Incredibly lame. Updated effects never work, because they never update everything else that looks like it was filmed in the 60's - the cheap sets, the bad continuity, all kinds of stuff. To say nothing of the fact that the show has a very particular aesthetic with regards to colour balance because of the film it was shot on. The CG that people keep pumping out doesn't have the grain or the bright colours - just looks like a shitty videogame.
Its nice to see things updated, but only if the enhancements fit in well with the original footage. ST:TMP and the original series has been treated with the utmost care and repsect - because the cgi is seemless. For historical purposes, though, its wise to keep copies of the originals.
The Star Wars special editions, on the other hand, were an almighty fuck up and Return of the Jedi is now lost to me.
Why can't people accept the old series for what they are, and not have to "upgrade" all the time? This was the "art" of the day, and like colorizing all the old classic movies, it's an insult to the people who did the originals.
@Mozart1220 No, it's not about "replacing" what was there. It's about making it easier to have high quality versions for archiving and showing the future. Not many people realize this, but old film breaks down, degrades in poor conditions, gets lost, burnt in fires, and all sorts of other things. By having digital copies derived from the originals, it makes it harder to totally lose a show. Many movies and entire tv shows will NEVER be seen again because they weren't archived.
@justanotherdude New copies can be made without replacing scenes with new ones. If you are "archiving" as you claim, why change the original? Isn't showing the "future" the real thing important?
@Mozart1220 the original effects were painted and projected ONTO the actual negatives, meaning it's practically impossible to retain when re-mastering. They figured, why not update the special effects instead of going through and painfully recreating outdated sfx.
@Mozart1220 your DVD copies aren't remastered. Transferring videos to DVD is easy and cheap, your DVD copies are the original episodes in a digital format, but roughly the same resolution. The old effects would have looked notably worse in the remastered versions.
@justanotherdude So why remaster at all? They look fine to me. But then, I am not a kid who thinks it's all about the graphics. Not everything has to be "remade" every five years to satisfy shallow people.
@Mozart1220 listen, we can agree to disagree. We both have made valid points, but I don't think it's fair of you to assume I'm "some kid who thinks it's all about the graphics". Personally, I'm a huge fan of TOS, and I was just trying to bring up the reasons why this was done. the people who did this obviously respect and LOVE star trek. The 3D enterprise was made from measurements taken of the model in the smithsonian. Try to keep an open mind, as this will open star trek up to new people.
@justanotherdude New people should be satisfied with the originals. They should not need "modern graphics". This was the ART of the day, and I find it insulting to those people that"new versions" are being sold. If you don't like the originals, don't watch them. BTW..."agree to disagree" is a stupid phrase.
@Mozart1220 You're obviously determined to be a stubborn troll rather than have an adult conversation, So this will be my last say in the matter. I find it funny that you're "insulted" by the fact that CBS, Star Trek IP owner, had Michael Okuda (Who worked on TNG, and for FREAKING NASA) lovingly restore the entire series. Maybe I wasn't clear enough before, but the original effects were very, very POOR quality since they were applied to the actual frames. That means it would look even WORSE than
@justanotherdude All I know is that I have the origials on DVD and they look fine. They do not need to replace the effects. They do it so shallow people who are obsessed with "perfect graphics" will watch. If you don't like the originals, don't watch them, but don''t butcher them so children will be happy.
@Mozart1220 Wow, that was quick. I'm on right now, so I'll respond AGAIN and try to make you consider the facts. DVD IS NOT HIGH DEFINITION. They look FINE on DVD because it's NOT HIGH DEFINITION. They don't do this for children, how many children do you know that would watch star trek even if it was completely CGI? It's a show for a mature audience, and remastering was done as a service to the fans. As you're so keen to point out, you've got your cute little DVD collection, now run along and
@Mozart1220 how they looked on TV. The resolution of the original series is in between 360 and 480p, meaning the special effects at the time could be less detailed. But when you scan those 35mm negatives in, the resolution is nearly tripled, resulting in HUGE BLURRY effects. While this isn't true of ALL the effects, it's a good enough reason to try to present as clean a version as possible. If you believe this decision was made too hastily and doesn't respect "the ART of the day" (as you're so
@Mozart1220 so now it's a TV show? what happened to The ART of the day? you see what I mean? it's ridiculous that you even debated me over this. We're obviously BOTH star trek fans.
