I encourage skeptics to actually watch the documentary and reserve criticism. Plenty of scientists in the field of quantum mechanics are at least considering possibilities and for good reason. "Spooky" experiments on consciousness are being performed and reproduced. Most mysticism may be a large jump from anything indicative in science, but entertaining some of these ideas is worthy. This doc doesn't have such intense claims as most and leaves plenty of room for doubt. Closed minds work both way
This is an invitation to see an artist theory on the physics of light and time!
This theory is based on two postulates
1. Is that the quantum wave particle function Ψ represents the forward passage of time ∆E ∆t ≥ h/2π itself
2. Is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π that is formed by the w- function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event that we can interact with turning the possible into the actual!
Consciousness might be the most advanced part of a universal process represented by quantum physics, but it is physical action the collapses the wave function don’t you think?
this quantum theory is mysticism not science. faith is faith and science is science both of them will never be together. i abandon eastern spirituality for western secularism. this movie is anti-realism nothing else
this quantum theory is mysticism not science. faith is faith and science is science both of them will never be together. i abandon eastern spirituality for western secularism. this movie is anti-realism nothing else
@americanliberal09 Only if you're not subtle enough to know realms beyond materialism. The uninitiated call it "Faith", the initiated call it "Of Course".
Dr John Hagelin - who arguably is a true successor to Albert Einstein - explains it very well (although Dr Goswami does a brilliant job also!)
The unified field is actually what comprises our "reality" - our "material" existence has no actual true physical existence...."something" is the same thing as "nothing"
"Consciousness" is the ground of all being, from the sub atomic world & up. The basis of every wave/particle is the same thing "thought" is made out of!
@BlueDotProductions What kind of answer is that? You clearly do not know anything about quantum mechanics, neither does Deepak Chopera. This is complete nonsense and has nothing to do with science.
@americanliberal09 I could not possibly disagree with you any stronger. How do you reach the conclusion that this is simply mysticism? Specifically, which principles that Dr. Goswami delves into lead you to believe that this is anti-realism? There was a time not so long ago in which people largely believed that the earth was flat, that the earth was the center of the universe, etc. Similarly, post-material science is our next leap as evidenced by the double-slit experiment among many others.
@leasure5972 this is spirituality not hardcore science. he say that objects are not determine things but possibilties? how can a object have any possibilities while it's an non-living material it has not thougts only humans can give the object values not the objects themselves.
@americanliberal09 go worship Ayn Rand, Gore Vidal, and William Buckley just make sure you eat lots of fiber you will need it after your swallow their western rhetoric and try to pass it on.
@jobedied who is gore vidal? and never heard of William buckley before.
i support western secularism which means religion stay out of government so everybody is free to practice their religion they want without the government controlling them.
@americanliberal09 whats wrong with me is the view that Quantum mechanics is not mysticism but proven fact and to make such a general statement is real mysticism. Nothing wrong with western secularism but like all conceptualized mental constructs to take one view as true and reject valid others is to throw the baby out with the bath water. Would a scientist reject classic physics and believe only in quantum mechanics they are both scientifically valid at different scales. Synthesis is possible.
science is the science of god, the big bang (if it happened) - > gases - > mass -> stars -> planets -> life -> us, each "step" of this is progression is simply another abstraction or concept in our minds, it is not in 'steps' it is one process, continually changing and complexifying itself, recognise the infinite nameless nothing from which it arises
@Rrrrobbo i'm not saying science really has it right though, i'm just saying, science is just chasing after further abstraction, unless it gives us technologies and understanding that benefit the planet it is useless, just making us think we know it all because we've reduced reality down to a set of algorithms is no use, reality isn't a mathmatical equation, it's everything ever experienced by anything ever.... IMO! XD
@DaSkinnyApe: I would say 'atheists' are, as atheism is just the absence of a belief in god. There are spiritual atheists who believe in survival after death. The most arrogant ones, in my opinion, are the hardcore materialists who believe that all we are is a brain, and anybody who does not share this belief is deluding themselves because they 'want' too. Humorously there is no proof to support their position that the brain produces consciousness, only correlation..
@DaSkinnyApe I find that evangelical religious fundamentalists and evangelical athiests are pretty much cut from the same cloth........Both are unwilling to think outside of the box they have created for their thoughts.......They look through eyes of hate and fear, we look with better eyes than that.
is there such a thing as free will or not? if all is causally determined or solely material arisings as opposed to awareness choosing then what of Law? why hold anyone responsible?
My agenda in making this film was to provoke the conversation.
@KorAllRBare yes, this is the standard view based in the view that all is matter first, subtle second. but then why have laws? why hold anyone responsible? if all of our thoughts, feelings, actions, inactions etc are the only reactions to actions, force moving against other dense or subtle forces, then there being no WIll, no independently causal agent, then how can anyone be held accountable for any action or inaction? what does this inform about how to govern or guide our lives? thank you.
Simply because we "Our Mass" are embedded within semi-closed systems of various masses, defined to set laws that are embedded within any number of even more interlinked and embedded systems with possible other set laws, its the reason I refer to "The Universe" as one mother of a "Multinecked Klein Bottle" having each theoretical Neck to be an input and or output, but importantly these in/outputs allow for a somewhat limited set of available choices at any given time, 2Bcont.
Put simply ask your self what are you limited to right at this very instance?
As somewhere, it all comes down to a limited choice/s available to you, to which the universe will have to react to {governed by its set of choices available to it}, mind you within set rules that define respective reciprocal/s to which some time ago concluded - it would need to be an allowed division and or exchange of Kinetic Energy to Potential Energy..
Respond to this video... Put simply, we perceive we have freedom of choice aka "Will", but in a nut shell, we are all basically on a roller coaster ride provided by our personal reciprocal, "The rest of the universe", and there in is a clue, as to why ALL Laws in deed work! As they define allowed changes with each and every reaction..
Our Actions may be perceived to be created by our doing, but they in fact are all based on actual allowed Physics..
@KorAllRBare one of my elders and teachers would suggest we have at most 3- 5% free will, but most people are not using what they have at all. where did the laws of physics arise? I know that question can sound charged, but it is an honest question. who or what chooses the law instead of the not law? remember the double slit or delayed choice experiments. hmm?
Laws define allowed and disallowed representations..
With regards to the Universe, it all stems from its single inference..
For example if we were able to refer to portions of it, we would also have to refer to the rest of it..
So that if we referred to half of it, then we would also need to refer to the other half, likewise if we refer to 90% of it we would also need to refer to the rest of it, and therein could be a problem, because what if the rest of it presented 2Bcont..
@KorAllRBare but do we know and understand all of the laws of physics? is it not doubtful. and yet again that pesky free WIl question. Can we influence physics?
is there such a thing as free will or not? if all is causally determined or solely material arisings as opposed to awareness choosing then what of Law? why hold anyone responsible?
My agenda in making this film was to provoke the conversation.
I already answered this above.. with a NO!.. but via a perceived set of represented choices "allowed divisions of available energy representing our system or our mass, mind you (bound by set laws to physics), yes we are able to perceive and present free will.. but to understand this better we need to treat our mass "system" as a body of energy that may choose to output energy, and its these outputs that present our perceived will, does that make sense to you?
The IM-possible defines what is possible as does "The possible" define what is
IM-possible, both terms or definitions define each other, as does each and every other known presentation, asleep or not asleep! Aware or not Aware of else, as the whole Universe if it is to express itself relies on a single media, so lets define it as E and basically E=Mc^2 mind you I stress a basic Equation, and to be acurate we can refer to all of it via E=100%
"The Universe" or to make it clear to any one with the tiniest quanta of logical sense to them.
All possibilities must always be possible as it conforms to all else,as has all the IM-possible to never be possible, examples such as Magic, Miracles and or a contradiction having two contradictory expressions both as fact
Of course there will always be someone stupid enough ?! Yeah and probably high as a Kite to defend the obvious fiction, Mind you I am not saying you have.
anyone else think that the universe came in to creation with out intelligent design and the universe is divine since no creator was needed it its creation.
- oh brother, you mean to say you waited ten months to launch an ineffective response & then deviate from the main argument with extraneous jibber-jabber?
I'm still waiting for you to respond to & disprove my previous comment, here it is again... can YOU prove the worlds validity whilst in deep sleep?
& again to return to & support the 1st & key point or my whole & original debate...
This method relies on Physics and the knowledge and or data of each and every Force and Velocity in question previous to the disputed point in time..
And That's why my stance is supreme to those who choose to overlook Basic and Fundamental Physics, in favour of Religious contradicting Philosophies, concepts and or constructs..
ALL, I repeat ALL, succumb to NO-thing in deep sleep and you KNOW nothing in that state, you don't even KNOW it's a state.
And where do you get off breaking up energy units? You can't divide the INDIVISIBLE! I guess you're not up to that part in the Physics manual for novices.
But Importantly, just as all Physical theory predicts, said events or observations via other systems interactions continues on, whilst a camcorder is not biological, it is still indisputable evidence that you, and each and every velocity that defines your reciprocal function to the rest of the Universe indeed continued on exactly as per the Laws of Physics while comotose'd.. Its all in the details!
Concepts/Constructs are indeed collapsible, but importantly only to fiction not facts
As for energy being indivisible, let me refer to what should be really obvious..
Do you at all eat?
Of course you do!
Now ask your self where does all your food come from?
And how is it possible?
Each and every time you pass any mass or energy aka "Mass/Energy equivalence" into your mouth you divide "Bite" it and pass parts of it on to your biological systems, its a basic division and further sharing via Chemical reactions of the energy "food" you consumed..
ELECTROMAGNETISM. The sun, the food, its bitten portion, your body with its various systems by which it transforms, transmutes & converts incoming food into energy... ELECTROMAGNETISM!!! Your faulty outlook & attitude creates the illusion that things are separate.
Quantum entanglement was another part in the manual that was obviously uncomprehensible for you.
I've made my up mind. You're are a moron lacking basic judgment.
I find it extremely amusing when someone else has a near clear understanding to fundamental physics and yet contradict themselves.. But whats more of a concern is when I convey my understanding and when read its misunderstood, thats my biggie!..
Now to clear up my biggie, here's what I wished to convey, when dividing up energy the actual body may present countless expressions, but in doing so needs to divide and portion out quanta to set dimensions..
