Maddow lost all my respect in the 15 seconds 3:17 - 3:33. This is like defending Nazi Germany during their siege on Poland...not the military siege... the siege on the Warsaw Ghetto. Shame on you Rachel.
Stop the rockets by murdering 1400 human beings. Keep on killing even though you know that the area is densely populated and that the Gazans cannot run across the borders. They are trapped. So if most of the killed are civilians, that is totally permitted since the militants are using the civilians as shields. I am still waiting for photos of Hamas militants with women and babies strapped on their chest.
This is a two-sided war. Both sides have claim to the land, both use military force and the actions of both are governed by extremists who hold such derogatory, xenophobic views of each other that they perceive them to be little more than vermin. The doctrines of extremism in Israel/Palestine prevent any solid peace negotiations from taking place. We need to subdue extremism in this volatile region, because until that happens, no peace can be achieved, and the bloodshed will continue.
The Israeli incursion into Gaza was a huge success. Since Israel invaded Hamas has been deeply damaged and they are afraid to send rockets into Israel. The Palestinians learned a hard but necessary lesson.
They choose war? Peace is literally death for them. They don't have anymore water. They are running out of food.
You are expecting a drowning man to not fight to stay above the water.
Please look into the issue beyond a politically biased news report. Find facts. Compare the missles from gaza that have killed like 10 people total, and the smart bombs, chemical weapons, and giant air force that has killed over 1000 children.
The "Masses" have an obligation to rid themselves of a militant Hamas. A drowning man might want to grab the hand of someone who can help rather than cut it. Especially if that hand is connected with the means to drown the whole village. Israel has continuously worked towards peace yet the Arabs choose to import weapons (Thus the blockade!) Why do we always blame the Jews? When the tactic used by Hamas stops working World opinion...they will change!
Would the fight be justified for the Israelis if 200 times more Israelis died than Palestinians? It seems you are excusing rocket fire from Arabs because they are the ones not winning. You seem un-concerned about their attacks on Israel by shrugging off their shitty weapons. Would it make a difference if Hamas were launching dirty nukes into Israel? Then would the World have condemnation for those attacking civilians?
No I don't shrug them off. I respect them for defending themselves with the very little that they have.
You seem to be shrugging off Israel's responsibility altogether.
BTW Gaza may not be winning, but Israel is DEFINITELY loosing. Bombing the UN with white phosphorus 3 times was a mistake. Now the world is pissed. Now we know bombing the hospitals first in Lebanon wasn't a mistake like they claimed as well.
The further they accomplish their goals now, the more they will loose.
Well, it's much more complicated than that CarribeanBeach. Some people feel it's their only choice, especially seeing as they've been blockaded for the past several months, without humanitarian aid, food, or much water. Many businesses have been shut down, schools closed, hospitals down, electricity down... there's no education, only violence and isolation, which breeds more hatred. It's much more than black-and-white "they chose war." Consider the history, don't affiliate the masses w/ Hamas.
If Hamas and the Palestinians will stop being used by others and swear off violence, I will be the first to say they deserve respect. Until then, anyone marching for, excusing, or supporting the use of terror to gain Peace has the blood of those Palestinian and Israeli Children all over them. Supporting terrorists by Peace Activists is total hypocrisy. Non-Violence will win the people a life of Peace.
That's very true, but what complicates that a lot more is, of course, the feeling of wanting to get revenge or feeling entitled to the land in Israel. For me, violence against Israel is way too counter-productive, so I agree it's partly Palestinians' fault for insisting on violence and not quite letting go. Hamas is a definite evil, and I believe they are the sole complicating element to the entire thing, but at the same time you can see why the Gazans are angry and want violence and revenge.
I do see why families will want revenge. I agree with you. The World needs to protest in the streets against the Palestinians' choice of violence and coax them towards peaceful protest. It will be the only way to end the cycle of violence.
The Arab World already tried to commit genocide on the Israeli people and ...failed. Perhaps the World wants to encourage the Arabs to try again. Maybe this time both sides can escalate to nuclear weapons. Then will families have peace?
I don't support an offense at all. I'm stating the obvious, that Israel is making the world second guess their support, and working up the Arab world.
So the only way for families to be happy is keep borders locked down, even the international Maritime border, deny trade, settle foreign land, and shoot children for throwing stones? Then spread this policy in other surrounding states?
What do you think should be done? Just cleanse the area they can settle even more of their land?
I think protesters around the World should protest the violence equally. Denounce anything but peaceful negotiations. That means there should be thousands in the streets when a rocket is launched or a suicide bomb goes off. For some reason, that doesn't happen. It is Chic to protest Israel but not violent actions. Violence will cease when it loses it's audience.
