I am sorry dude, but there was nothing scary during that flight, I get callapses like that all the time when we thermal. I am glad you have a nice glider that took care of you, zero active piloting.
@YTUnme1 Thanks for the advice, man. While I'm out playing soccer, you should try to get some lessons on english. Way to post useless comments just to draw attention to yourself!
Those seemed like really okay conditions. I'm still a beginner pilot, but I have flown in worse conditions with a much worse wing and have managed to stay alive and kicking as far as the sport is concerned.
I have no problem whatsoever with you saying you don't feel you can handle it, that your a smart guy, not wanting to risk your life...That would make sense, but you cant use your own misjudgment of flight conditions as an excuse.
Common man your flying with sandals...what were you thinking.
@drurew Dude, just so you know, you completely contradicted yourself. Saying that the conditions seem alright, then saying that I misjudged the conditions (indicating that they were bad). Yeah....you sound like a great pilot, let me get out my notebook to write down your advice....or not. And as far as the sandals go, PLEASE tell me how they affected ANYTHING. Do you think it could have been the sandals causing the turbulence? I hadn't even considered that....noted for next time though! Hah
@csaindon-Mate - I think the point he's trying to make, is that by wearing sandals, (and no gloves either I see) that youre showing a lack of awareness for what could go wrong. I personally choose never to fly in shorts either, tempting as it might be to flash my pinns. Thank goodness you werent hurt, but mate - please, review your piloting skills - because there are lots of things that scare the hell out of me about this flight. Perhaps you may benefit from some more tuition?! Fly safe!
@csaindon Sandals may not have affected your flight, it just makes you look like a retard. Were you wearing a helmet? If you were, why? Why not a baseball cap? I also agree that you were holding your risers for most of the flight. If you apply a little weight on the brakes you will have less collapses. I
Also, just a side note, you have to be able to take some critisism. you obviously made some mistakes here, listen to what people are saying and learn from it.
@csaindon You call that a fashion advice?! A helmet can save your life in a situation you were in! And wearing sandals? If you don't mind having a twisted ankle just because you don't feel like wearing appropriate shoes when flying, than go ahead. What all of us are trying to tell you is that they can save your life on a difficult takeoff spot like this...
Concerning the conditions, if you don't feel the wing is stabile before you take off, than just don't! It's a tipical sign of a rotor!!!
What many are trying to say is that the video shows you grabbing onto the risers at many portions of the flight, which hinders active, rather than reactive, flying that is necessary to keep from getting the collapses in the first place. If you could comment on whether or not you felt you were flying in the lee-side of the ridge that would also help pilots learn from this video. Both launch and the flight appear that they could have been in rotor, a situation best avoided altogether
@parakayak01 Hey Parakayak, first, thanks for your calm, polite response and question(s).
I fully understand he comments regarding grabbing the risers but what's not terribly clear is that I am doing this for a purpose. I did not feel that by applying any toggle on either or both sides would have decreased the types of collapses I was having. I am holding the risers to keep a small amount of brakes applied and I'm not "gripping" the risers, I'm just lightly holding them.
@csaindon As for whether I was flying in a rotor/lee side...I can't say for sure. The winds were south according to the weather network, which are directly 90 deg to the hill. There is a gulley and another ledge to the left which can cause rotors, but I can't see how they would have affected this flight. I must admit, I have never had a flight like this at this launch before. Another pilot watched my launch, and seemed to believe it was a leeside flight as well, but I am still unsure.
@csaindon Thanks, Meteo weather can be quite a bit different from what is happening at the hill. Would South have been to the Right, ie over the hill to the right of your flight path? Looks like your TO was angled to the right, and it looks like you had some drift from the RHS on landing. Looking at the clouds, etc. it doesn't look like there would have been a lot of thermal activity, which means that most of the turbulence & sink would likely be from rotor.
