Enlarged NASA Mt. Montserrat (Spain) photosatellite.
The vision of high peaks (compact in 10 x 5 km.) look like a human face image,... with a signal like 3th eye just in middle of his front where stand a very famous santuary:
An actual STARGATE/PORTAL-THING was caught on film in New Mexico. The footage can be found within the short-film entitled "SUDDEN PORTHOLE", which is parked at the PROJECT CAMELOT YouTube page (it's under the George Noory video).
I'm not selling anything…I'm just trying to spread the word about the unseen-dimensions we find ourselves embedded in.
My BLOG contains peripheral data regarding the movie and is where I reply to the "debunkers" (use search words "SAM ZURICK" & "BLOG"). THANKS!!
Wow. Charles Stansfield Jones. There's another obscure and fascinating figure. With a Canadian connection (I'm a Canuck). Not much written about Jones but I'd sure like to find out more re: the dude. If you have any suggestions for reading on Jones, drop 'em my way.
Sorry if I seem like I'm plugging my novel--there was SO much research devoted to its creation and a great deal of it touched on Parsons, Hubbard, the Babalon Working, etc. Pop by my blog sometime--there's a free excerpt.
Majorhoop--clearly you know your stuff and it's a pleasure to run across you in cyberspace. I'm no believer, find the occult and supernatural fairly silly, but, dang, it makes for fascinating reading...and discussion. I read about the Hubbard-Parsons connection in BARE-FACED MESSIAH and it was the scene of the two of them out in the Mojave, trying to raise a demon (of sorts), that inspired my novel (and cost me over 3 years of my life)...
@cliffjburns --i'll have to read your novel, sounds like good fun. while im not an occultist, i find this subject & the history of the occult in general fascinating. ive often wondered if hubbard ever met charles stansfield jones up in the northwest just prior to his meeting parsons........
Majorhoop: I don't think Hubbard was out to deliberate sabotage Parsons and his occult group. Elron was genuinely intrigued by black magic--and the women it drew--and this notion that he infiltrated the Los Angeles occult scene to thwart the minions of evil is Scientology re-writing history. One of the accounts I read said that Hubbard's sanity was never the same after he and Parsons returned from the desert after trying to "raise" an elemental spirit through Parsons' "Babalon Working".
@cliffjburns ---i agree with you; the scientology "deliberate sabotage" assertion doesnt sound credible to me either. hubbard i think may have been interested in the occult, or "black magic" in this case, as an instrument or technique for controlling others and parsons was an easy mark to start with. it is interesting to compare hubbard and parsons work in magic with israel regardie, who lived across town at this time and steered clear of this whole thing. regardie seems to have remained (cont)
@majorhoop --relatively sane while navigating similar (though not such extreme) waters. wizards parsons-quote comment above sounds like pure wilhelm reich, tho 20 years after him. regardie (a "chiropractic psychiatrist") was pretty thoroughly versed in reich and i think it must have served him well in the long run. parsons on the other hand i suspect only had a passing familiarity with reichs work, and was soon in over his head. l.a. at this time must have been an amazing place.......
What's to hate about the Jewish, Christian & Muslim god who's a former member of the Sumerian pantheon cooped by a desert tribe on a power trip. Lots of gods speaking from a mountain top back then. If I were a sea people philistine or a Babylonian, I'd hate him too. Or a Greek pagan running a temple for that matter
I'm afraid I don't agree with Mr. Wilson's inflated view of the importance of scientist/satanist Parsons. I spent a lot of time researching Mr. Parsons' life and philosophy for my occult thriller SO DARK THE NIGHT and discovered a man who was more of a talented dabbler and dilettante than a serious scientist and black magician. An oddball and a character but hardly a seminal figure in either realm.
@cliffjburns - I hope your book credits him with the invention of the 'mad scientist' haircut, as I find it hugely disappointing that nobody has ever acknowledged that one. For the record it can be achieved via a Van De Graff Generator. So put that in your Cliffnord Irving book, and make it a pop-up book with Enochian tables that spring out from every page.
@cliffjburns ---i somewhat agree, though as a scientist i would describe him as an inspired amateur. however i dont think that his importance to the development of our early space program, while limited, should be underestimated. i believe he was certainly a serious occultist who suffered from a certain naivete that rendered him susceptible to the workings (or deliberate sabotage) of scam artist hubbard. the romantic nature of his life and character have turned him into something of a cult hero.
