Someone mentioned that the 2nd Viennese sound has been popularized by "movie soundtracks, etc". But to my knowledge, there is no "etc". Movie soundtracks are the full extent of the popularization. And we're talking about decades-old soundtracks, I suspect. And then there's the Boulez, Stockhausen, Xenakis, Cage, Babbitt train-wreck. It's a wonder that we had a Schnittke to enjoy afterward. The rest is silence.
I like this music, but it failed publicly because of lack of balance. In music from the common practice period, there was more or less a balance between dissonance and consonance. Here the latter left out. Schoenberg himself admonished his students not to follow him, but to go back, and find something new in the old.
The funny thing is-I think most people wouldn't consider these musical pieces "shocking" or "random" sounding anymore, since the style of the second viennese school has found it's way in the head of the popular audience through movie soundtracks etc.
People are now able to imagine what Schönberg, Berg and Webern were aiming for with their music, the intended expression became universally clearer as the years passed by. It's gonna be the same with 50/60's serialism and Elliott Carter soon.
@playingmusiconmars : I agree that this kind of music lives on in movie soundtracks. But then again stuff like this is only used to express madness, terror and fear - which tells a lot about the music and the people who listen to it.
Schoenberg´s music exists for 100 years now and still has failed to reach a major audience, After all this time even his die-hard fans should admit that his approach has failed.
@VienneseDelights I am sorry to contradict you. It has not failed. He proved his point, he followed his path. It failed commercially, but that is not it's point, so in the end it did not fail. Do you think Berthoven walked around Vienna thinking how much money he could make? No, he wrote some stuff commercially, I am sure. But so did Schoenberg... Schrammelmusik. He arranged Viennese waltzes.
@playingmusiconmars I have never thought about that. Its an interesting thought! Its hard for me to imagine how it feels like to be commonly tone deaf, but my experience with most people is still, that whenever they are exposed to atonal music, they dont seem to like it.
The International Mathias Bamert Society!!!!! This was from WCLV-FMs Saturday night Show. MB was Cleve Orch's resident conductor late 60s/early 70s. The voiceover is WCLV's Robert Conrad.
@cmontheplane and @ didgeboy287 I think they used one of Stravinsky's non-serial works on purpose because they wanted a bunch of dramatic notes and they wanted to get fictional 12-tone fans mad when Stravinsky was on there and it wasn't even one of his serial works. But that's just my opinion.
to all naysayers of this wonderful music, i think even the most conservative among you will admit that Cher has done far more damage to modern music that The Second Viennese School ever could have.
Wow! I've got to get this LP! All the music I haven't listened to since my collegiate music major days 34 years ago. Can't wait to not listen to them again!
Seems like this was made by a twelve-tone listener, but the snipe at Berg at 1:48 was funny and harsh! "Virtuosity in violin playing"...(ensuing clip has Violin playing all the open strings slowly, from bottom to top and back)
Robert Conrad of WCLV was a genius of classical music humor. Can you imagine people tuning in to listen to a pledge drive, yet that's what they did! I loved that station.
This is absolutely hilarious! I love the way they skewer the original serialists here (and I'm actually a pretty big fan of Schoenberg, Berg & Webern, etc.). 5 stars!
@, e.g., Jazzyful2 -- "Tonality" in no way presupposes chords or "progressions" thereof. Essentially homophonic musics such as Indian and Arab are *tonal*. Different notes of the scale in force don't have to be sounded simultaneously to establish different tonal centers within the scale; melody suffices. The oldest surviving and confirmed instruments are flutes of various sorts, and they seem to be tuned to 5-, 6- and 7-tone scales. Some are still playable.
I can't seem to find the response that yours is directed at, but maybe that person means music before functional harmony (ex. Plainchant, Organum, etc.) and/or modal music. Using the term pretonal isn't exactly as idiotic as you make it seem.
Search for "pretonal" on this page, you'll find it. Maybe I replied to a straw man and the word was used as you suggest -- pre-functional-harmony, music that sounds good (/is conceivable) on instruments in non-tempered tuning. But even if the term is meant narrowly I think it's inappropriate, as it suggests the whole realm of Western self-congratulatory psuedo-scientific put-downs -- "pre-logical", "pre-literate", and so on. Peace y'all.
