GBS: The Gospel According to John Chapter 3

[JDrosa1982]

Thats a mistranslation its born from above.

[digibits5000]

awesome videos!

[digibits5000]

awesome videos! your insight in is very refreshing

[polopowers1]

You forgot not only are wisdom teeth a pain but the brain which is diseased. Yet used by this guy to determine to use for his eternal destiny.He is not powerless but trusts the body of corruption to figure out.You are a better judge to determine justice perfect from a diseaesd brain .Go for it dude disqualify the body than trust it for what might be perfect justice.Hitler can't believe .Salvation is not subjective to human will You don't believe,preach your justice and salvation for man.

[aajoeyjo]

Yep, Jesus was a total jerkoff in John 3:18. Christians like to talk about how nice he was in the previous sentiment, but if they seriously don't want to be reminded of his very next sentiment, they're only human.

It's the Christians who strongly support John 3:18 who scare me. You're right morsecode, it's totally unjust to set up all of humanity with that "choice."

Hell is a never ending punishment for a short lifetime of mistakes. Any religion that tolerates that is insane.

[emancoy]

Hehehehe, john 3:16. the arguement that people claim that non christians are doomed. I have met such people, and often, they are not the pleasant kind.

[Brotoi]

1. Nothing in life is fair

2. Hilter did not believe, and may even have been Jewish himself

3. It's not about the rest of the world. It's about you and God, one on one.

[morsec0de]

1. Agreed. But I think the universe is random. If a god exists, I would expect that god to be fair if he thinks he deserves respect.

2. He was Jewish by blood. He seems to have been a pseudo-Christian pagan. So what? The point is not what Hitler actually was. The point is, if there is a loophole through which Hitler could have been sent to heaven, then that process is unjust.

3. Sorry, but I care about the rest of the world, and not just myself.

[Brotoi]

1. Random, yes, and in mathematical accord with both chaos and complexity. Why would the designer be any different than the design?

2. A loophole that is open to everyone who believes. Hitler did not believe. He could not believe. Hypotheticals are interesting to contemplate, but prove nothing.

3. It's good to care about the world. I care about the world as well. But when God calls you he is trying build a one on one relationship with you personally. He offers the same to everyone.

[Brotoi]

The love of God is not diminished by disbelief. The provision of Calvary was made to cleanse everyone from sin. Like any gift, it must be accepted before it can be owned.

What will God do about someone who never hears the gospel? I don't know. That is for God to judge, not me.

Salvation is a gift no one deserves. We are born selfish, egocentric, and manipulative. We must be taught to be otherwise and even after we are taught, we often rebel.

Some of us become so proud we cannot believe.

[morsec0de]

"Some of us become so proud we cannot believe. "

If "wanting evidence" equals "too proud", then aye, I must be too proud.

[morsec0de]

"Hitler did not believe. He could not believe."

Says who? You want that to be true, perhaps even need it to be true. But that doesn't make it so. Hitler doing what he did does not seem at all against also believing in the god of the bible.

[Brotoi]

(concerning Hitler being unable to believe)

Hitler did not believe. From that simple fact, I conclude he could not believe. Why not? Many possibilities, all of them as hypothetical and speculative as wondering what would have happened if he had converted.

Your hypothesis opens too many doors. If he'd believed as a young man, he might never have entered politics, and thus no war.

No true Christian would have sent the Jews to death camps. We owe them everything we believe.

[morsec0de]

I'm sorry, but you're using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Hitler referred to god and Jesus several times in his writings. Believed in Jesus, or so it seems.

Early Christians persecuted Jews for killing their savior.

Now, that may not be YOUR kind of Christian, but why should I consider your version true and their's false? The way I see it, both have the same amount of evidence supporting them (none), and both get inspiration from the same book, though they choose to ignore different parts.

[Brotoi]

"Hitler referred to god and Jesus several times in his writings."

I see. I didn't realize this, but I read Mein Kampf two decades ago so the details do escape me.

And if you're going to judge everything in life by the lowest common denominator then you'll miss out on the work of a lot of brilliant people with highly innovative ideas.

Life is not a simple game of right and wrong. Never has been, never will be.

[LetReasonPrevail1]

Dude, your observation that the bible seems to allow for believing in god while still thinking he is an epic asshole is fucking brilliant and one of the most novel insights that I have heard in some time.

Congrat's. I hope you don't mind if I use it on the next poor theistic sap who asks me if I "believe" in Jesus. I wish someone would come up to me right now & lay that question on me!

Cheers,

And let reason prevail (hopefully)

[BoozyBeggar]

No true Christian would have a stupid-ass motherfucking homosexual name like "Brotoi."

[Brotoi]

"No true Christian would have a stupid-ass motherfucking homosexual name like "Brotoi.""

Hate to break the news to you, but you're not the first person to call me homosexual and in the same sentence accuse me of an Oedipus Complex. I'm no professional, but I'm pretty sure I am neither.

"stupid" might very well apply, however. I've never claimed to be a genius.

I'm sure you really don't care to know, but for anyone who does, "brotoi" means "brotherhood", as in "brotherhood of believers".

[BoozyBeggar]

Yeah, see, I think my little comment was lost on you. I didn't actually mean what I said; I was just playing a role to try and hold up a mirror for you, so to speak. You know, "no true Scotsman" and all that?

[BoozyBeggar]

Also, "motherfucker" doesn't literally mean "one who fucks his/her mother," its just a piece of modern vernacular.

[freethink15]

please ignore my mistakes.. i am not talikng about the video anymore. reread what i wrote about original sin.

[Lee8981]

You said:

"It's not he believes in me and..."

The word belief is from the Greek πιστεύων It is not believe like you believe in. For instance, I believe in my lap top. Rather, it is a commitment and entrusting oneself to Jesus.