Hmmm...RAW states that this country(North America) was founded on "libertarian principles".I wonder what Native Americans & Blacks would think of these "principles".
@tabbypappy The US having been founded on libertarian principles should not be mistaken to mean that the early US was a perfect example of a Libertarian society.
This guy is illuminati. Trying to rationalize similarities between science and practicing occultism. Fuck you sir. It's good that you're dead!
Please took up Jack Parsons and you'll find a slew of dark shit. If you know anything about the connections of Occultism and other secret societies, you'll understand it.
@Jcolinsol Yes! In deed! I am illuminati! You got me! See that?...I can be condescending as well. I'm just stating my open opinion. Not that I care what you think of me in particular, but it's the principle of the matter.
@Jcolinsol In fact, I feel it's damn reasonable to think that a hard-core occultist like Jack Parsons who was part of the OTO and selected by Aleister Crowley himself just maybe, gosh, possibly might not have been such a swell guy! And that people who defend him might have their own ulterior motives as well. So you know what? Call me a wacko. I really couldn't care less. After all, I'm probably just a disinfo agent anyway, right?
I don't know why, it always makes me crack up when people suggest that Crowley, or people that are interested in Crowley's philosophy and magic are illuminati. He was such a goof.
In this case, I think that you're being heavy handed. Excuse me for making light.
"This sublimation of the sex-urge has been the basis of the power of the church and is the source of much of the psychosis rampant in the modern world." - Jack Parsons
sex is the ultimate reaction against fascism (which religion comes under)
because the sex drive comes with puberty, the rejection of infantilism (circuits 1-3). Fascism want's to keep you in those first 3 circuits, by convincing you to see it as 'filthy' and worthy of repression.
I just thought I'd put it this way for the sake of the YT viewers currently at a quantum state in the future
That's funny. I always thought a sociopath was someone who was pathological socially. That is, someone who treats people without remorse in order to advance their own social needs. You could argue then that some CEO's of major corporations and probably ALL politicians are essentially sociopathic.
Anyway, Demented Sociopath is not an apt description for Parsons. One of his close friends could be described that way, but all he did was found a Religion.
Yeah, ol' Bob would surely find this peanut gallery amusing, being an optimist and all. I also find it slightly depressing, considering some of these people aren't kidding. . .
ignorance is bliss... there are other similar religions to catholic or christianity. If you decide to be stuck in your own reality and not accepting others, then that is your own choice. We can sit here and recite bible verses all day, or you can accept that there is an infinite number of possibilities in this universe. Our perception governs our own universe.
@legendOFstivan Our beliefs emprison us. Aristotle said that it is the sign of an intelligent mind when you can hold a thought without accepting it as fact.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.
Jack Parsons perfected the fuel mixtures for solid rocket motors almost 40 years before the Apollo Moon Mission. Von Braun perfected the design of the Saturn 5 rocket itself. Together these 2 men made it possible to put man on the moon. Today's SRB's used for the Space Shuttle use similar fuel formulas.
truth and they are all ATLEAST demon possessed from even doing such things as sex magick and the SORCERRY that they soooo often did
also i think its absolutly funny that FALLEN angels aka ALIENS are whom giving the TECHNOLOGY and even go so far as to MAKE MUSIC think about how exactly CORRUPTED to the CORE this NATION has become since we took GOD OUT OF SCHOOL and put EVO IN ITS place but you kno turn from GOD in bad times they will only get worse
"Greatest men of the 20th century"?? Jack Parsons was a satanist.
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He practiced tantric magick which includes unclean acts, but that is one of the paths of liberation, since the inherent philosophy is the God is all. Parsons opposed the black brotherhood (satanism) and they got back by spreading lies about him. He was actually a minor, failed tantric magician - and a brilliant chemist.
Tantric magic is the satanic babylonian mystery religion in its purest form.
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A common misconception. People think that the Left-Handed Path is satanism. Some elements are, not all.
For instance, the effort to make oneself a deity is satanism, because it is focus on ego/separation.
The other part is seeing ALL (good, ugly, bad) as God...and being equal to all. Not Satanism, because it is unity with the Divine via the "back door". The risk of failure is quite high, though.
The left handed path is satanism. In fact, any agenda or philosophy which sets itself as an opponent [adversary] of YHWH is satanic.
I will take the right handed path, the path less traveled.