@KorAllRBare - Again, electromagnetism = one indivisible wave field! What you don't understand is that there are no separable energy units in the entanglement of the field, oh I guess that's why physicists applied the key words QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT.
You say the universe continues in sleep. Please state how you 'KNOW' the world exists WHILST in sleep. Please state how you 'KNOW' anything whilst in deep sleep.
Wrong! But then I dont expect most scientists or physicists to come close to understanding as to why you in fact are THEORETICALLY wrong.. Ever heard of wave particle duality? if so, spare us the details and consider a quarter of a wave with respects to Interference to said wave?
So, Has it dawned on you yet what the practical UNIVERSE expresses can indeed be theoretically divided?
As for Quntum Entanglement, its a small step in the right direction to including RELATIVITY
@KorAllRBare - So does this mean you simply can't answer a straight question? I assume so, it's always the simple things that baffle the self proclaimed genius. Please continue to equivocate with more rantings. I see no gain in even acknowledging your extraneous prattle, & it would do you well to take some time to read the post....
There we go, an epiphany by you - albeit not what most would have expected, but it does point out you're just here to bolster your ego, Unfortunately, the best advice one can provide is this topic or thread was NOT a good choice for that, Evidence "FACTS" as in all past interactions makes this very clear, problem is whether you are able to recognize just how many self inflicted wounds are evident to your good-self
Please revise.. And consider "Theoretical" Vs Practical 2Bcontinued.
What I am stressing here is Theoretically no matter what, everything and anything can be divided, but then I dont expect a pre-graduate or for that matter even a post graduate with no research under their belt on the matter to clearly understand as to why
I am not here to bolster my ego as you are, but rather I am merely here to ensure facts are eked out, rather than buried by the religious-so the more BS you convey the more the BS is exposed for what it is!
@KorAllRBare - hot+cold, up+down = opposites on either end of ONE INDIVISIBLE spectrum.
If QM isn't absolute & accurate then why did you even present it as grounds for your argument & then discount it as finite knowledge?... oops!
& what puzzles me is why you play the 'religious card' when there isn't a mention of it from me... if anything you're the ostentatious one in this argument.
& let's admit it... you just can't answer my question can you?
@KorAllRBare - WRONG! I choose to stick to the argument & not stray by introducing inordinate points like yourself... check the debate from the very start & you'll see all your numerous irrelevant deviations. Oh & while you're at it... go ahead & pluck more religious taunts from the air upon the vainglorious assumption that I myself am religious... dear oh dear!
@xamehc If you dont like the fact that you present your self as religious, then how about you make your self aware of how you have been deceived, Ask your self what you are defending? No Seriously Watch the above video again.. or even better watch the actual production that the above trailer is pushing, mind you with extreme caution with regards to its hidden agenda. Of course going by all the past who ha by you, its obvious your rants will still continue, proving that you have been Brainwashed.
@KorAllRBare You just could't help but deviate yet again! You've just got to throw in useless prattle! When in the course of our debate did I state my support or otherwise to this video or its contents?! My poor friend you are the king of unwarranted presumption!
I get it now... you were one of those kids who always felt un-loved & unppreciated, but don't worry Korallbare, everything's gonna be alright ;-(
@KorAllRBare - Wasting your time trying to find the cause or effect for any event is a pointless activity. You will never find the start or end points for they are infinite in number... or more so, they're two extremities of the ONE spectrum.
I'm not for or against brainwashing, I merely see it as it is... a temporal thought which means absolutely nothing in a state of deep sleep!!!
Even so, with due diligence and with all the data available, everything can be mathematically equated..
as for your final paragraph, I agree, but with enough data and applied Physics even a thought whilst in sleep may one day be gleaned, and I do stress one day in the future if our current evolutionary gain in knowledge continues to gain Data..
@KorAllRBare - Fine... if you continue to rely solely on others for their experience first & not apply your own findings through your own DIRECT experience, then what more is there to be said?
Not just others, but rather - "ALL Else" and respective representations that simply do not contradict, it's this all else that defines my reality, as does my representations - to elses reality.
And the more one understands all aspects of facts, That defines a given reality and or existence, the more accurate and factual or to put it simply as I am able to - The less likely contradictions are able to provide or present a delusional reality..
Continued from above, So QM still has a lot of refining to go with regards to Relativity..
Now.. With regards to your childish question,
I am shocked, what with all your knowledge in Physics you still persist to ask such a childish question
Obviously grade 5 Physics, which explains Force and Motion that has your question as mute, was way over your head, its that or you have simply chosen to over look fundamental and or basic Physics in favour of defending religious rubbish!..
Then explain how it is possible one system consisting of energy that presents as Neodymium behaves differently to a system consisting of much the same quanta of energy but presents as Silicon?
Bare in mind your stance has it that energy can not be divided and positioned elsewhere, to which would have the entire Universe being able to express only one dimension as it's Energy cant be divided to express all possibilities..
You simply cant get past the fact that your enire makeup consists of various ratios of Energy and each ratio presents various denties as in NEAR-Vacuum right up to a highly Compressed ratio of energy that presents as a Relative solid, and each respective solid present as various Atoms based on the various possible ratios of energy, and with these Atoms and respective configurations Molecules and with these molecules cells, and with these cells Organs 2Cont
And right through via every single system they all adhere to the laws of physics.. Sleep or no sleep, conscious or not, the biological system defined by the Universe continues on to adhere to the laws of physics in existing, just as all other mass does whether I am aware of it or not!
Got that!??
I doubt it, as over the years its been my experience the ignorant call all others ignorant, the actual morons charge others to be morons and the Bullies lay blame on the meek..
It still does not detract from the fact that the Universe continues on GOT THAT!?
I repeat conscious or not aware or not aware, all else continues on to exist!
Its absolutely stupid to suggest the Universe ceases to exist when one and I do stress ONE is asleep, evidence to this is your actual observation of else sleeping!
Now PREY - Tell me whilst this sleeping individual sleeps do you exist?
Of course you do - can you see just how small minded of a construct you are defending?
Why haven't you engaged yourself with the above conveyance?
Is it - that Basic and fundamental Physics is simply beyond your comprehension?
Or has some logical truth and the facts therein pointed out contradictions to your Understanding and as such you have come to some epiphany that your philosophies are making a fool of you?
Thats right! Your defense to BS, actually eeks out even more truth or FACTS! and for me its nothing but a win win situation thank-you.
Call "Everything Possible" or "The Universe" what ever you like, but the buck stops when a contradiction is defined and or relied upon, such as defining abstracts within "The Bible", "The Quran" or any other religious source containing contradictory Physics..
It is good to see all the engagement, this is to us the best we can hope for. Dr. Amit Goswami is a force in this field to be familiar with. Is his view the definitive the way it all is?
Question, question, self enquire, discern, don't take anyones word for it, not Dawkins, Not Hawkings, and not Goswami. THink! if this film inspires critical thought, it is to us, a great success.
But I insist what has been presented is flawed and does not strictly adhere to the laws of physics in all aspects, yes I agree it does to current flawed theories such as "QM", but let me remind all that "QM" at best results with some uncertainty, so "QM" doesnt sit well with other theories that do conform and comply with each other and in doing so they provide accurate data which is very unlike "QM"..
This whole mess of messages reaks of the weak minded attempting to brainwash thier BS to those who are not as easlily fooled by BS as they were, BS such as any religious crap that can only infects the weak minded anyway..
Put simply its a waste of ones time.. and so I wont bother myself with this tripe..
Make up a huge load of BS and you can justify it with the same arguments.
If something has no objectively observable influence on the natural world it does not matter and probably doesn't even exist. If something has an objectively observable influence on the natural world it can be investigated scientifically.
Charlatans have been deceiving the gullible (and often themselves) with vague unsubstantiatable claims for ages.Diluting scientific knowledge with BS just makes more BS.
I'm sorry you didn't understand or were unable to read the entirety of my comment. Allow me to redress my comments in a way that will probably make more sense to you:
*Dear Amit Goswami and BlueDotProductions, Says WHO? YOU? Now THAT is real objectivity, ROTFL.*
Hopefully that vague response to the vague claims of the video will make more sense to you. As Goswami's claims are untestable we are free to assume they are at least meaningless and almost certainly untrue.
There are BILLIONS of "untestable" realities around you. Does this FACT bother you? It most certainly doesn't make them "untrue".
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Considering the fact that OVER half of scientists believe in a God, it doesn't seem to bother them.
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I am glad we live in a world of Post-Materialist Science now, because the idiotic Dogmas of the past only discouraged diversity and ENCOURAGED fascism.
The reason they are untestable is because they don't interact with matter or energy. If they did they would be testable. Since they don't, they are moot, at best.
If the mystical doesn't have access to us and we don't have access to it, hence: "untestable" it is meaningless or untrue.
I like fiction as much as the next person but wishful thinking doesn't make The Force, magic or quantum mysticism tangible or true.
It's 33% of scientists but that's still Argumentum ad populum.
Argumentum populum? You pulled an arbitrary number like 33% out of thin air, never "tested" it AT ALL, and you have the nerve to post it here? ROTFLMAO
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No matter, your ideas are ancient, and Post-Materialist Science has won the day.
Is consciousness "testable"? Does it have matter? Has consciousness ever been tested? Post-Materialist Science makes atheists look VERY foolish, and they HATE it. LOL
Do you really not know how to test for consciousness or are you implying consciousness is substantial rather than phenomenon? Wow
I don't feel foolish but perhaps I'm just a victim of the Dunning–Kruger effect . The only reason to hate the woo of charlatans is that it gives the gullible an opportunity to ingrain their ignorance and retard the entire species.
Dressing inane mysticism with science-y terms and then trying to undermine the validity of science and scientists..? Next?!
the central problem with any consciousness theory is that: as mahayana buddhism implies, reality is beyond consciousness, and gives the practical example of sleep-when you sleep everything" goes on", even though you are not conscious.
