Alex Zanardi Laguna Seca Cork Screw Pass

[snydermotors]

@artificialingrediant

Is that really the rule? Im not saying you're wrong or anything but I think that's a little weird, because you can set your line up with the intention of cutting off/going off, gaining speed that wouldnt be there unless you knew you were going off, but as long as you pass your target before you go off its ok? Odd

[bryonlape]

Bobby Rahal sounds so enthusiastic, doesn't he.

[krayzeejojo]

The hardest spots on the course to make a pass

[anttrap321]

@krayzeejojo without cuting corner

[MegaLogin2010]

both wheels over the white line out of the track should not stand. but still he has some balls to pull that off

[Hiei2k7]

@MegaLogin2010 He's past the car when the wheels go off.

[anttrap321]

@Hiei2k7 so? he still cut the corner

[Hiei2k7]

@anttrap321

He is actually legal when he does that. Because he is already ahead of the car he passed, he can touch and go over the lines. He just couldn't do it in order to pass the car.

[anttrap321]

@Hiei2k7 dont u get it? Im not saying that the pass was illgal...... the passing part is totally legal. but he short cut the corner. doesnt matter where the other car is. unless short cutting a corner is legal in that race.....

[markmiet]

Ok, that shouldn't be legal overtake move, but still was cool. I have never seen a cool overtake in a oval track.

[markmiet]

Ok, that shouldn't be legal overtake move, but still was cool. I have never seen a cool overtake in a oval track.

[ACOWproductions]

I remember how pissed I was when I watched that race. I couldn't believe Zanardi was going to win again. I wanted Herta to win that race so bad, I thought he had it..but no...here came Zanardi. It's different watching it now in retrospect so far detached from all those feelings. I like Zanardi...not so much back then though, lol. It's a CLASSIC "pass" and it always will be.

[xibilfc21]

I think they deemed this over take legal because the overtake happened in the first corner. Zanardi overtook him before the start of that corner and completed that corner successfully. It was in the following corner, the last part of the corkscrew which he went wide and by that time, the other car was besides him, yet Zanardi defended his position well. For these reasons, I agree with the judges in letting this overtake stand.

[anttrap321]

@xibilfc21 of course the pass was "legal", nothing wrong with it. the "illegal" part is where he cuts the corner

[artificialingredient]

@anttrap321 It's all legal. The pass is fine. Everyone agrees with that, and making a mistake like that and cutting the corkscrew is legal as long as you don't gain position from it. Technically he already had made his pass, so his cutting the corner is legal. It's sort of a cheap move, but it's technically fine. It's ballsy as hell.

[VR46Nico]

It looks like Valentino Rossi vs. Casey Stoner at Laguna Seca, Corksrew 2008 in MotoGP

[kronzomg]

errr. how is that legal, he wasnt just completely off the track he almost had all 4 in the damn gravel..

[fordfocusonme]

Bryan Herta checks his closet at night for the boogie man named Alex Zanardi.

[underratedMontages]

Spectacular commentating!

[Roflzmahwoflz]

Formula 1 is so boring.

[gahloot]

Stop your bitching! Just like your not supposed to drive under the yellow lines at the 500,and everyone does it anyway! Zanardi is the king! Just watch the 2008 Long beach race and you will see him whip up Herta there also!

[Scope951]

clearly 4 wheels off the track, no penalty? wtf

[Redgrant80]

@Scope951 I think this pass was the very reason why you're not allowed to go off the track.

[sgddfgfghfgh]

pass? more like cheating and cutting the corner

[MrFudo]

it's Vale Rossi style!!!!!

[peterm3964]

That was a fluke . He was just reckless . Should have been disqualified . Ah well he got his legs cut off later . so theres your Karma .

[kicknetik]

@peterm3964 you're a fucken retarded !

[vpsaline]

Ya this isn't a legit move IMO. He cut the track = cheated.

[Geoffhurstlegend]

Laguna Seca... what a track!!

[roalme00]

this shouldnt be allowed !