Hamas and Fatah have joined forces? From what I've read, they're still discussing it and Fatah isn't all too interested.
If Fatah knows what's good for it, it'll vie for the peaceful option, like it has been all along. Thanks for the update, I'll be sure to look more in to it.
There WAS a cease fire broken by Hamas launching rockets into Israel. Civilian casualties are magnified here because Hamas hides among women and children, thereby reaping thebenefits of photo ops when Israel responds to being attacked.Egypt has sealed their border because like most otherArab states they are happy to have Israel clean up this group of thugs.Hand wringing happens when there are these incidents but you see no other Arab countries offering refuge to Palestinians even in peacetime.
get your facts straight israel broke the cease fire in november when they bombed tunnels between the gaza strip and egypt, through which hamas where smuggeling, yes arms but mostly food and medicin... they needed these things because the blockade that israel had on Gaza which they where supposed to stop by the way as this was one of terms of the ceasefire... so stop spewing bullshit you lying conservative fuck
Smuggling arms?? OK there's nothing wrong with that. There are civilians killed why? Because these Hamas cowards hide munitions and persoonnel among their population. Stay stuoid you sycophant asshole.
no there is nothing wrong with that.. they are a sovereign nation and have as much a right to have weapons as israel does... they have no right to use them on civilians but they do have the right to have arms... just like you have a right to have arms a right which your constitution gives you. im guessing you are pro-gun freak.. yet you see a problem with another having weapons.. dubble-standard? i should think so.. and hamas is the government its not hiding among the population its a part of it
the worst thing about liars like you is that when someone has called you on your lie you dont back off and try to maintain some dignity.. you spew even more of you fox news inspired bullshit.. and the biggest problem is lots of people read your crap and believe it... and how the fuck am i a sycophant.. doesnt apply here at all... learn to use big words properly otherwise youll just look like the retard fuck you obviously are
Where are they supposed to fire them from? What do you say about the actual evidence that you can even see for yourself on youtube, that Israel actually does use human shields?
I'm not being condescending here. I just want to know how you justify that and where people with your thought pattern and beliefs think the weapons should be fired from. Sincerely.
Hamas CAN fire rockets from Hospitals, Schools, Mosques, and baby cribs if that is what they wish but Israel has the right to fire back. So if people want to perish, invite terrorists into your home to stage warfare!
Did the American Civil rights movement shoot at those spraying water at them?
Does the USA now have a Black President?
Maybe Blacks should of fired rockets from houses? You and I know Palestinians are wrong this round!
Gaza is one of the most concentrated populations in the world. There are no fields to fire from. There is nothing but residential area in their country. There are no farms.
Your examples are about civil issues. This is regarding two countries. One controls the others border and has settlers in it.
America beat the fuck out of England when they were doing the same thing. Learn your history and look into what is REALLY going on.
Are you typing or is a terrorist typing from behind you like they fight? It always works better if Hammas hides behind a woman AND a baby in a Hospital but whatever gets news coverage right? If Palestinians would quit making themselves human shields for these wackos, many would stay alive and live in peace!
Actually there is a lot more evidence on Israel using human shields. It was actually written policy until a few years ago. YouTube it and you can see it with your own eyes.
Maddow lost all my respect in the 15 seconds 3:17 - 3:33. This is like defending Nazi Germany during their siege on Poland...not the military siege... the siege on the Warsaw Ghetto. Shame on you Rachel.
akburst510 8 months ago
Stop the rockets by murdering 1400 human beings. Keep on killing even though you know that the area is densely populated and that the Gazans cannot run across the borders. They are trapped. So if most of the killed are civilians, that is totally permitted since the militants are using the civilians as shields. I am still waiting for photos of Hamas militants with women and babies strapped on their chest.
minhali 11 months ago
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herorapper 10 months ago
please name me one war where there were no civilian casualties.
cassidy99ful 1 year ago
This is a two-sided war. Both sides have claim to the land, both use military force and the actions of both are governed by extremists who hold such derogatory, xenophobic views of each other that they perceive them to be little more than vermin. The doctrines of extremism in Israel/Palestine prevent any solid peace negotiations from taking place. We need to subdue extremism in this volatile region, because until that happens, no peace can be achieved, and the bloodshed will continue.
disismcsquared 1 year ago
The Israeli incursion into Gaza was a huge success. Since Israel invaded Hamas has been deeply damaged and they are afraid to send rockets into Israel. The Palestinians learned a hard but necessary lesson.
dbsolomo1 2 years ago
AW. I can't look at those children crying, oh my god D:> Those poor children!!! They never have a chance.