There is 6,000 years of Study and explaing God to the World to man and little less than 20 years we decided that the 6K yrs. of explaining there is a God is wrong. We have a 6K yr. old operation manual explaining everything and then in little as 20 yr. we came up with the conclusion there is no God and this 6K Operater manual is wrong. Did we just get that smart with Evolution [flawed] on one side & 6K yrs. of study on the other showing is no God. Give me J.C. & the 6K yr. old operator Manual !
unfortunately all religious manuals define physics which are then contradicted by their very own definitions, having them all as being pure BS, and if one does not discard them as such, they should at least should be treated as one does fairy-tales where much the same physics is also contradicted in much the same way..
Evidence to what brainwashing does to ones reasoning..
Let me suggest "g4macdad" you read my above message to turtleaire again, but this time take your time.. and please for your own sake, put aside defending religious rubbish and or contradictory presentations and concentrate on what may be fact, how about you start removing all contradictory constructs that your beliefs, reason and decisions are based upon, or are you so deep in BS its a lost cause?..
There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING scientific about what you said. "having them all as being pure BS," ROTFLMAO
It was pure opinion, with ZERO science. Like Dawkins.
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There has NEVER been a "flying spaghetti monster," and Dawkins made a whole book based on his biased OPINIONS, which atheist zealots clung to, like klingons on Uranus.
That PROVES your low intelligence. I would be willing to bet most of my life savings, that Amit Goswami's IQ is DOUBLE yours.
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Did you expect a book written several thousand years ago to use terms that were invented in the last two of three hundred years? WOW you are a true GENIUS.*rolls eyes*
Yes indeed I do insist that the descriptions and defined physics of claimed all knowing god is to be FLAWLESS, as an all knowing god would never allow for contradictory physics, which BTW brings up a critical point, and that is an all knowing and I do stress ALL KNOWING god would have got it right from the get go, meaning every single event has to conform to defined and created physics, and not just bits of it, by implying an unknown factor is allowed for, A contradictory god..
There you go! There's a contradiction, but whats the bet you simply wont be able to get to grips with it, in as to how, and now - How about the rest of those contradictions that is defined just in those first few passages of said manual compared with proven and established laws of physics..
For example consider the ocean and its current temperature and what would occur should more energy be introduced, and lets go back and apply that to the manuals contradictory scenario..
Sorry but Amit is wrong! As all that is possible must adhere to strict Physical rules in order it expresses a Truth statement..
For example 1+1=2 is a truth statement and therefore IS possible.
1+2=1 breaks a rule and therefore is impossible, UNLESS one is willing to except lies deceit as a bases for their reality, much like the religious ignore, contradictions and obvious lies..
@KorAllRBare - 'Adherence' to any rule can only be applied when there is an OBSERVER present to regulate the integrity & validity of the equation. As you've just demonstrated... both possiblities1+1=2 and 1+2=1 most definately exist concurrently. The perplexity is introduced when YOU(observer) analyze both & JUDGE which one u deem fit for your mental inbox, & so it was YOU who broke the rule to begin with! u lied to yourself!
@xamehc -Indeed, As one is a truthful reality, whilst the other adheres to a reality more akin to some fairytale or religious construct, to which both "Fairytale" and "religious" constructs violate actual physics pertaining to TRUTH..
Put simple an observer if they wish live and base there entire life on a delusional reality or a factual reality or put simply base reality on the impossible opposed to what in fact is possible..
@KorAllRBare - hot+cold love+hate right+wrong truth+fairytale. If there is attachment & mis-idenification by the observer to ANY transient thought truths, the mind will be subject to duality & polarity thereof. Be it so called truthful-reality or other, ANY proposal formulated by the mental faculties are ALL half-truths. Again you introduce judgment which is right, but fudamentally & in its nature only half-right. Both equations r factually solid
@xamehc - Thank you for confirming my reality is indeed based on the truth simply because its based on actual FACTS or the maths rather than on cheap philosophical rubbish..
Further more I find extremely amusing when someone relies on philosophy in defense of ones delusion!
@KorAllRBare - My last post is clearly unintelligible to u. The 'MATH' is complete & both equations are its components & in your JUDGEMENT u have disconfirmed you previous statement. Again, because u failed to comprehend the 1st time - not ONE but BOTH equations are sound. Berate personal attacks all u want, it obviously does give u some satisfaction ;]
@xamehc -Say what? Are you admitting you rely on delusional reasoning ergo have taken on a personal offense and mind you by you own so called careful deliberation? Eh! Who am I to judge as to why anyone would ever do that to oneself? Never the less the two equations provide by me point out that one equation is a delusional fact and therefore not factual whilst the other equation is Factual.
@KorAllRBare - Thrice, true or false, the fault is not with either equation but with the JUDGE(you), and that is indubitably FACTUAL! man+woman=GIRL=FACT man+woman=BOY=FACT man+woman=TWINS=FACT. ALL are sound, regardless of sum factor & invloved characters. ALL equally coexist in the mathematical scheme & ALL are fruit of the same math-tree = FACT
@xamehc In reality though and with no observer one equation implies the possible and the other the impossible. Observers who favour both equation imply the possible are good at decieving themselves "DELUSIONAL", while those who decipher the equations as one being factual and the other fictional have a superior reasoning to those who seem to warm to antics such as yourself.
@FARKNELLE - lol. With "no observer", as u put it, who is there, then, to JUDGE & REASON both the possible & the impossible??? The mere fact that u can perceive(observe) the 'JUDGE' in the first instance is proof that the perceiver is aloof from all mental activity. Looking at your post, I'm now sure that u don't have a proper understanding of what an observer is & its function.
I will answer this for farknelle, seeing the youngster is not around any mo..
Fact - A lighting strikes, and no observer is there to observe and hear it, and yet it is observed 12 hours Later.. so even with no observer I am sorry to advise the event with out a doubt adhered to all laws of known physics by me...
The event is Fact no matter what..
and as 12 hours pass on..
The event is then observed, now if observation was observed or not on video 12 hours later
what childish stupidity! one male and one female are two!
Becuase A biological system defined as a man consists with x amount of mass or energy and a Bilogical system defined as a woman is also with an x amount of mass or energy, and on procreation, consumed energy assembles another biological system consisting of mass or energy, and in doing so - everything if PROPERLY measured will never compare favourably to your flawed equation, meaning your equation is flawed and thereby fiction
@KorAllRBare - OMG! u were gone so long I was about to send out a search party. Glad to see yr full of assembled energy mass etc., oh but wait... isn't that what the universe, recorded lightning strikes, and every known thing is made up of? O.M. DOUBLE G!!! But even so, and with all the worlds systems and orders, it all comes to an end when u go to sleep. No observer, no judge, no energy, NO NOTHING!!! Back to my very 1st post, all systems rise & exist with the observer present. FACT
How about spewing out some facts rather than spewing out BS and then attempting to imply BS as being Factual?
As for your physical construct with regards to your observer dictating actual physical events being dependent on said observer, its simply impossible as all physics needs to conform and comply to all else at all times, and not to implied observer, nut job and or whack job who think the whole Universe revolves just around their puny reality..
@KorAllRBare - Well can you prove the worlds validity whilst in deep sleep?... Allow me to answer what you & I both know... a whopping elephantine "NO!!!".... And why is that? Well because whack job or not, whilst in deep sleep you know absolutely "NO-thing"... = INFALIBLE FACT
comment as much as you like, All Mass must adhere to all else if it is fact, So I must point out, conscious observation or or not, the makeup of my mass which interacts with all other mass that in return defines itself as a fact via the Laws Of Physics simply must conform and comply as facts do!..
But then I don't expect the average schmo to understand Basic Physics let alone advanced Physics..
To which - More than likely you still will have further ridiculous comments to make..
@KorAllRBare - Hahahaha thanks for introducing physics - Superposition just blew your whole argument out of the youtube scope! Here's another one to keep you busy, tell me there Mr Physicist... according to the Law of Physics, what exactly is MASS??? hehehehe
Oh I bet you feel really superior now?!... By the looks of it you just got served by an average schmo
@xamehc The Entire Universe is made up of whatever you like, although Science and Physics has defined it as Energy via "Mass Energy Equivalence" or if you prefer the Maths E=Mc^2, So if we wish your reality to be consistent with facts then Energy or "E" has to be your prime divisional Dimension
And before you quip with yet another rebuke, keep in mind all the technological advances that you use on a daily basis, all have been made possible by Science and Physicist gaining factual knowledge
Your apology was already anticipated as are the following comments from others that have as yet to be compelled by the Universe to do so, Oh BTW - its my turn to apologise to you, as what just transpired just had to happen, for the sake of all those easily decieved and or brainwashed..
BTW - You DO have a valid point, but mind you - ONLY if the greater Picture is NOT considered or NOT quite clearly understood, which for that reason is why my stance will always remain a fact..
@KorAllRBare - You're not putting up much of a fight. Swim between the flags dude & just stick to the main points so we can move this thing right along!
Even with the greatest of understanding, apperceptive capacity & logic reasoning of any picture, whole or part, ALL WILL COLLAPSE when you enter deep sleep.
& back again to my point of argument...
The picture, whole or part, must have an observer present in order for it to be seen!
The Universe consists of X lets define X equals a massive unknown quantity of Energy
Whats important here is that everything possible is possible via this quantity of Energy, and seeing all that is possible is in deed being referred to, then we are indeed referring to 100% of the Universe, and if we divide up this energy to present whatever whats left MUST reciprocate and present else
whats key "HERE" and in the "VIDEO" is that, a deliberate deception is in play, thereby attacking actual facts having them implied to be with a given degree of uncertainty, but the facts are the implied constructs are based on a flawed theory which BTW was developed and introduced into Physics by religious establishments or Religiously funded Universities. Unfortunately though, once the Theory is refined so that it conforms to all current flawless theories it proves there is no god!
continued from above, This would have this video and this threads contributors attempts to instill and or brainwash the weak minded with a whole lot of mumbo jumbo, as a complete waste of time, money and resources as it just may end up doing the opposite to what the video was intended for, no matter what though religion is doomed I guess, what with intelligence gaining superiority over each generation born and provided with factual information rather than the current religiuous tripe..
Amit Goswami arrived at his conclusions (theory) independently of other who found the same.
He is a Hindu and has no affiliation with any "religiously funded universities" & it hasn't been "developed and introduced into Physics by religious establishments"
He has found it through existing scientific facts.
Prof Goswami has not changed anything in existing scientific thinking.
