke and you people took it all in, the joke is on you, the fools of modern society.
josh7jennie 1 year ago
@Ardalla555 I find your comment to be outmost honest and appropriate. Since I'm a new comer to this, what materials, techniques, literature, and/or groups would you recommend a beginner so that he/she can evolve spiritually? I live in San Diego, CA. Thank you for your time. Best regards.
BlackFabbro 11 months ago
@Ardalla555 Talking is useless... If you are asleep. Gurdjieff himself said that a man alone cannot accomplish anything. I had the opportunity of meeting people who had worked with G. at the Gurdjieff Foundation in NYC. Their level of UNDERSTANDING of the teachings of G. is remarkable. Also, there is an oral transmission, experiments and exercises that are not on the books, music, etc. The groups are not to talk but to work together and give support to each other.
smr144 11 months ago
@Ardalla555 Great point
MUSICOBLISS 7 months ago
@Ardalla555 Not lying to yourself is incredibly difficult. Even when you think you're doing well, usually you're not. All self-indulgence is hard to overcome, as it's hard to see that you ARE lying to yourself. That's part of the problem. Jeanne De Salzman wrote a good essay about that.
BADALEX1 4 months ago
@Ardalla555 I agree, its just empty chatter with no real results
bellhoey 1 month ago
@Ardalla555 that is the first decent comment about self that i heard in the net guy.
quellhas 1 month ago
@Ardalla555 Hi, so I read you spend several years in a Gurdjieff group. Can I perhaps ask you some questions about these teachings?? I have some questions, which are quite important to me and only people can give an answer who actually know more about these teachings. Can I send you a mail or private message, for the space here is to small for my questions... Thanks!!
Kapojos 2 weeks ago
In other words Gurdjieff was not an old fashioned gypsy black magician that trained a bunch of pupils to carry on an evil agenda. A lot of people are calling this cult stuff just old fashioned witch craft dressed up as a philosophical teaching. Yet there are videos of Gurdjieff going to a church that seemed to be made for the worship of gargoiles and demons. He himself said this is a way against God. Therefore why call it the work or the fourth way, lets call this thing the way against God.
Boster166 1 year ago
@Boster166 you re not making sense man. read ouspenky's book ''in search of the miraculous'', he was one of G's first students and explains things quite well
onceuponthecross 1 year ago
@onceuponthecross I'm making a lot of sense try reading betwen the lines. If you are in a real gurdjieff group you'll find out that I'm right soon enough.
Boster166 1 year ago
I've read quite a bit about Gurfjieff and The Fourth Way and find it utter fascinating.
There is one rather troubling element (perhaps deliberately intended so) that I would appreciate some insight on:
Gurdjieff stated that many people were actually "already dead" in essence. Was this intended as a metaphor in any way or was he speaking entirely literally?
If so, how would one know whether one was indeed already dead?
aureliosantana08 1 year ago
@aureliosantana08 When G said that people were already dead, he meant that they have no possibility of awakening and being successful in The Work). This occurs because of eternal recurrence, meaning that, with each birth/death cycle, unless a person gains in consciousness, he or she loses opportunities for development. Eventually, all opportunities are lost. He mentioned certain famous people (Napoleon?) who are already dead and have the same life over and over. More could be said but ...
Ardalla555 1 year ago
@aureliosantana08 could that be similar to gnostic knowledge/Judas gospel saying some people have +others dont have souls?(others said that too)this meaning some ppl are definitely doomed!
delagrazia 1 year ago
@delagrazia I thought the whole idea was that human beings can create a higher bodies for themselves by walking a certain path through life. That's what I understood from reading Gurdjieff. The tipitaka (Pali canon of Buddhist literature) agrees too.