[freethink15]

what does it means then? the exact word.

[MrFacet]

Languages are not sets of exactly the same words. Here's what i found online:

From pistis; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. Credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ) -- believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

(Wonder if that helps)

[Lee8981]

Basically, it brings with it the idea of entrusting one's self to another here. Greek is not like English because words morph to a greater degree; so πιστεύων is a present active participle that stems from the verb πιστεύw which means to trust.

[freethink15]

ah ok. still morsecode point still stands and i believe even stronger than before. thanks for the reply!

[Lee8981]

If the point is that God is seeing if you believe in Jesus like you believe in Santa Clause helps you not go to hell, then you can critique that but that is not what John or the Bible as a whole declares. The Bible teaches you must be joined with Jesus in such a way that he can take your place and embrace your punishment. My point is because of the assumption that πιστεύων is just like our word "belief" lead to a critique of something not even in the text.

[freethink15]

so? still even if his interpretation of the word "believe" is wrong, still his point stand harder.

you go to helo if u dont belive jesus is ur personal savior and put all ur trust in him.. thats way unfair. i go to hell because i dont put my trust on him. i can believe that since there no evidence to support that the bible is really the word of god, but evidence against it. i go to hell for learning, using logic and critical thinking. wht kind of god is that?

[Lee8981]

Once again, I am not trying to convince you here, I am just trying to present what I believe the Biblical response would be to your points. I think the Bible presents a situation in which creation does point to God. Also, the Bible presents that God sent Christ to save all who will trust him. What kind of God is that? Well, I don't know what you mean by that. I guess I would just say it is the one in the Bible. The Bible claims that "fair" is we get punished. It is grace that we all don't.

[freethink15]

ok.

the original sin fair?. sure, god knew about seens the begining unless his not omipotent. he knew we where going to screw up. he knew that we were going to disobey him. . wht happened to the people in china, americas, below central africa, india, ect. they whent all to hell. christianity did not reach the americas after 1450. 1450 years after christ all the people in americas when to hell. they did not have the chance to know this. but God is love!. adding, the hell idead was add in the NT.

[Lee8981]

I think the Bible would decalre Adam represented us as humans. I want to be careful here; yet, I think the declaration is we all would have done what Adam did, turn from God. As far as those God did not save, I think the Bible would declare God is not obligated to save any sense nobody wanted him anyway. Thus, to save one would be massive grace. Once again, just what the Bible declares.

[freethink15]

i am not trying to convince, i am showing obious flaws in the scriptures. is up to u if u want to use ur reasoning.

[Lee8981]

I am going to assume that "obious" means Obvious flaws? To answer that I saw this. That is like saying a trickle down economy is an obvious flaw because it is selfish or massive social programs are an obvious flaw because they foster laziness. The only thing obvious about those statements is they are opinions. You may think the writer of John is a jerk for writing believe in Jesus to go to heaven; yet, how is a religious view a flaw? I am just making sure you state what the text says in Greek.

[MasonExplosion]

This is an eye opening series. And I completely understand about those wisdom teeth. I had mine taken out last month and they are just excruciating.

[OccamKant]

Hey Morse -- great series.

You mention hitler, and then say that that may negate your argument. It doesn't. You're referring to Godwin's Law, which is when someone relates a group to Nazis in an exaggerated attempt to portray them as evil.

You're not doing that, so you're fine. ;)

[slipcurve]

Excellent video.

I've heard many christians say that it doesn't matter wheter you believe in god out of love or fear (of hell obviously), you still get saved. So holding a concept of god in your head and believing that it's a real character is the winning ticket. So belief and utter contempt goes.

Also all the serial killers who believed in god (there is alot) are all in this supposed heaven. They believed and that's all that matters. You shouldn't even condemn what they did!

[SSanf]

The answer is obvious. According to John, God does not place any value what so ever on personal goodness by human standards. What he wants around him and what he values is mindless belief in himself. That is the filter he uses to choose those whom he will surround himself with for eternity. Everything else you do and everything else you are is inconsequential in his mind.

[Promatheos]

nick-oh-dee-mus not ni-cod-uh-mus. Just helping out, not making fun. Keep up the good work. :)

[morsec0de]

Yeah, but what I said sounds so much better!

Haha, thanks for the correction. If I make any other pronunciation mistakes, let me know.

[RomanPhilosopher]

I've been lucky having a huge head, I can keep my wisdom teeth. But I did lose my Appendix already.

[morsec0de]

Well, it's the jaw more than the head that needs to be large. And I have only three, and the one on the bottom is coming in sideways. So they're getting yanked out!!!

[MrFacet]

three heads or three jaws? :P

[morsec0de]

Wisdom teeth. :P

[unclexbob]

the whole works vs belief has always confused the hell out of me. Granted, that is outside of John, but it seems odd to me the overall opinion that belief is more important than works, when it would seem to me, rationally, works should have been more strongly embraced over mere belief

I don't know if it was for simplicity, or they felt it was more indoctrinating....probably the latter. I'm sure there was some less-than-attractive reason for it

[MrFacet]

unclexbob, Mat25:32-33 says the Son of Man (=Jesus?) will divide sheep & goats based on works.

Was it Paul who introduced the weirdness on selecting on faith? He introduced the disregard of the Mosaic law to appeal to the non-jews who did not feel like getting circumcised and following the spice laws.

Yes, there are quotes in the gospels too about the faith, but I suspect the scribes added that because of Pauls doctrines.

Predestination is even worse than the faith above works weirdness.

[sgwarrior69]

keep up the good work, tempts me to do something like this

[DaniKiller]

nah this is actually what i like about these videos

you dont have to sit and read this crap - yet you get a review of it by an atheist