@justanotherdude It is still just a TV show and for those people who worked on it it was their ART. It is insulting to them to suggest what they did isn't good enough. I'm just saying, leave them alone to be what they are. Be satisfied. If you need things "upgraded" every few years watch Star Wars.
@Mozart1220 I will agree 100% about the star wars comment, but it's not insulting to the sfx artists. The new special effects are homages to the original sfx. they're based on the actual sfx generated during the originals.
@justanotherdude But they are NOT the originals because THOSE aren't GOOD ENOUGH for you are they? Just admit you are shallow and we'll be done. If you don't like the early shows watch Star Wars. Lucas remakes all his movies and you guys buy them up.
@Mozart1220 fond of saying) then you're a fool. Love and care was put into the restoration, much more love than your negative comments reflect. If you think you can do better, feel free, there's a multitude of software out there used to upscale footage and video. Or, you can be a rational human being, and just not buy the remastered series. Believe it or not, some see this as a well-done homage and tribute to the original series. I'm sure none of the actors would mind that a group of people
@Mozart1220 insured that their legacy as the original Star Trek crew would be further cemented. Whether you like to face the fact or not, to keep star trek alive, we need new fans. I'm only 21, when I was born TNG was still on TV. by the time I was old enough to watch and enjoy, DS9 was on it's 2nd or 3rd season. Now imagine someone born today; There's no show on right now to get them sucked into the universe. And you're right, some people are superficial and will only watch something with
@Mozart1220 decent graphics, but so what? after they initially see a few episodes, maybe they'll be so intrigued, they'll look up the unmastered versions. It's not like CBS is going around destroying the originals so you can't be happy, they're providing a choice for the consumer. So, to recap, because I really do not want to continue this discussion, you're a close-minded "fan" who's so selfish that the idea of remastered episodes made available for sale personally offends you, and you had no
@Mozart1220 oh, I almost forgot. You're right, agree to disagree is a poor choice of words as it should only be used by adults who understand what they're talking about. Let's agree that you're an ass pimple on the Trek community.
@edd217 i loved enterprise after the first season or so.. really started getting good towards the end, too.. better than others before it, darker...and then the morons axe it and dont consider the millions of DVDs they could've sold of seasons 5, 6 and 7 if they had made them.
not like paramount or cbs need money... could throw 60 million dollars away on 3 seasons of star trek without a problem, and RAKE it in internationally from DVD and TV sales... where are the businessmen?
The footage from "In A Mirror, Darkly Pt2" of the Defiant should have been used for the Enterprise as well in the CGI-remastered TOS as it really does look superb...
Yeah, I read somewhere it was because Roddenberry was a Navy pilot in WWII. It also said he wanted to name the original ship the Yorktown because it was the carrier he served on. (LOL, I love trivia.)
Roddenberry was in the Army Air Corp flying bombers, not the Navy. He thought of Starfleet in a space navy kind of way, with ships like the Enterprise being like the carriers in the pacific. He wanted the Yorktown name originally, but thought later that Enterprise was best, due to its record in WW2, plus there being a new (at the time) Nuclear Powered Enterprise.
In the early days the Defiant was listed a a valiant class ship, but then someone on screen called it a "Defiant class ship", and screen trumps paper. I was annoyed by that, because I always liked to believe that the Valiant was the prototype that "Tore itself apart" in testing. Alas no - and then we see the valiant in one piece in "Valiant".
Because their intent with TOS-R was to make it look as if it had been shot in 1966 with enough money, not to modernize all the SFX. And honestly, I liked that they did that. It might be CGI now, but it looked authentic.