The problem is that there is no central theory of atonal harmony to this day. In practice, the way how a tone row is used is motivated by the intended harmony.
Central Theories of any kind of harmony always come on the heels of the people who write music. The rules come by inference, and did not exist for the composer. When music sounds great, other people naturally want to figure out why, so making theories or rules seems the way...Our last century contained so many fragmented viewpoints in all kinds of music, it follows that there is no one central theory of atonal harmony.
Theories mostly are made from Musicologist out of what Musicians practically do. What I've meant was, that the point of harmony was unfortunately very sparse in the focus of musicologist in the 20th century. For example, you can read tons of analysis about,works using twelvetone rows, which do not contain a single word about harmony. And this let people think, it wasn't important or didn't exist. But of course it was still a very important for writing music.
@johnstrieder I don't dislike it. I just think it's only part of music theory. I still like how people gave me thumbs-down when I said that tonal music is still good. As if by liking tonal music, I am automatically against atonal...
Hi sorry, I think I answered rvaughanwilliams1988. But you've written a lot tendencious stuff here. Personally I like atonal music much more than tonal music, and I'm not the only one :)
Your point is valid. My point is just that atonal music is ultimately something that comes from tonal music. Most (tonal) music is, at its heart, based on fundamental ideas of music. The pentatonic scale, for example, is pretty much universal across all cultures.
Atonality (knowingly) defies these principles. It is enjoyable - for some more than for others - but because it defies these principles, I don't think it is the next step in musical evolution but merely another branch.
That's just your opinion. Tonal music is just a little island of 300 years in western europe. There are results of music research, that conditioning is everything, and most of those "fundamental ideas" do not exist. Besides all that, I don't understand your motivation making so many posts about this under a video with atonal music. Why don't you enjoy your tonal music and be happy with that?
You're ignoring a good half of what I said. I LIKE atonal music - I've said it several times, and you still don't seem to get it. My discussion of tonality also acknowledged it was a recent Western convention. I was referring to only a few elements - the pentatonic scale being the major one - that are more widespread.
If you're going to take small elements of what I say and hear them out of context, of course it'll sound like I'm assaulting you.
Ok ;) I was refering to Sentences like "Atonality (knowingly) defies these principles [fundamental ideas of music]." That all sounds so negative! For me the point of Atonality is not being against Tonality, but explore new possibilites and freedom.
Okay; that makes sense. Reworded - I see atonality as part of musical evolution. We had pretonal music, then we had tonality, then chromaticism, then atonality. Within all such tonal densities, there is always plenty of potential. Atonality is another addition to our "arsenal" of potential tonalities, and I welcome it: Composers can create pieces that use atonality, or a density somewhere between the tonal and the atonal. It just adds to our potential, musically. I'd be dumb to ignore it.
Put simply, atonality is a subversion of what we know. And there is room for such things: A movie with a sad ending, a story with a logic that defies what we expect. Abstract art is beautiful, but it's different. The ability to create cubist works is impressive and interesting, but ultimately, the average eye will relate more easily to a realistic landscape. It is not that one is more or less sophisticated. It is just that one appeals to natural feelings, and one knowingly defies them.
Oh geez, not this kitsch-mongering "know-it-all" kid again. I have no words for your RIDICULOUS comments. Stop searching atonal videos and commenting with your retarded 2-cents. Nobody cares what someone who arranged a fucking Counting Crows song has to say.
Also, the singer for that terrible band comes into my girlfriends work, and he's a douche.
@saladshootavvv For the record, I've been finding myself pressing "discard" much more frequently...
In other words, yes, I actually agree with your negative opinion of me, and will act accordingly. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't act like that in real life, so might as well not online.
This is really a VERY funny compilation. It's just sad that it echoes the opinion of so many. And I actually DO go around humming Schonberg's (et al) tunes. His music is VERY tuneful, expressive, and often quite (intentionally) humorous as well!
I think it's subtler than that. The humor is right on the edge, making fun of the entire situation. That's why it's so funny. I almost busted a gut laughing. It is a fact that atonal music is used a lot in soundtracks for horror films.
This is a clip put together (I believe) by Robert Conrad of WCLV FM Cleveland. His voice is on the clip (He's the "voice" of The Cleveland Orchestra), and Matthias Bamert, of The Matthias Bamert Society, was an assistant conductor in Cleveland. He also was director of the Lucerne Festival for a time.