I see you don't actually understand anything he is actually saying in his book on the subject
Any one that makes reference to constructs of a god or gods and or even some form of intellect with out conforming to some evolved physical attributes is assumming, and as such all Theories, Concepts and Contructs based on such NONSENSE will always be found to be flawed and or open to debate, as the backbone or main abstract to said theoery may just as well be a magical Warlock or Witch!
@KorAllRBare "Unfortunately though, once the Theory is refined so that it conforms to all current flawless theories it proves there is no god! "
What utter nonsense.
To me it proves there is a God.
To you it doesn't prove there is no God, you just don't want to believe & are entrenched in your position & therefore looking for excuses to attack the theory being presented.
As stated above, there is nothing in what Prof Goswami is saying that is not established already as fact!
REALLY! - Prey tell, How does it prove a god then? What abstracts, dimensions and to what equation proves said stance?
I will have it, implied stance has no basis other than being based on the exposure to religious constructs and ways of reasoning.. And as such as long as one is unable to provide evidence implied stance is null and void, of course I concede though that all the BS may still deceive most half or near zero wits!
And if you are one of those, just keep defending the BS!
Unified Field Theory tells us that the universe is actually comprised of "potential particles" (waves of potential) which originate from the same essence as consciousness or "thought" and have no true physical reality, Indeed the sub atomic particles simply come in and out of existence & non existence. I'm a physics student myself.
Hate to spoil it for u, but aside from your dysfunctional personality traits, you have offered me nothing!
If so called Physicist are capable of overlooking critical constructs in favour of religion, then what chance is there for a Student who may have been provided corrupt information from them, ever going to prove something - that in reality violates actual Physics? I repeat what evidence can you provide other than past contradictions?
@KorAllRBare Nobody has done so. However the philosophy behind belief (& non belief) is inevitably always going to be based on the "physical" universe around us as the starting point
No one has written theories in Physics to suit religion.
But outside Physics & in Faith, speculating upon existing, proven science is not only natural, it is sensible.
What I stated are actual facts. No one has made anything up.
@KTK401, Let me stress to consider all three of your above messages along with my responses, and then all three of my following responses along with all three of your messages below as evidence to your contradictions..
@KTK401, There we go!. a nervous laugh, BTW KT401 - I am wondering, just how much more you know with regards to THEORETICAL "Virtual Particles"? I ask - because as a Physicist with all the latest data, one should be aware of the how and why in the past one would have been left with the conviction theoretical particles simply popped in and out of existence, and when I mentioned it - as if lacking critical data a few days ago, that extra data was not referred to or provided by you, I wonder why
LOL what a Joke! Something can never end up being Nothing, likewise Nothing can only ever be Nothing!
therefore "Theoretical Particles": as implied by you to magically exist and cease to exist, are as such in violation to to basic and fundamental Physics!..
What nonsense! - Its obvious your studies have touched upon some very basic QM, but alas even that seems was inadequate, mind you that's not your fault but the fault of your mentor or professor, so if I were you, I would approach your professor and get the bigger picture on it, because magic simply is not possible.. Oh and once its been clarified to you - youre welcome, nothing worse than referring to a half Rs'd Construct..
@KTK401 And if I may add for a wave to rise and fall, Mass or Energy is key here, having said that, here's a hint I will provide to what is really going on - by referring to a closed system, with an unknown quanta of Energy or Mass, to which - should it express a wave particle duality via 2 dimensions, to disappear and reappear elsewhere within the system, the Total Energy of the system at all times does not change, therefore to refer just to virtual particles is by way of gross lacking data
@KorAllRBare "And if I may add for a wave to rise and fall, Mass or Energy is key here".....*rolls eyes
"wave particle duality via 2 dimensions, to disappear and reappear elsewhere within the system, the Total Energy of the system at all times does not change,".....*slaps forehead...
"therefore to refer just to virtual particles is by way of gross lacking data "....
LOL. Dude just forget it, you are so far off course I'm not going to waste my time.
@KorAllRBare Unless you are going to break down the science and critique it properly (which is based on proven, established facts in the world of physics) don't waste any more of my time!
You sound like you think there is a "conspiracy theory" by these physicists!
If its anything close or like the above video, then I dont think I would waste my money on it, or worse waste my time in bothering some librarians precious time to borrow it..
@KorAllRBare Sorry but YOU are wrong! Have you ever heard of the; Measurement Problem?
At the Atomic and Sub-Atomic level, ALL of the physical laws fly straight out the window. Learn about something BEFORE you make a fool out of yourself with a comment like that, next time.
@g4macdad I am quite aware of comparisons being inaccurate, but facts or whatever is measured remains as is.
Put simply - the act of comparison may distort result, perception or measurement, but never ever the fact.
And as for Physical laws flying out the window at some point in the current theoretical scale, I insist once Quantum mechanics has been refined to comply to all other physical theories such as relativity for one, It will become obvious Physical laws are indeed applied too.
anyone know wher the full link to this has gone, i was watching it hte other day cannot find it now
smallz2k 1 week ago
I encourage skeptics to actually watch the documentary and reserve criticism. Plenty of scientists in the field of quantum mechanics are at least considering possibilities and for good reason. "Spooky" experiments on consciousness are being performed and reproduced. Most mysticism may be a large jump from anything indicative in science, but entertaining some of these ideas is worthy. This doc doesn't have such intense claims as most and leaves plenty of room for doubt. Closed minds work both way
TruthAndLoyalty 3 weeks ago
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Nice vid!
This is an invitation to see an artist theory on the physics of light and time!
This theory is based on two postulates
1. Is that the quantum wave particle function Ψ represents the forward passage of time ∆E ∆t ≥ h/2π itself
2. Is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π that is formed by the w- function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event that we can interact with turning the possible into the actual!
nickharvey7 1 month ago
Consciousness might be the most advanced part of a universal process represented by quantum physics, but it is physical action the collapses the wave function don’t you think?
nickharvey7 1 month ago
"What the bleep do we know" was just a religious cult propaganda film and had nothing to do with real quantum physics. Is this more of the same?
soangry 3 months ago
Anyone here because of Hutch?
ThomasDaIy 5 months ago 11
@ThomasDaIy Hah.
Sylinic 5 months ago
This just goes to show that people who don't believe anything will believe just about anything.
KwaiNyu 6 months ago
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this quantum theory is mysticism not science. faith is faith and science is science both of them will never be together. i abandon eastern spirituality for western secularism. this movie is anti-realism nothing else
americanliberal09 7 months ago
this quantum theory is mysticism not science. faith is faith and science is science both of them will never be together. i abandon eastern spirituality for western secularism. this movie is anti-realism nothing else
americanliberal09 7 months ago
@americanliberal09 Only if you're not subtle enough to know realms beyond materialism. The uninitiated call it "Faith", the initiated call it "Of Course".
BlueDotProductions 6 months ago in playlist My Top Videos 10
@BlueDotProductions uuhhh what??? their is nothing beyond materialism
materialism have no value on it's own. only what the man's mind can give it value not the material itself.
i don't see how this quantum theory stuff is accurate
americanliberal09 6 months ago
@americanliberal09 It is established science.
regards
KTK401 6 months ago
@KTK401 really?
americanliberal09 6 months ago
@americanliberal09 Copenhagen Interpretation. Consciousness/Observation etc causes the collapse of the wave function, and so on.
regards!
KTK401 5 months ago
@BlueDotProductions EXACTY!
Dr John Hagelin - who arguably is a true successor to Albert Einstein - explains it very well (although Dr Goswami does a brilliant job also!)
The unified field is actually what comprises our "reality" - our "material" existence has no actual true physical existence...."something" is the same thing as "nothing"
"Consciousness" is the ground of all being, from the sub atomic world & up. The basis of every wave/particle is the same thing "thought" is made out of!
KTK401 6 months ago
@BlueDotProductions What kind of answer is that? You clearly do not know anything about quantum mechanics, neither does Deepak Chopera. This is complete nonsense and has nothing to do with science.
aqouby 4 weeks ago
@americanliberal09 I could not possibly disagree with you any stronger. How do you reach the conclusion that this is simply mysticism? Specifically, which principles that Dr. Goswami delves into lead you to believe that this is anti-realism? There was a time not so long ago in which people largely believed that the earth was flat, that the earth was the center of the universe, etc. Similarly, post-material science is our next leap as evidenced by the double-slit experiment among many others.
leasure5972 2 months ago
@leasure5972 this is spirituality not hardcore science. he say that objects are not determine things but possibilties? how can a object have any possibilities while it's an non-living material it has not thougts only humans can give the object values not the objects themselves.
americanliberal09 2 months ago
@americanliberal09 go worship Ayn Rand, Gore Vidal, and William Buckley just make sure you eat lots of fiber you will need it after your swallow their western rhetoric and try to pass it on.
jobedied 2 months ago
@jobedied what are you talking about? none of these people i personally worship.
i don't bowed down to them geez. i'm just saying it's not scientific :P
americanliberal09 2 months ago
@jobedied who is gore vidal? and never heard of William buckley before.
i support western secularism which means religion stay out of government so everybody is free to practice their religion they want without the government controlling them.
so what's wrong with you sir?
americanliberal09 2 months ago
@americanliberal09 whats wrong with me is the view that Quantum mechanics is not mysticism but proven fact and to make such a general statement is real mysticism. Nothing wrong with western secularism but like all conceptualized mental constructs to take one view as true and reject valid others is to throw the baby out with the bath water. Would a scientist reject classic physics and believe only in quantum mechanics they are both scientifically valid at different scales. Synthesis is possible.
jobedied 2 months ago
@jobedied nope
americanliberal09 1 month ago
@bandpracticeput aside the mirror my love and free your mind.
MommaElin 7 months ago
science is the science of god, the big bang (if it happened) - > gases - > mass -> stars -> planets -> life -> us, each "step" of this is progression is simply another abstraction or concept in our minds, it is not in 'steps' it is one process, continually changing and complexifying itself, recognise the infinite nameless nothing from which it arises
Rrrrobbo 8 months ago
@Rrrrobbo i'm not saying science really has it right though, i'm just saying, science is just chasing after further abstraction, unless it gives us technologies and understanding that benefit the planet it is useless, just making us think we know it all because we've reduced reality down to a set of algorithms is no use, reality isn't a mathmatical equation, it's everything ever experienced by anything ever.... IMO! XD
Rrrrobbo 8 months ago
How can anyone dislike this?