Christianity is also about destroying the ego, except Christians destroy our ego by attaching it to Christ Jesus not through vain ecunemical philosophies.
You are in error by trying to seperate tantric sex magick with "black magick". They are one in the same.
The left handed path is satanism. In fact, any agenda or philosophy which sets itself as an opponent [adversary] of YHWH is satanic.
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You should know that it is superstition propagated by some Christian sects. A great sage Ramarkrishna found God via love (bjakti yoga) but then also trained in tantrism and found God via that. He commented that there are lots of ways of finding God, and Yoga is replete with this.
Tantrism is NOT black brotherhood stuff...though many tantrics do fall.
One should remember that in Eastern philosophy, God is not quite "good" but ALL...that which is not God is called "maya" or illusory. The quality of "good" is used to remove the traits of "evil" and then "good" itself is discarded so the Soul is free of ego identification and hence "maya".
Crowley started out a genuine tantric but fell into black magick and was a failed magician. Parsons did do dirty/dangerous things but was far better than Crowley, and a failure too.
There are a lot of men who have their brilliance inspired by lucifer.
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FYI - in early Christianity, Lucifer was NOT a satanic figure. The black brotherhood pulled a master stroke by changing that belief, because the satanic element was opposed by Lucifer.
Don't just buy into fables, there are many schools of magicians and some entities may belong, for instance to the yellow school, - not quite Divine but certainly not satanic.
Tantric magic is the satanic babylonian mystery religion in its purest form.
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Tantric magic is not satanism....
In fact, up to a degree - both white and black magick are the same (same science), then they diverge. That's why the black magicians simply invert white magick symbols in cases....because they use the same methods but selfish or satanic orientation. Example: the Nazi swastika is an inverted version of the Hindu swastika, and black in color as opposed to red or white.
To YHWH ALL "magick", whether the sorcerer considers it "black" or "white" is sin and of the adversary.
And it truely is as both are the creation of the Mystery neo-babylon system.
Do you think it is merely a coincidence that so many tantric practitioners end up practicing what even you yourself would consider satanic black magic??
Like every false "religion" or ideology it is a gateway belief which will lead to even more advanced forms of satanism.
To YHWH ALL "magick", whether the sorcerer considers it "black" or "white" is sin and of the adversary.
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Someone like Franz Bardon was a sinner or a high-level Adept?
Selfishness is "sin" and a white magician actually is altruistic and healing and ethical.
Parsons was also ethical, though not a white magician. He was a "gray" magician - he actually thought he was fighting the BB in his work. But they were also playing with him, and he fell, though not due to evil motives.
Jack Parsons was a dangerous man, this according to some of his closests colleagues such as Fritz Zwicky.
For Christ's sake man, Parsons even tried to help birth the antichrist through a cermonial magic sex ritual [re: Babalon Working ritual]. Parsons openly admitted to being an agent of Ishtar [whom he even identified with the "Whore of Babylon]. He was serving the devil god[ess] as do the Jesuits and other papists when they worship the "Black Madonna". As a Tantr You might know her as Kali.
Kali is not evil by a long shot. She is a difficult Goddess to fathom, that's it.
Some thugee cults use Kali but so do true aspirants. The sage Ramakrishna was utterly pure (truthful, asexual, he could not touch money) yet he found God via Kali....and then used other methods including tantric and Islamic to find God.
You really shouldn't insult the pure or holy. Better apologize (even in a personal prayer) for certain spiritual laws do kick in when you insult a true sage.
And don't bring this Christian ignorance in....Jesus was also a great sage who showed us that sacrifice (symbolized by crucifiction) of the self in love (he forgave his tormentors) is needed to find Christ (God). There are many ways of approaching spirituality, and not knowing much does not give you the right to push false ideas.
Did you understand the meaning? What Jesus said is that you could become one with God through Christ, the Higher Self that Jesus channeled.
The Higher Self of each person is the same....and the ONLY way to God.
The Spirit in man (personal God, a.k.a. Higher Self or Overself) leads to the infinite God (Absolute). The "Him" is the Christic spirit, genius....not the flesh man. Context should be taken.
Look at you perverting the plain and simple meanings of scripture with your occultic garbage. You are the one taking his words completely out of context in order to make it in accordance with your occultic belief system. He did not say "the Christic spirit" [whatever that is] is the way he said I AM [YHWH] the way. And then he said:
"If ye had known ME, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." - John 14:7
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." - Roman 3:24-26
You are teaching a false gospel and a false Christ.