Rufusdos 1 year ago
@apathyinmortalform Wonder where you got that info? I've read Gurdjieff and never
saw any thing like it (that he said Jesus was #8 and Christians better than muslims)
I have found his ideas to be quite insightful and useful.
mietinmiksin22 1 year ago
Stripinator: Gurdjieff was a tight slap on all the bogus religions which has just became a moral dictum, a dead ritual. He's an enlightened soul with a difference, he'll live in a style no master had lived before, he smoked, he traded the carpets from one place to another, he did several things which no religious man could think of. That's why he's a rare phenomenon
ajayhooda 1 year ago
@ajayhooda all master + founders of most religions(=masters)challenged the status qvo of their times
delagrazia 1 year ago
His whole approach was based on one idea, Self remembering, which is one of the most powerful method of knowing thyself. He's a great master, a rare phenomena, but was not as charismatic as buddha or osho... buddha and osho couldn't become friend.... but he was of a great help in a small group.. that's being a true friend. Buddha before death declared that he'll appear again by the name of Maitreya (meaning a friend)..
"While Tasting, dancing, walking, be aware you are and enter the everlasting"
ajayhooda 1 year ago
@sterpinator absolutely. good luck!
KiffBell 1 year ago
@sterpinator More likely, he wasn't perfect. In fact, he identified himself w/ Ashiata Shamash -- a genius, yet a failure; Gurdjieff respected all Teachers (The Number 7's, such as Buddha) -- yet Gurdjieff always said Jesus was a Number 8.
Also, G. once, in a room full of dervishes and Sufis, came right out and said that the Christian religion was better than theirs!
apathyinmortalform 1 year ago
@apathyinmortalform who was no 1?(+2)
delagrazia 1 year ago
Served calf eye-balls from the sizzling skull to his guests. Scooped the cooked brains for himself.
modelleg 1 year ago
que onda con tus imajenas jajaja son de abuelo de la epoca del caldo pinche video curas
Moysix14 1 year ago
@Moysix14 Quizas en tu vida si eres inteligente? entenderas un poco de Gurdjieff
laberintodelasoledad 1 year ago
I GURDJIEFF!
GustaveRidley 1 year ago
I learnt from his teaching how to observe myself.
To not identify with myself. And now, for sure, I can start to remember myself.
llcomparin 1 year ago
@llcomparin self-remembering requires self-observation & results in not identifying with negative aspects of the self and others. I could be wrong, yet it seems external consideration is love for others and internal consideration fuels hatred and anger.
for some reason the external idea, the idea of loving others, is harmonious.
apathyinmortalform 1 year ago
I dont know if there was ever a time when children were brought up naturally,i.e.,their needs met,in a natural enviroment by natural people in a people- and child-centred world.
I think the the modern world trashes people,and trashes people who stand by,and produces people who are damaged,one way or the other,to greater or lesser degrees.
I dont think reality can be achieved without the damage being addressed.
crushedz 1 year ago
non è sufficiente leggere un libro,perchè avvenga l'alchimia,infatti tutti leggono i lbri
ma rimangono addormentati,la cosa piu importante è l'osservatore di voi stessi,un centro che osserva unìaltro centro,dove vi trovate quando leggete in quale centro,intellettuale o istintivo o emiozionale se non dividete non conoscerete mai la macchina,e se la macchina non è conosciuta si fa solo un gran confusione.saluti dal vs maestro gurdijeff
fedelemario 1 year ago
sterpinator.....I do not know where you are but find a 'Group'. There is one near you, also Gurdjieff liked to smoke.
RobinAre3 1 year ago
@sterpinator sorry I meant true hallucinations .
justaman6972 1 year ago
@sterpinator If I may offer some insight? Please see the YT series of Terrence Mckenna's -Ture Hallucinations,and YT's Science of Miracles by Gregg Braden. In addition to these I would recommend investigating the work of Edgar cayce,Dr Melvn Morse,Dr Raymond Moody, See the YT vid called "Hemi-Sync # 4 by the Monreo Institute. The Book Penetration by Govt. Remote Viewer Ingo Swann.
justaman6972 1 year ago
on 1:06 "Concerto por aranjues" :-)...bbc
bbcenta 1 year ago
@sterpinator
opensecret51 1 year ago
Gurdjieff was the greatest man in last 1,000 years or more. It is a great tragedy that his work was not completed as he intended. It is possible to do his practices and achieve Concious awarness. I did. But it takes immense effort and percerverance and absoluted commitmant, but it can be done.