@parakayak01 The wind was observed by me, at the launch, immediately prior to launch and it was coming directly onto the face of the launch. This also correlated with what the weather network was indicating. This is why I don't believe that I was on the leeside, but everyone seems to think otherwise. I honestly am unsure. There was next to no thermal activity, it was just bumpy and weird is the best I can say.
@csaindon Thanks, Many better pilots than I (I've only been flying paragliders for 24 years) have told me that even sliding on the risers will decrease the amount of weight shift response and toggle response necessary for good active piloting. In a previous post you also spoke of trying to not lean into the collapsed side which is what we were teaching a few years ago, but now many are saying that you want to go ahead and weight shift to the collapsed side, to help keep the glider tensioned up
@parakayak01 That's interesting about the lean and it makes sense, but I guess my logic is that if half the wing is still holding it's shape, I'll have a slight turn from the drag of the other side, but the canopy will be generally well behaved and flying straight. Each of the collapses were minor in my eyes, basically by the time I looked up to see what was going on, it was already clearing itself and most I wasn't even able to catch on video.
@OMG4975 Well, I hate to say it but the person who posted the rude comments (as well as yourself) are the ones doing a disservice to "your" sport. I posted a video, you two posted rude accusations for no reason. Instantly, I have no desire to give either of you the time of day, hence..here we are.
@OMG4975 I didn't realize that voluntarily watching my video was being "antagonistic", but sure. Obviously you and the other poster know more about me than I do, so you clearly know what I did before this launch to get back from being off for 6 months. Anyways, I'm not concerned with what you think, I'll keep flying and you can keep watching my antagonizing videos. At least I'm willing to post my mistakes to help others learn...
@OMG4975 He can say whatever he likes, but the fact still remains that he doesn't need to be a dink about it. I'm open to advice, but refuse o listen to someone like him strictly for the way he posted his comments. Same goes for you and calling me a crap pilot, you have no idea who I am, what my skill level is etc..
You should call yourself 'Chris can't fly'. Flying Lee side, holding onto risers when should have been active flying, no boots and no gloves. Some people are not supposed to fly and your one of them!!!! No offence.
@Flyfever Thanks for your reply! I guess I got the better end of the stick if you think I'm not supposed to fly, I could have been a guy who needs to be a jerk posting moronic comments on people's youtube videos to fill my ego.
@1980airhead Thanks for the advice, but in the 10 feet that the wing flew, I'm pretty sure that there would have been no difference if I "flew" my wing. Maybe, just maybe I would have made it through the first set of trees, only to sink out another 20-30 feet down the mountain where the cliff drops off and the trees are much taller. Thanks though...
@1980airhead Fair enough, but I was actually holding myself to the side which wasn't collapsed so I didn't go into a spin by leaning into the collapsed side.
You did the right decision giving up paragliding, a mature call to stop flying. Only you know what is the right thing to do. Cred!
noapop 5 days ago
I am sorry dude, but there was nothing scary during that flight, I get callapses like that all the time when we thermal. I am glad you have a nice glider that took care of you, zero active piloting.
sky032547 1 week ago
No idea how to fly. Sorry.
ytslapper 2 months ago
your legs look like mozarella sticks!
TheArcus5 3 months ago
Sooooooooooooooo, what was the proplem??
albedran2 3 months ago
Leeside collapse from rotor on your right and you turn in towards the hill.? A good training vid. At least you got off the hill. ;)
jamesllewelyn 3 months ago
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octavenoize 4 months ago
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YTUnme1 5 months ago
@YTUnme1 Thanks for the advice, man. While I'm out playing soccer, you should try to get some lessons on english. Way to post useless comments just to draw attention to yourself!
csaindon 5 months ago
STOP holding the risers! Fly the glider man! This is a dangerous bad habit.
Fly Safe
WingoverVideos 5 months ago 4
your not even flying actively...what did you expect?
drurew 5 months ago
Those seemed like really okay conditions. I'm still a beginner pilot, but I have flown in worse conditions with a much worse wing and have managed to stay alive and kicking as far as the sport is concerned.
