I never understood the ending. Four starships are damaged, hundreds killed or injured and the Enterprise cruises away. Shouldn't Captain Kirk stay and offer assistance?
The ore ship, originally a redressed Botany Bay, (Maybe a DY500 series?) is now the same class as the automated ships Enterprise was escorting to Sherman's Planet in "More Tribbles, More Troubles". Could this have been an inside joke to the fact that they replaced the K-7 model from "The Trouble with Tribbles" with a new design for the space station? Maybe I'm thinking too hard.
The CGI graphics from most of the new FX scenes, for Star trek remastered, mostly looks like a video games opening. In others words, just way too artificial synthetic look.
@saberswing If anything Star Trek is about looking forward, not backwards. True they did Enterprise, and notice even with bad writing, stupid story arcs, and time traveling mischief it worked. Sad fact Tos been there, done that. Lets Move forward, theres more time eras then just the one.
The new effects are a double-edged sword. The ships look too 'floaty'. They turn too easily and show no inertia. On the other hand, the space battles have a lot more life to them, and the planets don't look like paper mache models anymore. Luckily the box set has both versions, so episodes that look better with the original effects can be seen that way.
After growing up watching the TOS Episodes over and over, the new FX's take some getting used to. But while they are interesting, and in some cases an improvement, I have to say I prefer the dated 1960's FX on the TOS episodes. Dubbing in the CGI is almost like rewriting history.
I agree. In some ways, I would go farther and say it is almost an insult to those who managed to pull off some mighty impressive effects on a very limited budget and with very limited technology. I enjoy seeing the original 60s effects. I am used to them and I think it is nice to appreciate the work done so long ago. Besides, this computer generated stuff looks so very cheap.
@chrisman737 The point of updating the effects was to give the show a bit of a more "modern" look as a prelude to the 2009 movie and reintroduce the show to a younger audience that rightly or wrongly might be turned off by the older effects. It was very true that for the 1960's and television, ST was very, very good. However people who actually worked on the show have said that they would have loved to have been able to use this technology.
You dont even think about the old effects after a few moments, we're so used to cracking CGI in everything these days. I dont think it's intrusive or incongruous, I think Roddenberry and the writers would have killed to be able to do effects like this. Imagine the stories then?
you all ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies letting CBS rule you...where's the full episodes remastered! All of you need testosterone like Kirk..nambie pambies
Well, apparently that makes 2 of us, 'cause I can't seem to find anybody else who agrees. I think the entire premise of the 2008 film was one big cheat, setting it in an "alternate" timeline. They had an opportunity to do some very creative story telling, meshing that film into the history of ST and showing us how Kirk and the rest began to come together; instead JJ and his pals just made something totally removed from the theme of ST and wrote and filmed what they wanted to...
@jerico641 I think that film was garbage. I watched it, hated the ship design, couldn't stand that the engine room was a brewery, the acting--didn't get it or any connection to the characters. The original series was simply the best when you think of it during it's actual airtime. It started it all.
I agree; I love TOS. And there wasn't any conncection to anything ST in that film, not really. They used the name to promote the film, and that's all. Leonard Nimoy should have been ashamed of his part in it too. Imagine what they could have done if they'd tried to mesh that film with real ST cannon; makes you're mouth water LOL; oh, well, at least the TOS episodes are still there...
@jerico641 Thank you jerico!! Jeez I so agree! I liked some parts of the new film but to just blow away the last 40 years including TNG was assinine! Hope they try to redeem themselves and quit with this alternate timeline. And I livin in San Diego where we have the ComicCon and let me tell you, not all trekkies are approving of JJ's "new" version.
Well, I certainly am glad to hear that! I remember how a massive letter writing campaign in 1968 convinced NBC to produce one more season of TOS; maybe we can do the same thing for the next film and convince Abrahms (or whoever is directing it), to scrap all the alternate Universe crap and let us see a vision of how the TOS characters might have come together in THIS Universe. Think there's any hope?
@jackdev73 They don't care about or even like Star Trek. Abrams himself admitted he's a Star Wars fan so apparently he's trying to make a Star Wars version of Trek which would never work in any form I keep reading that IX was a success blah blah blah when I know damn well it wasn't, it reached #1 that weekend because nothing else was playing. If a bigger movie were playing then IX would have got the crap beat out of it.
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dazzled? these are like fanfilm effects. in fact, i've seen fanfilms with vastly superior effects. they should either have actually remastered the series or left it alone, not put in these substandard visuals. at least the original effects were the best that could be done at the time. the same cannot be said about the remasters
what new effects? nothing's beenimproved. replacingold bad effects with new bad effects is not improvement, it's actually a downgrade. at least the old effects were state of the art when they were made, these ones are pathetically substandard.
I love the remastered star trek. They ought to remaster the animated series with computer graphic like the clone wars or final fantasy. Keep the sound track for the principal actor's voices but get some other people so everyone doesn't sound like sulu, scotty, uhura, and chapel!
I think Roddenberry would have loved the remastered versions. They represent his vision a lot more than the '60s versions ever did or could. That being said, the '60s versions were triumphs for their time.
