Shia's don't hate anyone. we have better divine souls to appraise then waste our energy on hatred. shias are always defending there beliefs not accusing other school of thoughts of theirs.
Im a sunni by birth...but the caller seemed to have more nationalistic aims than anything else........ and yes the shaykh of Azhar is more knowledgable than the caller...
SEE THIS IS THE KIND OF SHIA, U SUNNIS NEED TO SEE AS AN EXAMPLE. DONT PUT ALL OF US IN THE SAME BASKET AS THE ONES WHO ARE TRULY MISGUIDED LIKE THE ONES WHO FOLLOW ALI
No No No, so called shi muslims are only giving threats to israel but until today how many attacks have they made compared to sadam hussains regrime??????
forget sunnis and shias what about the rest of humanity??are they dogs and cats??everyone will die and then.then the glorious allah will JUDGE..whoever sins and wrongs his soul will be accountable and will pay.we pray for allahs mercy but if everyone is so sure in their faith then shouldent they be able to say allhumdulilah and pray for the one they think is wrong???whoever they may be? cummon people.think! think! use the intelect that allah has given us.allah guide us all. ameen
If you hate & love in the pleasure of Allah(swt), based on evidence not emotion only, then that is deen and there is no compromise. All hate and love should be for the pleasure of Allah(swt). If the Shia hate someting or someone for personal reasons then compromise is a personal matter of choice. Love of the companions is not wajib has nothing to do with imaan, but love of Ahlulbayt (as) is wajib ( Quran 42:23). Ask the Shia why they do not like some, is it personal or based on evidence.
@makesUquestion thank u for great teaching and inlight pepole, some how and any how we have to birng truth out,and those who belive in truth they will try to find out truth and follow the right things.
Wait wait wait, how come Sunnis and Shiites can be brothers when Sunnis really love Omar, Aisha, and Abu Bakar. While Shiites really hate Omar, Aisha, and Abu Bakar.
@AnasAlex10 Hi, no one is responsible for anothers sins, so to blame Shias for the mistakes of say their alims or Sunni's for the mistakes of some companions is not fair. Secondly I may not like the company my brother keeps but do I hate my brother? Thirdly, a convert/reverts parents may hate the prophet (s) yet still the revert is ordered to love them for their being his parent. Imam Ali(as) advised: that if he is not your brother in faith he is your brother in humanity' Letter 53 Nahjulbalagha
@makesUquestion Yes many of Shiias may look brothers to the Sunnis from the outside, but from the behind they bash very respected figures according to Sunnis like Omar, Aisha, ..etc. I'm not defending anyone here. I'm just speaking reality, and until Shiias stop hating those specific figures, there will never be brotherhood between these two sects. Especially the extreme Sunnis and Shiias. The only way is to let lose some old stories, stop hating classical figuers, and live on 2011.
@AnasAlex10 Sunni's our are brothers in faith and part of us not just humanity. The Al Azhar formula of accepting Shia's as the fifth school of Islam is the right way as it allows all to express their faith and gives all a right of reply/explanation (a fundemental of justice) Sunni's and Shias live side by side in many areas of the world and there is no problem.
@AnasAlex10 Because in the end both sunnis and shia's believe in Prophet muhammed(pbuh) as the last prophet and the quran and this is what really count's. So we are brother's.
@iSeekThe1Truth I don't see Sunnis and Shiias brothers UNTIL both of them forget the past and unite. And eliminate the extremists from both sides and don't follow them. I respect Shia stuff have like self beating and etc, but don't agree. Doing that just brings up history and again the hate occurs. Lets live the modern life, the modern world, with a modern mind.
Maybe all this sounds like shit, but that's the "truth", Muslims are in shit now because of this Shia and Sunni stupid conflict.
@AnasAlex10 It's true that the conflict is causing allot of disunity, people are making a big deal out of it and are spliting muslims. I also agree on eliminating extremists. But we cannot forget our past, because our past is what make's us who we are and our history, of how we became who we are. But in the end we should not have any hate towards the other sect's , but the opposite, we should unite as one and act like how the prophet would want us to act like brothers.