And it is not the only not-dodecaphonic piece heard in the commercial - if I recall correctly, most of them are not. Still it is a very funny video. And I must say that I quite a often hum or whistle atonal melodies - Webern had a remarkable understanding of melodies and his atonal works are full of catchy motifs.
This is so great. Maybe I'm just a nerd. Berg's concerto (other than just the beginning) is not easy certainly, but it is a funny choice to call "virtuoso" violin writing (5th's up and down the strings).
I cannot tell if this is in good humor or insidious vitriol. Regardless, Arnold Schoenberg and his pupils are all geniuses and we still owe them great respect to their influence.
If you think that there could be "insidious vitriol" in this lovingly put together spoof, then you haven't the soul to discourse on who is a genius; that you could even think of a letter-to-the-editor farrago of words, such as "insidious vitriol," proves that you deserve no respect when you demand respect from others.
I must warn others against this release, the presentation is seriously lacking for the meager 4-page 'booklet' didn't include the choreography for the stupendous Webern symphony dance.
Wonderful. And including The Rite was idiotic.
pgweeks 2 weeks ago
Where can I get this CD?
AfroDeezeeYak 3 weeks ago
Pierrot Lunaire isn't 12-tone (Yes I realize I'm picking hairs)
texancomposer 3 months ago
Then again neither is Rite... ehhh... kinda fail come to think of it.
texancomposer 3 months ago
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Then again neither is Rite... ehhh... kinda fail come to think of it.
texancomposer 3 months ago
@texancomposer Neither are most of the other pieces heard on the video... which makes it all the more funny :D
NitramZiarreh 2 months ago
I'm still waiting for the second album, with all the songs from my childhood, like "Survivor of Warsaw."
Aang1 3 months ago 2
Most of the music they use for this "commercial", if not all of it, is not twelve tone :-S... Besides the title, this is very funny :-D.
EdiEllerymissing 3 months ago
@EdiEllerymissing There a few exceptions (Webern's Symphonie, Berg's violin concerto etc.), but you're right, most of them are not.
NitramZiarreh 2 months ago
twelve-tone music is ugliness-beauty. pop-music is beauty-ugliness.
elgaed69 4 months ago
@elgaed69 elgaed69 is ugliness-ugliness.
fontinau 4 months ago
@fontinau fontinau is from the USA
elgaed69 4 months ago
@elgaed69 elgaed thinks "from the USA" constitutes a comeback.
fontinau 4 months ago
@fontinau I live in the USA. When it comes to music, yeah being from the USA is a major disadvantage.
elgaed69 4 months ago
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fontinau 4 months ago
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@elgaed69 elgaed69 is a hick who understands neither the USA nor Europe.
fontinau 4 months ago
@elgaed69 Being from the USA is an even bigger disadvantage with regard to language.
elgaed69 4 months ago
Ironically, the part they play here from "Lulu" is from the end of act III, which was completed after Berg died.
mujerado 5 months ago
Someone mentioned that the 2nd Viennese sound has been popularized by "movie soundtracks, etc". But to my knowledge, there is no "etc". Movie soundtracks are the full extent of the popularization. And we're talking about decades-old soundtracks, I suspect. And then there's the Boulez, Stockhausen, Xenakis, Cage, Babbitt train-wreck. It's a wonder that we had a Schnittke to enjoy afterward. The rest is silence.
pgweeks 5 months ago
I like this music, but it failed publicly because of lack of balance. In music from the common practice period, there was more or less a balance between dissonance and consonance. Here the latter left out. Schoenberg himself admonished his students not to follow him, but to go back, and find something new in the old.
shnimmuc 6 months ago
I just love this. I really do.
AjiSabaki 6 months ago
Alban Berg never finished Lulu?
AjiSabaki 6 months ago
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Reddog619 7 months ago
fffFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuu........!!!!
MegaRudeBoy69 8 months ago
When Dada lost its smile.
catchersmitt0 9 months ago
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suryashrestha1 9 months ago
Herrlich.
definitivunkreativ 9 months ago
The funny thing is-I think most people wouldn't consider these musical pieces "shocking" or "random" sounding anymore, since the style of the second viennese school has found it's way in the head of the popular audience through movie soundtracks etc.
