Pharmacology isn't the same thing as Hypocratic Medicine. I cannot recall the mans name but this individual used mercury to treat a brain problem to cure a Roman emperor. It nearly killed him but did cured him. From that day forward Pharma was endorsed by the empire over Hipocrate's method of do no harm. They infact believe that if the cure works but could kill you it is still worth the price. Roman Imperial Axiom: Let he who would be decieved be decived. Can you see it around you?
I understand what you're saying, but only to a point. My main concern with that Roman imperial axiom is what "would" means, as it's used in one of those coy poetic ways. Does the phrase mean "Let those who demand to be deceived, be deceived"? If so, I wholeheartedly endorse sticking it to those kind of people as much as possible.
However, if the phrase expresses "Let those who are honest and honestly trusting, be deceived", then I condemn it completely.
Because I do not believe that responsible people who are otherwise too preoccupied with carrying their respective weight in the world, should ever be so adolescently viewed with contempt because they can't be knowledgeable of ALL things, at ALL times.
To have that mentality is just pure evil that should be destroyed.
@TheLogicJunkie. The basis of a republic is a smaller group ruling over a larger group by representation, as you know, it can fall into empire as Rome had without an educated populace. The idea behind it is that if a man won't take time to investigate how a system actually works, no matter the type, that he deserves what he gets. Education now is primarily a public/governent endeavor it is a conflict of interest and is more of indoctrination than education. Sadly many are decieved today.
@QuantumKoala Um, look... I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't completely endorse the full extent of the idea of "caveat emptor" -- I think that expecting total vigilance in everything is just scapegoating and asking way too much.
People have too much to do, to learn and understand everything. And what's more, people are not invulnerable gods of immeasurable potential, despite what the new-agey narcissism philosophies preach. We should have only REASONABLE expectations of people.
@TheLogicJunkie. I don't disagree on that. It is just that far too many are trusting when they really shouldn't be. Goverment funded schools are going to naturally promote government and anything that would be detrimental to the establishment is mitgated into oblivion. In no way do I advocate taking advantage of another from thier own ignorance, but rather that we owe it to one another to convey the existance of this principle. You see it in the medical field, it is deep in the legal field too.
New Englanders have no human core. In fact, most people from the northeastern US have no passion or consideration for the other human beings around them.
This is the sort of information I thrive on. It helps me to know what people are like, where. I have enjoyed North Carolina very much, and Austin, Texas, was cool, too.
@TheLogicJunkie Maybe this will interest you too (just my own observations): New Englanders block entryways. It's especially noticeable at grocery stores here. They've got their cart full of stuff and are heading out the door, and decide to stop right in the doorway to find their keys/sunglasses/put away their change whatever. Happens everywhere here. Absolutely no consideration for the people around (or behind) them. I was shocked by this when I first moved here. I grew up in Texas.
This interests me greatly, because I took an online personality test that said that, basically, all the states that would suit me the best, are all around the northeast, basically: New York, Massachussetts, and so on.
Basically, I'm trying to avoid people who are like what I had to endure in the Pacific Northwest. Those are the worst people I've ever encountered in my entire life.
@TheLogicJunkie You've mentioned that before; about how hard the Pacific Northwest was because of the people. Have you expounded on that in a video? If so, which one? I'd like to see it.
Hey, do you have any book recommendations discusses the problems and the corruption within the pharmuceutical industry, psychiatrist community and modern medicine ?
i was busy trying to recover from the damages and hinderings of the rot branch of medicine
only prob is that i have to see all the people around me doing things i don't approve and see people die and i can not be there and i have to shrug my shoulders
but i suffer very much spiritually
20 years ago i was not ready but also the world was not ready
In one video about education or beautiful people you said that you got rejected my pre-med school, but here you say you were in it. What's up with that? Can't see logic there.
During my education for apothecary assistant i started researching religious cults, cause i fell in love with a Jehovahs Witness, and wanted to save her or make her understand. I found out that in the apothecary itself, the same type of information control is used.
The information we studied was superficial, authorative and unquestionable. So if i were to give proper advice in line with my own reasoning to a client, i'd be "excommunicated" from the workplace.
Oh, absolutely. Have you ever looked into the history of John D. Rockefeller, and how he used his vast wealth and ownership of his Standard Oil refinery multinational corporation to completely reshape the face of modern medicine and education?
He completely redirected it from a naturopathic focus, to petroleum-based medicine, with an exclusive emphasis on all the drugs we use today, which are derived from petroleum.
John D. Rockefeller basically hijacked the world to his advantage.