@AnasAlex10 History is a part of who we are but it's true sometime's we bring up history so much but don't realize that it will have a negative impact on the modern, live, world and mind . Shia+Sunni= 1. It's true we should put aside our differences for the bigger cause of unity otherwise the Muslim's will start conflict's and wars between ourselves and this is NOT what the prophet(pbuh) taught us. We all claim to love and follow the prophet and show we should show it with our action's!
"But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29"Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30"Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.
31"Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33"If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
34"If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount. 35"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Masha Allah nice reply from the Sheikh, i live in the emirates and unfortunately there is alot of ignorance towards the Shiite school of thought due to censorship and dictatorship mainly in the Gulf too.
narrated by Ali(ra) which states that the Prophet made muta'a haram on the day of Khaiber (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). The author states that Ali lied for the purposes of safety (taqiya). In Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5, there is a declaration by Ali that muta'a is haram. Again they accuse Ali(ra) of lying for safety reasons (taqiya).
@artistdigital Salaam brother, but what does it have to do with the topic at hand? What is your motive? Secondly, was Muta halal before the day of Khaibar? Did the prophet (s) and Allah (SWT) allow muta before Khabar , do you believe that? Thirdly can not comment on your specific reference, but generally none of our hadith booka are Sahih, they are man made and will have errors. Generally speaking the errors are much less than Sunni books but unlike them they are not called Sahih.
@makesUquestion Imam Ja'far moreover said that Muta is Zina (fornication/adultery) in al Bidayat Al Mujtahid.
Wsalam brother! My motive is to educate people about what I have learned, and to educate people about which I believe is wrong. Yes, it was allowed Tafsir 4:24 has the answer, and there are many strong narratives on its ban. It has a context attached to it. The flesh of donkey was also halal before khaibar! :)
Muta was prevalent in youmal Jahilya, just as "alcohol". Gradually banned!
@artistdigital well brother not challenging what you say as do not want to get into a muta discussion, but my point is there are videos of scholars discussing muta your talking baseball on a cricket forum. So I was going to delete your post as nothing to do with Shia's being Kafir, but thought I better ask you first in case there was a connection. Here are 2 videos where you can post your comments type in search Shiah issuesssss or Shia Muta - Mutta - Temporary Marriage - shia view (part 2 of 2)
@makesUquestion I'm want to people to do research and know, and then discuss it with their scholars! It should reach, as many people as possible.
For Shias being Kafir, I don't believe. Those Shias are Kafir who are the rejector of Daleel e Qataee! ie rejectors of the basics, eg If someone says that the Qur'an isn't authentic or that it has been fabricated then he/she is Kafir, for sure!
@artistdigital I welcome your desire to educate the masses but on right forum. However on this topic just as curiosity what do you say about the hadiths of say Ibn Abbas on the fact that Muta was allowed by the holy prophet(s) and was only forbidden by Umar in his time in office arethe false.
Also what is your opinion about Misyar which is widely practiced amongst our Sunnah bothers and is considered halal. Type 'Misyar arab news' in search engine. Muta is a last resort and is halal in Quran.
@makesUquestion :)) Umar(ra) forbade it as a leader of state. He(ra) enforced it, as a law. It was when a lady came to him and complained that she has children and her husband does Muta all the time. We have various narratives that the Sahaba(ra) used to educate people about Muta! Each and every Sahabi wasn't always present with the Prophet(saw), thats why we have so many narratives and narrators! :) The most strongest hadith against Muta is of Ali(ra). Shia sources confirms it!
@makesUquestion Muta was allowed when it when the Sahaba were away from their families, at war. As, Muta was prevalent before Islam, as well, so sudden ban could have made some more sinners. It was halfheartedly allowed, to inject it into their minds that its bad, and it was gradually banned, just as "Alcohol". At first nearing the prayers were banned, and later it was completely banned!
If Misyar has some anti-social affects then it may be banned, however, its much more closer to the ...
@makesUquestion ...to the genuine concept of Muta. I believe it should be researched, and if their is something against it, it should be banned, as well!