I have no problem whatsoever with you saying you don't feel you can handle it, that your a smart guy, not wanting to risk your life...That would make sense, but you cant use your own misjudgment of flight conditions as an excuse.
Common man your flying with sandals...what were you thinking.
drurew 5 months ago
@drurew Dude, just so you know, you completely contradicted yourself. Saying that the conditions seem alright, then saying that I misjudged the conditions (indicating that they were bad). Yeah....you sound like a great pilot, let me get out my notebook to write down your advice....or not. And as far as the sandals go, PLEASE tell me how they affected ANYTHING. Do you think it could have been the sandals causing the turbulence? I hadn't even considered that....noted for next time though! Hah
csaindon 5 months ago
@csaindon-Mate - I think the point he's trying to make, is that by wearing sandals, (and no gloves either I see) that youre showing a lack of awareness for what could go wrong. I personally choose never to fly in shorts either, tempting as it might be to flash my pinns. Thank goodness you werent hurt, but mate - please, review your piloting skills - because there are lots of things that scare the hell out of me about this flight. Perhaps you may benefit from some more tuition?! Fly safe!
ianww8 5 months ago
@csaindon Sandals may not have affected your flight, it just makes you look like a retard. Were you wearing a helmet? If you were, why? Why not a baseball cap? I also agree that you were holding your risers for most of the flight. If you apply a little weight on the brakes you will have less collapses. I
Also, just a side note, you have to be able to take some critisism. you obviously made some mistakes here, listen to what people are saying and learn from it.
bbrousseau 3 months ago
@bbrousseau Haha, thanks for the fashion advice! How's that for accepting criticism? Haha
csaindon 3 months ago
@csaindon You call that a fashion advice?! A helmet can save your life in a situation you were in! And wearing sandals? If you don't mind having a twisted ankle just because you don't feel like wearing appropriate shoes when flying, than go ahead. What all of us are trying to tell you is that they can save your life on a difficult takeoff spot like this...
Concerning the conditions, if you don't feel the wing is stabile before you take off, than just don't! It's a tipical sign of a rotor!!!
susamali 2 weeks ago
Was that flight on the Hillsides of the Gatineau CCN Park ?. Looks very much like it.
Except for the first crash the rest was not exactly the most technical but it ended on the land with no injuries. thats what really counts.
Pilot only can be blamed for it's errors, not the sport.
Be careful if you fly again.
explorateurdesairs 5 months ago
Hi Chris,
What many are trying to say is that the video shows you grabbing onto the risers at many portions of the flight, which hinders active, rather than reactive, flying that is necessary to keep from getting the collapses in the first place. If you could comment on whether or not you felt you were flying in the lee-side of the ridge that would also help pilots learn from this video. Both launch and the flight appear that they could have been in rotor, a situation best avoided altogether
parakayak01 5 months ago
@parakayak01 Hey Parakayak, first, thanks for your calm, polite response and question(s).
I fully understand he comments regarding grabbing the risers but what's not terribly clear is that I am doing this for a purpose. I did not feel that by applying any toggle on either or both sides would have decreased the types of collapses I was having. I am holding the risers to keep a small amount of brakes applied and I'm not "gripping" the risers, I'm just lightly holding them.
csaindon 5 months ago
@csaindon As for whether I was flying in a rotor/lee side...I can't say for sure. The winds were south according to the weather network, which are directly 90 deg to the hill. There is a gulley and another ledge to the left which can cause rotors, but I can't see how they would have affected this flight. I must admit, I have never had a flight like this at this launch before. Another pilot watched my launch, and seemed to believe it was a leeside flight as well, but I am still unsure.
csaindon 5 months ago
@csaindon Thanks, Meteo weather can be quite a bit different from what is happening at the hill. Would South have been to the Right, ie over the hill to the right of your flight path? Looks like your TO was angled to the right, and it looks like you had some drift from the RHS on landing. Looking at the clouds, etc. it doesn't look like there would have been a lot of thermal activity, which means that most of the turbulence & sink would likely be from rotor.