[Tilly6ArrowKart]

sick move

[Blackdodgeviper]

reminds me of Rossi vs Stoner Laguna Seca 2008 :o

[krayzeejojo]

Nice pass, but he should've still been penalized for what he did immediately after

[JTwinTurbo]

'What a move' more like 'what a noob'. It may have been alowed but corner cutting, WTH

[bassturd666]

@JTwinTurbo But when he cut the corner it didn't improve his position, the pass was before he cut the corner.

[melchizedekful]

@bassturd666 omg the reason why he had to cut the corner was because he braked too late. it was obviously not legal pass.

[bbp2003]

what a move, commentator sounds so excited

[alan1320x]

that was the most underwhelming description of this pass I've ever heard!

[vnano]

What a looser.

[weallfollowmanutd]

The toughest 'racer' in Indycar history. No one in modern day racing has this kind of courage to win.

[4g63attack]

or the balls

[anttt69]

he cut the corner to win.

[mytchook]

No he didnt, CART rules at the time said 2 wheels must remain on the track, the white lines didn't indicate the boundary of the track. He had the mind to keep 2 wheels on the circuit, at high speeds, whilst passing another car, whilst the road dropped dramatically from under him. Legendry is the only word that comes to mind

[leov60]

@mytchook .. do you know that the legend.. even without legs... drove a motorbike in Monza? the legend is becoming more and more legendary!

[melchizedekful]

@mytchook you should watch it once more. all four wheels were off. clearly.

[1973MaseratiBora]

Hahaha I can't believe he actually did that.

I don't think I could bring myself to do that, for fear of the hate mail and death threats I would undoubtedly receive.

[Stereolabdream]

Zanardi is a hero for what he has done since his 2001 crash.

BUT...that was a great move but should have been penalised...he was clearly going way too fast to brake and just missed the next corner.

[mytchook]

No he stayed within the rules, read my post above

[MrOrdellBrown]

@Stereolabdream was illegal

[fantomole]

oh yea!zanardi couldnt driver an f1-but in cart he was masterfull:-)

[zeparegods]

That move clearly was never on. He's just fucken lucky he got away with not getting penalised, or worse, ending up face first in a concrete barrier.

[Nutellaa]

I think this is clearly a short-cut

[teckniks]

what a faggot. i hope his car got cut in half and his body went flying into spiked rails.

cheap fuck

[jonmarhen]

lol you kinda got your wish. Alex Zanardi crashed in 2001 and had both his legs amputated. lol. he is a cheapfuck. i would have beat the living shit out of him, if i were the guy he passed.

[x1tekja]

I think this is the year Zanardi donated bj's to all the officials.. No black flag..! WTF!?

[YawnGod]

I mean, he went off the course, he cut the corner...isn't that...not allowed?

[impala2sport]

I do not know if it was correct or not, what I know now is that Rossi already knew how to do it, Zanardi showed it to him 8 years before.

[Pepperism]

Questo sorpasso, divenuto celebre e considerato uno dei più belli di sempre, è PALESEMENTE IRREGOLARE!! Zanardi pone TUTTE E QUATTRO LE RUOTE aldilà del cordolo tagliando per intero la curva e, in tal modo, agevolandosi enormemente nel sopravanzamento del collega. Davvero non comprendo come tale manovra possa essere stata considerata all'intero dei regolamenti e nessuno sia intervenuto per sanzionarla!!

[MikiTestone]

per il regolamento hai ragione...ma qst regola è fatta per i piloti senza palle e senza cuore (come Schumi e te lo dice uno di Maranello accanito tifoso Ferrari...) che tagliano curve asfaltate di circuiti come loro (senza palle e senza cuore)...per me la vittoria la possono dare anke al collega (o a Stoner per l'identico sorpasso di Rossi in Motogp) mhaa...il pilota con i controXXzzi indovina chi è...??!! concordi ;-) ciaooo

[Pepperism]

Mettiamo caso che al posto del cordolo asfaltato ci fosse stato un muretto o quell'angolo di parete con lo sponsor azzurro fosse stato mezzo metro più all'interno, dove avrebbe terminato il suo tentativo Zanardi?? Io sono convinto che un taglio così netto non possa ritenersi regolare e neppure sintomo di "contocazzismo" dal momento che, con una barriera stile Montecarlo, la corsa finiva con un bel botto, altrochè!!