If you want to research the real concept of Muta in Shia mainstream, then look for it in Iran. They have a dept promoting it, and prostitution is legalized there in the name of Muta. This had never been the theme of Muta, even when it was allowed!
@artistdigital what about misyar is that not prostitution by your thinking read the Arab news article. Muta is a last resort for people who are desperate as this hadith refers to sahih muslim english type 'sahih muslim 3243' about the companions that were desperate Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then
@makesUquestion I'm not well versed with Sahih Muslim, however, the first part says "Forbade", and later says "granted". It further strengthens my point that it was "halfheartedly allowed".
Yes, I think the same about Misyar, but there should be something against it. Help me find it, and I would support it! I promise!
@artistdigital th ey made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar.
also type 'sahih muslim 3249' Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Um
@artistdigital until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith. this is also stated in Sahih Bukhari Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:
"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested." Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic, v2, p375, v6, p34. Thannks for discussion.
I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'a with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah-al-Mut'a). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and women are scarce." On that, Ibn 'Abbas said, "Yes."
Now, what is against it?? It comes in the next post:
@artistdigital He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and 'Abdullah then recited this verse: 'Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers" (al-Qur'an, v. 87). Muta has abuse just like Arabs abuse the fourth wife they marry 3 original and then change the 4th in some case monthly thats a different issue.
@makesUquestion Look, the narration of Hz Ali(ra) is rock solid! Its credible, authentic in ahle Sunnah supported by many other authentic hadith from ahle sunnah, as well as from authentic sources of the Shias. Now, the Shias claim that it was "Taqiyyah", but I think if there were any takiyyah in it, it would have been on the opposite side, because many people would have badly wanted it, furthermore, Taqiyyah from whom?
@artistdigital however its not a fundamental issue. Most Shias do not do Muta especially in non-middle eastern countries. The fundemental issue if you are researching the Sunni Shia issue is does Allah (swt) appoint the chaliph/imam or representative of God after the prophet (s) (Shia view) or do a select group of men who are prone to mistakes (Sunnah view) again that is for another forum, rest (muta, chest beating )are just to confuse this is what needs to be established. And then who was
@makesUquestion Imam Abi-Abdullah narrated: Do not do muta'a with a believer woman..because you will humiliate her by doing that. (shiya sources: Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 253, rewaya 14:21; Istibsaar: vol. 3, pg. 143, rewaya 4:93).
Please quote from Sahih Bukhari! There is material that can support your view in Sahih Bukhari!
At the time of Abu Bakar Siddique(ra), there were enough problems. The empire was weak. There were Armies at gates, and turmoil from within. It was when Umar(ra) ...
@artistdigital have quoted from Sahih Bulhari, but Sahih Muslim is also valid according to all the four madhabs of Sunnah. May Allah(SWT) make us both of the sincere so we can find the truth and then accept it. Need to look at the news to catch up with Egypt update, remember the Egyption people in your prayers. Jazak Allah
@makesUquestion A narration attributed to Sabrah ibn Ma'bad reports:“ I was with my cousin when we passed by a woman who liked my youth and a robe which my companion had. So she offered temporary marriage with the robe as the dowry. I married her and spent the night with her. In the next morning, I went to the mosque and heard the Messenger of Allah saying: 'O people, I had permitted you temporary marriage before, whoever of you has any part in ...
@makesUquestion ..became amir ul Momin, when the Muslim empire strengthened, and the concept of welfare state was introduced to the world. It was then when the Muslims were free enough to coupe up with the internal problems. Like I said, the most strongest narration is that of Ali(ra).
@artistdigital who was most worth to succeed based on things like knowledge, bravery, piety etc. The hadith for muta if you type in google 'sahih muslim 3248' is
3248 Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifeti
@makesUquestion I'm not cutting and pasting, these are my own words, and the result of my research! I have personally confirmed it, and I leave it on you check and confirm it for yourself! Its not that I'm trying to deceive you or sending it to you in person! Its open brother!
@kpacf If that is the Way Islam is to be then!!! Abu Bakr (R.A) & Umer (R.A) r with the One who wanted them & the Prophet wanted them. Khilafat is not anyones` Debate ground. You cannot give Ahl e BAYT their true glory. Cut your throats in a WAR like them (Not even your dust could match the Dust off their Horses` tiniest mistake) then we will call it Done. Ahlu s Sunnah r Victors in every domain of Religion.