Kristopful 1 year ago
@sterpinator Try reading Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous", then "Transcripts of Gurdjieff's Meetings 1941-1946". " Beelzebub" requires a certain attention. These books may help.
brazos7 1 year ago
@sterpinator Gurdjieff was... A real man.
MrMdC94 1 year ago
@sterpinator The teachings bear no fruit because they are incomplete, look to the sage, Samael Aun Weor, for the complete truth.
JonathanScherr 1 year ago
@JonathanScherr I have to know. What is truth?
justaman6972 1 year ago
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JonathanScherr 1 year ago
@justaman6972
Truth is not only what is real, it is not only reality; but truth is also the ultimate reality, the best possible state of existence. Evolution is the greatest expression of existence. When I say I seek truth, I seek to become all I can be, to experience the best of the universe. I am a little ignorant child in these matters, I know nothing about truth, so make what you will of my words. Take care sir.
JonathanScherr 1 year ago
@JonathanScherr so truth is relative then and not absolute,if it is an experience as you have said? Truth can be said to be nothing more that one's own interpretations of said experience.
justaman6972 1 year ago
@justaman6972
Truth is not relative, but rather, in degrees. Each person experiences truth on a different level. We ordinary people experience one level, very subjective, a buddhist monk would experience another level, less subjective; a mystic would experience yet a higher level, less subjective yet, and so forth. Subjectivity is not only personal interpretation, but personal limitation. No, truth is not relative, we are.
JonathanScherr 1 year ago
@JonathanScherr i agree on some points BUT there is no such thing as ''ordinary people'',buddhist monks are no different from us,the difference is mastering and discipline,thats the only difference but we to could experiance the same if we put effort into it just as these mystics have,and all mystics will tell you that u are just as capable as them
jamiacanprincess 1 year ago
@JonathanScherr You're right. It is 'reality' that would be relative.
MrLeagueOJustice 1 year ago
@JonathanScherr I agree
delagrazia 1 year ago
has anyone heard of samael aun weor he talks about alot of stuff gurdjieff mentions
cheesyrichardhead 1 year ago
no dejo de creer que fué un timador pero... de que gran categoría.
juanlopezexposito 1 year ago
what is the song at 1:06??
sefmm 1 year ago
@sefmm originally from Miles Davis - Concierto De Aranjuez ,Sketches of Spain album
m4rtin0m1d1 1 year ago
Where did you get this clip of Gurdjieff?
ORDENILLUMINATI 2 years ago
where can I get the last remembrance of a magician?
KingAcosta28 2 years ago
I agree with you Boster166, Gurdjieff was a smoker and alocoholic, he enjoyed woemn some his own pupils and he had a car accident, got shot, lost his Brother, and his wife to cancer, His entire family was stranded during the second world war including his mother and with all his amazing powers of telepathy and whatever he had no clue. Maybe we're making a saint out of a fellow man.
cheapcheap18 2 years ago
I have been in the work for over 20 years and I haven't become a man number 7 or four or conscious, I had a stroke after I quit smoking and got hit by a car while crossing the street a month after my stroke. When people join the work they think they are safe from normal dangers, not even Gurdjieff was safe.
Boster166 2 years ago
For annyone that wishes to know and understand more on the matter read this book
The Occult
Made by colin wilson or just pm me !!
legreckencriss 2 years ago
to but it simply tyhe 3 ways were that is of monk , that is of yogi and that is of worshipper of religious man.gurjev thought that they all drive away man from his goal which is-harmony with life so he inventid 4 way, the way being attentive in middle of life.
supralee 2 years ago
Thank you for this!
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Xiaolian7 2 years ago
Watching this has brought me great stillness . . .
memphisdarkwolf 2 years ago
Essentially what he is describing is the multidimensional component of human existence, but the downfall is that the only way to describe it is in one-dimensional ways - through language.
The challenge is precisely to overcome the imbalance of the three centers, so that instead of living one-dimensionally, you live on two or three axis simultaneously. Once you live in three dimensions, you are integrated.