FOOLYCOOLY 3 years ago
The Palestinians keep choosing WAR instead of a path of Peace yet "Peace Protesters" keep excusing and supporting the use of ...WAR!
Curious!
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
Oops my bad. Peace Protesters should of been WAR Protesters.
All the same, millions continue to march in the street to support actions that lead to war thinking they are promoting peace.
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
They choose war? Peace is literally death for them. They don't have anymore water. They are running out of food.
You are expecting a drowning man to not fight to stay above the water.
Please look into the issue beyond a politically biased news report. Find facts. Compare the missles from gaza that have killed like 10 people total, and the smart bombs, chemical weapons, and giant air force that has killed over 1000 children.
jophus82 3 years ago
FoolyCooly and Jophus,
The "Masses" have an obligation to rid themselves of a militant Hamas. A drowning man might want to grab the hand of someone who can help rather than cut it. Especially if that hand is connected with the means to drown the whole village. Israel has continuously worked towards peace yet the Arabs choose to import weapons (Thus the blockade!) Why do we always blame the Jews? When the tactic used by Hamas stops working World opinion...they will change!
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
I don't blame Jews. I blame Israel.
Do you think those weapons being used against Gaza and the UN weren't imported?
They have the right to import whatever they wish, but regardless those rockets are not imported. No country has weapons that shitty to give away.
And lets face it, it has 200 times more palestinian blood, than Israel. Israel has created a ghetto and is executing genocide.
jophus82 3 years ago
Would the fight be justified for the Israelis if 200 times more Israelis died than Palestinians? It seems you are excusing rocket fire from Arabs because they are the ones not winning. You seem un-concerned about their attacks on Israel by shrugging off their shitty weapons. Would it make a difference if Hamas were launching dirty nukes into Israel? Then would the World have condemnation for those attacking civilians?
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
No I don't shrug them off. I respect them for defending themselves with the very little that they have.
You seem to be shrugging off Israel's responsibility altogether.
BTW Gaza may not be winning, but Israel is DEFINITELY loosing. Bombing the UN with white phosphorus 3 times was a mistake. Now the world is pissed. Now we know bombing the hospitals first in Lebanon wasn't a mistake like they claimed as well.
The further they accomplish their goals now, the more they will loose.
jophus82 3 years ago
Well, it's much more complicated than that CarribeanBeach. Some people feel it's their only choice, especially seeing as they've been blockaded for the past several months, without humanitarian aid, food, or much water. Many businesses have been shut down, schools closed, hospitals down, electricity down... there's no education, only violence and isolation, which breeds more hatred. It's much more than black-and-white "they chose war." Consider the history, don't affiliate the masses w/ Hamas.
FOOLYCOOLY 3 years ago
If Hamas and the Palestinians will stop being used by others and swear off violence, I will be the first to say they deserve respect. Until then, anyone marching for, excusing, or supporting the use of terror to gain Peace has the blood of those Palestinian and Israeli Children all over them. Supporting terrorists by Peace Activists is total hypocrisy. Non-Violence will win the people a life of Peace.
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
That's very true, but what complicates that a lot more is, of course, the feeling of wanting to get revenge or feeling entitled to the land in Israel. For me, violence against Israel is way too counter-productive, so I agree it's partly Palestinians' fault for insisting on violence and not quite letting go. Hamas is a definite evil, and I believe they are the sole complicating element to the entire thing, but at the same time you can see why the Gazans are angry and want violence and revenge.
FOOLYCOOLY 3 years ago
I do see why families will want revenge. I agree with you. The World needs to protest in the streets against the Palestinians' choice of violence and coax them towards peaceful protest. It will be the only way to end the cycle of violence.
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
Yeah, ultimately, that seems like the best option. It would be the fastest way to just end this conflict once and for all.
FOOLYCOOLY 3 years ago
The latest reports are that Hamas and Fatah have joined forces, btw. I've heard it from 2 sources now.
Egyptian citizens are on the brink of riot, as well.
All Israel needs is for Egypt to turn on them, then it is over. The entire Arab world will descend on them.
jophus82 3 years ago
The Arab World already tried to commit genocide on the Israeli people and ...failed. Perhaps the World wants to encourage the Arabs to try again. Maybe this time both sides can escalate to nuclear weapons. Then will families have peace?
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
I don't support an offense at all. I'm stating the obvious, that Israel is making the world second guess their support, and working up the Arab world.
So the only way for families to be happy is keep borders locked down, even the international Maritime border, deny trade, settle foreign land, and shoot children for throwing stones? Then spread this policy in other surrounding states?