Shia's don't hate anyone. we have better divine souls to appraise then waste our energy on hatred. shias are always defending there beliefs not accusing other school of thoughts of theirs.
tiadeals 6 months ago 12
Im a sunni by birth...but the caller seemed to have more nationalistic aims than anything else........ and yes the shaykh of Azhar is more knowledgable than the caller...
MoeRocco75 6 months ago 5
Want a answer this is wat make me proud to be shia... The true follower of Allah n Prophet Mohammed.. SALWATH.
MrKumail123 6 months ago 10
cool down my dear 'angry-sunni-brother'... do more fasting to curb your hatred inshallah...
Mukminmelayu 7 months ago 4
ali was the true caliph according to hadiths
jigglyfidda125 7 months ago 9
Alhamdulilah how beautiful the religion of Islam is holding onto the 2 weighty things, the Quran and the AhlulBayt.
5tan1214 7 months ago 7
Shias are the most peaceful and knowledgeable sect
cuteguy4816 7 months ago 17
hahahahhahahahahahahahahaha lmao wat a random call lmao
belydancerperfection 7 months ago
YASALAAM YA SHEIKH!!!!!!
SEE THIS IS THE KIND OF SHIA, U SUNNIS NEED TO SEE AS AN EXAMPLE. DONT PUT ALL OF US IN THE SAME BASKET AS THE ONES WHO ARE TRULY MISGUIDED LIKE THE ONES WHO FOLLOW ALI
Arabmaffia 9 months ago
No No No, so called shi muslims are only giving threats to israel but until today how many attacks have they made compared to sadam hussains regrime??????
kadijadesai44 9 months ago
nice reply
kazam0syed 9 months ago
@Arabkid99 may allah guide us all.
DarkNova941 10 months ago
@Arabkid99 he's a shia.
DarkNova941 10 months ago
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izri1 10 months ago
what a logic. masha ALLAH alayk
ranran3able 11 months ago
Omar bin Khattab (ra) is one of the great companions of the Prophet
san929292 11 months ago
that black guy is my islamic teacher in my college lol.. he's a funny dude :P p.s im a sunni :D
DarkNova941 11 months ago
@DarkNova941 Is he sunni?
AeroPolice 10 months ago
@DarkNova941 Is he sunni?
AeroPolice 10 months ago
@AeroPolice No he's a shia and often gives out misleading info.. but i put aside all that and his good character makes up for it :P
DarkNova941 10 months ago
forget sunnis and shias what about the rest of humanity??are they dogs and cats??everyone will die and then.then the glorious allah will JUDGE..whoever sins and wrongs his soul will be accountable and will pay.we pray for allahs mercy but if everyone is so sure in their faith then shouldent they be able to say allhumdulilah and pray for the one they think is wrong???whoever they may be? cummon people.think! think! use the intelect that allah has given us.allah guide us all. ameen
kalimilyas2012 1 year ago
If you hate & love in the pleasure of Allah(swt), based on evidence not emotion only, then that is deen and there is no compromise. All hate and love should be for the pleasure of Allah(swt). If the Shia hate someting or someone for personal reasons then compromise is a personal matter of choice. Love of the companions is not wajib has nothing to do with imaan, but love of Ahlulbayt (as) is wajib ( Quran 42:23). Ask the Shia why they do not like some, is it personal or based on evidence.
makesUquestion 1 year ago 11
@makesUquestion thank u for great teaching and inlight pepole, some how and any how we have to birng truth out,and those who belive in truth they will try to find out truth and follow the right things.
vakilusa 8 months ago
Wait wait wait, how come Sunnis and Shiites can be brothers when Sunnis really love Omar, Aisha, and Abu Bakar. While Shiites really hate Omar, Aisha, and Abu Bakar.
Come on I want answers Mr acting nice.