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You know, the church touted the Shroud of Turin as the cloth that wrapped Jesus BUT chemical dating proved them _wrong.
Before that, the Church claimed the earth was flat...and harassed scientists who said otherwise....NOW they have been proven wrong.
Kindly understand the real Christ was not Jesus, but the Spirit in Him, and Jesus became one with that spirit as all men can. That's Yoga. He showed the way, so have others.
The "church" touted it? What "church" is that? It certainly isnt my "church"?
Must you unbelievers ALWAYS confuse catholicism and its unsavory antics with true biblical Christianity? Have you not yet figured out that I am a Protestant or Baptist which has no great love for the papal institution? I never believed in the "shroud of turin", I could tell by looking at it that it was a fake, more Jesuit chicanery. They are master forgerers and hoaxers.
The "church" touted it? What "church" is that? It certainly isnt my "church"?
Must you unbelievers ALWAYS confuse catholicism and its unsavory antics with true biblical Christianity?
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See - there are MANY FORMS of Christianity....and I gave you an example of one big church. There is also Gnostic Christianity which is rather more like Eastern religion blended with Christianity...so let's not just believe that you / your church know it all, the rest of the churches don't. Really foolish.
The Jesuits even have the capabilities to create elaborate paleontological hoaxes to try to support their theories like evolution. One good example of that is the "piltdown man" hoax carried out by that "New Age" eastern religion occult follower and Jesuit Father Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. The "Shroud of Turin" is just another example of satans "lieing signs and wonders".
You are correct that you can have the Spirit of God in you, but you get it ONLY by the grace of God through Christ Jesus.
You are correct that you can have the Spirit of God in you, but you get it ONLY by the grace of God through Christ Jesus.
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Prove it, sonny. Just because you "believe" does not invalidate other religions and spiritual pathways.
Your scriptures are pathetic proof because they are no proof. Take it from me: an occult researcher, that Jesus showed the way for ALL to unite with the Christ spirit, and become one with it.
Shiv, the Bible invalidates other religions and "spiritual pathways" and other religions invalidate the Bible.
Take it from me, a Christian. You are falling for exactly what the Illuminati want you to believe. Gnostic "Christianity" finds its origins with babylonian sorcerers such as Simon the Magus. Paul even taught that the gnostics [who taught that Christ came not in the flesh] were of satan. The Bride of Christ is Holy, the Bride has been made clean by Christ.
Take it from me, a Christian. You are falling for exactly what the Illuminati want you to believe. Gnostic "Christianity" finds its origins with babylonian sorcerers
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Now I put it this way - what if you are falling into the hands of the BB? That's exactly what Jack Parsons felt about religion....that the BB had injected falsehoods successfully, and controlled masses via lies and superstition (which is why you had the "dark ages" in Europe, which was anti-divinity with its cruelty).
The "dark ages" was the result of the pope attaining absolute spiritual and temporal power over Europe and the papacy was the result of the Roman Empire usupring Biblical Christianity. The Roman papacy is gnostic at its inner core and takes much of its belief system from the gnostic Alexandrian heresies. Once again, it has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity.
There is an occult law of Polar Opposites...if you have joy, you have sorrow, dark vs. light, etc...One trait beckons its opposite.
It also means if you have truth you have its opposite, falsehood.
You can argue all you want with your beliefs, but I assure you...a number of falsehoods have crept into religion and planted themselves as the "truth" - which is ignorance and superstition. Don't just believe in a book or a church, be an investigator and you will come far.
God preserves his word [Holy Scripture] and the books of Scripture were written by prophets under divine inspiration from the Most High. I do not claim to be without falsehood but I do make the claim that the Word of God is without falsehood or deceit.
The Bible has not changed. It has of course been TRANSLATED into other languages so that all can read, as salvation comes through believing and believing through the written word of Yah.
It has of course been TRANSLATED into other languages so that all can read
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I worked in the translations business for over 5 years (in management). Even with computer tools + experienced translators (highly qualified)....there were a NUMBER of cases of mistranslations....not spelling or grammar but WRONG content.