Another great job by CBS Digital...but...somehow I found myself expecting more from the main battle sequence, perhaps showing close-up phaser impacts on the attacking ships. Still, it's an improvement on the original.
I love them using the robot ships from The Animated Series.
Trekfreek 1 month ago
I never understood the ending. Four starships are damaged, hundreds killed or injured and the Enterprise cruises away. Shouldn't Captain Kirk stay and offer assistance?
Steve17010 6 months ago
@Steve17010 Help with what? The Enterprise had a skeleton crew.
DarthTaz 5 months ago
What a missed opportunity by CBS. I would say about twenty percent of the new shots are an improvement. The rest, well, see for yourself.
bernecomp 9 months ago
Famous lines never said in Trek:
Scotty: "I dinna think the altimate computer would need TWO torpedoes fer a cranky old ore hauler!"
OLDSMARKARL 9 months ago
the original NCC-1701 is a true beauty,the enterprise in the horrific JJ Abrams film iiis an abomination,it looks like a Fisher-Price toy!
saml760 9 months ago
@saml760 Did you also say the same thing about the Motion Picture refit, A, B, C, D and E?
GoGojiraGo 4 months ago
It's that they've decided to use the Watchtower-class Starbase (aka Starbase Vanguard) in this episode.
FekLeyrTarg 10 months ago
Did they update the computer's local display? 1:40
jordinyc 1 year ago
1:07 LOL, redshirt
mgf001 1 year ago
Classic episode. Another case of confounding a machine by propounding a question it couldn't answer.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
The ore ship, originally a redressed Botany Bay, (Maybe a DY500 series?) is now the same class as the automated ships Enterprise was escorting to Sherman's Planet in "More Tribbles, More Troubles". Could this have been an inside joke to the fact that they replaced the K-7 model from "The Trouble with Tribbles" with a new design for the space station? Maybe I'm thinking too hard.
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
The CGI graphics from most of the new FX scenes, for Star trek remastered, mostly looks like a video games opening. In others words, just way too artificial synthetic look.
A shame !!!!!!
jerryaltman 1 year ago 2
The space station K-9 ment to be the same like in the original series.
SR71ABCD 1 year ago
Who thinks the next star trek show should be in the TOS era?
saberswing 1 year ago
@saberswing If anything Star Trek is about looking forward, not backwards. True they did Enterprise, and notice even with bad writing, stupid story arcs, and time traveling mischief it worked. Sad fact Tos been there, done that. Lets Move forward, theres more time eras then just the one.
TrekkieGal69 1 year ago
@ 0:54 at the bottom, That lighted dome looks like a ceiling light!
stormsirens2 1 year ago
The new effects are a double-edged sword. The ships look too 'floaty'. They turn too easily and show no inertia. On the other hand, the space battles have a lot more life to them, and the planets don't look like paper mache models anymore. Luckily the box set has both versions, so episodes that look better with the original effects can be seen that way.
mentalrectangle 1 year ago
After growing up watching the TOS Episodes over and over, the new FX's take some getting used to. But while they are interesting, and in some cases an improvement, I have to say I prefer the dated 1960's FX on the TOS episodes. Dubbing in the CGI is almost like rewriting history.
You can always start over but you can't go back.
airdriver 1 year ago
I agree. In some ways, I would go farther and say it is almost an insult to those who managed to pull off some mighty impressive effects on a very limited budget and with very limited technology. I enjoy seeing the original 60s effects. I am used to them and I think it is nice to appreciate the work done so long ago. Besides, this computer generated stuff looks so very cheap.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 The point of updating the effects was to give the show a bit of a more "modern" look as a prelude to the 2009 movie and reintroduce the show to a younger audience that rightly or wrongly might be turned off by the older effects. It was very true that for the 1960's and television, ST was very, very good. However people who actually worked on the show have said that they would have loved to have been able to use this technology.
jtkirkfan2002 1 year ago
@airdriver just relax, take it easy. The Blu-Ray version still includes the original effects, not that anyone would want to watch them of course.
avi8r1 1 year ago
You dont even think about the old effects after a few moments, we're so used to cracking CGI in everything these days. I dont think it's intrusive or incongruous, I think Roddenberry and the writers would have killed to be able to do effects like this. Imagine the stories then?
axeman3d 2 years ago 2
you all ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies letting CBS rule you...where's the full episodes remastered! All of you need testosterone like Kirk..nambie pambies
wolfstev76 2 years ago
Dang, the original Enterprise is just so awesome. What a beautiful design. To bad JJ's team didnt study it a little harder.
jackdev73 2 years ago 26
Not like it really even mattered. They barely had the Enterprise doing anything, let along entering any sort of real combat.
dean10007 2 years ago
@jackdev73 JJ Abrams' version of the Enterprise was just fine, I really don't get all the hate
avi8r1 1 year ago
@jackdev73
In my opinion, "JJ" has now fucked up the entire franchise.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 I agree
spangelosf43 1 year ago
@spangelosf43
Well, apparently that makes 2 of us, 'cause I can't seem to find anybody else who agrees. I think the entire premise of the 2008 film was one big cheat, setting it in an "alternate" timeline. They had an opportunity to do some very creative story telling, meshing that film into the history of ST and showing us how Kirk and the rest began to come together; instead JJ and his pals just made something totally removed from the theme of ST and wrote and filmed what they wanted to...