...Of course, they, being evil and corrupt and immature beyond the ability of rational minds to ever hope to fathom, would never come right out and explain that to students in the first place. Therein lieth the evil.
That's true. But I do console myself by realizing that almost everybody is speaking out nowadays, and that many are much less polite and precautious than I am.
You clearly demonstrate a lack of understanding when it comes to Medicine. Don't teach me my trade. And don't teach me about my religion. I thought the name "logicjunkie" would indicate the quality of material in your channel. I was wrong. Naturopathic medicine is a lie that spits on everything evidence based.
Why would you even come to my channel in the first place?
After all, you have a video on your channel called "Existence Defies Logic and Reason", and your whole point in that video is to dispel any notion that life can be logically understood. What, then, do you apply? Mysticism? Militancy?
Since you have no regard for logic as any kind of tool for living, why visit a channel called "TheLogicJunkie"? Were you looking for, perhaps, an easy ideological enemy to dominate?
You haven't watched my vid then. It was a reply to someone's vid. I was using his thinking momentum against him.
Anywho, I searching for some lectures on youtube and I found your vid. And I see you making all these absurd claims about modern Medicine. What do you know about modern Medicine?
People like you make the worst patients. It's not a conspiracy theory. Everything is based on evidence and is designed for optimum care within the best capacity of the technology we have.
It's not based on evidence... at least not all of it. It's based on bias-selected evidence.
It's only based on the evidence that can be rationalized as supporting some foregone conclusion about "proper" treatment approach, which "must" be justified at all costs.
It's called seeing what you want to see, because what you want to see is what you like to see, based upon an all-too-heavy investiture in some sacred model.
Another problem with medicine, as with all fields of study, is the whole phenomenon of what I'll call "inherited validation"... that is to say, somebody else claims to validate something, and then everybody else just operates on their declaration of validation.
What's especially insane about that is how, even in the face of their own experiences which defy those now-entrenched "truths", practitioners will mentally "screen out" what they've just experienced because it disagrees with the model.
Because of all this, people like me are only the "worst patients" to doctors who are driven by extreme obedience to tradition -- obedience to such an extent that far too much of what they present to patients, in the form of explanations and/or treatment -- starts showing signs that it's riddled with internal contradictions and holes.
But for doctors who don't employ that approach, people like me are the best patients there are, because we produce the results that are more truly authentic.
You might look into naturopathic medicine, although I have to warn you that it is filled with mystic-minded feminist-communist types who are "never wrong", and who have their own institutional fascism with regard to things like the fraud practice of homeopathy.
With that said, the nutritional, herbological, and physical emphasis of naturopathic medicine beats the hell out of much of allopathy.
I would strongly suggest that you look into the blood type diet of naturopath Peter D'Adamo.
I've heard of it, but I honestly don't know much about it. My impression of it, which might likely be ill-informed, is that it's just a B-list knockoff of medical school. If that's true, I'm not sure whether it would make more sense to go get a DO or get an MD down in Grenada or Mexico.
As far as I'm concerned, medicine is a very dirty game. It's hard for me to separate what practices you should ever really need a doctor for, from the ones you probably shouldn't.
honestly sir, i love helping people with their illness and i strongly believe that what u put into ur body is related to how u feel and look( look at some of these twenty-somethings who look 40 lol. its not a quick fix like conventional medicine, but u do truly heal then ease symptoms
There are medical schools in Mexico and Grenada that will take almost anybody, as a last resort. They may be scoffed at by some here in the states, but at least you get your training there.
Also, there are medical schools in other countries beside these, where being a doctor means being more than a cold-blooded corporate reptile.
Personally, I would say that you sound like an actual human being... and, as such, you should strongly consider that option; America has become a lifeless place.
...And, by "that option", I mean going to medical school in another country. Get your pre-med requirements fulfilled here, and then apply out of country, where you will likely have a much stronger chance of succeeding as a real human being. America has just become way too petty, inhuman, and monstrous.
I don't know much about the other countries' medical systems... it's not my vested interest anymore. Back when I was seriously interested in medical school, it was, but no longer.
If you're interested, that's part of your search... now, while you have time.
As far as antidepressents go, I think they do nothing to remove the cognitive processes that are driving the depression. What they do is to make you unable to let the feelings flow outward, but they're still there. You just can't express them anymore.
It's like you still feel the gravity of sadness pulling you downward, but the antidepressants put a platform underneath you so you cease falling.
But the problem with antidepressants is well-explained in a book by a rogue psychiatrist named "Your Drug May Be Your Problem" by Peter Breggin, MD...