They did the same thing with the additional SFX in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture- The Director's Cut"- make it look as if shot in 1979, and restore/complete the original effects.
I think in the next decade we can expect to see the original series remastered with new special effects and digital corrections. Aliens that look more realistic etc.
@DeimosSaturn they already did that, though...? the remastering... i doubt very much that they would replace aliens with cgi creations or newly shot footage, like lucas did with star wars - it's just not practical, nor is it a palpable solution because fans will hate it.
@DeimosSaturn You're probably right, but I hope they don't go too far. Any new effects should be less like the Star Wars: Special Edition and more like Star Trek: Phase II or Of Gods and Men.
I really like those effects. The thing about the original series is, they are constantly at warp speed. the only time the Enterprise used impulse speed was when she was damaged. In TOS they used warp factor for everything, to battle, to travel, to maneuver. The best proof of this would be the M-5 episode.
there's that shot, that ship is beautiful. now here's a challenge for you, can youuse that shot, and make the ship go to warp tng style at the end? i can give you the perfect sound effect.
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Yewon2001 2 months ago
actually the video he used was from star trek enterprise, episode in a mirror darkly..
Lichbane1 3 months ago
Incredibly lame. Updated effects never work, because they never update everything else that looks like it was filmed in the 60's - the cheap sets, the bad continuity, all kinds of stuff. To say nothing of the fact that the show has a very particular aesthetic with regards to colour balance because of the film it was shot on. The CG that people keep pumping out doesn't have the grain or the bright colours - just looks like a shitty videogame.
Zebonka 4 months ago
Yes, absolutely update the fx.
louisalectube 4 months ago
nicely done :)
scars2k2 4 months ago
Its nice to see things updated, but only if the enhancements fit in well with the original footage. ST:TMP and the original series has been treated with the utmost care and repsect - because the cgi is seemless. For historical purposes, though, its wise to keep copies of the originals.
The Star Wars special editions, on the other hand, were an almighty fuck up and Return of the Jedi is now lost to me.
SamusDrake 5 months ago
Why can't people accept the old series for what they are, and not have to "upgrade" all the time? This was the "art" of the day, and like colorizing all the old classic movies, it's an insult to the people who did the originals.
Mozart1220 6 months ago
@Mozart1220 mozart that sprobablty why i havent bought the star trek original series. i want the un upgraded ones.
22centman36 6 months ago
@Mozart1220 No, it's not about "replacing" what was there. It's about making it easier to have high quality versions for archiving and showing the future. Not many people realize this, but old film breaks down, degrades in poor conditions, gets lost, burnt in fires, and all sorts of other things. By having digital copies derived from the originals, it makes it harder to totally lose a show. Many movies and entire tv shows will NEVER be seen again because they weren't archived.
justanotherdude 5 months ago 2
@justanotherdude New copies can be made without replacing scenes with new ones. If you are "archiving" as you claim, why change the original? Isn't showing the "future" the real thing important?
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 the original effects were painted and projected ONTO the actual negatives, meaning it's practically impossible to retain when re-mastering. They figured, why not update the special effects instead of going through and painfully recreating outdated sfx.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@justanotherdude Funny, I have a DVD set of originals and the effects look just fine.
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 your DVD copies aren't remastered. Transferring videos to DVD is easy and cheap, your DVD copies are the original episodes in a digital format, but roughly the same resolution. The old effects would have looked notably worse in the remastered versions.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@justanotherdude So why remaster at all? They look fine to me. But then, I am not a kid who thinks it's all about the graphics. Not everything has to be "remade" every five years to satisfy shallow people.
