Why do the 2-BUS and 2-BUS lt sound different? They should sound exactly the same. Neve is the winner here, but I actually quite like the PM8 mix. Did you only sum 8 channels for the PM8 or did you have multiple units?
SPL sounds a little to HIFI for me. 3rd one (don't know the type/brand) is most bass heavy.
PM-8 is quite ok. x-sum lacks balls. Whats up with the t-tech? Where's the stereo image? sounds like phase problems. But then listen to the presence of the neve!
Best presence/low end/high end combination for me.
The Neve is punchier as well as the stereo image is better comparing to the other mixers. The 'mix Neve wide' though sounds over compressed to me. I suppose this unit with Apogee converters would give a good result.
SPL w/limiter jumped level significantly (didn't really help the sound though. Neve with the Wide setting was my favorite, but only because it felt cleaner and more open (again, unsure if the level jump just caused a perception difference). I was listening through a set of Adam A7s with no sub.
I like the way the tubetech handles the bottom end ... and the mix is so detailed. I am about to buy the Neve but in this example it sounds a bit untidy. Hmm. Of course, auditioning high-end audio gear via streaming internet video is possible not a very accurate reflection... although it does give some indication of how well mixes translate into contemporary compressed media...
THE TUBE TECH IS THE BEST BY FAR HANDS DOWN! LISTEN TO THE GLUE BETWEEN THE BASS AND THE KICK. ALSO LISTEN TO THE HIGH HAT IT IS NOT AS HARSH AS IN SOME OF THE OTHERS. ALSO LISTEN FOR THE SPACE BETWEEN THE MIXES. THE TUBE TECH IS SO WIDE. TEST BY SWITCHING BETWEEN THE ONE BEFORE.
@lumenaughty your right that the neve sounds pretty damn incredible but there is also a huge price difference :P I did really like how the 2 bus sounded too.
@dannthr Sorry, i don't have these files. All these stereo files are from the KEYS (German Keyboardmagazin January 2007) .The Tube Tech has got tubes. This is why it sounds compressed(Tubes compression/limiting)
@QUIX4U It's all been done right and correct!. You call me a lier. You're the lier! It's all the same version"only for you". I'm sure you're not an expert, if you can't hear the diffrences!
@jeromelester8 Ok smart A(r)s .. try figuring OUT -- exactly HOW - I did this .. as a fully summated final REMASTER. (and for your benefit .. i simply plonked it -- across Ur video -- as a response (and thus -- THAT ACTION - took it away from the video that it HAD been sitting upon .. for the last few months)
The video which I have responsed - to U:
Is .. basically -- something akin to ?
Seven Spanish Angels .. playing their harmonic Cordophones
@jeromelester8 Ok .. then U won't MIND.. approving a silly wee "responce" video on this one of your's .. of mine .. being as it is .. just a MONO .MP4 Nokia cellphone video -- of a small analogue system .. (which I currently have ... just a hanging on my wall.) eh?
@QUIX4U "In all my life I don't believe I've ever heard such bullshit. Even from you, a master of bullshit. You know it's a lie ,it'll always be a lie. ...
@jeromelester8 Yep-- as I said (& U'v just confirmed) YOU LIED.
Maybe someday U will actually GET to hear this "effect" inside a working analogue 13 ch surround sound system (for real) & then U2 will know that I did actually speak the truth & that VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE was heard (because U didn't do ALL the mixing's INSIDdE EACH & EVERY BOX) U just did the finals ON A PRE_MIXED "downmix" ? which- understandibly- U forgot all about (as that does NOT show any differences- inside final results).
Great video, thank you very much for taking the time of doing this test. For me, Tube-Tech and Neve win hands down, they are the most coloured and that is what I would be looking for in one of these pieces. I'm listening through ProAc Studio 100's with a Quad amp.
@jeromelester8 Thanks for the link! I actually know the XDesk quite well, its great and as you say very precise but for my taste a bit too clean and neutral, imho it starts coming to life when you integrate it with some nice outboard. I really like the sound of the Neve, it has a slightly larger than life quality (maybe because of the transformers) which I find very appealing.
hello i'm a beginner.. could u explain the signal routing from an audio interface to the summing mixer and back to ur daw?? i'm more interested in the ssa 2b.. do i need converters for this?? i'd like to use all the outputs so i'd appreciate a proper interface suggestion too..