People are now able to imagine what Schönberg, Berg and Webern were aiming for with their music, the intended expression became universally clearer as the years passed by. It's gonna be the same with 50/60's serialism and Elliott Carter soon.
playingmusiconmars 9 months ago
@playingmusiconmars : I agree that this kind of music lives on in movie soundtracks. But then again stuff like this is only used to express madness, terror and fear - which tells a lot about the music and the people who listen to it.
Schoenberg´s music exists for 100 years now and still has failed to reach a major audience, After all this time even his die-hard fans should admit that his approach has failed.
VienneseDelights 8 months ago
@VienneseDelights I am sorry to contradict you. It has not failed. He proved his point, he followed his path. It failed commercially, but that is not it's point, so in the end it did not fail. Do you think Berthoven walked around Vienna thinking how much money he could make? No, he wrote some stuff commercially, I am sure. But so did Schoenberg... Schrammelmusik. He arranged Viennese waltzes.
Snafuski 5 months ago
@playingmusiconmars I have never thought about that. Its an interesting thought! Its hard for me to imagine how it feels like to be commonly tone deaf, but my experience with most people is still, that whenever they are exposed to atonal music, they dont seem to like it.
mikkeljs 4 months ago
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I'm a big fan of the Second Viennese School, but this is hysterically funny.
"Yes, friends, 187 full-length hits on one giant stereo LP!"
unRompecabezas 10 months ago
"And who could forget this horrible moment in twelve-tone enjoyment?" *vacuum cleaner* lol
cgtcza 10 months ago
The International Mathias Bamert Society!!!!! This was from WCLV-FMs Saturday night Show. MB was Cleve Orch's resident conductor late 60s/early 70s. The voiceover is WCLV's Robert Conrad.
queenoftheuniverse 10 months ago
You do realize most of those compositions weren't twelve tone compositions, right?
LiquorWithJazz 11 months ago 3
2:12 Was that Rowdy Roddy Piper????
savemyplaylist 1 year ago
_The Rite of Spring_ was only in there to coincide with that six-gun shooter...... This is about the funniest classical music parody I've seen!
nhurrel 1 year ago 3
I don't know if that's supposed to be taken as a slight towards Raff or not. He's better than many more famous composers.
dogtransport 1 year ago
this is superLOL!!! xD xD
minimalisminmusic 1 year ago
@cmontheplane and @ didgeboy287 I think they used one of Stravinsky's non-serial works on purpose because they wanted a bunch of dramatic notes and they wanted to get fictional 12-tone fans mad when Stravinsky was on there and it wasn't even one of his serial works. But that's just my opinion.
AyumuVanguard 1 year ago
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AyumuVanguard 1 year ago
I love all of it. The actual music. The making fun of the music. The fighting over the making fun of the music.
emmywright 1 year ago 15
to all naysayers of this wonderful music, i think even the most conservative among you will admit that Cher has done far more damage to modern music that The Second Viennese School ever could have.
also, hilarious
cnmaster01 1 year ago 4
I'd still rather listen to this that commercial pop radio!!!
THEFCJO 1 year ago 10
This is so sarcastic... Love it!!! xD
cafity 1 year ago 2
sorry to be a nerd but Bergs 3 pieces for Orch isn't twelve tone
McCormackMusic 1 year ago 3
Stravinkys Sacre isn't 12-tone either, in fact it's a decade before it all began (1913)
Nevertheless cool stuff.
brotherjohn123 1 year ago 2
La mediocridad estadounidense burlándose de la cultura europea...
eduardoechaniz 1 year ago
This is awesome.
Jimbothenoob 1 year ago
Wow! I've got to get this LP! All the music I haven't listened to since my collegiate music major days 34 years ago. Can't wait to not listen to them again!
jackdalton51 1 year ago
Should have used "Requiem Canticles" instead of "Rite of Spring!"
cmontheplane 1 year ago 3
@cmontheplane It's a shame to throw in such a great piece as Rite of Spring with the 12 tone works.
didgeboy287 1 year ago
It was an April fools joke made with Matthias Bamert when he was in Cleveland!
yohanfish 1 year ago 5
hilarious! Was this video really made by the asc? good sense of humor.
lorenzarthur91 1 year ago
"and a guest appearance from Igor Stravinski!"
johnytoxicity 1 year ago 2
'By the same Geniie' Hahahaha!
witness124 1 year ago
Never got to see the visuals with this commercial! Cool!
musicsegue618 1 year ago
Ha ha...nice
CDFakaTodd 1 year ago
this delights me to no end!
georgeherriman 1 year ago
Zwölftonmusik wurde nicht geschrieben um lustig zu sein ihr Ignoranten.
herbertsa 1 year ago
@herbertsa : Genau. Das ist ernst. Richtig ernst. Echte, ernste E-Musik.
