10/07/11 Occupy WallStreet and Integral Politics with Jeff Salzman - Ken Wilber Integral News

[DarkMoonDroid]

I love it that I'm seeing this audeo showcased in the channel of someone who is concerned about the One-World-Government pointed out by the Bible. The irony is so delightful.

[janinetrue]

It was said that mainstream people don't give traction to the Green analysis that corporations are a big problem because the standard of living of so many in the last century has risen. Is this claim based on a poll, I wonder, or upon what data?

It is impossible to know how our standard of living would have risen without corporate dominance, so even if it is true that many people equate corporate action with economic prosperity, this is very likely a correlation fallacy.

[DarkMoonDroid]

@janinetrue

So true, Janine. When Jeff said America is productive, even tho it is unemployed, I had to choke. We are so conditioned to minimize and ignore the gross confusion of profit and productivity that we have lost all of our reference points for reality. These guys are way too tolerant of blatant disregard for truth.

[DarkMoonDroid]

@DarkMoonDroid

Also,

I think they are correct in guessing that "Mainstream" = unconcerned about corporate corruption and greed and its invasion into our governing process because they aren't feeling the hurt. Remember, "Mainstream" is very "conventional" and traditional in their minds. Mainstream is not the voice who is speaking loudest right now. Mainstream is generally silent because they know that they already have it in the bag. Most of the Voices we're hearing now are post-conventional.

[MKeller4033]

Boomeritis Green confuses itself with Integral, all the time. This is a great example.

[DarkMoonDroid]

@MKeller4033

It also confuses itself with Orange "maximizing self-interest" all the time too.

[DemocracyIsOverrated]

Integral can weave a wonderful story from "messy" history, but how good is it at successfully predicting anything? If the record of the latter is poor lined up against, say, the Austrian School of economics (Mises, Peter Schiff) in seeing massive icebergs ahead, isn't it time Integral were a lot more careful with the chains of causality it assumes in examining history?

eg. Wealth inequality causing Great Depression and recent economic problems - WHAT?!? Does Jeff honestly believe that?

[DarkMoonDroid]

@DemocracyIsOverrated

Jeff Salzman is NOT "Integral". "Integral" meaning the organization and/or the idea. Jeff Salzman is just Jeff Salzman.