AnasAlex10 1 year ago 3
@AnasAlex10 Hi, no one is responsible for anothers sins, so to blame Shias for the mistakes of say their alims or Sunni's for the mistakes of some companions is not fair. Secondly I may not like the company my brother keeps but do I hate my brother? Thirdly, a convert/reverts parents may hate the prophet (s) yet still the revert is ordered to love them for their being his parent. Imam Ali(as) advised: that if he is not your brother in faith he is your brother in humanity' Letter 53 Nahjulbalagha
makesUquestion 1 year ago 14
@makesUquestion Yes many of Shiias may look brothers to the Sunnis from the outside, but from the behind they bash very respected figures according to Sunnis like Omar, Aisha, ..etc. I'm not defending anyone here. I'm just speaking reality, and until Shiias stop hating those specific figures, there will never be brotherhood between these two sects. Especially the extreme Sunnis and Shiias. The only way is to let lose some old stories, stop hating classical figuers, and live on 2011.
AnasAlex10 1 year ago 4
@AnasAlex10 Sunni's our are brothers in faith and part of us not just humanity. The Al Azhar formula of accepting Shia's as the fifth school of Islam is the right way as it allows all to express their faith and gives all a right of reply/explanation (a fundemental of justice) Sunni's and Shias live side by side in many areas of the world and there is no problem.
makesUquestion 1 year ago 4
@AnasAlex10 Because in the end both sunnis and shia's believe in Prophet muhammed(pbuh) as the last prophet and the quran and this is what really count's. So we are brother's.
iSeekThe1Truth 9 months ago
@iSeekThe1Truth I don't see Sunnis and Shiias brothers UNTIL both of them forget the past and unite. And eliminate the extremists from both sides and don't follow them. I respect Shia stuff have like self beating and etc, but don't agree. Doing that just brings up history and again the hate occurs. Lets live the modern life, the modern world, with a modern mind.
Maybe all this sounds like shit, but that's the "truth", Muslims are in shit now because of this Shia and Sunni stupid conflict.
AnasAlex10 9 months ago
@AnasAlex10 It's true that the conflict is causing allot of disunity, people are making a big deal out of it and are spliting muslims. I also agree on eliminating extremists. But we cannot forget our past, because our past is what make's us who we are and our history, of how we became who we are. But in the end we should not have any hate towards the other sect's , but the opposite, we should unite as one and act like how the prophet would want us to act like brothers.
iSeekThe1Truth 9 months ago
@AnasAlex10 History is a part of who we are but it's true sometime's we bring up history so much but don't realize that it will have a negative impact on the modern, live, world and mind . Shia+Sunni= 1. It's true we should put aside our differences for the bigger cause of unity otherwise the Muslim's will start conflict's and wars between ourselves and this is NOT what the prophet(pbuh) taught us. We all claim to love and follow the prophet and show we should show it with our action's!
iSeekThe1Truth 9 months ago
@AnasAlex10 brother we dnt read the kalma of Abu bakar ,umar and usman and aisha
we all says the Kalma of prophet Muhammad pcbuh and we muslim ummah are unite for our beloved prophet
there is few differences we cant disscuse between ourselfs because we are not islamic scholars ,Alim ,or mufti
thanks
jazak Allah sawt
wildtigerx 8 months ago
Mashalah, very nice answer.
desiperdesi558 1 year ago
Luke 6 *sorry, not 7*
"But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29"Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30"Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.
Auralae40 1 year ago
31"Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33"If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
Auralae40 1 year ago
34"If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount. 35"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
All quotes from Luke 7 (verses included already)
Auralae40 1 year ago
Masha Allah nice reply from the Sheikh, i live in the emirates and unfortunately there is alot of ignorance towards the Shiite school of thought due to censorship and dictatorship mainly in the Gulf too.
Aloosh12 1 year ago 9
narrated by Ali(ra) which states that the Prophet made muta'a haram on the day of Khaiber (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). The author states that Ali lied for the purposes of safety (taqiya). In Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5, there is a declaration by Ali that muta'a is haram. Again they accuse Ali(ra) of lying for safety reasons (taqiya).