(*g)
Marlene55M 1 year ago 4
Die schönsten Twölftonmusik-Hits - jetzt auf einer LP....
AxelBerlin30 1 year ago
This is really funny! OK, not all of the music played is 12-tone, some of it is atonal. But its still funny!
johnnoelwheeler2 1 year ago 3
lol!
dorfischer 1 year ago
Where can we order?
markmdavis 1 year ago
Someday this may actually come to pass. I will await seeing the complete Viennese School at Costco, in the meantime.
mikern2001 1 year ago
PURE GENIUS!
johnnynoirman 1 year ago
Bello.
34fgsfgsdtu48w7qtaqt 1 year ago
Seems like this was made by a twelve-tone listener, but the snipe at Berg at 1:48 was funny and harsh! "Virtuosity in violin playing"...(ensuing clip has Violin playing all the open strings slowly, from bottom to top and back)
kentokhromatic 1 year ago 4
@kentokhromatic
Actually the open strings is from the beginning of the Berg Violin Concerto.
darthdidious 1 year ago 3
Amusing, very, but !!!!!!
joanabanyeres 1 year ago
Robert Conrad of WCLV was a genius of classical music humor. Can you imagine people tuning in to listen to a pledge drive, yet that's what they did! I loved that station.
racheleleeba 1 year ago
(Phone tree for Classical Music, heard at the beginning of a PDQ Bach record:)
"...You've got to be kidding. You have selected Arnold Schoenberg. Please select a composer whose music you actually like."
(Just what I need, my daily dose of psychosis.)
rakkav 1 year ago
THIS WAS AWESOME!
johnnynoirman 1 year ago
That might be one of the funniest things I have ever seen!
lewinmusic 1 year ago
Brilliant! Particularly love the surprise visit from Stravinsky - and the accompanying visual!
sharky123 1 year ago
Which part of "Lulu" is that from?
jookyle 1 year ago
@jookyle This is from Act III, final scene, the moment when Jack the Ripper kills Lulu
hjkfdsltbcvlhkdjf 1 year ago
@jookyle
Lulu's murder by Jack the Ripper
wesleyan97 1 year ago
rowdy roddy piper!!
sleazebee 1 year ago
Arnie Schönberg?
DrEddiShaw 1 year ago
"Alban, Arnold and Anton: three of the greatest composers since Joachim Raff." LMAO!
TheCentaur23 1 year ago 4
and "International Matthias Bamert Society"! LOL
TheCentaur23 1 year ago
@TheCentaur23 I think it's Rachmaninoff..
achan1058 1 year ago
Genial! Des Scheiber'l muss ich mir unbedingt holen. Die is' halt au so super zum Abtänzen.
janecroft 1 year ago
uhmhat einer bock bissl zu quatschn ihr werdets warscheinlich nicht bereuen ^^
larryhammonsfyes 1 year ago
This is absolutely hilarious! I love the way they skewer the original serialists here (and I'm actually a pretty big fan of Schoenberg, Berg & Webern, etc.). 5 stars!
bsdml 1 year ago 12
Shucks - I wish I'd known about this wonderful LP in time for Valentine's Day. It's hard to imagine a more fittingly romantic gift.
paulprocopolis 1 year ago 7
Sexy tunes! :-P
pianopera 1 year ago 3
"pretonal music"? I know of no examples of this, and suspect there is not & never has been any such thing
twangist 2 years ago
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Jazzyful2 1 year ago
@, e.g., Jazzyful2 -- "Tonality" in no way presupposes chords or "progressions" thereof. Essentially homophonic musics such as Indian and Arab are *tonal*. Different notes of the scale in force don't have to be sounded simultaneously to establish different tonal centers within the scale; melody suffices. The oldest surviving and confirmed instruments are flutes of various sorts, and they seem to be tuned to 5-, 6- and 7-tone scales. Some are still playable.