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 listen, we can agree to disagree. We both have made valid points, but I don't think it's fair of you to assume I'm "some kid who thinks it's all about the graphics". Personally, I'm a huge fan of TOS, and I was just trying to bring up the reasons why this was done. the people who did this obviously respect and LOVE star trek. The 3D enterprise was made from measurements taken of the model in the smithsonian. Try to keep an open mind, as this will open star trek up to new people.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@justanotherdude New people should be satisfied with the originals. They should not need "modern graphics". This was the ART of the day, and I find it insulting to those people that"new versions" are being sold. If you don't like the originals, don't watch them. BTW..."agree to disagree" is a stupid phrase.
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 You're obviously determined to be a stubborn troll rather than have an adult conversation, So this will be my last say in the matter. I find it funny that you're "insulted" by the fact that CBS, Star Trek IP owner, had Michael Okuda (Who worked on TNG, and for FREAKING NASA) lovingly restore the entire series. Maybe I wasn't clear enough before, but the original effects were very, very POOR quality since they were applied to the actual frames. That means it would look even WORSE than
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@justanotherdude All I know is that I have the origials on DVD and they look fine. They do not need to replace the effects. They do it so shallow people who are obsessed with "perfect graphics" will watch. If you don't like the originals, don't watch them, but don''t butcher them so children will be happy.
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 Wow, that was quick. I'm on right now, so I'll respond AGAIN and try to make you consider the facts. DVD IS NOT HIGH DEFINITION. They look FINE on DVD because it's NOT HIGH DEFINITION. They don't do this for children, how many children do you know that would watch star trek even if it was completely CGI? It's a show for a mature audience, and remastering was done as a service to the fans. As you're so keen to point out, you've got your cute little DVD collection, now run along and
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 how they looked on TV. The resolution of the original series is in between 360 and 480p, meaning the special effects at the time could be less detailed. But when you scan those 35mm negatives in, the resolution is nearly tripled, resulting in HUGE BLURRY effects. While this isn't true of ALL the effects, it's a good enough reason to try to present as clean a version as possible. If you believe this decision was made too hastily and doesn't respect "the ART of the day" (as you're so
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 let the grown ups watch their star trek.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@justanotherdude Grown ups do, and without re making everything so children won't be bored. It's just a TV show after all.
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 so now it's a TV show? what happened to The ART of the day? you see what I mean? it's ridiculous that you even debated me over this. We're obviously BOTH star trek fans.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@justanotherdude It is still just a TV show and for those people who worked on it it was their ART. It is insulting to them to suggest what they did isn't good enough. I'm just saying, leave them alone to be what they are. Be satisfied. If you need things "upgraded" every few years watch Star Wars.
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 I will agree 100% about the star wars comment, but it's not insulting to the sfx artists. The new special effects are homages to the original sfx. they're based on the actual sfx generated during the originals.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@justanotherdude But they are NOT the originals because THOSE aren't GOOD ENOUGH for you are they? Just admit you are shallow and we'll be done. If you don't like the early shows watch Star Wars. Lucas remakes all his movies and you guys buy them up.
Mozart1220 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 fond of saying) then you're a fool. Love and care was put into the restoration, much more love than your negative comments reflect. If you think you can do better, feel free, there's a multitude of software out there used to upscale footage and video. Or, you can be a rational human being, and just not buy the remastered series. Believe it or not, some see this as a well-done homage and tribute to the original series. I'm sure none of the actors would mind that a group of people
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 insured that their legacy as the original Star Trek crew would be further cemented. Whether you like to face the fact or not, to keep star trek alive, we need new fans. I'm only 21, when I was born TNG was still on TV. by the time I was old enough to watch and enjoy, DS9 was on it's 2nd or 3rd season. Now imagine someone born today; There's no show on right now to get them sucked into the universe. And you're right, some people are superficial and will only watch something with
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 decent graphics, but so what? after they initially see a few episodes, maybe they'll be so intrigued, they'll look up the unmastered versions. It's not like CBS is going around destroying the originals so you can't be happy, they're providing a choice for the consumer. So, to recap, because I really do not want to continue this discussion, you're a close-minded "fan" who's so selfish that the idea of remastered episodes made available for sale personally offends you, and you had no
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 part in the original shows creation. You're upset for illogical reasons, Spock would be disappointed.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
@Mozart1220 oh, I almost forgot. You're right, agree to disagree is a poor choice of words as it should only be used by adults who understand what they're talking about. Let's agree that you're an ass pimple on the Trek community.