Seek out masters - not who want to master you, but those who have mastered the tradition.
jag216 2 years ago
What do you find the essence of G's work? He talks about us being in a prison, doesn't he. It seems to me that G is saying that we are manufactured being, enslaved by the chains of conditioning created by society, by institutionalised religion, by society's institutions generally,by language. G then says that we have a false picture of reality, that the way we see the world with our cognitive linguistic minds does not correspond to the way we actually experience reality. That's my take on G.
archdeaconj 2 years ago
When one finds the Gurdjieff work. Thinking it is the way to learn how to Do. After some time in the work he begins to decay from within. His life becomes worst. The work turns into slavery. He finds that the TEACHERS are out to remove all his good qualities and place them in their own children and family members. Then the teachers try to do what Gurdjieff once told Frank Loyd Wright. You start them and Ill finish them off. In other words to kill this man or teenager. This is the WORK.
cheapcheap18 2 years ago
And what was there to gain (in what you describe as mind manipulation) for Gurdjeff ? The forth way is NOT a cult...I think that religion is a "cult" .
;-)
zrnbrnja69 2 years ago
Where did you read anything about mind manipulation in the above comment?
cheapcheap18 2 years ago
Your search now is for a teacher and a school.
roberthoogenboom 2 years ago
cool hat
asarapi 2 years ago
What a honour it would have been to have known this man
miketarrant 2 years ago
Clever answer! You could have gotten angry, which would have been a mechanical reaction.
JackJamesElias 2 years ago
He really should have worked on that awful cigarette habit. I suppose that would have taken a lot of will power.
imjustpassinthru 2 years ago
death is the only real truth known to humankind, fact.
did g ever marry?
galleybox 2 years ago
Birth.
TallCatsMakeGoodHats 2 years ago
we cant be aware of our birth cos we not have all our faculties,death however we are aware is an inevitable truth.thats wot i mean by death being the only truth kown to us.
galleybox 2 years ago
Birth is a fact. Which leads to death.
TallCatsMakeGoodHats 2 years ago 2
true,so work on one self,however small,should be 1st lead by selfish motives(to have any effect) & then lead by a desire to maintajn or better the reality one finds oneself living in. what do you think about the power of our selfish gene?
galleybox 2 years ago
My belief is all humans are selfish. Doing things for their own interest.
TallCatsMakeGoodHats 2 years ago
I can't imagine mankind caring for another without their own will and interest.
TallCatsMakeGoodHats 2 years ago
of course,thats the 1st step to realisation,our own selfish desire.with work on one self we can be a benefit...not a defiect in this world.well maybe,a little bit less of a defiet
galleybox 2 years ago
He promised me nothing.
TallCatsMakeGoodHats 2 years ago
@TallCatsMakeGoodHats
Maybe if you stop imagining that it can't happen, you'll realize that the facility is already there in you.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
The selfish gene operates in three dimensions. A person who only sees it as having one dimension struggles very hard to perfect it, but all that occurs is imbalance. When all three dimensions are addressed, the selfish gene self-regulates because it sees imbalance as self-destructive.
jag216 2 years ago
Yes he did
elliottmoi 2 years ago
hi,is that an answer to did g marry?
galleybox 2 years ago
Yes, he did marry Julia in 1912, she died in 1926
elliottmoi 2 years ago
The music is Concierto De Arnajuez by Joaquin Rodrigo
masterm1111 2 years ago
Are these men, these philosophers with great followings, are they great or are they con men? Power of persuasion or truth?
kkbedwards 2 years ago
There's only one way to answer that.
clarinetato 2 years ago
Power, like wisdom, is functional. It is ambivalent in nature, and can be judged only in terms of fitness for the category assigned to it. You might as well ask if a circle is a circle. If it's not a circle, it's not a circle. The only person who can be conned in such a case is the person who does not know what a circle is. Likewise, a person who doesn't know what wisdom or truth is as a category will not recognize it - or the lack of it.
jag216 2 years ago 2
what is this song??