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital Salaam brother, but what does it have to do with the topic at hand? What is your motive? Secondly, was Muta halal before the day of Khaibar? Did the prophet (s) and Allah (SWT) allow muta before Khabar , do you believe that? Thirdly can not comment on your specific reference, but generally none of our hadith booka are Sahih, they are man made and will have errors. Generally speaking the errors are much less than Sunni books but unlike them they are not called Sahih.
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion Imam Ja'far moreover said that Muta is Zina (fornication/adultery) in al Bidayat Al Mujtahid.
Wsalam brother! My motive is to educate people about what I have learned, and to educate people about which I believe is wrong. Yes, it was allowed Tafsir 4:24 has the answer, and there are many strong narratives on its ban. It has a context attached to it. The flesh of donkey was also halal before khaibar! :)
Muta was prevalent in youmal Jahilya, just as "alcohol". Gradually banned!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital well brother not challenging what you say as do not want to get into a muta discussion, but my point is there are videos of scholars discussing muta your talking baseball on a cricket forum. So I was going to delete your post as nothing to do with Shia's being Kafir, but thought I better ask you first in case there was a connection. Here are 2 videos where you can post your comments type in search Shiah issuesssss or Shia Muta - Mutta - Temporary Marriage - shia view (part 2 of 2)
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion I'm want to people to do research and know, and then discuss it with their scholars! It should reach, as many people as possible.
For Shias being Kafir, I don't believe. Those Shias are Kafir who are the rejector of Daleel e Qataee! ie rejectors of the basics, eg If someone says that the Qur'an isn't authentic or that it has been fabricated then he/she is Kafir, for sure!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital I welcome your desire to educate the masses but on right forum. However on this topic just as curiosity what do you say about the hadiths of say Ibn Abbas on the fact that Muta was allowed by the holy prophet(s) and was only forbidden by Umar in his time in office arethe false.
Also what is your opinion about Misyar which is widely practiced amongst our Sunnah bothers and is considered halal. Type 'Misyar arab news' in search engine. Muta is a last resort and is halal in Quran.
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion :)) Umar(ra) forbade it as a leader of state. He(ra) enforced it, as a law. It was when a lady came to him and complained that she has children and her husband does Muta all the time. We have various narratives that the Sahaba(ra) used to educate people about Muta! Each and every Sahabi wasn't always present with the Prophet(saw), thats why we have so many narratives and narrators! :) The most strongest hadith against Muta is of Ali(ra). Shia sources confirms it!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@makesUquestion Muta was allowed when it when the Sahaba were away from their families, at war. As, Muta was prevalent before Islam, as well, so sudden ban could have made some more sinners. It was halfheartedly allowed, to inject it into their minds that its bad, and it was gradually banned, just as "Alcohol". At first nearing the prayers were banned, and later it was completely banned!
If Misyar has some anti-social affects then it may be banned, however, its much more closer to the ...
artistdigital 1 year ago
@makesUquestion ...to the genuine concept of Muta. I believe it should be researched, and if their is something against it, it should be banned, as well!
If you want to research the real concept of Muta in Shia mainstream, then look for it in Iran. They have a dept promoting it, and prostitution is legalized there in the name of Muta. This had never been the theme of Muta, even when it was allowed!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital what about misyar is that not prostitution by your thinking read the Arab news article. Muta is a last resort for people who are desperate as this hadith refers to sahih muslim english type 'sahih muslim 3243' about the companions that were desperate Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion I'm not well versed with Sahih Muslim, however, the first part says "Forbade", and later says "granted". It further strengthens my point that it was "halfheartedly allowed".
Yes, I think the same about Misyar, but there should be something against it. Help me find it, and I would support it! I promise!
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital th ey made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar.
also type 'sahih muslim 3249' Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Um
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@artistdigital until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith. this is also stated in Sahih Bukhari Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:
"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested." Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic, v2, p375, v6, p34. Thannks for discussion.
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion
The below hadith also supports your view:
SB 62:51
I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'a with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah-al-Mut'a). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and women are scarce." On that, Ibn 'Abbas said, "Yes."