In the book, he explains that the psych-pharm industry neglects to explain that, after you get used to being on a drug, if you try to get off it, your body experiences a perfectly natural rebound reaction called "withdrawal", in which extreme feelings of fear and sadness happen for about a week or so.
...But, rather than being fully honest about that, they choose to play upon layman ignorance of this fact by claiming that the withdrawal reaction is, instead, evidence that "You see? Your whole problem is indeed a 'chemical imbalance'".
Now, this is not to say that people cannot have chemically-induced, hormonal-imbalance-induced, or even malnutritionally-induced mood and cognitive disruptions. They can. But the industry is just way too eager to wind-sprint to prescription drugs.
Pharmacology isn't the same thing as Hypocratic Medicine. I cannot recall the mans name but this individual used mercury to treat a brain problem to cure a Roman emperor. It nearly killed him but did cured him. From that day forward Pharma was endorsed by the empire over Hipocrate's method of do no harm. They infact believe that if the cure works but could kill you it is still worth the price. Roman Imperial Axiom: Let he who would be decieved be decived. Can you see it around you?
QuantumKoala 5 months ago
I understand what you're saying, but only to a point. My main concern with that Roman imperial axiom is what "would" means, as it's used in one of those coy poetic ways. Does the phrase mean "Let those who demand to be deceived, be deceived"? If so, I wholeheartedly endorse sticking it to those kind of people as much as possible.
However, if the phrase expresses "Let those who are honest and honestly trusting, be deceived", then I condemn it completely.
TheLogicJunkie 5 months ago
Because I do not believe that responsible people who are otherwise too preoccupied with carrying their respective weight in the world, should ever be so adolescently viewed with contempt because they can't be knowledgeable of ALL things, at ALL times.
To have that mentality is just pure evil that should be destroyed.
TheLogicJunkie 5 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie. The basis of a republic is a smaller group ruling over a larger group by representation, as you know, it can fall into empire as Rome had without an educated populace. The idea behind it is that if a man won't take time to investigate how a system actually works, no matter the type, that he deserves what he gets. Education now is primarily a public/governent endeavor it is a conflict of interest and is more of indoctrination than education. Sadly many are decieved today.
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QuantumKoala 5 months ago
@QuantumKoala Um, look... I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't completely endorse the full extent of the idea of "caveat emptor" -- I think that expecting total vigilance in everything is just scapegoating and asking way too much.
People have too much to do, to learn and understand everything. And what's more, people are not invulnerable gods of immeasurable potential, despite what the new-agey narcissism philosophies preach. We should have only REASONABLE expectations of people.
TheLogicJunkie 5 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie. I don't disagree on that. It is just that far too many are trusting when they really shouldn't be. Goverment funded schools are going to naturally promote government and anything that would be detrimental to the establishment is mitgated into oblivion. In no way do I advocate taking advantage of another from thier own ignorance, but rather that we owe it to one another to convey the existance of this principle. You see it in the medical field, it is deep in the legal field too.
QuantumKoala 5 months ago
New Englanders have no human core. In fact, most people from the northeastern US have no passion or consideration for the other human beings around them.
dsrtflwr 1 year ago
This is the sort of information I thrive on. It helps me to know what people are like, where. I have enjoyed North Carolina very much, and Austin, Texas, was cool, too.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie Maybe this will interest you too (just my own observations): New Englanders block entryways. It's especially noticeable at grocery stores here. They've got their cart full of stuff and are heading out the door, and decide to stop right in the doorway to find their keys/sunglasses/put away their change whatever. Happens everywhere here. Absolutely no consideration for the people around (or behind) them. I was shocked by this when I first moved here. I grew up in Texas.
dsrtflwr 1 year ago
This interests me greatly, because I took an online personality test that said that, basically, all the states that would suit me the best, are all around the northeast, basically: New York, Massachussetts, and so on.
Basically, I'm trying to avoid people who are like what I had to endure in the Pacific Northwest. Those are the worst people I've ever encountered in my entire life.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie You've mentioned that before; about how hard the Pacific Northwest was because of the people. Have you expounded on that in a video? If so, which one? I'd like to see it.
dsrtflwr 1 year ago
No, I haven't made a video on that. In fact, I haven't made a video in a year and a half -- but I will be making more..
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
Hey, do you have any book recommendations discusses the problems and the corruption within the pharmuceutical industry, psychiatrist community and modern medicine ?
Pentazoid111 11 months ago
Try "Your Drug May Be Your Problem" by Peter Breggin.
