Ricky Jay -- False Dealing

[sgs138]

I remember when this show was on HBO. One of my favorite magic shows I've ever seen on TV.

[mrhistericalful]

7 words: Do not play poker with this guy.

[matthewcastillo45]

I actually checked my skype while watching this video hahah

[AdamR702]

Ricky Jay the only guy who makes prostitutes look trustworthy

[InfectedFlourishing]

Almost as good? Id like to be just as good :L

[XxmattronxX]

Ok play the video and hold 1 and look. And then hold 8 and listen... lol

[Audi0Phil]

I dont get that last one ... he just turns the aces around so he can see them ... whats the point ? xD

He sees the corner of the cards

[blackbelttube]

@Audi0Phil To show you even when the cards are face up, you couldn't tell they came from the middle.

[redmoves2]

That was not center dealing.

[RS1963]

@redmoves2 For all intents and purposes it was. Granted those of us that know such things know that Ricky was giving a false center deal demo. Ricky as well as Steve Forte can both perform center deals. But when you don't have to all that work why do so? If there is something that looks just as good and gets the job done to fool the lay folk there is no reason to do the real thing.

[redmoves2]

@RS1963 Yeah but why taking credit over something that you know that it is not true? Obviously as a magician you expect something better from Ricky Jay. Darwin Ortiz shows a great demo on center dealing without faking the center deal. I'm just saying that he should've done it.. I was disappointed when I saw this, but that doesn't make him a bad magician...

[RS1963]

@redmoves2 Quote "why taking credit over something that you know that is not true?" Since when have magicians not done such things? You obviously know things about magic since you mentioned Ortiz. Which means you realize (Or should) that the center deal also has angle issues and to get rid of those sometimes it has to be decided if the real thing is better over the fake demo. Again that is why even Forte does a fake demo of the center deal.

[redmoves2]

@RS1963 @RS1963 I understand what you mean about magicians doing those things, however, Ricky Jay has a reputation as a magician and as a performer and in this trick he only gives credit to his reputation as a performer not as a magician. Steve Forte he is more of a performer than a magician and its understandable that he would do that, but no Ricky Jay, he is a great magician as well.

[redmoves2]

I understand that the center deal it is extremely hard to perform and master, it was meant for exhibition only just like Ricky Jay was doing it in this video. Center deal has been explained in great detail in the book of Expert at the Card Table by S.W. Erdnase (E.S Andrews) and in Revolutionary Card Technique by Ed Marlo and in both it has been offered for exhibition and that is exactly what Ricky Jay was doing in here.

[RS1963]

@redmoves2 The Center deal isn't in Erdnase. The bottom and second deals are but not the center deal. Also in an exhibition such as Ricky did in his how you don't want things that can be less than perfect if you can help it. Again this is way Ricky, Forte etc all choose to do false center deal. Sure us magicians would most often like to see the real center deal done. But This show wasn't something just for magicians to see. Ricky the correct choice in not performing the center deal.

[redmoves2]

@RS1963 OMG you are right, that was not explained on the book of Expert at the Card Table it was explained on Center Deal by Allen Kennedy, I apologize for the confusion, I was thinking also of that one book by Karl Johnson named The Magician and The Cardsharp in which he told that old old old story about The Professor and Allen Kennedy ... For some reason it got me confused.. And I will agree with you on this one since for lay people it is the same and that was the main purpose of it.

[RS1963]

@redmoves2 No problem and to be honest even tho I knew it wasn't in Erdnase I had double check. to make sure I wasn't wrong. I know the book well too but had that go check moment.

[Masterofpew]

@MasterMagician21 there is actually no such thing as center dealing, it is a trick he does, not gonna explain how but yeah...anyways if you want to learn 2nd dealing and bottom dealing just search for it and people will show you how to in videos =)

[superchef78]

@Masterofpew There is a such thing as center dealing. It was invented by Allen Kennedy (or at least apparently first publicized/done by him).

[Masterofpew]

@superchef78 sure, but he doesnt REALLY dig into the middle to find the aces, he has them in a strict order and uses the 2nd deal to make it seem like he is taking the aces from the middle, when he is actually taking them from under the top card. I know how to do this myself, but hey I might be insanely wrong....but as Ive learned how to do the ''center'' deal I stand by my statement.