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 I think that film was garbage. I watched it, hated the ship design, couldn't stand that the engine room was a brewery, the acting--didn't get it or any connection to the characters. The original series was simply the best when you think of it during it's actual airtime. It started it all.
spangelosf43 1 year ago
@spangelosf43
I agree; I love TOS. And there wasn't any conncection to anything ST in that film, not really. They used the name to promote the film, and that's all. Leonard Nimoy should have been ashamed of his part in it too. Imagine what they could have done if they'd tried to mesh that film with real ST cannon; makes you're mouth water LOL; oh, well, at least the TOS episodes are still there...
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Thank you jerico!! Jeez I so agree! I liked some parts of the new film but to just blow away the last 40 years including TNG was assinine! Hope they try to redeem themselves and quit with this alternate timeline. And I livin in San Diego where we have the ComicCon and let me tell you, not all trekkies are approving of JJ's "new" version.
Romulan007 1 year ago
@Romulan007
Well, I certainly am glad to hear that! I remember how a massive letter writing campaign in 1968 convinced NBC to produce one more season of TOS; maybe we can do the same thing for the next film and convince Abrahms (or whoever is directing it), to scrap all the alternate Universe crap and let us see a vision of how the TOS characters might have come together in THIS Universe. Think there's any hope?
jerico641 1 year ago
@jackdev73 They don't care about or even like Star Trek. Abrams himself admitted he's a Star Wars fan so apparently he's trying to make a Star Wars version of Trek which would never work in any form I keep reading that IX was a success blah blah blah when I know damn well it wasn't, it reached #1 that weekend because nothing else was playing. If a bigger movie were playing then IX would have got the crap beat out of it.
MasterJediKyleKatarn 1 year ago
@jackdev73 Matt Jeffries, who was an aeronautical engineer, designed the Enterprise and the Klingon vessels for the show.
Capt777harris 1 year ago
I wish we could have seen the exhange phaser fire causing damage to the Excaliber and Lexington, rather than just the beams tagging them. o_o;
TheCastellan 2 years ago 6
A bit off-topic. To this day every time I see the redshirt at 1:10 I still feel badly.
Poor bastard never knew what hit him!
Roskomaximus 2 years ago 6
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how is this garbage allowed on tv?
neomp5 3 years ago
I was very impressed and dazzled by the remastered effect. I love the remastered version of Star Trek
amit790 3 years ago 14
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dazzled? these are like fanfilm effects. in fact, i've seen fanfilms with vastly superior effects. they should either have actually remastered the series or left it alone, not put in these substandard visuals. at least the original effects were the best that could be done at the time. the same cannot be said about the remasters
neomp5 3 years ago
The Blue Ray remastered are MUCH better... these effects are subpar. Leave the originals alone I say.
Or it's gonna be Star Wars all over again...
BitterPoetMadman 2 years ago
why leave the originals alone? roddenberry wouldn't have left them alone. this show is about evolution.
neomp5 2 years ago
@neomp5
Indeed, I like the episodes being remastered. I am very happy seeing new effects, and yes I believe Roddenberry would appreciate the new effects.
AMysticSeer 1 year ago
what new effects? nothing's beenimproved. replacingold bad effects with new bad effects is not improvement, it's actually a downgrade. at least the old effects were state of the art when they were made, these ones are pathetically substandard.
neomp5 1 year ago
I love the remastered star trek. They ought to remaster the animated series with computer graphic like the clone wars or final fantasy. Keep the sound track for the principal actor's voices but get some other people so everyone doesn't sound like sulu, scotty, uhura, and chapel!
jjmfrees 3 years ago
One other thing...redo the music with something more appropriate to the series, instead of the stock Filmation cartoon music.
DogPatch1149 3 years ago
You got that right
jjmfrees 3 years ago
I think Roddenberry would have loved the remastered versions. They represent his vision a lot more than the '60s versions ever did or could. That being said, the '60s versions were triumphs for their time.
paktype 3 years ago
i don't think he would have been satistfied with the old terrible effects being replaced by new terrible effects.
neomp5 3 years ago
AMEN!
Hodson2000 2 years ago
Another great job by CBS Digital...but...somehow I found myself expecting more from the main battle sequence, perhaps showing close-up phaser impacts on the attacking ships. Still, it's an improvement on the original.
DogPatch1149 3 years ago 3
Agreed. I was very let down by this episode. It had a lot of potential. :(
Mut8edseabass 3 years ago
Very fx nice touch - most of the Enterprise windows are dark, because there is only a skeleton crew aboard.
PC3900 3 years ago
The original visuals for that episode were fairly ordinary. The story lends itself to the exciting updated remastered version.
days77 3 years ago 4