Given the theological and occult nature and allegorical references, something like the Bible, translated from ancient languages, is surely filled with error.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." - 2nd Timothy 3:16:4
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." - 2nd Timothy 4:3-4
You do not endure sound doctrine, you follow after your own lusts and heap to yourselves false teachers and arrogant men. You have itchy ears and so you have turned your ears away from the truth and follow occult superstition.
You do not endure sound doctrine, you follow after your own lusts and heap to yourselves false teachers and arrogant men.
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You don't know me, so don't tell me that.
Your own scriptures are contradictory...God is love and mercy once, then....God is a jealous...wrathful....?? It's a contradiction in terms. A loving God is good, certainly not a jealous one.
The BB penetrated the Bible is self evident...many authors are unknown and they are not the work of sages.
How is that contradictory? Look at yourself [made in his image], do you not occassionaly exhibit both mercy and wrath??
How can God be merciful to the oppressed without being wrathful towards the wicked? How can God display righteous judgment with wrath? God's mercy shows no bounds as he sent his perfect and faithful ONLY BEGOTTEN SON to an awful death so that wicked sinners could be redeemed.
God has INDIGNATION. Indignation means it is anger which is JUSTIFIED.
"You can't call yourself merciful when you are also wrathful, you can't be loving when you also have angst."
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LAUGH! werent you the one who was just proposing manichean style dualism [which you called polarity]? If you have joy you have sorrow. Does that ring a bell at all?? I do not know about you but I have BOTH joy and sorry, both love and hate. If I did not love righteousness then what would I be? If i did not hate sin then what would I be?
If you have joy you have sorrow. Does that ring a bell at all??
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Laugh at you ignorance. The LAW applies to man....not the Divine, who is beyond the law and above it and not governed by it. A sage also can eradicate the limits of law....remember Christ making the blind see? He broke the laws of biology...as a God-realized sage.
For instance, in the Devachanic plane (Heaven to you) - there is only joy and no sorrow. Laws change in different dimensions and apply differently.
Did Jesus not follow the law?? He FULFILLED THE LAW [his own words]. Man was not made for the law but the law was made for man.
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Reading, not understanding.
The Law He spoke of was the Law of Love. It is the eternal law of the universe.
There are many, many, many more laws. I read something like 99 laws, just FYI.
And a "higher" law can cancel the lower one...same principle in legal justice and even physics (a more powerful force can obstruct a weak force, laws of mechanics).
You are apparently the one who is reading without understanding, the law he was speaking of was the "Law of Moses", it is even stated in the most blunt and straight forward language possible. Have you ever even read the Bible or just what your "sages" say about it?? Love IS the law. Jesus said, love God with all your heart, love your neighbor as yourself shall be the whole of the law. The jews [pharisees] were preverting the whole purpose for the Law of Moses and Jesus set them straight.
You are apparently the one who is reading without understanding, the law he was speaking of was the "Law of Moses",
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Mosaic Law....now that was based off love. You quoted it yourself: "Love IS the law"...the rest are what sustains order and harmony and love...like being truthful, not coveting other's wives, etc.
He tried to show the pharisees that they were not following the spirit of the law, the law of love.
By the way, we are speaking of a law which was constantly broken by Jack Parsons and his companions.
Not only did they not show any remorse for their constant transgression of God's eternal law but they taught that it was there very duty to break the law and that it somehow made them godly.
By the way, we are speaking of a law which was constantly broken by Jack Parsons and his companions....they taught that it was there very duty to break the law
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They practiced Tantrism, which teaches a different approach (non-Biblical) to spirituality. Crowley fell as a black magician and Hubbard - IMO - was BB, but Parsons was genuinely far superior material. For instance, he gave his wife and her lover money to show no bad will existed (forgiveness). He had his own brand of spirituality.
Like I said, this all comes down to my faith in the divine inspiration of the writers of the Bible and your rejection of it.
"That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts," 2nd Peter 3:2-3
Jesus didnt "become" one with that Spirit that Spirit was always in him, it WAS him.
Salvation and eternal life is not something which can be "learned", it is giving by Gods grace.
Jesus did not "show" the way he PROVIDED the way and NO other can make that claim and anybody who does is ANTICHRIST [in place of Christ] and has the spirit of antichrist in them.
All glory to God, not the intellectual or spiritual pursuits of man.
If the Ghost was in you then you would testify of Jesus's glorious work at Calvary.
You would testify of his death and bodily resurrection and that you can find reconciliation with the Most High ONLY by his propitiation.