Wow, the ssa 2b is a nice piece! Especially if you mix only in your DAW without tubes and outboard. I don't know wich interface you've got!? For example if you've got a MOTU 24I/0 (24outs), apogee ensemble(8outs) - connect these 8-16 individual output1/4-inch phone with the ssa 2b XLR female input with this cable<<<<<16-channel Snake, XLR Male-1/4" TRS Male, 10' Long. Then connect the LEFT RIGHT XLR male output from the ssa 2b with the 2 1/4-inch input (interf)with 2 of this cable
Why do the 2-BUS and 2-BUS lt sound different? They should sound exactly the same. Neve is the winner here, but I actually quite like the PM8 mix. Did you only sum 8 channels for the PM8 or did you have multiple units?
randomgong 1 week ago
@randomgong Sorry, there is no information available. All these stereo files are from the KEYS (German Keyboardmagazin January 2007)
jeromelester8 1 week ago
@jeromelester8 Oh, okay, I misunderstood. Cool video though :)
randomgong 1 week ago
Audio is sooo subjective, depends on what you are looking for. Very nice video though!
deetgeluid 2 weeks ago
The finalists are Dangerous 2Bus, SPL MixDream and Neve 8816.
beatchildproductions 3 weeks ago
would love to hear the SSL X-Desk up in this shoot out!
beatchildproductions 3 weeks ago
I must say 2bus sounds much more sweeter than the others, Protools would be my second fave..
DakeiVids 3 weeks ago
Did you use stereo expansion on the SPL?
deetgeluid 1 month ago
@deetgeluid Exacty! Thank you for your comments. Cheers!
jeromelester8 1 month ago
SPL sounds a little to HIFI for me. 3rd one (don't know the type/brand) is most bass heavy.
PM-8 is quite ok. x-sum lacks balls. Whats up with the t-tech? Where's the stereo image? sounds like phase problems. But then listen to the presence of the neve!
Best presence/low end/high end combination for me.
Great vid!!!!
deetgeluid 1 month ago
SPL and NEVE
salsabintang 1 month ago 2
wow..PM8 sounds very close to 2 bus
2011hifi 1 month ago
The Neve is punchier as well as the stereo image is better comparing to the other mixers. The 'mix Neve wide' though sounds over compressed to me. I suppose this unit with Apogee converters would give a good result.
makismakis69 1 month ago
Of course my favourite sound is the TubeTech :-) !!!
culturekiller 1 month ago
could somebody tell why a musician or producer needs a summier ?
almazonly 1 month ago
@almazonly Just compare it with digital summing inside your DAW.
I once mixed a live band on two Yamaha 01V's. Horrible!
Up to about 6/8 channels is ok, but when the summing gets to complex.... Oh my dear!
Of course nowadays with internal 32 bit floating point processing things are MUCH better...
deetgeluid 1 month ago
Neve Wins
suffpapst 2 months ago
Neve Wins
suffpapst 2 months ago
There is a Amek bc3 to sell on ebay, also nice for summing mixes.
Straessers 3 months ago
SPL w/limiter jumped level significantly (didn't really help the sound though. Neve with the Wide setting was my favorite, but only because it felt cleaner and more open (again, unsure if the level jump just caused a perception difference). I was listening through a set of Adam A7s with no sub.
lonzenator 3 months ago
I like the way the tubetech handles the bottom end ... and the mix is so detailed. I am about to buy the Neve but in this example it sounds a bit untidy. Hmm. Of course, auditioning high-end audio gear via streaming internet video is possible not a very accurate reflection... although it does give some indication of how well mixes translate into contemporary compressed media...
leonberrange 3 months ago
Neve wins, but I buy 2 bus for sound vs. price.
intrsoul 4 months ago
Neve all the way.........
marcusdolby1 4 months ago
Wow, there's a lot bigger differences between different units than I would have thought. Thank you for a very enlightening video!
lewisleeming 5 months ago
The Neve hands down. Worth the extra $
HerbieMusicProject 5 months ago
THE TUBE TECH IS THE BEST BY FAR HANDS DOWN! LISTEN TO THE GLUE BETWEEN THE BASS AND THE KICK. ALSO LISTEN TO THE HIGH HAT IT IS NOT AS HARSH AS IN SOME OF THE OTHERS. ALSO LISTEN FOR THE SPACE BETWEEN THE MIXES. THE TUBE TECH IS SO WIDE. TEST BY SWITCHING BETWEEN THE ONE BEFORE.
dangerousproduction1 5 months ago
Cool video but the chosen example track, gawd!
MrMbrave 7 months ago
@lumenaughty your right that the neve sounds pretty damn incredible but there is also a huge price difference :P I did really like how the 2 bus sounded too.
sifs4 7 months ago
mixer porn
DanielEBurnette 7 months ago 12
Man, the TubeTech sounds almost like bad compression! Jeromelester, do you have these files available as uncompressed PCM?
dannthr 8 months ago
@dannthr Sorry, i don't have these files. All these stereo files are from the KEYS (German Keyboardmagazin January 2007) .The Tube Tech has got tubes. This is why it sounds compressed(Tubes compression/limiting)
jeromelester8 8 months ago
@jeromelester8 Ah well, thanks anyway, and thanks for posting this video.
dannthr 8 months ago
Oops no hang about...