justanotherdude 5 months ago
cool warp effect
MrJced 7 months ago
That was from the episodes "In a Mirror Darkly" from Star Trek: Enterprise. But the ship never looked better. :)
professorfirefly 9 months ago
Is SULU playing whac-a-mole @ 0:06?
coolvidzman 11 months ago 5
Tricky to get this just so.
Too modern and it looks out of place.
This one is absolutely spot on the money.
Well done chaps.
AshtonPhoto 1 year ago
@edd217 i loved enterprise after the first season or so.. really started getting good towards the end, too.. better than others before it, darker...and then the morons axe it and dont consider the millions of DVDs they could've sold of seasons 5, 6 and 7 if they had made them.
not like paramount or cbs need money... could throw 60 million dollars away on 3 seasons of star trek without a problem, and RAKE it in internationally from DVD and TV sales... where are the businessmen?
hcvang 1 year ago
This would have been amazing.
thefoursidescomic 1 year ago
I was hoping for the hyperspace we saw in the new movie
LegoFreakPictures 1 year ago
Hahaha 0:08 is hilarious.
Lazyguy22 1 year ago
Where was the warp effect?
Wheeljack35 1 year ago
I like that fx. Looks great.
Holmes245 1 year ago
Hey, that's really well done!
BreakawayPaul 1 year ago
0:07 Shouldn't the buttons be making some kind of beeping sound when Sulu hits them?
Audioquest56 2 years ago 2
That is cool. But I've become a fan of the latest Star Trek warp and beaming effects.
Still top notch job though.
Perktube1 2 years ago
@Perktube1 the warp drive is great the beaming effect however is ridiculous in the new movie
sondano 2 years ago
The footage from "In A Mirror, Darkly Pt2" of the Defiant should have been used for the Enterprise as well in the CGI-remastered TOS as it really does look superb...
Graham2271 2 years ago 4
Sulu's buttons don't make any beeping sounds. We can hear his finger thumping against the console.
spacecowboy5000 2 years ago 2
Looks fine to me. Doesn't "stick out" - I wonder what she'd look like doing the "Rubber band to bright flash" jump to warp speed....
TG626 2 years ago
The defiant was called the Valiant before it was changed for Sisko.
CHRISTINKER86 2 years ago
Yeah, sort of like the Lexington becomineg the Enterprise-A for Kirk.
xylaphonemaster 2 years ago
wasn't that the Yorktown (NCC-1717)
richgarn79 2 years ago 2
Could've been actually, I have trouble remembering sometimes. They were all named after aircraft carriers for a while it seemed.
xylaphonemaster 2 years ago
yes it seemed the tradition for some time did that
richgarn79 2 years ago
Yeah, I read somewhere it was because Roddenberry was a Navy pilot in WWII. It also said he wanted to name the original ship the Yorktown because it was the carrier he served on. (LOL, I love trivia.)
DocLeggz 2 years ago 2
@DocLeggz
Roddenberry was in the Army Air Corp flying bombers, not the Navy. He thought of Starfleet in a space navy kind of way, with ships like the Enterprise being like the carriers in the pacific. He wanted the Yorktown name originally, but thought later that Enterprise was best, due to its record in WW2, plus there being a new (at the time) Nuclear Powered Enterprise.
ohrubberpup 1 year ago 2
Nice! you should do the same but with the new warp jump from Star Trek XI
ZkinandBonez 2 years ago
the defiant was also a constitution class ship, so dnt say it was only a defiant class ship, coz it was both
AlexOoiue 2 years ago
Actually the Defiant isn't a Defiant class it is a Valiant class starship.