And sorry about the thumbs down -- I hit the wrong button, and it won't remove.
TheLogicJunkie 11 months ago
Now i would like to start and study medicine now
just 20 years late
but it is not my fault
i was busy trying to recover from the damages and hinderings of the rot branch of medicine
only prob is that i have to see all the people around me doing things i don't approve and see people die and i can not be there and i have to shrug my shoulders
but i suffer very much spiritually
20 years ago i was not ready but also the world was not ready
how can i explain?
klett69 1 year ago
medicine is a tree with two branches
branch of pharmacology for avid consumer is rot & dry
cure for gastritis with acid suppressors, pain killers, antihypertensive, chemotherapy for all, vaccines, etc...drifted to business $
the green branch is the study of medicine : anatomy, physiology, understand how and when body works before disease
surgery to repair damages (fix bones when you crash somewhere, etc)
the prob is that i was thinking i had gastritis at 15 and trusted doctor. but never again
klett69 1 year ago
In one video about education or beautiful people you said that you got rejected my pre-med school, but here you say you were in it. What's up with that? Can't see logic there.
But you got a few nice thoughts anyway, cheers!
Tnat1on 1 year ago
So many new and interesting to know! Thank you Liked
TheAcquistocialis 1 year ago
I would love to share this with my study group. I am a med student
196323100 1 year ago
During my education for apothecary assistant i started researching religious cults, cause i fell in love with a Jehovahs Witness, and wanted to save her or make her understand. I found out that in the apothecary itself, the same type of information control is used.
The information we studied was superficial, authorative and unquestionable. So if i were to give proper advice in line with my own reasoning to a client, i'd be "excommunicated" from the workplace.
No room for personal thought.
Kaandorpius 2 years ago
Oh, absolutely. Have you ever looked into the history of John D. Rockefeller, and how he used his vast wealth and ownership of his Standard Oil refinery multinational corporation to completely reshape the face of modern medicine and education?
He completely redirected it from a naturopathic focus, to petroleum-based medicine, with an exclusive emphasis on all the drugs we use today, which are derived from petroleum.
John D. Rockefeller basically hijacked the world to his advantage.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
Well i know some bout the Rockefellers, but this is new for me. Thanx man,.. i'll have a closer look at it, seems pretty interesting.
Kaandorpius 2 years ago
"Here are the magic holy formulas. Learn them. Don't question. Just obey. "
I think any program that follows this kind of logic, (or anti-logic) should be considered complete bullshit. That is not education.
5amGordon 2 years ago
Pretty much, that's how it is.
...Of course, they, being evil and corrupt and immature beyond the ability of rational minds to ever hope to fathom, would never come right out and explain that to students in the first place. Therein lieth the evil.
TheLogicJunkie 2 years ago
another thing...be careful what u say
big brother is watching you...ehehehe =)
shasanni 3 years ago
That's true. But I do console myself by realizing that almost everybody is speaking out nowadays, and that many are much less polite and precautious than I am.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
You clearly demonstrate a lack of understanding when it comes to Medicine. Don't teach me my trade. And don't teach me about my religion. I thought the name "logicjunkie" would indicate the quality of material in your channel. I was wrong. Naturopathic medicine is a lie that spits on everything evidence based.
drwindow1 3 years ago
Why would you even come to my channel in the first place?
After all, you have a video on your channel called "Existence Defies Logic and Reason", and your whole point in that video is to dispel any notion that life can be logically understood. What, then, do you apply? Mysticism? Militancy?
Since you have no regard for logic as any kind of tool for living, why visit a channel called "TheLogicJunkie"? Were you looking for, perhaps, an easy ideological enemy to dominate?
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
You haven't watched my vid then. It was a reply to someone's vid. I was using his thinking momentum against him.
Anywho, I searching for some lectures on youtube and I found your vid. And I see you making all these absurd claims about modern Medicine. What do you know about modern Medicine?
drwindow1 3 years ago
Perhaps if you actually watched my video, you would know.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
People like you make the worst patients. It's not a conspiracy theory. Everything is based on evidence and is designed for optimum care within the best capacity of the technology we have.
drwindow1 3 years ago
It's not based on evidence... at least not all of it. It's based on bias-selected evidence.
It's only based on the evidence that can be rationalized as supporting some foregone conclusion about "proper" treatment approach, which "must" be justified at all costs.
It's called seeing what you want to see, because what you want to see is what you like to see, based upon an all-too-heavy investiture in some sacred model.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Another problem with medicine, as with all fields of study, is the whole phenomenon of what I'll call "inherited validation"... that is to say, somebody else claims to validate something, and then everybody else just operates on their declaration of validation.