twangist 1 year ago
I can't seem to find the response that yours is directed at, but maybe that person means music before functional harmony (ex. Plainchant, Organum, etc.) and/or modal music. Using the term pretonal isn't exactly as idiotic as you make it seem.
saladshootavvv 1 year ago
Search for "pretonal" on this page, you'll find it. Maybe I replied to a straw man and the word was used as you suggest -- pre-functional-harmony, music that sounds good (/is conceivable) on instruments in non-tempered tuning. But even if the term is meant narrowly I think it's inappropriate, as it suggests the whole realm of Western self-congratulatory psuedo-scientific put-downs -- "pre-logical", "pre-literate", and so on. Peace y'all.
twangist 1 year ago
lol!
saladshootavvv 1 year ago
splendidly absurd
sahmbedah 2 years ago 5
The problem is that there is no central theory of atonal harmony to this day. In practice, the way how a tone row is used is motivated by the intended harmony.
johnstrieder 2 years ago
Central Theories of any kind of harmony always come on the heels of the people who write music. The rules come by inference, and did not exist for the composer. When music sounds great, other people naturally want to figure out why, so making theories or rules seems the way...Our last century contained so many fragmented viewpoints in all kinds of music, it follows that there is no one central theory of atonal harmony.
kramnos6 2 years ago
Theories mostly are made from Musicologist out of what Musicians practically do. What I've meant was, that the point of harmony was unfortunately very sparse in the focus of musicologist in the 20th century. For example, you can read tons of analysis about,works using twelvetone rows, which do not contain a single word about harmony. And this let people think, it wasn't important or didn't exist. But of course it was still a very important for writing music.
johnstrieder 2 years ago
@BenMcCormack91: Your opinion does't interest me at all.
Second Viennese School rules!!!
johnstrieder 2 years ago 2
@johnstrieder I don't dislike it. I just think it's only part of music theory. I still like how people gave me thumbs-down when I said that tonal music is still good. As if by liking tonal music, I am automatically against atonal...
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
Hi sorry, I think I answered rvaughanwilliams1988. But you've written a lot tendencious stuff here. Personally I like atonal music much more than tonal music, and I'm not the only one :)
johnstrieder 2 years ago 2
Your point is valid. My point is just that atonal music is ultimately something that comes from tonal music. Most (tonal) music is, at its heart, based on fundamental ideas of music. The pentatonic scale, for example, is pretty much universal across all cultures.
Atonality (knowingly) defies these principles. It is enjoyable - for some more than for others - but because it defies these principles, I don't think it is the next step in musical evolution but merely another branch.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
That's just your opinion. Tonal music is just a little island of 300 years in western europe. There are results of music research, that conditioning is everything, and most of those "fundamental ideas" do not exist. Besides all that, I don't understand your motivation making so many posts about this under a video with atonal music. Why don't you enjoy your tonal music and be happy with that?
johnstrieder 2 years ago
You're ignoring a good half of what I said. I LIKE atonal music - I've said it several times, and you still don't seem to get it. My discussion of tonality also acknowledged it was a recent Western convention. I was referring to only a few elements - the pentatonic scale being the major one - that are more widespread.
If you're going to take small elements of what I say and hear them out of context, of course it'll sound like I'm assaulting you.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
Ok ;) I was refering to Sentences like "Atonality (knowingly) defies these principles [fundamental ideas of music]." That all sounds so negative! For me the point of Atonality is not being against Tonality, but explore new possibilites and freedom.
johnstrieder 2 years ago
Okay; that makes sense. Reworded - I see atonality as part of musical evolution. We had pretonal music, then we had tonality, then chromaticism, then atonality. Within all such tonal densities, there is always plenty of potential. Atonality is another addition to our "arsenal" of potential tonalities, and I welcome it: Composers can create pieces that use atonality, or a density somewhere between the tonal and the atonal. It just adds to our potential, musically. I'd be dumb to ignore it.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago 3
Good :D
johnstrieder 2 years ago
300 years? Don't think so.