CHRISTINKER86 2 years ago
Actually, it wasn't.
TLM0001 2 years ago
Yes it is as i have a book about the ships.
CHRISTINKER86 2 years ago
In the early days the Defiant was listed a a valiant class ship, but then someone on screen called it a "Defiant class ship", and screen trumps paper. I was annoyed by that, because I always liked to believe that the Valiant was the prototype that "Tore itself apart" in testing. Alas no - and then we see the valiant in one piece in "Valiant".
Destructor111 2 years ago
that is cool. looks good.
crucialconflict02 2 years ago
That was awsome (in its simplicity) i wonder why they didnt do that in the remastered version.
ZkinandBonez 2 years ago 23
@ZkinandBonez
Because their intent with TOS-R was to make it look as if it had been shot in 1966 with enough money, not to modernize all the SFX. And honestly, I liked that they did that. It might be CGI now, but it looked authentic.
They did the same thing with the additional SFX in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture- The Director's Cut"- make it look as if shot in 1979, and restore/complete the original effects.
EVAUnit4A 7 months ago
I think in the next decade we can expect to see the original series remastered with new special effects and digital corrections. Aliens that look more realistic etc.
DeimosSaturn 2 years ago 19
I have the remastered version first season on dvd.
They have made everthing much better. The ship, soundtrack, picture, aliens..
UFOfiles555 2 years ago 4
What about your mom? Did they make her better? She was ok to begin with, but if she was remastered?! She'd be UNBELIEVABLY hot!
thanks51 2 years ago
@DeimosSaturn they already did that, though...? the remastering... i doubt very much that they would replace aliens with cgi creations or newly shot footage, like lucas did with star wars - it's just not practical, nor is it a palpable solution because fans will hate it.
hcvang 1 year ago
@DeimosSaturn You're probably right, but I hope they don't go too far. Any new effects should be less like the Star Wars: Special Edition and more like Star Trek: Phase II or Of Gods and Men.
Calriec 7 months ago
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lol how could u not agree with my last comment about saucer seperation for the TOS and whoever gave my last comment a 1- is an idiot
FLAME4564 3 years ago
I really like those effects. The thing about the original series is, they are constantly at warp speed. the only time the Enterprise used impulse speed was when she was damaged. In TOS they used warp factor for everything, to battle, to travel, to maneuver. The best proof of this would be the M-5 episode.
CapnE 3 years ago
I think they were way to conservative with the effects in the remastered tos.
psxwarrior 3 years ago
I like it. I often wondered why they didn't incorporate it in.
eagle219406 3 years ago
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FLAME4564 3 years ago
agree with other comments! hopefully they used something similar in the remastered version. season 2 is coming!
retro38 4 years ago
The at-warp clip is from the Mirror Universe episodes of ENT, right?
werwolf23 4 years ago 3
Yup. I'll bet.
psxwarrior 3 years ago
and that's actually the USS Defiant
piplupsingularity 2 years ago
The USS Defiant is a Defiant class vessel if I'm not very much mistaken. The ship in this video is NOT a Defiant class vessel.
leeham991 2 years ago
Actually that IS the Defiant.
It's the one from TOS that was inter-spacially trapped.
Put together by the great effects team EDEN FX
: )
SpockBoy 2 years ago
Yeah, I was hoping they'd do this in Remastered. Looks good, and not out of place with the TOS style.
jovantheun1337 4 years ago
sulu just taped the consoule like 4 times didnt even hit a button im likeing how the enterprise dosnt sound like its in the air insted of space
prstn 4 years ago
there's that shot, that ship is beautiful. now here's a challenge for you, can youuse that shot, and make the ship go to warp tng style at the end? i can give you the perfect sound effect.
neomp5 4 years ago
Really nice.
Artanis07 4 years ago
Nice mix of the FX shot from "Enterprise," SpockBoy. That's actually something like I was hoping for with Trek Remastered. Good work!
buckaroohawk 4 years ago