3Daver 8 months ago
The atheist community turned out to be more arrogant and narrow-minded than religious fendamentalists...
DaSkinnyApe 8 months ago 15
@DaSkinnyApe: I would say 'atheists' are, as atheism is just the absence of a belief in god. There are spiritual atheists who believe in survival after death. The most arrogant ones, in my opinion, are the hardcore materialists who believe that all we are is a brain, and anybody who does not share this belief is deluding themselves because they 'want' too. Humorously there is no proof to support their position that the brain produces consciousness, only correlation..
AnduinX 6 months ago
@DaSkinnyApe fantastic comment - regards a spritual atheist :) ....your comment is true :)
kennethogmarie 3 months ago
@DaSkinnyApe I find that evangelical religious fundamentalists and evangelical athiests are pretty much cut from the same cloth........Both are unwilling to think outside of the box they have created for their thoughts.......They look through eyes of hate and fear, we look with better eyes than that.
peacewavenow 2 months ago
oh good, i dont even bother reading the comments on youtube. why? its full of idiots
BlaZiiNxIIxGuNn3R 8 months ago
is there such a thing as free will or not? if all is causally determined or solely material arisings as opposed to awareness choosing then what of Law? why hold anyone responsible?
My agenda in making this film was to provoke the conversation.
peace
maitreyananda62 9 months ago
@maitreyananda62
No! As every single thought is actually dictated by forces that comply to force and motion rules at a low level of Potential & Kinetic Energy..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare yes, this is the standard view based in the view that all is matter first, subtle second. but then why have laws? why hold anyone responsible? if all of our thoughts, feelings, actions, inactions etc are the only reactions to actions, force moving against other dense or subtle forces, then there being no WIll, no independently causal agent, then how can anyone be held accountable for any action or inaction? what does this inform about how to govern or guide our lives? thank you.
maitreyananda62 9 months ago
@maitreyananda62
Simply because we "Our Mass" are embedded within semi-closed systems of various masses, defined to set laws that are embedded within any number of even more interlinked and embedded systems with possible other set laws, its the reason I refer to "The Universe" as one mother of a "Multinecked Klein Bottle" having each theoretical Neck to be an input and or output, but importantly these in/outputs allow for a somewhat limited set of available choices at any given time, 2Bcont.
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@maitreynanda62,
Cont from above,
Put simply ask your self what are you limited to right at this very instance?
As somewhere, it all comes down to a limited choice/s available to you, to which the universe will have to react to {governed by its set of choices available to it}, mind you within set rules that define respective reciprocal/s to which some time ago concluded - it would need to be an allowed division and or exchange of Kinetic Energy to Potential Energy..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
Respond to this video... Put simply, we perceive we have freedom of choice aka "Will", but in a nut shell, we are all basically on a roller coaster ride provided by our personal reciprocal, "The rest of the universe", and there in is a clue, as to why ALL Laws in deed work! As they define allowed changes with each and every reaction..
Our Actions may be perceived to be created by our doing, but they in fact are all based on actual allowed Physics..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare one of my elders and teachers would suggest we have at most 3- 5% free will, but most people are not using what they have at all. where did the laws of physics arise? I know that question can sound charged, but it is an honest question. who or what chooses the law instead of the not law? remember the double slit or delayed choice experiments. hmm?
maitreyananda62 9 months ago
@maitreyananda62
Laws define allowed and disallowed representations..
With regards to the Universe, it all stems from its single inference..
For example if we were able to refer to portions of it, we would also have to refer to the rest of it..
So that if we referred to half of it, then we would also need to refer to the other half, likewise if we refer to 90% of it we would also need to refer to the rest of it, and therein could be a problem, because what if the rest of it presented 2Bcont..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@Maitreyananda62,
With the exact same dimensions, obviously this would have one portion to be with a different ratio of PE and KE..
to the other portion..
So lets do the maths to see if we are indeed referring to a NEAR-Vacuum with a Solid in its midst..
Lets first divide the Universe into two portions, and then have them with a Maximum reciprocal ratio of KE & PE..
The result would be a NEAR-Solid within a NEAR-Vacuum, and yet each PERCIEVED half Presents differently, bound by defined laws..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare but do we know and understand all of the laws of physics? is it not doubtful. and yet again that pesky free WIl question. Can we influence physics?
maitreyananda62 9 months ago
is there such a thing as free will or not? if all is causally determined or solely material arisings as opposed to awareness choosing then what of Law? why hold anyone responsible?
My agenda in making this film was to provoke the conversation.
peace
maitreyananda62 9 months ago
@maitreyananda62
I already answered this above.. with a NO!.. but via a perceived set of represented choices "allowed divisions of available energy representing our system or our mass, mind you (bound by set laws to physics), yes we are able to perceive and present free will.. but to understand this better we need to treat our mass "system" as a body of energy that may choose to output energy, and its these outputs that present our perceived will, does that make sense to you?
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
"The Universe" was never created,
Put simply,
The IM-possible defines what is possible as does "The possible" define what is
IM-possible, both terms or definitions define each other, as does each and every other known presentation, asleep or not asleep! Aware or not Aware of else, as the whole Universe if it is to express itself relies on a single media, so lets define it as E and basically E=Mc^2 mind you I stress a basic Equation, and to be acurate we can refer to all of it via E=100%
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
or am i just high and or really fucking stupid
92451721921892113 9 months ago
@92451721921892113
"The Universe" or to make it clear to any one with the tiniest quanta of logical sense to them.
All possibilities must always be possible as it conforms to all else,as has all the IM-possible to never be possible, examples such as Magic, Miracles and or a contradiction having two contradictory expressions both as fact
Of course there will always be someone stupid enough ?! Yeah and probably high as a Kite to defend the obvious fiction, Mind you I am not saying you have.
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
anyone else think that the universe came in to creation with out intelligent design and the universe is divine since no creator was needed it its creation.
92451721921892113 9 months ago
- oh brother, you mean to say you waited ten months to launch an ineffective response & then deviate from the main argument with extraneous jibber-jabber?
I'm still waiting for you to respond to & disprove my previous comment, here it is again... can YOU prove the worlds validity whilst in deep sleep?
& again to return to & support the 1st & key point or my whole & original debate...
(drum roll please...)
... E = SUPERPOSITION ! ! !
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc
YES!
It is possible!
Simply via the use of a Camcorder!
BUT WAIT! There is another method..
This method relies on Physics and the knowledge and or data of each and every Force and Velocity in question previous to the disputed point in time..
And That's why my stance is supreme to those who choose to overlook Basic and Fundamental Physics, in favour of Religious contradicting Philosophies, concepts and or constructs..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare -
Camcorder?... INDIRECT EXPERIENCE!
Friend?... HEARSAY!
Science/Religion?... IRRELEVANT!
Concepts/constructs?... COLLAPSABLE!
ALL, I repeat ALL, succumb to NO-thing in deep sleep and you KNOW nothing in that state, you don't even KNOW it's a state.
And where do you get off breaking up energy units? You can't divide the INDIVISIBLE! I guess you're not up to that part in the Physics manual for novices.
Sheesh!
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc
But Importantly, just as all Physical theory predicts, said events or observations via other systems interactions continues on, whilst a camcorder is not biological, it is still indisputable evidence that you, and each and every velocity that defines your reciprocal function to the rest of the Universe indeed continued on exactly as per the Laws of Physics while comotose'd.. Its all in the details!
Concepts/Constructs are indeed collapsible, but importantly only to fiction not facts
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@xamehc
ROFLOL.. Oh mercy!
As for energy being indivisible, let me refer to what should be really obvious..
Do you at all eat?
Of course you do!
Now ask your self where does all your food come from?
And how is it possible?
Each and every time you pass any mass or energy aka "Mass/Energy equivalence" into your mouth you divide "Bite" it and pass parts of it on to your biological systems, its a basic division and further sharing via Chemical reactions of the energy "food" you consumed..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare
ELECTROMAGNETISM. The sun, the food, its bitten portion, your body with its various systems by which it transforms, transmutes & converts incoming food into energy... ELECTROMAGNETISM!!! Your faulty outlook & attitude creates the illusion that things are separate.
Quantum entanglement was another part in the manual that was obviously uncomprehensible for you.
I've made my up mind. You're are a moron lacking basic judgment.
Please close the door on your way out!
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
I find it extremely amusing when someone else has a near clear understanding to fundamental physics and yet contradict themselves.. But whats more of a concern is when I convey my understanding and when read its misunderstood, thats my biggie!..
Now to clear up my biggie, here's what I wished to convey, when dividing up energy the actual body may present countless expressions, but in doing so needs to divide and portion out quanta to set dimensions..
Put simply Open subsystems..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Again, electromagnetism = one indivisible wave field! What you don't understand is that there are no separable energy units in the entanglement of the field, oh I guess that's why physicists applied the key words QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT.
You say the universe continues in sleep. Please state how you 'KNOW' the world exists WHILST in sleep. Please state how you 'KNOW' anything whilst in deep sleep.
I'M SHOCKED I HAD TO REPEAT THAT!
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
Wrong! But then I dont expect most scientists or physicists to come close to understanding as to why you in fact are THEORETICALLY wrong.. Ever heard of wave particle duality? if so, spare us the details and consider a quarter of a wave with respects to Interference to said wave?
So, Has it dawned on you yet what the practical UNIVERSE expresses can indeed be theoretically divided?
As for Quntum Entanglement, its a small step in the right direction to including RELATIVITY
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - So does this mean you simply can't answer a straight question? I assume so, it's always the simple things that baffle the self proclaimed genius. Please continue to equivocate with more rantings. I see no gain in even acknowledging your extraneous prattle, & it would do you well to take some time to read the post....
It states... one indivisible 'WAVE FIELD!!!'
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
There we go, an epiphany by you - albeit not what most would have expected, but it does point out you're just here to bolster your ego, Unfortunately, the best advice one can provide is this topic or thread was NOT a good choice for that, Evidence "FACTS" as in all past interactions makes this very clear, problem is whether you are able to recognize just how many self inflicted wounds are evident to your good-self
Please revise.. And consider "Theoretical" Vs Practical 2Bcontinued.