Un saluto da un tuo rivale tifosissimo McLAREN!! :-)

[MikiTestone]

eh ma il muretto nn c'è... e lui lo sapeva...sicuramente non voleva "tagliare" in quel modo e ha rischiato di perdere il controllo (a scapito suo, non del collega, Valentino per fare un paragone è stato ancor più drastico e pericoloso...cmq sono piloti è qst sono rischi per cui sono profumatamente pagati...)

[MikiTestone]

.ok ok per regolamento deve essere penalizzato ma...cavoli è sicuramente un taglio "diverso" rispetto a quello che puoi fare ad una S di Monza... ps. qst anno nn siamo gran rivali :-( ciaooo

[lacrimadilucifero]

zanardi sei il migliore. zanardi the beast driver

[Rennfahrer555]

OVER THE LINE!!! MARK IT ZERO DONNY

[wlogra1]

Zajebisty manewr , pamiętem jak ten wyścig oglądałem na żywo. Tego mi brakuje w Formule Jeden.

[bwchudy95]

To jest Indy Car Series, ``znaFco``

[AlejoManila]

Overtake of psx xD

[TheBlimp888]

ALL 4 wheels over the white line. Instant black flag. What were the officials doing? Having a bum orgy probably.

[pedroquintero]

All 4 tires didn't leave the asphalt so I guess it's legal.

[jediwise]

Officials didn't say anything, so it's legal, but Zanardi won't be bragging about that move to anyone, ever.

I can beat anyone in the world if I don't have to stay on track.

[batvette]

I think it's legal because his pass didn't cause him to go off the course, avoiding Herta as he attempts to block did. Remember it's a complex corner so a cut and dry rule on a simple right angle turn is not easily applied, as well the corkscrew has more legal runoff area than most any corner in racing.

Depends on how you look at it, it was either brilliant or dirty, but who would go watch conservative racing?

[Bosseking]

Well for my eyes it's a terrible overtake.

Think about yourself as the leading driver. Someone comes way too fast to the inside and you obviously can't turn because that'd be a crash. He of course can't make the corner because he came WAY TOO FAST, so he cuts it, then blocks you (yay for the execuse that the way he drove was slower... Ofc it is slower but who cares if it made you get ahead of the other car) and people call it as the amazing overtake on the last lap. I'd be so friggin pissed.

[batvette]

"Someone comes way too fast to the inside and you obviously can't turn because that'd be a crash."

If this precludes a pass there would be NO position changes ever on courses like Monaco or even Laguna Seca (exccept the main straight). Late braking passes are often the only opportunity on road courses with many turns. You imply Zanardi had no right to the lead or that the slower car has the right to win if he can block and hog the course.... that is not racing.

[Bosseking]

No no. Late braking is ok... IF you make the corner! He cut it and went straight. I just can't believe how he didn't get penalized.

That moves was just desperate, dangerous and horrible. It's a pity that the leader was robbed the victory.

[batvette]

Well as I said earlier it depends on how you look at it, you have your perspective and I have mine, and you've a right to it. It can't have been THAT dangerous as he didn't crash. I would however question your logic in the spirit of racing that the leader was "robbed (of) the victory" which implies a right or guarantee was inherent and all he had to do was keep going around the course in whatever feeble manner he could muster. Different philosophies, I call it bold, you say foolish. OK.

[Bosseking]

I'm all up for overtaking. Better try than regret. BUT in this case Zanardi should've given the position back. You can't overtake in Monza by cutting the first chicane and you shouldn't be allow in Laguna Seca either.

[batvette]

Since the track officials did not rule against him I think it's not realistic to expect Zanardi to relinquish his victory. That's really the final word here, right or horribly wrong in hindsight really doesn't matter, the sanctioning body officials at the event are god, and god blessed zanardi that day.

[kinnokaizoku]

Not to cut in, but all 4 tires outside the circuit should disqualify the pass.

Zanardi was going so fast there's no way he could have kept even 1 tire inside the track, which should automatically disqualify the pass - or else why wouldn't every do that every lap? It IS the faster way through

[plankboi]

i was so angry about this. at that time it seemed so unfair to me. as you said it should have disqualified him or given him a black flag. that pass created a sensation and with his donuts they weren't about to crash the party. in hind sight I have to agree that was pretty inspirational and no longer hate zanardi.