parakayak01 5 months ago
@parakayak01 The wind was observed by me, at the launch, immediately prior to launch and it was coming directly onto the face of the launch. This also correlated with what the weather network was indicating. This is why I don't believe that I was on the leeside, but everyone seems to think otherwise. I honestly am unsure. There was next to no thermal activity, it was just bumpy and weird is the best I can say.
csaindon 5 months ago
@csaindon Thanks, Many better pilots than I (I've only been flying paragliders for 24 years) have told me that even sliding on the risers will decrease the amount of weight shift response and toggle response necessary for good active piloting. In a previous post you also spoke of trying to not lean into the collapsed side which is what we were teaching a few years ago, but now many are saying that you want to go ahead and weight shift to the collapsed side, to help keep the glider tensioned up
parakayak01 5 months ago
@parakayak01 That's interesting about the lean and it makes sense, but I guess my logic is that if half the wing is still holding it's shape, I'll have a slight turn from the drag of the other side, but the canopy will be generally well behaved and flying straight. Each of the collapses were minor in my eyes, basically by the time I looked up to see what was going on, it was already clearing itself and most I wasn't even able to catch on video.
csaindon 5 months ago
@OMG4975 Like I said...time of day. You've lost my respect, so I feel no need to give you anything.
csaindon 5 months ago
@OMG4975 Well, I hate to say it but the person who posted the rude comments (as well as yourself) are the ones doing a disservice to "your" sport. I posted a video, you two posted rude accusations for no reason. Instantly, I have no desire to give either of you the time of day, hence..here we are.
csaindon 5 months ago
@OMG4975 I didn't realize that voluntarily watching my video was being "antagonistic", but sure. Obviously you and the other poster know more about me than I do, so you clearly know what I did before this launch to get back from being off for 6 months. Anyways, I'm not concerned with what you think, I'll keep flying and you can keep watching my antagonizing videos. At least I'm willing to post my mistakes to help others learn...
csaindon 5 months ago
@OMG4975 He can say whatever he likes, but the fact still remains that he doesn't need to be a dink about it. I'm open to advice, but refuse o listen to someone like him strictly for the way he posted his comments. Same goes for you and calling me a crap pilot, you have no idea who I am, what my skill level is etc..
csaindon 5 months ago
Sorry Chris, don't take it bad please, but what Flyfever said is quite right if what you is to enjoy many long years of happy and safe flying.
And above all the part about avoiding at all cost leeside flying ; )
coolbubble 5 months ago
You should call yourself 'Chris can't fly'. Flying Lee side, holding onto risers when should have been active flying, no boots and no gloves. Some people are not supposed to fly and your one of them!!!! No offence.
Flyfever 6 months ago
@Flyfever Thanks for your reply! I guess I got the better end of the stick if you think I'm not supposed to fly, I could have been a guy who needs to be a jerk posting moronic comments on people's youtube videos to fill my ego.
Have a great day!
csaindon 6 months ago
Next time let go of your risers and pilot your wing!!
1980airhead 6 months ago
@1980airhead Thanks for the advice, but in the 10 feet that the wing flew, I'm pretty sure that there would have been no difference if I "flew" my wing. Maybe, just maybe I would have made it through the first set of trees, only to sink out another 20-30 feet down the mountain where the cliff drops off and the trees are much taller. Thanks though...
csaindon 6 months ago
@csaindon I was referring to the collaspes you experienced while flying, not you launch......
1980airhead 6 months ago
@1980airhead Fair enough, but I was actually holding myself to the side which wasn't collapsed so I didn't go into a spin by leaning into the collapsed side.
csaindon 6 months ago
Definitely leeside.
freeflayer4 7 months ago
That looks everso much like a leeside flight.
Reechforthesky 7 months ago