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@xamahc, continued
What I am stressing here is Theoretically no matter what, everything and anything can be divided, but then I dont expect a pre-graduate or for that matter even a post graduate with no research under their belt on the matter to clearly understand as to why
I am not here to bolster my ego as you are, but rather I am merely here to ensure facts are eked out, rather than buried by the religious-so the more BS you convey the more the BS is exposed for what it is!
so keep going
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - hot+cold, up+down = opposites on either end of ONE INDIVISIBLE spectrum.
If QM isn't absolute & accurate then why did you even present it as grounds for your argument & then discount it as finite knowledge?... oops!
& what puzzles me is why you play the 'religious card' when there isn't a mention of it from me... if anything you're the ostentatious one in this argument.
& let's admit it... you just can't answer my question can you?
Why?... fear of your pride being pummeled.
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
You must be running out of ideas as your repeating your self, perhaps my answer was or is way over your head, YES!? Yes of course!
And as for the rest of your message, it points out you really dont take the time and due care when reading..
As obviously you have not grasped what I conveyed with regards to my stance on "QM"
Had you understood all that I conveyed you would never have blurted out the likes of your last message..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - WRONG! I choose to stick to the argument & not stray by introducing inordinate points like yourself... check the debate from the very start & you'll see all your numerous irrelevant deviations. Oh & while you're at it... go ahead & pluck more religious taunts from the air upon the vainglorious assumption that I myself am religious... dear oh dear!
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc If you dont like the fact that you present your self as religious, then how about you make your self aware of how you have been deceived, Ask your self what you are defending? No Seriously Watch the above video again.. or even better watch the actual production that the above trailer is pushing, mind you with extreme caution with regards to its hidden agenda. Of course going by all the past who ha by you, its obvious your rants will still continue, proving that you have been Brainwashed.
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare You just could't help but deviate yet again! You've just got to throw in useless prattle! When in the course of our debate did I state my support or otherwise to this video or its contents?! My poor friend you are the king of unwarranted presumption!
I get it now... you were one of those kids who always felt un-loved & unppreciated, but don't worry Korallbare, everything's gonna be alright ;-(
Hush now child, it's all a bad dream... ;-)
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
And the above along with your next message is the evidence, you are still here?
But Why?
Is it because you support the videos concepts and constructs hence its agenda?
or are you - like me opposed to such brainwashing BS?
It can only be one or the other.
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Wasting your time trying to find the cause or effect for any event is a pointless activity. You will never find the start or end points for they are infinite in number... or more so, they're two extremities of the ONE spectrum.
I'm not for or against brainwashing, I merely see it as it is... a temporal thought which means absolutely nothing in a state of deep sleep!!!
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc,
Even so, with due diligence and with all the data available, everything can be mathematically equated..
as for your final paragraph, I agree, but with enough data and applied Physics even a thought whilst in sleep may one day be gleaned, and I do stress one day in the future if our current evolutionary gain in knowledge continues to gain Data..
Cheers..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Fine... if you continue to rely solely on others for their experience first & not apply your own findings through your own DIRECT experience, then what more is there to be said?
Peace
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
Not just others, but rather - "ALL Else" and respective representations that simply do not contradict, it's this all else that defines my reality, as does my representations - to elses reality.
And the more one understands all aspects of facts, That defines a given reality and or existence, the more accurate and factual or to put it simply as I am able to - The less likely contradictions are able to provide or present a delusional reality..
Key part of word being "REAL"..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@xamehc
Continued from above, So QM still has a lot of refining to go with regards to Relativity..
Now.. With regards to your childish question,
I am shocked, what with all your knowledge in Physics you still persist to ask such a childish question
Obviously grade 5 Physics, which explains Force and Motion that has your question as mute, was way over your head, its that or you have simply chosen to over look fundamental and or basic Physics in favour of defending religious rubbish!..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Electromagnetism = THE INDIVISIBLE
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
Then explain how it is possible one system consisting of energy that presents as Neodymium behaves differently to a system consisting of much the same quanta of energy but presents as Silicon?
Bare in mind your stance has it that energy can not be divided and positioned elsewhere, to which would have the entire Universe being able to express only one dimension as it's Energy cant be divided to express all possibilities..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Oh just in case you missed it here it is again...
'WHILST in deep sleep'
Only because you missed it the 1st, 2nd & 3rd times
Oh what the hell, just for a laugh...
'WHILST in deeeeeeeeeeeeepp sleeeeeeeeeeeppppp!!'
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
You just dont get it do you?
You simply cant get past the fact that your enire makeup consists of various ratios of Energy and each ratio presents various denties as in NEAR-Vacuum right up to a highly Compressed ratio of energy that presents as a Relative solid, and each respective solid present as various Atoms based on the various possible ratios of energy, and with these Atoms and respective configurations Molecules and with these molecules cells, and with these cells Organs 2Cont
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@xamehc
And right through via every single system they all adhere to the laws of physics.. Sleep or no sleep, conscious or not, the biological system defined by the Universe continues on to adhere to the laws of physics in existing, just as all other mass does whether I am aware of it or not!
Got that!??
I doubt it, as over the years its been my experience the ignorant call all others ignorant, the actual morons charge others to be morons and the Bullies lay blame on the meek..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Trouble reading? Allow me to type the question again & for the last time.
Do you know of anything 'WHILST IN DEEP SLEEP?' As in 'PRESENT TENSE!!!'
The answer... NO!
xamehc 9 months ago
@xamehc
It still does not detract from the fact that the Universe continues on GOT THAT!?
I repeat conscious or not aware or not aware, all else continues on to exist!
Its absolutely stupid to suggest the Universe ceases to exist when one and I do stress ONE is asleep, evidence to this is your actual observation of else sleeping!
Now PREY - Tell me whilst this sleeping individual sleeps do you exist?
Of course you do - can you see just how small minded of a construct you are defending?
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
@xamehc
Whats the matter?
Why haven't you engaged yourself with the above conveyance?
Is it - that Basic and fundamental Physics is simply beyond your comprehension?
Or has some logical truth and the facts therein pointed out contradictions to your Understanding and as such you have come to some epiphany that your philosophies are making a fool of you?
Thats right! Your defense to BS, actually eeks out even more truth or FACTS! and for me its nothing but a win win situation thank-you.
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
God is identical with God [by identity reflexivity]
Therefore, there exists something identical with God [by existential generalization]
92451721921892113 10 months ago
@92451721921892113
Call "Everything Possible" or "The Universe" what ever you like, but the buck stops when a contradiction is defined and or relied upon, such as defining abstracts within "The Bible", "The Quran" or any other religious source containing contradictory Physics..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
i stopped at whole enchilada
92451721921892113 10 months ago
@92451721921892113
Good choice..
KorAllRBare 9 months ago
It is good to see all the engagement, this is to us the best we can hope for. Dr. Amit Goswami is a force in this field to be familiar with. Is his view the definitive the way it all is?
Question, question, self enquire, discern, don't take anyones word for it, not Dawkins, Not Hawkings, and not Goswami. THink! if this film inspires critical thought, it is to us, a great success.
Peace.
maitreyananda62 10 months ago
@maitreyananda62 Here! Here!
But I insist what has been presented is flawed and does not strictly adhere to the laws of physics in all aspects, yes I agree it does to current flawed theories such as "QM", but let me remind all that "QM" at best results with some uncertainty, so "QM" doesnt sit well with other theories that do conform and comply with each other and in doing so they provide accurate data which is very unlike "QM"..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
This whole mess of messages reaks of the weak minded attempting to brainwash thier BS to those who are not as easlily fooled by BS as they were, BS such as any religious crap that can only infects the weak minded anyway..
Put simply its a waste of ones time.. and so I wont bother myself with this tripe..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
What a crock.
Make up a huge load of BS and you can justify it with the same arguments.
If something has no objectively observable influence on the natural world it does not matter and probably doesn't even exist. If something has an objectively observable influence on the natural world it can be investigated scientifically.
Charlatans have been deceiving the gullible (and often themselves) with vague unsubstantiatable claims for ages.Diluting scientific knowledge with BS just makes more BS.
akaei0 10 months ago
@akaei0
Says WHO? YOU? Now THAT is real objectivity, ROTFL.
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How could ANYONE call Dawkins "objective?" What a JOKE!
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad
I'm sorry you didn't understand or were unable to read the entirety of my comment. Allow me to redress my comments in a way that will probably make more sense to you:
*Dear Amit Goswami and BlueDotProductions, Says WHO? YOU? Now THAT is real objectivity, ROTFL.*
Hopefully that vague response to the vague claims of the video will make more sense to you. As Goswami's claims are untestable we are free to assume they are at least meaningless and almost certainly untrue.
akaei0 10 months ago
@akaei0
There are BILLIONS of "untestable" realities around you. Does this FACT bother you? It most certainly doesn't make them "untrue".
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Considering the fact that OVER half of scientists believe in a God, it doesn't seem to bother them.
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I am glad we live in a world of Post-Materialist Science now, because the idiotic Dogmas of the past only discouraged diversity and ENCOURAGED fascism.
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad
The reason they are untestable is because they don't interact with matter or energy. If they did they would be testable. Since they don't, they are moot, at best.
If the mystical doesn't have access to us and we don't have access to it, hence: "untestable" it is meaningless or untrue.
I like fiction as much as the next person but wishful thinking doesn't make The Force, magic or quantum mysticism tangible or true.
It's 33% of scientists but that's still Argumentum ad populum.
akaei0 10 months ago
@akaei0
Argumentum populum? You pulled an arbitrary number like 33% out of thin air, never "tested" it AT ALL, and you have the nerve to post it here? ROTFLMAO
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No matter, your ideas are ancient, and Post-Materialist Science has won the day.
g4macdad 10 months ago
@akaei0
Is consciousness "testable"? Does it have matter? Has consciousness ever been tested? Post-Materialist Science makes atheists look VERY foolish, and they HATE it. LOL
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad
Do you really not know how to test for consciousness or are you implying consciousness is substantial rather than phenomenon? Wow
I don't feel foolish but perhaps I'm just a victim of the Dunning–Kruger effect . The only reason to hate the woo of charlatans is that it gives the gullible an opportunity to ingrain their ignorance and retard the entire species.