What do you think should be done? Just cleanse the area they can settle even more of their land?
jophus82 3 years ago
I think protesters around the World should protest the violence equally. Denounce anything but peaceful negotiations. That means there should be thousands in the streets when a rocket is launched or a suicide bomb goes off. For some reason, that doesn't happen. It is Chic to protest Israel but not violent actions. Violence will cease when it loses it's audience.
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
@CarribeanBeachbum06 sad but true.only when one side wipes out the other will there be peace.
cassidy99ful 1 year ago
Hamas and Fatah have joined forces? From what I've read, they're still discussing it and Fatah isn't all too interested.
If Fatah knows what's good for it, it'll vie for the peaceful option, like it has been all along. Thanks for the update, I'll be sure to look more in to it.
FOOLYCOOLY 3 years ago
News flash here my friend - Hamas is a political party and terrorist front organization - they are not a sovereign nation. Except in your mind.
RayBoylan 3 years ago
There WAS a cease fire broken by Hamas launching rockets into Israel. Civilian casualties are magnified here because Hamas hides among women and children, thereby reaping thebenefits of photo ops when Israel responds to being attacked.Egypt has sealed their border because like most otherArab states they are happy to have Israel clean up this group of thugs.Hand wringing happens when there are these incidents but you see no other Arab countries offering refuge to Palestinians even in peacetime.
RayBoylan 3 years ago
Jesus will "deal" with the zionist israel in his second coming.
akamal1113 3 years ago 2
get your facts straight israel broke the cease fire in november when they bombed tunnels between the gaza strip and egypt, through which hamas where smuggeling, yes arms but mostly food and medicin... they needed these things because the blockade that israel had on Gaza which they where supposed to stop by the way as this was one of terms of the ceasefire... so stop spewing bullshit you lying conservative fuck
SinanKhalili 3 years ago
Smuggling arms?? OK there's nothing wrong with that. There are civilians killed why? Because these Hamas cowards hide munitions and persoonnel among their population. Stay stuoid you sycophant asshole.
RayBoylan 3 years ago
no there is nothing wrong with that.. they are a sovereign nation and have as much a right to have weapons as israel does... they have no right to use them on civilians but they do have the right to have arms... just like you have a right to have arms a right which your constitution gives you. im guessing you are pro-gun freak.. yet you see a problem with another having weapons.. dubble-standard? i should think so.. and hamas is the government its not hiding among the population its a part of it
SinanKhalili 3 years ago
the worst thing about liars like you is that when someone has called you on your lie you dont back off and try to maintain some dignity.. you spew even more of you fox news inspired bullshit.. and the biggest problem is lots of people read your crap and believe it... and how the fuck am i a sycophant.. doesnt apply here at all... learn to use big words properly otherwise youll just look like the retard fuck you obviously are
SinanKhalili 3 years ago
I admire your spot-on claim that this character is a gun-toting, bible-thumping, sarah palin-enthusiast. Way to bring that argument home.
:-)
jophus82 3 years ago
hehe thanks dude... you know I feel that if I can discredit even one of them I have done a good deed for truth and... stuff
SinanKhalili 3 years ago
Where are they supposed to fire them from? What do you say about the actual evidence that you can even see for yourself on youtube, that Israel actually does use human shields?
I'm not being condescending here. I just want to know how you justify that and where people with your thought pattern and beliefs think the weapons should be fired from. Sincerely.
jophus82 3 years ago
Hamas CAN fire rockets from Hospitals, Schools, Mosques, and baby cribs if that is what they wish but Israel has the right to fire back. So if people want to perish, invite terrorists into your home to stage warfare!
Did the American Civil rights movement shoot at those spraying water at them?
Does the USA now have a Black President?
Maybe Blacks should of fired rockets from houses? You and I know Palestinians are wrong this round!
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
Gaza is one of the most concentrated populations in the world. There are no fields to fire from. There is nothing but residential area in their country. There are no farms.
Your examples are about civil issues. This is regarding two countries. One controls the others border and has settlers in it.
America beat the fuck out of England when they were doing the same thing. Learn your history and look into what is REALLY going on.
They are both wrong, but Israel is INHUMANE.
jophus82 3 years ago 2
Israel is a terrorist state
GirlSyria1 3 years ago 2
and look who's talking...
pissoffcake 3 years ago
Are you typing or is a terrorist typing from behind you like they fight? It always works better if Hammas hides behind a woman AND a baby in a Hospital but whatever gets news coverage right? If Palestinians would quit making themselves human shields for these wackos, many would stay alive and live in peace!
CarribeanBeachbum06 3 years ago
Actually there is a lot more evidence on Israel using human shields. It was actually written policy until a few years ago. YouTube it and you can see it with your own eyes.
jophus82 3 years ago