johnnylifelive 2 years ago
@johnnylifelive: Okay, maybe 300 years are too much ;) And of course only in western-europe.
johnstrieder 2 years ago
Put simply, atonality is a subversion of what we know. And there is room for such things: A movie with a sad ending, a story with a logic that defies what we expect. Abstract art is beautiful, but it's different. The ability to create cubist works is impressive and interesting, but ultimately, the average eye will relate more easily to a realistic landscape. It is not that one is more or less sophisticated. It is just that one appeals to natural feelings, and one knowingly defies them.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
Oh geez, not this kitsch-mongering "know-it-all" kid again. I have no words for your RIDICULOUS comments. Stop searching atonal videos and commenting with your retarded 2-cents. Nobody cares what someone who arranged a fucking Counting Crows song has to say.
Also, the singer for that terrible band comes into my girlfriends work, and he's a douche.
saladshootavvv 1 year ago 2
@saladshootavvv For the record, I've been finding myself pressing "discard" much more frequently...
In other words, yes, I actually agree with your negative opinion of me, and will act accordingly. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't act like that in real life, so might as well not online.
BenMcCormack91 1 year ago
Why cut it there? It just got to the good part of The Rite of Spring!
achan1058 2 years ago
2.00: "Who could forget this colourful moment in 12-tone enjoyment?"
Genius!
flibbertergibbet 2 years ago 2
Wow I wish this compilation actually existed
jcfs123 2 years ago
alban arnold....and anton
MinimalistCouch 2 years ago
I love the Stravinsky intro
TheShredworthy 2 years ago
"It's music that works whether you can analyze it or not."
You have really gotten to the root of the issue there. Tonality works even if you don't understand how.
rvaughanwilliams1988 2 years ago
2:03 "Or this tender, loving passage in Alban's unfinished opera, 'Lulu'?"
thinedoor2 2 years ago 17
@thinedoor2
This one is my best favorite!!!! I also like the Stravinsky selection comes right after. Good match!!!!!
Also the "Romantic movement" and the open strings violin concerto!
harriethtw 7 months ago
This is really a VERY funny compilation. It's just sad that it echoes the opinion of so many. And I actually DO go around humming Schonberg's (et al) tunes. His music is VERY tuneful, expressive, and often quite (intentionally) humorous as well!
CVassili 2 years ago 3
Of course, it's not Second Vienese music being mocked here, but people whose musical sophistication begins and ends with the Monkees
moosatious 2 years ago 4
I think it's subtler than that. The humor is right on the edge, making fun of the entire situation. That's why it's so funny. I almost busted a gut laughing. It is a fact that atonal music is used a lot in soundtracks for horror films.
priscianusjr 2 years ago 4
HA. HA.
jonathan4bama 2 years ago
This is a clip put together (I believe) by Robert Conrad of WCLV FM Cleveland. His voice is on the clip (He's the "voice" of The Cleveland Orchestra), and Matthias Bamert, of The Matthias Bamert Society, was an assistant conductor in Cleveland. He also was director of the Lucerne Festival for a time.
HornorMore 2 years ago
It's poignant watching this to recall Schoenberg's wish/hope/prediction that 50 years hence his
atonal/12-tone melodies would be hummed by the average music lover as readily as Tchaikovsky's--
was the failure of his vision in this case less owing to excess of (however self-serving) optimism than to
the--for Schoenberg unimaginable-- relentless (if adorable) dumbing-down of postmodern musical
culture?
MrBrianbennett 2 years ago
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MrBrianbennett 2 years ago
I'll give you an A for the concept and an A+ for all the work that went into this baby. Holy cow!
hymiehymie 2 years ago
Hahaha, this is so funny :D
I'm a composer myself and I wonder if anyone will ever mock my music like this in the future. I'd laugh my ass off if they would xD
Uboichi 2 years ago
sick
david liebman in his master class this summer had a sax player improvise freely over a schoenberg piano piece--like a 12tone aebersold playalong
possumherd 2 years ago
This is the best thing I have seen EVER. the music nerd in me just gazummed in laughter
Plutokat 2 years ago
I am with the person who says that this is very funny, but loves the music.