Dressing inane mysticism with science-y terms and then trying to undermine the validity of science and scientists..? Next?!
akaei0 10 months ago
@akaei0
I don't "hate" your JRF brand of "woo". I do get a hearty laugh out of it though.
g4macdad 10 months ago
@akaei0
Erm... "33% laughter," to be more succinct. ROTFLMAO
g4macdad 10 months ago
There are 2 sides of everytihing.
1) Man (not God) wrote a textbook which is called "The Bible".
2) Man also created science and not God.
Now choose a side.
ilyreggie 11 months ago
the central problem with any consciousness theory is that: as mahayana buddhism implies, reality is beyond consciousness, and gives the practical example of sleep-when you sleep everything" goes on", even though you are not conscious.
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ErfolgsSpieler 1 year ago
AMAZING TRUTHS THANK U FOR SPREADING THE TRUTH OF OUR DIVINITY
jazzaste123 1 year ago
Quantum Medicine and Energy Healing - The is a revolution going on in science.... be a part of it!
prosperitydoctor 1 year ago
There is 6,000 years of Study and explaing God to the World to man and little less than 20 years we decided that the 6K yrs. of explaining there is a God is wrong. We have a 6K yr. old operation manual explaining everything and then in little as 20 yr. we came up with the conclusion there is no God and this 6K Operater manual is wrong. Did we just get that smart with Evolution [flawed] on one side & 6K yrs. of study on the other showing is no God. Give me J.C. & the 6K yr. old operator Manual !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
@turtle4aire
unfortunately all religious manuals define physics which are then contradicted by their very own definitions, having them all as being pure BS, and if one does not discard them as such, they should at least should be treated as one does fairy-tales where much the same physics is also contradicted in much the same way..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare
That is "scientific" to you? NO WONDER!
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad
There we go!
Evidence to what brainwashing does to ones reasoning..
Let me suggest "g4macdad" you read my above message to turtleaire again, but this time take your time.. and please for your own sake, put aside defending religious rubbish and or contradictory presentations and concentrate on what may be fact, how about you start removing all contradictory constructs that your beliefs, reason and decisions are based upon, or are you so deep in BS its a lost cause?..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare
There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING scientific about what you said. "having them all as being pure BS," ROTFLMAO
It was pure opinion, with ZERO science. Like Dawkins.
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There has NEVER been a "flying spaghetti monster," and Dawkins made a whole book based on his biased OPINIONS, which atheist zealots clung to, like klingons on Uranus.
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad
Example of contradictions.
Genesis 1 verse 2,
The earth was WITHOUT FORM AND VOID, and darkness was upon the FACE OF THE DEEP; and the spirit of god was MOVING OVER THE WATERS.
Verse 3 And god said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT"
Ignoring the fact what would happen to a body of water if extra energy is introduced how many more contradictions are you able to point out?
I have it the more you are able to point out, the more intelligent you are, and as such are not easily swayed by it
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare
That PROVES your low intelligence. I would be willing to bet most of my life savings, that Amit Goswami's IQ is DOUBLE yours.
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Did you expect a book written several thousand years ago to use terms that were invented in the last two of three hundred years? WOW you are a true GENIUS.*rolls eyes*
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad
Yes indeed I do insist that the descriptions and defined physics of claimed all knowing god is to be FLAWLESS, as an all knowing god would never allow for contradictory physics, which BTW brings up a critical point, and that is an all knowing and I do stress ALL KNOWING god would have got it right from the get go, meaning every single event has to conform to defined and created physics, and not just bits of it, by implying an unknown factor is allowed for, A contradictory god..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare
How long is a Day? What determines the length of said "day"? Before the sun of the solar system existed, how long was a day?
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Some people are easily swayed by talk of spaghetti monsters and have NEVER had an original thought or concept.
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad
There you go! There's a contradiction, but whats the bet you simply wont be able to get to grips with it, in as to how, and now - How about the rest of those contradictions that is defined just in those first few passages of said manual compared with proven and established laws of physics..
For example consider the ocean and its current temperature and what would occur should more energy be introduced, and lets go back and apply that to the manuals contradictory scenario..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare
Your comments show that you are an illiterate Fox "News" IDIOT. Go away before you hurt yourself.
g4macdad 10 months ago
Sorry but Amit is wrong! As all that is possible must adhere to strict Physical rules in order it expresses a Truth statement..
For example 1+1=2 is a truth statement and therefore IS possible.
1+2=1 breaks a rule and therefore is impossible, UNLESS one is willing to except lies deceit as a bases for their reality, much like the religious ignore, contradictions and obvious lies..
KorAllRBare 1 year ago
@KorAllRBare - 'Adherence' to any rule can only be applied when there is an OBSERVER present to regulate the integrity & validity of the equation. As you've just demonstrated... both possiblities1+1=2 and 1+2=1 most definately exist concurrently. The perplexity is introduced when YOU(observer) analyze both & JUDGE which one u deem fit for your mental inbox, & so it was YOU who broke the rule to begin with! u lied to yourself!
xamehc 1 year ago
@xamehc -Indeed, As one is a truthful reality, whilst the other adheres to a reality more akin to some fairytale or religious construct, to which both "Fairytale" and "religious" constructs violate actual physics pertaining to TRUTH..
Put simple an observer if they wish live and base there entire life on a delusional reality or a factual reality or put simply base reality on the impossible opposed to what in fact is possible..
KorAllRBare 1 year ago
@KorAllRBare - hot+cold love+hate right+wrong truth+fairytale. If there is attachment & mis-idenification by the observer to ANY transient thought truths, the mind will be subject to duality & polarity thereof. Be it so called truthful-reality or other, ANY proposal formulated by the mental faculties are ALL half-truths. Again you introduce judgment which is right, but fudamentally & in its nature only half-right. Both equations r factually solid
xamehc 1 year ago
@xamehc - Thank you for confirming my reality is indeed based on the truth simply because its based on actual FACTS or the maths rather than on cheap philosophical rubbish..
Further more I find extremely amusing when someone relies on philosophy in defense of ones delusion!
KorAllRBare 1 year ago
@KorAllRBare - My last post is clearly unintelligible to u. The 'MATH' is complete & both equations are its components & in your JUDGEMENT u have disconfirmed you previous statement. Again, because u failed to comprehend the 1st time - not ONE but BOTH equations are sound. Berate personal attacks all u want, it obviously does give u some satisfaction ;]
xamehc 1 year ago
@xamehc -Say what? Are you admitting you rely on delusional reasoning ergo have taken on a personal offense and mind you by you own so called careful deliberation? Eh! Who am I to judge as to why anyone would ever do that to oneself? Never the less the two equations provide by me point out that one equation is a delusional fact and therefore not factual whilst the other equation is Factual.
KorAllRBare 1 year ago
@KorAllRBare - Thrice, true or false, the fault is not with either equation but with the JUDGE(you), and that is indubitably FACTUAL! man+woman=GIRL=FACT man+woman=BOY=FACT man+woman=TWINS=FACT. ALL are sound, regardless of sum factor & invloved characters. ALL equally coexist in the mathematical scheme & ALL are fruit of the same math-tree = FACT
xamehc 1 year ago
@xamehc In reality though and with no observer one equation implies the possible and the other the impossible. Observers who favour both equation imply the possible are good at decieving themselves "DELUSIONAL", while those who decipher the equations as one being factual and the other fictional have a superior reasoning to those who seem to warm to antics such as yourself.
FARKNELLE 1 year ago
@FARKNELLE - lol. With "no observer", as u put it, who is there, then, to JUDGE & REASON both the possible & the impossible??? The mere fact that u can perceive(observe) the 'JUDGE' in the first instance is proof that the perceiver is aloof from all mental activity. Looking at your post, I'm now sure that u don't have a proper understanding of what an observer is & its function.
xamehc 1 year ago
@xamehc
I will answer this for farknelle, seeing the youngster is not around any mo..
Fact - A lighting strikes, and no observer is there to observe and hear it, and yet it is observed 12 hours Later.. so even with no observer I am sorry to advise the event with out a doubt adhered to all laws of known physics by me...
The event is Fact no matter what..
and as 12 hours pass on..
The event is then observed, now if observation was observed or not on video 12 hours later
its a fact!
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@FARKNELLE - Was that it? ... oh please
xamehc 1 year ago
@xamehc
what childish stupidity! one male and one female are two!
Becuase A biological system defined as a man consists with x amount of mass or energy and a Bilogical system defined as a woman is also with an x amount of mass or energy, and on procreation, consumed energy assembles another biological system consisting of mass or energy, and in doing so - everything if PROPERLY measured will never compare favourably to your flawed equation, meaning your equation is flawed and thereby fiction
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare - OMG! u were gone so long I was about to send out a search party. Glad to see yr full of assembled energy mass etc., oh but wait... isn't that what the universe, recorded lightning strikes, and every known thing is made up of? O.M. DOUBLE G!!! But even so, and with all the worlds systems and orders, it all comes to an end when u go to sleep. No observer, no judge, no energy, NO NOTHING!!! Back to my very 1st post, all systems rise & exist with the observer present. FACT
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc
How about spewing out some facts rather than spewing out BS and then attempting to imply BS as being Factual?
As for your physical construct with regards to your observer dictating actual physical events being dependent on said observer, its simply impossible as all physics needs to conform and comply to all else at all times, and not to implied observer, nut job and or whack job who think the whole Universe revolves just around their puny reality..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Well can you prove the worlds validity whilst in deep sleep?... Allow me to answer what you & I both know... a whopping elephantine "NO!!!".... And why is that? Well because whack job or not, whilst in deep sleep you know absolutely "NO-thing"... = INFALIBLE FACT
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc
comment as much as you like, All Mass must adhere to all else if it is fact, So I must point out, conscious observation or or not, the makeup of my mass which interacts with all other mass that in return defines itself as a fact via the Laws Of Physics simply must conform and comply as facts do!..
But then I don't expect the average schmo to understand Basic Physics let alone advanced Physics..