What's especially insane about that is how, even in the face of their own experiences which defy those now-entrenched "truths", practitioners will mentally "screen out" what they've just experienced because it disagrees with the model.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
Because of all this, people like me are only the "worst patients" to doctors who are driven by extreme obedience to tradition -- obedience to such an extent that far too much of what they present to patients, in the form of explanations and/or treatment -- starts showing signs that it's riddled with internal contradictions and holes.
But for doctors who don't employ that approach, people like me are the best patients there are, because we produce the results that are more truly authentic.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
i would agree =(
i'm using proper diet to heal my body, but the doctor says that is incorrect
well stuffing me with those antibiotics clearly didn't do da job lol
i figured out myself that dairy is NOT for me, supplement calcium with dark, leafy veggies and feel fine
sadly, i'm on the pre-med track, but don't know how to correct this mentality of conventional medicine =(
shasanni 3 years ago
You might look into naturopathic medicine, although I have to warn you that it is filled with mystic-minded feminist-communist types who are "never wrong", and who have their own institutional fascism with regard to things like the fraud practice of homeopathy.
With that said, the nutritional, herbological, and physical emphasis of naturopathic medicine beats the hell out of much of allopathy.
I would strongly suggest that you look into the blood type diet of naturopath Peter D'Adamo.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
how about osteopathic medicine?
shasanni 3 years ago
I've heard of it, but I honestly don't know much about it. My impression of it, which might likely be ill-informed, is that it's just a B-list knockoff of medical school. If that's true, I'm not sure whether it would make more sense to go get a DO or get an MD down in Grenada or Mexico.
As far as I'm concerned, medicine is a very dirty game. It's hard for me to separate what practices you should ever really need a doctor for, from the ones you probably shouldn't.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
grenada? mexico?-don't get it
honestly sir, i love helping people with their illness and i strongly believe that what u put into ur body is related to how u feel and look( look at some of these twenty-somethings who look 40 lol. its not a quick fix like conventional medicine, but u do truly heal then ease symptoms
issue is...i still want to make money lol
if only i could a compromise in between
shasanni 3 years ago
There are medical schools in Mexico and Grenada that will take almost anybody, as a last resort. They may be scoffed at by some here in the states, but at least you get your training there.
Also, there are medical schools in other countries beside these, where being a doctor means being more than a cold-blooded corporate reptile.
Personally, I would say that you sound like an actual human being... and, as such, you should strongly consider that option; America has become a lifeless place.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
...And, by "that option", I mean going to medical school in another country. Get your pre-med requirements fulfilled here, and then apply out of country, where you will likely have a much stronger chance of succeeding as a real human being. America has just become way too petty, inhuman, and monstrous.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
i see
which countries would u recommend?
if so, what is different about their healthcare systems?
shasanni 3 years ago
I don't know much about the other countries' medical systems... it's not my vested interest anymore. Back when I was seriously interested in medical school, it was, but no longer.
If you're interested, that's part of your search... now, while you have time.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
thank u for ur help =)
shasanni 3 years ago
You're welcome. I've tried to be fair, but I just regret that I don't have a more positive outlook on things here at home.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
i love ur videos man. i can always count on u making some sense of shit. im wondering tho, wut do u think of anti-depressants?
djtanner66 3 years ago
Thanks for the compliment. I try.
As far as antidepressents go, I think they do nothing to remove the cognitive processes that are driving the depression. What they do is to make you unable to let the feelings flow outward, but they're still there. You just can't express them anymore.
It's like you still feel the gravity of sadness pulling you downward, but the antidepressants put a platform underneath you so you cease falling.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
But the problem with antidepressants is well-explained in a book by a rogue psychiatrist named "Your Drug May Be Your Problem" by Peter Breggin, MD...
In the book, he explains that the psych-pharm industry neglects to explain that, after you get used to being on a drug, if you try to get off it, your body experiences a perfectly natural rebound reaction called "withdrawal", in which extreme feelings of fear and sadness happen for about a week or so.
But...
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago
...But, rather than being fully honest about that, they choose to play upon layman ignorance of this fact by claiming that the withdrawal reaction is, instead, evidence that "You see? Your whole problem is indeed a 'chemical imbalance'".
Now, this is not to say that people cannot have chemically-induced, hormonal-imbalance-induced, or even malnutritionally-induced mood and cognitive disruptions. They can. But the industry is just way too eager to wind-sprint to prescription drugs.
TheLogicJunkie 3 years ago