[universal80]

an internet professional disliked this lol

[ShayDog332]

what grip is he using for the bottom deal?

[RS1963]

@ShayDog332 Obviously the grip you don't know.

[thepictureman007]

repeatedly prees 2 ,, LOL

[TheEralas]

press 4 three times then 5

[ChrisP4lm3r]

Who the hell disliked this video?

[KE455]

I can do the trick easy did see how he did it at first time. Can not peform so gud as ricky jay. Ricky jay own

[yeshevishman]

Or he could just do a pass... but that move sounds much more interesting.

[KardTricks]

He had a pink break right

[kendo512]

Thumbs up if you exited full screen to check your Skype at 1:43.

[fiseola]

All the magicians here see what he's doing, but we shouldn't disclose the secret nevertheless!

I watched this when I was just starting out, and I was totally baffled!

really fun to come back now and see how he did it!

[superchef78]

Which second deal does Jay use here? Strike or Pushoff?

IMO England is the best at centers and bottoms right now, but Ricky Jay's second is the most deceptive and the best performed I've ever seen-- ever. Aboslutely imperceptible.

[ShayDog332]

@superchef78 pushoff

[brusko3269]

this was a case of a great magician explaining the method of gamblers to attain a certain purpose but at the same time, using these methods against his spectators who, satisfied that now they know how false deals are accomplished.

With due respect to Ricky Jay, I have no doubt that he can do the center deal...but the last deal was definitely not a CENTER DEAL....

[s4mis4mi]

i think he does a "pinky break" when putting the aces in the center, not sure though

[MastahMich]

Fake center deal, Jason is currently the real man of the center deal!

[McBallsKicker]

He also could be a comedian :D

[peppermints666]

i LOVE 1:53 so much!!!!

[MrSnaveRevilo]

Wow! The aces look like they just appear out of nowhere, actually they probably are lol!

[149scrat]

I really wanna learn this and be able to do it almost as well as this guy. He's undissable.

btw 1:43 what's that sound?

[TonyRush]

Sounds like my Skype was notifying me of a message while I was recording the video. Oops!

[WillPG1212]

@TonyRush

LOL i quit the fullscreen to check my skype... and was like wth no new conversaton :P

[Ilopsen]

@TonyRush Lol, I thought that was mine!

[sharkhead7854]

@TonyRush *facepalm* I was wondering why my computer was making such weird noises... lol

[thantisman]

@TonyRush yeah that messed with me, I checked my skype to see nothing

[pilotpowell33]

@TonyRush haha, when the skype noise went off, i had to check mine to make sure it wasnt mine.

[origachima]

@TonyRush lol  the funny thing is that i thought someone was skyping me... and i checked but i was offline... i got confused...lol

[DaGuittarMan]

he had skype on

[NateBirach]

@149scrat Its sounds like Skype notification. I thought it was mine and I'm like whats going on. I didn't think it was the video till I actually saw this.

[riciforlive]

@149scrat its just on the right time when the dude on the right pulls someting out his nose..

[GuitarMonkey91]

@149scrat Sounds like a skype I.M tone!

[Kounteron]

i actually know how to center deal, but nowhere close to performing it... but, in different places... ergh, hard...

[DJRockinRob]

He wasnt even LOOOOKING! Damn Ricky dont loose that number! :)

[MadaxeMunkeee]

Rikki Jay is as legit as they come. If anyone can centre deal, he can. And he just did, so there. Just because you guys can't do it, doesn't mean it's impossible

[noraacmw]

simply amazing, he's the best i 've seen

[thestiffmiester2000]

i live in el paso tx.. im gonna hunt that dude he was talkin about down

[RS1963]

Good luck you won't find him unless you want to dig up a body.

[oingoboink]

There's a book called The Magician And The Cardsharp that recounts the discovery of the center deal. It goes into detail about the lives of Dai Vernon and Allen Kennedy. Fascinating read.

Thanks for the video.

[CardMadMonster]

duz anyone o how this is dun

[UnknownMagician93]

yeah, practice and dedication. 30+ years to be exact.

[frictionated]

Ricky Jay is a god!

[Jesys1]

Thanks a ton for adding this video. Ricky Jay is amazing. Pretty cool to see the 3 main kinds of false deals done by such a pro.