Hacker343 2 years ago
Exalted.
nondor13 2 years ago
but thats not so and so not so simple..there ought to be a greater truth to it and thats what we all ignore by our so-called seriousness towards reality, while we are not really serious to the CORE
anabob29 2 years ago
so to find the real "I' and manifest by the real WILL is what we should be doing, whatever it might take...it true we should be realistic , but also important that we should use reality to reach that SELF which is higher than the existing reality (of wordly matters)...it is complex but if the aim is clear, not impossible.....if REAL reality was what we perceive to be in the day-to-day wordly matters, then we would have been absolute and not persished by such insignificant event called DEATH ..
anabob29 2 years ago
I would not agree with his whole philosophy, even the one involving man being machines. Hard to believe he is no more then a grain the sand.
TallCatsMakeGoodHats 2 years ago
it is so sad that even today most of us are still bounded within the notions of false joy and pride, not acknowledging that whatever we are doing is just a passer by and will perish soon with our bodies and mind gone sometimes.....
anabob29 2 years ago
The energy seems so joyless and unnatural - everyone around Gurdjieff seems uptight and nervous. Still some of Gurdjieff's philosophy has merit.
beaubluenyc 2 years ago
Part of the aspect of this lifestyle - time is perceived differently. Take the impatient idea of 'a watched kettle never boils' and you get the sense of the elongation of time through as a form of discomfort - when you are forced to pay attention. But for some, the mundane experience of life expands time in a subtly joyful way - and that appears a lot slower and more boring than it is when experiencing it.
jag216 2 years ago
G's notion of time seems similar to Heidegger's 'lived time'.
archdeaconj 2 years ago
thank you for this video
SpockSing 2 years ago
nonononono c'è un errore, lui sale e scende dalla macchina...Dove cazzo lo vedete il tributo? Stop, please! what fucking tribute is this?!?
scottmarlei 2 years ago
Gurdjieff frogio.
edograndinetti 2 years ago
this work will remain a mystery - groups were never ment for harassment but for understanding - just who you really are and where does your ego sit inside - if you have ever witnessed yourself in movement or been with a sincere pupil - one could only feel an honor to have touched the surface of this great teaching
a video could never reflect that
rocketdesign1 2 years ago
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abe123ify 2 years ago
as far as gurdjief groups giving people a hard time...is it me, or does it seem like whenever people band together in groups in support of any system they turn into nazis?
theloniouscastaneda 2 years ago
Gurdjieff was an original, one of the greatest spiritual masters of the 20th century. Best book to read that gives an impartial account of his teachings is P.D. Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous".
knight337 2 years ago 2
I have received harassment from Gurdjieff groups too.
weishauptogram 2 years ago
I don't know about Gurdjieff but I do know that I was in a gurdjieff group in the gurdjieff foundation and All I received was hassment from that place. Joining that place was like opening a door into hell. So, what good is this so called Work today? In my opinion its over. Yet there are work addicts that want to continue to pursue a work fantasy that takes place in their imagination and they are creating as Gurdjieff would say 'candidates for the lunatic Isalumn. '
contain591 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about?
purplehazygurl 2 years ago
Too exciting for me. I think I'll go outside and watch the grass grow.
geezzerboy 2 years ago
lol :)
sacredshakti 2 years ago
What is the music behind this, it's beautiful.
omggarybuseyRULES 2 years ago
Concert de Aranjuez-tempo 2
Oramireally 2 years ago
Mecanical or no mecanical bring out the
truth is a delicade work that only can be achived by man like G.
laberintodelasoledad 2 years ago
Let us not look at the bottle itself, lets rather taste the wine in it.
Oramireally 3 years ago
yes wisdom.
the bottle must be appreciated as well, otherwise we would not have a container to hold the wine :)
sacredshakti 2 years ago
He really should have done more work on himself and gotten rid of that awful nicotine habit. Looks mechanical.
imjustpassinthru 3 years ago
exactly it LOOKS mechanical.........
sundoshum 3 years ago
You wouldn't know what work on yourself means even if it hit you over the head like a hammer
nayma11 2 years ago
yea, like a sledgehammer!
CT2507 2 years ago