Just for the record, Schönberg's "Pierrot Lunaire" is not a twelve-tone piece.
lendallpitts 2 years ago 23
And it is not the only not-dodecaphonic piece heard in the commercial - if I recall correctly, most of them are not. Still it is a very funny video. And I must say that I quite a often hum or whistle atonal melodies - Webern had a remarkable understanding of melodies and his atonal works are full of catchy motifs.
RobertSchilman 2 years ago 3
@lendallpitts good shout.
thetheatreofmadness 1 year ago
@lendallpitts It is a twelve-tone piece, it's just not 12-tone serialism.
PalePower 1 year ago
I just wet myself!
grahamk5 2 years ago
Hilarious video! But I do love most of this music.
skiks4 2 years ago
Where do I buy it?
theprokofiev 2 years ago
This is fantastic . Who made it?
paolosilv 2 years ago
Oh my goodness... Loving the dancing at 0:44
ryantaussig 2 years ago
Thanks to Jan in Ottawa for sending (to Rob, then me).
I'm waiting for the 123-tone scale, but I think I'm already using it (counting all the flat and sharp notes I play ...).
jazzflutist 2 years ago
This is great!
JenaEnon 2 years ago
HAHA i love this so much
suha25 2 years ago
I lold. Seriously though, Pierrot Lunaire, good stuff. Favorite song cycle of all time. If I were a woman, and a soprano, I would sing nothing else.
IrateIrishDude 2 years ago
of course you mean: "I would speak nothing else.". Right?
SorgenkindDesLebens 2 years ago
I amend my statement. I would Sprechstimme nothing else.
IrateIrishDude 2 years ago 2
This is so great. Maybe I'm just a nerd. Berg's concerto (other than just the beginning) is not easy certainly, but it is a funny choice to call "virtuoso" violin writing (5th's up and down the strings).
regcom 2 years ago
Ha! I was thinking that exact same thing!
IrateIrishDude 2 years ago
That was hilarious. But I think they should have used a serial piece of Stravinsky and not Le Sacre.
Bolender 2 years ago 3
"Arnie Schoenberg"... LOL
Yoavmw 2 years ago
LOL. So that's why Jack Nicholson's charater in "The Shining" lost it. Berg and Schonberg.
shebeeCOOL 2 years ago
Brilliant! LOL.
aldensawtell 2 years ago
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shcmurph 2 years ago
Though in the hands of fools, it loses its charm quickly.
madlutist 2 years ago
weird
ive got to think about
Ara0Lucia 2 years ago
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ab12ton 2 years ago
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orbodotws 2 years ago
ok.. interesting advertising
NSAnegrean 2 years ago
LOL. Very Interesting!
HKDapper 2 years ago
Awesome!
Badong321 2 years ago
So what the fuck is this?
bopplayer 2 years ago
Hilarious?
balanchinemachine 2 years ago
That was mean...or funny and mean...or just funny. :)
MrNoelJMIS 2 years ago
THIS IS AWESOME AND HILLLAAAAAARIOUS
thats the slowest ive ever heard the 11/4 bar from rite of spring...
kongming819 2 years ago 5
this is great: who put it together
plslvmn 2 years ago
I cannot tell if this is in good humor or insidious vitriol. Regardless, Arnold Schoenberg and his pupils are all geniuses and we still owe them great respect to their influence.
dazvcc 2 years ago 4
If you think that there could be "insidious vitriol" in this lovingly put together spoof, then you haven't the soul to discourse on who is a genius; that you could even think of a letter-to-the-editor farrago of words, such as "insidious vitriol," proves that you deserve no respect when you demand respect from others.
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dorsalmorsal 2 years ago
say, wot?
shiney27 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA the violin concerto excerpt on open strings
trans1t 2 years ago 4
So funny...
filcomp 2 years ago
I love the Webern part at 0:43.
BenadrylAnnug 2 years ago
ahaha))) I love the part when they say sing it in the shower)))
fyrka 2 years ago
I must warn others against this release, the presentation is seriously lacking for the meager 4-page 'booklet' didn't include the choreography for the stupendous Webern symphony dance.
Nachtmarchen 2 years ago 7
The only exception was Rite of Spring there. But... being as good as it is... you can leave it there. :)
Great work!
holokinesis 2 years ago
brilliant!!
cheesecaketomek 2 years ago
LOLOLOLOLOL
lastdreams 2 years ago
this just made my day
sodchild 2 years ago