Now, what is against it?? It comes in the next post:
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and 'Abdullah then recited this verse: 'Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers" (al-Qur'an, v. 87). Muta has abuse just like Arabs abuse the fourth wife they marry 3 original and then change the 4th in some case monthly thats a different issue.
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion Look, the narration of Hz Ali(ra) is rock solid! Its credible, authentic in ahle Sunnah supported by many other authentic hadith from ahle sunnah, as well as from authentic sources of the Shias. Now, the Shias claim that it was "Taqiyyah", but I think if there were any takiyyah in it, it would have been on the opposite side, because many people would have badly wanted it, furthermore, Taqiyyah from whom?
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital however its not a fundamental issue. Most Shias do not do Muta especially in non-middle eastern countries. The fundemental issue if you are researching the Sunni Shia issue is does Allah (swt) appoint the chaliph/imam or representative of God after the prophet (s) (Shia view) or do a select group of men who are prone to mistakes (Sunnah view) again that is for another forum, rest (muta, chest beating )are just to confuse this is what needs to be established. And then who was
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion I have studied the core of it. If you want to discuss it. I give you the scissors, cut the ribbon! :)
artistdigital 1 year ago
@makesUquestion Imam Abi-Abdullah narrated: Do not do muta'a with a believer woman..because you will humiliate her by doing that. (shiya sources: Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 253, rewaya 14:21; Istibsaar: vol. 3, pg. 143, rewaya 4:93).
Please quote from Sahih Bukhari! There is material that can support your view in Sahih Bukhari!
At the time of Abu Bakar Siddique(ra), there were enough problems. The empire was weak. There were Armies at gates, and turmoil from within. It was when Umar(ra) ...
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital have quoted from Sahih Bulhari, but Sahih Muslim is also valid according to all the four madhabs of Sunnah. May Allah(SWT) make us both of the sincere so we can find the truth and then accept it. Need to look at the news to catch up with Egypt update, remember the Egyption people in your prayers. Jazak Allah
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion A narration attributed to Sabrah ibn Ma'bad reports:“ I was with my cousin when we passed by a woman who liked my youth and a robe which my companion had. So she offered temporary marriage with the robe as the dowry. I married her and spent the night with her. In the next morning, I went to the mosque and heard the Messenger of Allah saying: 'O people, I had permitted you temporary marriage before, whoever of you has any part in ...
artistdigital 1 year ago
@makesUquestion ... Mut`ah marriage and eating the meat of domesticated donkeys on the day of Khayber (battle).
Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya also has the same opinion in his writings.
The narration from Ali(ra) is authentic from both Shia and Sunni perspective, and makes a strong case.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@makesUquestion ..became amir ul Momin, when the Muslim empire strengthened, and the concept of welfare state was introduced to the world. It was then when the Muslims were free enough to coupe up with the internal problems. Like I said, the most strongest narration is that of Ali(ra).
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital who was most worth to succeed based on things like knowledge, bravery, piety etc. The hadith for muta if you type in google 'sahih muslim 3248' is
3248 Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifeti
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@artistdigital Please feel free to cut and paste your comments in the other forums. Best wishes to you and your family.
makesUquestion 1 year ago
@makesUquestion I'm not cutting and pasting, these are my own words, and the result of my research! I have personally confirmed it, and I leave it on you check and confirm it for yourself! Its not that I'm trying to deceive you or sending it to you in person! Its open brother!
artistdigital 1 year ago
all i can say is this, may we Shia be with the ones we love, Ahlul Bayt. and may the wahabis and others who hate shia's, be with the ones they love.
kpacf 1 year ago 2
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Ameen!!
islamicartstories 1 year ago
@kpacf If that is the Way Islam is to be then!!! Abu Bakr (R.A) & Umer (R.A) r with the One who wanted them & the Prophet wanted them. Khilafat is not anyones` Debate ground. You cannot give Ahl e BAYT their true glory. Cut your throats in a WAR like them (Not even your dust could match the Dust off their Horses` tiniest mistake) then we will call it Done. Ahlu s Sunnah r Victors in every domain of Religion.
varietykhan007 1 year ago
@varietykhan007
good luck
kpacf 1 year ago