[xRNEx]

Actually he only showed the main two, but does preform them very good.

[beeble2003]

No, three. Second-dealing at 0:15, bottom-dealing at 0:45 and centre-dealing at 3:20.

[xRNEx]

Thanks for your comment, but I'm not blind. I can see what he does and when he does it so there is no need to tell me. It may seem that he is showing three different false deals but in fact he only does the main two.

[beeble2003]

Very well, but if you'd phrased your original comment more clearly, I wouldn't have followed up saying that you'd missed one...

[xRNEx]

The phrasing was clear enough, you just thought I was wrong and wrote your reply before you thought about what I said.

[UnknownMagician93]

are you implying he didnt do centers? because if you are, you are in fact blind, contrary to your above statement

[xRNEx]

Judging from your videos you are pretty skillful, but obviously you don´t know a lot about cheating cards. Dealing centers like this has never been done by anyone.

There are a lot of center deal demonstrations and this is one of the most common ones.

[xRNEx]

Here´s how he does it, if you don´t want to know, stop reading here. He puts four cards in between every face up ace and five cards on top, like this: - 5 random cards - ace - 4 random - ace - 4 - ace - 4 - ace - rest of deck He deals four cards from the top and then he does a second deal. Watch close, you´ll know I´m right.

[UnknownMagician93]

so you are implying that this is in fact a False center deal demo?

[akaCharlieG]

that's what I saw too. Nothing special.

This man is a magician not a cardsharp

[HaavardGY]

Umm...? He actually says that he is doing second deals in the video, it's no secret.

[xRNEx]

First he does second deals, then he does bottom deals and then he does second deals again but now as a center deal demonstration.

[HaavardGY]

3:15 - The face-up cards aren't near the top nor the bottom.

[HaavardGY]

Oh, I see what you mean. He sets up the deck + second deals. That's more likely, but not necessarily true.

[xRNEx]

Since "real" center dealing with the aces in different positions is impossible and the cards are in different positions, it is necessarily true. The idea of using a second deal to make it look like your center dealing is used by many other magicians/cheaters too.

[s013081]

I think he actually did it the set up would require

ddddd u dddd u dddd u dddd u

d means face down cards, u means face up cards

He had 9 cards up on top of the first face up ace.

he shuffled 4 of them to the bottom to make the set up work.

I could not see him set up the rest of the deck clearly, but I think he did set them up.

People might dislike this comment, but I do want to say it.

And it is possible to deal aces from the center

I will find the link and post it

[kcg5000]

wow, you and Houdini..

[Gardener33]

@xRNEx I think that all the aces are in the bottom, one next to the others. He only puts three or four additional cards in the bottom, those cards he showed us. He starts by bottom dealing for the three first cards and then the aces are in the bottom! He just has to perform an other bottom dealing for each ace, and that's it.

[xRNEx]

@Gardener33 You are free to think whatever you want, but in this case you are wrong.

[superchef78]

I surmise your vision is impaired. If you watch clearly, you will see the individual/respective cards actually being placed in between groups of cards. While the method certainly wasn't a 'center' deal, I would consider asserting that the 4 cards used were on the bottom a mere wild guess, if anything (or of course if the above mention isn't true).

[antichristtemka]

@xRNEx wow u are right Mr.Smart ass

[peart]

@xRNEx You call also do it with a belly cut stripper deck, inverting the aces would make it possible to grab them from anywhere.

[xRNEx]

@peart Regular stripper cards, long cards, short cards, crimps and a whole variaty of different methods would make that possible too. The problem is that it's so hard that no one has ever mastered it.

[RS1963]

@xRNEx Nope nice try but that is not what Ricky does here.

[xRNEx]

@RS1963 Please read all of my comments before you say I'm wrong.

[everio17]

Dealing centers have never been done by anyone? Say that to jason england and Dai Vernon and the creator of the center deal,Allen kennedy. Allen kennedy most certainly used it for cheating.

[xRNEx]

It is possible to deal centers if the aces are together in the deck, it's very hard to master but there are quite a few people who are able to do that. Center dealing with the aces in different places in the deck (without side-jogging them) has never been done by anyone.

[thebsharps1]

@everio17 No disrespect inended here, but it's patter, Jay means to entertain with this bit, not necessarily educate.