HERE is the full title .. to that wee REMASTER that'll have U as confused as a March Hare .. in the middle of M8ing season
Seven Spanish Angels Play Harmonic Cordophones - 64.77 Million Ch of Unidentifiable Ficticious Audio
And it's YT watch code?
watch?v=EGdJVV1SdDY
QUIX4U 9 months ago
hahaha.
Actually- by simply scrolling DOWN and thus remving the visual video
(from view)
AND just listening.?
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE in tonal quality or even recorded quality
All you have done is simply LOOPED the track into a continuous PLAY until 2.12
At which point -- you started altering the RECORDED VOLUMES UP & DOWN - to & from a normalised setpoint
AND then you were lifting recorded LEVELS Up & down -- to give an overall different effect.
?
IT is "all" the same version
QUIX4U 9 months ago
@QUIX4U It's all been done right and correct!. You call me a lier. You're the lier! It's all the same version"only for you". I'm sure you're not an expert, if you can't hear the diffrences!
jeromelester8 9 months ago
@jeromelester8 Ok smart A(r)s .. try figuring OUT -- exactly HOW - I did this .. as a fully summated final REMASTER. (and for your benefit .. i simply plonked it -- across Ur video -- as a response (and thus -- THAT ACTION - took it away from the video that it HAD been sitting upon .. for the last few months)
The video which I have responsed - to U:
Is .. basically -- something akin to ?
Seven Spanish Angels .. playing their harmonic Cordophones
QUIX4U 9 months ago
@QUIX4U Allright, do what you wanna do...
jeromelester8 9 months ago
@jeromelester8 Ok .. then U won't MIND.. approving a silly wee "responce" video on this one of your's .. of mine .. being as it is .. just a MONO .MP4 Nokia cellphone video -- of a small analogue system .. (which I currently have ... just a hanging on my wall.) eh?
QUIX4U 9 months ago
@QUIX4U Go for it!
jeromelester8 9 months ago
@QUIX4U "In all my life I don't believe I've ever heard such bullshit. Even from you, a master of bullshit. You know it's a lie ,it'll always be a lie. ...
jeromelester8 9 months ago
@jeromelester8 Yep-- as I said (& U'v just confirmed) YOU LIED.
Maybe someday U will actually GET to hear this "effect" inside a working analogue 13 ch surround sound system (for real) & then U2 will know that I did actually speak the truth & that VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE was heard (because U didn't do ALL the mixing's INSIDdE EACH & EVERY BOX) U just did the finals ON A PRE_MIXED "downmix" ? which- understandibly- U forgot all about (as that does NOT show any differences- inside final results).
QUIX4U 9 months ago
Great video, thank you very much for taking the time of doing this test. For me, Tube-Tech and Neve win hands down, they are the most coloured and that is what I would be looking for in one of these pieces. I'm listening through ProAc Studio 100's with a Quad amp.
babymicrobe 10 months ago
@babymicrobe The SSL X-Desk is also very good - more precision in the low end than the NEVE. Check this link!
jeromelester8 10 months ago
@jeromelester8 Thanks for the link! I actually know the XDesk quite well, its great and as you say very precise but for my taste a bit too clean and neutral, imho it starts coming to life when you integrate it with some nice outboard. I really like the sound of the Neve, it has a slightly larger than life quality (maybe because of the transformers) which I find very appealing.
babymicrobe 10 months ago
<<<Audio Cable, XLR Male-1/4" TRS Male, 10' Long
jeromelester8 10 months ago
hello i'm a beginner.. could u explain the signal routing from an audio interface to the summing mixer and back to ur daw?? i'm more interested in the ssa 2b.. do i need converters for this?? i'd like to use all the outputs so i'd appreciate a proper interface suggestion too..
TheSoyuken 10 months ago
Wow, the ssa 2b is a nice piece! Especially if you mix only in your DAW without tubes and outboard. I don't know wich interface you've got!? For example if you've got a MOTU 24I/0 (24outs), apogee ensemble(8outs) - connect these 8-16 individual output1/4-inch phone with the ssa 2b XLR female input with this cable<<<<<16-channel Snake, XLR Male-1/4" TRS Male, 10' Long. Then connect the LEFT RIGHT XLR male output from the ssa 2b with the 2 1/4-inch input (interf)with 2 of this cable
jeromelester8 10 months ago
@jeromelester8 thank u so much!!! :) do i need converters for motu??
TheSoyuken 10 months ago
@TheSoyuken surey no! converters are inside the motu.
jeromelester8 10 months ago
@jeromelester8 thx again!! ur videos are great!
TheSoyuken 10 months ago
OMG! 2.Bus Regular is amazing!!
FunicRock 11 months ago
This is a great video. Thanks!
craigsaltz 1 year ago