To which - More than likely you still will have further ridiculous comments to make..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Hahahaha thanks for introducing physics - Superposition just blew your whole argument out of the youtube scope! Here's another one to keep you busy, tell me there Mr Physicist... according to the Law of Physics, what exactly is MASS??? hehehehe
Oh I bet you feel really superior now?!... By the looks of it you just got served by an average schmo
Thanks... it's been an absolute joy!
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc The Entire Universe is made up of whatever you like, although Science and Physics has defined it as Energy via "Mass Energy Equivalence" or if you prefer the Maths E=Mc^2, So if we wish your reality to be consistent with facts then Energy or "E" has to be your prime divisional Dimension
And before you quip with yet another rebuke, keep in mind all the technological advances that you use on a daily basis, all have been made possible by Science and Physicist gaining factual knowledge
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare - Apologies Korallrbare, please check the comments. I responded to your last post.
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc
Your apology was already anticipated as are the following comments from others that have as yet to be compelled by the Universe to do so, Oh BTW - its my turn to apologise to you, as what just transpired just had to happen, for the sake of all those easily decieved and or brainwashed..
BTW - You DO have a valid point, but mind you - ONLY if the greater Picture is NOT considered or NOT quite clearly understood, which for that reason is why my stance will always remain a fact..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare - You're not putting up much of a fight. Swim between the flags dude & just stick to the main points so we can move this thing right along!
Even with the greatest of understanding, apperceptive capacity & logic reasoning of any picture, whole or part, ALL WILL COLLAPSE when you enter deep sleep.
& back again to my point of argument...
The picture, whole or part, must have an observer present in order for it to be seen!
Thank you.
xamehc 10 months ago
@xamehc
Thats because facts dont need defending
and as for your inference to sleep changing facts
the facts are It doesnt!
And you can prove that for your self
via the use of a Camcorder or someone else
That my friend is what facts are all about
its details that complies to what mass is bound to adhere to in its presentation to ALL ELSE
Thats every force and every velocity defining said force where it simply adheres to the laws that define it as being possible with/out observation.
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@xamehc
Thats with or with out any observers! Got that!??
If not do the maths!
The Universe consists of X lets define X equals a massive unknown quantity of Energy
Whats important here is that everything possible is possible via this quantity of Energy, and seeing all that is possible is in deed being referred to, then we are indeed referring to 100% of the Universe, and if we divide up this energy to present whatever whats left MUST reciprocate and present else
There is no way around this.
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare With respect, I think you may have misunderstood the point of what is being said.
If you wish to understand the idea behind all this fully I would suggest reading of one Prof Amit Goswami's books.
best wishes
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401
whats key "HERE" and in the "VIDEO" is that, a deliberate deception is in play, thereby attacking actual facts having them implied to be with a given degree of uncertainty, but the facts are the implied constructs are based on a flawed theory which BTW was developed and introduced into Physics by religious establishments or Religiously funded Universities. Unfortunately though, once the Theory is refined so that it conforms to all current flawless theories it proves there is no god!
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KTK401
continued from above, This would have this video and this threads contributors attempts to instill and or brainwash the weak minded with a whole lot of mumbo jumbo, as a complete waste of time, money and resources as it just may end up doing the opposite to what the video was intended for, no matter what though religion is doomed I guess, what with intelligence gaining superiority over each generation born and provided with factual information rather than the current religiuous tripe..
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare Nosense.
Amit Goswami arrived at his conclusions (theory) independently of other who found the same.
He is a Hindu and has no affiliation with any "religiously funded universities" & it hasn't been "developed and introduced into Physics by religious establishments"
He has found it through existing scientific facts.
Prof Goswami has not changed anything in existing scientific thinking.
I see you don't actually understand anything he is actually saying in his book on the subject
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401
Any one that makes reference to constructs of a god or gods and or even some form of intellect with out conforming to some evolved physical attributes is assumming, and as such all Theories, Concepts and Contructs based on such NONSENSE will always be found to be flawed and or open to debate, as the backbone or main abstract to said theoery may just as well be a magical Warlock or Witch!
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare "Unfortunately though, once the Theory is refined so that it conforms to all current flawless theories it proves there is no god! "
What utter nonsense.
To me it proves there is a God.
To you it doesn't prove there is no God, you just don't want to believe & are entrenched in your position & therefore looking for excuses to attack the theory being presented.
As stated above, there is nothing in what Prof Goswami is saying that is not established already as fact!
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401
REALLY! - Prey tell, How does it prove a god then? What abstracts, dimensions and to what equation proves said stance?
I will have it, implied stance has no basis other than being based on the exposure to religious constructs and ways of reasoning.. And as such as long as one is unable to provide evidence implied stance is null and void, of course I concede though that all the BS may still deceive most half or near zero wits!
And if you are one of those, just keep defending the BS!
KorAllRBare 10 months ago
@KorAllRBare Prey? wtf are you talking about?
Unified Field Theory tells us that the universe is actually comprised of "potential particles" (waves of potential) which originate from the same essence as consciousness or "thought" and have no true physical reality, Indeed the sub atomic particles simply come in and out of existence & non existence. I'm a physics student myself.
Hate to spoil it for u, but aside from your dysfunctional personality traits, you have offered me nothing!
KTK401 6 months ago
@KTK401 - That's OK KT401,
If so called Physicist are capable of overlooking critical constructs in favour of religion, then what chance is there for a Student who may have been provided corrupt information from them, ever going to prove something - that in reality violates actual Physics? I repeat what evidence can you provide other than past contradictions?
KorAllRBare 6 months ago
@KorAllRBare Nobody has done so. However the philosophy behind belief (& non belief) is inevitably always going to be based on the "physical" universe around us as the starting point
No one has written theories in Physics to suit religion.
But outside Physics & in Faith, speculating upon existing, proven science is not only natural, it is sensible.
What I stated are actual facts. No one has made anything up.
regards.
KTK401 6 months ago
@KTK401, Let me stress to consider all three of your above messages along with my responses, and then all three of my following responses along with all three of your messages below as evidence to your contradictions..
KorAllRBare 6 months ago
@KorAllRBare LOL.
KTK401 5 months ago
@KTK401, There we go!. a nervous laugh, BTW KT401 - I am wondering, just how much more you know with regards to THEORETICAL "Virtual Particles"? I ask - because as a Physicist with all the latest data, one should be aware of the how and why in the past one would have been left with the conviction theoretical particles simply popped in and out of existence, and when I mentioned it - as if lacking critical data a few days ago, that extra data was not referred to or provided by you, I wonder why
KorAllRBare 5 months ago
@KorAllRBare LOOOL!
Hmmm, what are you talking about??!
KTK401 5 months ago
@KTK401
LOL what a Joke! Something can never end up being Nothing, likewise Nothing can only ever be Nothing!
therefore "Theoretical Particles": as implied by you to magically exist and cease to exist, are as such in violation to to basic and fundamental Physics!..
Is it any wonder Physics is at a stand still!
KorAllRBare 6 months ago
@KorAllRBare Actually physics is advancing at a phenomenal rate.
"as implied by you to magically exist and cease to exist"
Actually that is happening right now. In every wave/particle in the universe.
Something is basically nothing. If you don't understand physics well enough then lease don't waste my time.
regards
KTK401 6 months ago
@KTK401
What nonsense! - Its obvious your studies have touched upon some very basic QM, but alas even that seems was inadequate, mind you that's not your fault but the fault of your mentor or professor, so if I were you, I would approach your professor and get the bigger picture on it, because magic simply is not possible.. Oh and once its been clarified to you - youre welcome, nothing worse than referring to a half Rs'd Construct..
KorAllRBare 6 months ago
@KorAllRBare You are just blathering now. You are giving me nothing but rubbish, and ranting and raving at that.
Nobody said this is "magic". It is the function of the universe.
Heisenberg, Bohm, Schrödinger etc all believed the same.
Stop wasting my time please!
KTK401 5 months ago
@KTK401 And if I may add for a wave to rise and fall, Mass or Energy is key here, having said that, here's a hint I will provide to what is really going on - by referring to a closed system, with an unknown quanta of Energy or Mass, to which - should it express a wave particle duality via 2 dimensions, to disappear and reappear elsewhere within the system, the Total Energy of the system at all times does not change, therefore to refer just to virtual particles is by way of gross lacking data
KorAllRBare 5 months ago
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@KorAllRBare "And if I may add for a wave to rise and fall, Mass or Energy is key here".....*rolls eyes
"wave particle duality via 2 dimensions, to disappear and reappear elsewhere within the system, the Total Energy of the system at all times does not change,".....*slaps forehead...
"therefore to refer just to virtual particles is by way of gross lacking data "....
LOL. Dude just forget it, you are so far off course I'm not going to waste my time.
KTK401 5 months ago
@KorAllRBare Unless you are going to break down the science and critique it properly (which is based on proven, established facts in the world of physics) don't waste any more of my time!
You sound like you think there is a "conspiracy theory" by these physicists!
I bet you've never even read this book!
regards
KTK401 6 months ago
@KTK401 No I havent, but before you huff N Puff - May I remind you that I am responding to the above video..
KorAllRBare 6 months ago
@KorAllRBare Not sure what you are saying here, but I assume it is in relation to reading the book.
I was responding to your previous messages to me, and my recommendation to you, to read the book.
If you haven't already done so, it's worth the time.
regards
KTK401 6 months ago
@KTK401
If its anything close or like the above video, then I dont think I would waste my money on it, or worse waste my time in bothering some librarians precious time to borrow it..
KorAllRBare 6 months ago
@KorAllRBare Oh ok .....LOL.
KTK401 5 months ago
@KorAllRBare Sorry but YOU are wrong! Have you ever heard of the; Measurement Problem?
At the Atomic and Sub-Atomic level, ALL of the physical laws fly straight out the window. Learn about something BEFORE you make a fool out of yourself with a comment like that, next time.
g4macdad 10 months ago
@g4macdad I am quite aware of comparisons being inaccurate, but facts or whatever is measured remains as is.
Put simply - the act of comparison may distort result, perception or measurement, but never ever the fact.
And as for Physical laws flying out the window at some point in the current theoretical scale, I insist once Quantum mechanics has been refined to comply to all other physical theories such as relativity for one, It will become obvious Physical laws are indeed applied too.
KorAllRBare 10 months ago