[Bosseking]

I have never understood this "great" move... He just squeezes his car inside and cuts the corner... And didn't get penalized. Wtf?

[jraybay]

that is not fair and he didn't make corner successful >:\ .

[bonycnt9]

waw !!!  spectacular !!!

[Shramir]

that looks like a black flag move to me

[Redgy12]

tbh although it may be an illegal move i wouldnt penelise him for it coz 1 its a risky ballsy move n he pulled it off wich is exactly why people watch motorsports to see cars driven and drivers drive at the peak of danger, n it doesnt look to illegal coz he stayed on thru the first part of the corkscrew altho he went off on the 2nd part he kept it togethor n didnt crash or endager his fellow drivers so i say props to zanardi for that

[EBTerriers]

Zanardi was a bum!

[karmadrome]

Fact: the driver went completely off the track and cut off a corner of the S curve while attempting a pass.

There has always been a penalty for this action. It was the race stewards that messed up by failing to apply the pre-existing rule.

[PygoManiac]

That's a legit and risky move. You dont just go in gravel, come out of it and then turn in aggressively because its easy.

[1HOLYDIVER1]

how can that pass even stand he clearly cut the corner to gain an advantage

[Choice777]

@1HOLYDIVER1 it was like the last battle of the race, and the other driver could also cut the corner but chose not to, and its not liek that was a hug corner, not like the one schumacher cuts somethimes :D

[fabrix7777]

@1HOLYDIVER1 cutting the corner didn't gave him any position advantage(Zanardi made the pass b4 the corner), actually slowed him down a bit. You can see that the other driver almost passes him after that.

[dave41184]

@fabrix7777 but he also maintained the position by going off the track - that would be equally deserving of a penalty....

[jraybay]

@1HOLYDIVER1 Yea he cut the whole corkscrew basically but in 96 I dont think anyone cared about things like this. If it happened today it's probably a penalty.

[tommykl]

@jraybay Exactly. At that point, there was no rule preventing it. This pass was the event that triggered the inclusion of such a rule to effectively make this type of overtaking illegal.

[jraybay]

@tommykl Yeah This was a bit too much but it took a lot of bravery to brake that late I respect it in a way even though it was clearly cutting the corner lol

[MVGeneral]

@1HOLYDIVER1

You can even drive go off track on the dirt to win, but chances are u won't

Anything goes in races its just that if u stick to the designated road ull go faster and safer. This is just one of those cases

[1HOLYDIVER1]

@MVGeneral anything goes in races? so at the first chicane at monza you can just go straight ahead rather than actually, you know, go round a corner?...

[MVGeneral]

@1HOLYDIVER1

Yeah you could do that if you want, but chances are u will crash and won't win. The point is You can do anything.

[jraybay]

@MVGeneral No you cant do anything you want, there are rules permitting overtaking like this and there are even rules for dangerous driving resulting in a black flag. Where did you get that thought from? This isnt a video game this is reality.

[AubreySimpson17]

@1HOLYDIVER1 Sounds like a plan!

[jraybay]

@MVGeneral No anything doesnt go in races...

[praster666]

@1HOLYDIVER1 he passed before he went off the track

[HolyToledo0089]

intense.

[Ali695]

i do the same thing on gran turismo!

[jamie9000001]

yea but thats a game try doing it in real life

[kkmoederlelijk]

@Ali695 LOL

[markmiet]

@Ali695 Ok, that shouldn't be legal overtake move, but still was cool. I have never seen a cool overtake in a oval track.

[dienkonig33]

Kamaquazi dive :)

ethier he takes the place or hes gonna spill it

[svcxac]

I remember watching this live - it was awesome. Awesome for Zanardi robbing Herta of his first win in CART.

[jungiantheology]

PWN! Zanardi was the greatest Cart racer ever! "THE PASS". Nothing like it in Cart. Nothing! SImply supernatural. And totally fucking stupid! LAMO!

[HaystackCaldoon]

I always loved watching Zanardi race... one of the gutsiest, flashiest (some would say craziest) drivers of the lot. That was -before- he pulled this little gem of driving prowess out of his pocket and showed it to Herta. The man had fire inside, and still does, even today. Much <3 and respect for Zanardi and his joie de vivre here. :)

[sinister066]

skinned him..completely.

[Omoishinen]

すばらしいい

[chapumunoz]

el tractorista en accion, excelente piloto aun ahora!

[monkeyboy866]

cheater...

[SPQR100]

i'm a zinardi fan but thats an illegal pass he went off the track avoided the turn and gained a position

[BARsrule2]

it was made illegal the next season. it wasn't specified to the extent to make it illegal that year, especially considering the fact that both drivers knew they would have collided if zanardi had went wide after the pass to avoid the dirt.

[SPQR100]

yes but he didnt make the second turn of the chicane, completely missed it and didnt even attempt to make it, he should have slowed down to try and make the turn or the officials should have just given Herta the position back, not saying it was zinardi's fault just as far as racing is concerned he didnt deserve the position.

[aussiedrifter93]

He was already around him. He didntgain any track postion after cause the other car was right behind him.

[SPQR100]

the other car was behind him because zanardi just went straight didnt brake and attempt to make the turn and stay on the track, its illegal man and an unfair move, i am a huge zinardi fan just this pass was unfair and should have been called off by the officials, trust me if you look at it objectively you will see its just a bad pass and shouldnt have been left to go unchallenged by the officials

[swich68]

I thought that as well. Looks good but didn't he just cut the corner?

[Knightewolfe]

Zanardi had to make that pass the way he did, Herta had out braked him coming into the first part of the turn and Alex was carrying too much speed to safely make the second half of the chicane without making the move he did.

IMO, Zanardi's pass on Herta was a matter of safety. If he didnt make that pass the way he did, he would've spun after jumping on the brakes real hard and taken both him and Herta out.

KW

[bluemonolith88]

There should have been something in the second part of that chicane to prevent drivers from totally cutting across it like he did here. He should not have been allowed to keep the track position gained from that move. No wonder both IRL and Champcar are a joke.

[AleX9071]

Forza Alex

You great Champion

[dlight555]

I am a big Zanardi fan but he clearly gained a position by cutting the chicane. it should have been Herta's win

[indigoblue555]

He knew he was going to cut the chicane....

anyw he seems clearly faster and the other driver clearly amazed and unabled fo respond=

[zBMT34z]

mitico zanardi

[RTMagnum]

It was an crazy move. i`m surprised they let him keep the win since he was not on racing surface.

[sam72998]

SWEET

[raggityman]

I was standing right there and saw this pass with my own eyes. Everyone there thought Zanardi was about to have a huge shunt, but he suddenly demonstrated God-like car control and kept it on the track. Every other driver who did anything similar all weekend had a huge car destroying crash.

[surgictube]

Pimp 8)

[trademe900]

amazing balls with the brakes!

[bizadfar]

Yea he overshot the exit, I think nowadays you are required to let the guy back infront of you if you cut to get infront. Anyway a move into that part takes alot of balls.

[DarthSparhawk]

great!

[travo11er]

Zanardi's best

[monkeypoo1]

Anywho, he didn't make up any time, he had to fight for position on the exit, so it should be ok.

[JoeFoxx]

He cut the corner... Is that allowed? In TOCA race driver, I would get a penalty for that...

[monkeypoo1]

Hahahaha, thats a computer game, numpty.

[ian7796]

In that game, you get a penalty for everything. In real life, it just doesn't happen as much. I was watching the Monaco GP this year/last year and, as an Australian, I'm a huge Mark Webber fan. When Fernando Alonso TWICE cut the chicane to keep his position, I was livid and expected him to get a penalty. He didn't and Webber missed out on a podium.

[Zosoplant9534]

What are you talking about.. at the end webber was third and alonso fourth.. He managed to pass him

[ian7796]

Sorry! My memory was hazy at the time! However, I still remember being livid that Alonso didn't get any penalty what-so-ever, especially seeing he did cut the chicane twice.

[Zosoplant9534]

I agree anyway..

But in zanardi's case he cut the chicane after he got to pass him

[SchumiSaloZanardi]

Fantastic! Go Alessandro!