Pray on it, direct your prayers to YHWH and read a few books of the Bible [from both the Old and New Testaments], preferably use the Textus Receptus based KJV 1611 Bible if you have access to it and then reconsider your position.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." - John 1:1-4 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14
The light was in this world but the darkness percieved it not.
You are of the darkness because you do not comprehend who he was and his significance. Instead you want to chase after idols and paganism which is strictly forbidden in the Bible. Does it make you feel like some kind of "open-minded" intellectual to follow eastern paganism? I truely pity you.
You admire wicked men like Jack Parson who made it a point to break every one of the Most High's commandments.
You yourself break the first and most important commandment.
"Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,"
Kali symbolic?? NO WAY?? Wow, you blew my mind man.
OF COURSE I KNOW IT IS SYMBOLIC YOU BUFFOON. My question is what the hell does it matter?
"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:" - Deuteronomy 5:8
" For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" - Exodus 34:14
" For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" - Exodus 34:14
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Proof of your pathetic Christian rants.
Good Christianity works nice....your sort is the bigoted superstition that unfortunately creeps into religion.
God is pure love and not of human emotions like "wrath" or "jealousy" - just like a sage (like Jesus) would not have typical human toxic emotions as he was a Perfect Devotee.
So my quotes directly from Holy Scripture are "pathetic Christian rants". Your belief system does nothing but contradict itself. According to you Jesus is a "great sage" yet you show no respect or reverence for the very Torah which testified of him and which he taught from.
The Bible has not been changed. The Hebrew Torah was almost completely unchanged since the time of Moses and the New Testament has been translated but there is no evidence to suggest that it was ever changed.
So my quotes directly from Holy Scripture are "pathetic Christian rants". Your belief system does nothing but contradict itself. According to you Jesus is a "great sage"
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You know, big difference between a great sage and church politics...we know how much money and power early churches took. The Bible has been changed over time - despite your disbelief - and it is also misinterpreted due to lack of occult knowledge... Jesus was a real prophet, the church is not so holy.
The true "Church" is the mystical union of all those saved through JESUS Christ.
Please show some evidence or somethign to validate your claim that the Bible has been changed. You can say it as many times as you want but it will not make it true.
There is a book called "Misquoting Jesus" which was peer reviewed by scholars. Also - In the year 335, Constantine specifically stated that he wanted to cancel references to reincarnation. In 553 ad, the councel of Nicea in Constantinople met to ratify those ideas among other things.
Finally - are you going to believe a book thousands of years old, and ignore well-researched sages in the 19th century for instance? There have been many, many sages over time...
Yes of course I am going to trust a book that is thousands of years old. Moreso then a book written 50 years ago which is going to try and tell me what happened 2000 years ago.
The Council of Nicea NEVER made any changes to the Bible. We have manuscripts dating to the 2nd century which say the same thing as every other manuscript found. There is absolutely no evidence for your claim.
The council did change one creed, and two bishops who did not sign it were in fact banished. More changes were made in the 4th century.
In cany case, you have many sages in more recent times being well-researched and their words are more accurately transcribed. So there are a lot better sources of spiritual matters.
Also, the papacy was not truly gnostic Christianity, even if some parts did filter in. Any event, you can believe what you will, but there are lots of lies in scripture.
Yeah they created the nicean creed. The Roman Emperor was trying to gain legitimacy with the Christian community who was giving the Empire a hard time. So to promote unity [usurp power over the churches] they wrote up the nicean creed which was merely a set of statements which were considered Biblical by the mass majority of Christians WHAT IN THE NAME OF CHRIST does that have to do with the Bible.
Like I said, please show me proof, or at least some iota of evidence that the Bible was CHANGED
show me proof, or at least some iota of evidence that the Bible was CHANGED
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The authorship of at least fifty books of the sixty-six books of the Protestant Bible (thirty in the Old Testament and twenty in the New) is unknown.
Professor George T. Ladd of Yale College writes: "The authorship and date of most of the Old Testament writings, and of some of the New Testament, will never be known with certainty."
Things like God is a "jealous" God etc is all BB stuff...
God is the Creator, he created all things. He created mankind and then they went and made up imaginary idols [made of wood, gold, gems] with their own hands instead of paying tribute to the Most High. What kind of God would he be if that DIDNT anger him?? Would a just and good God he sit back in pleasure as his creation falls into ridiculouslness and error or would he set them straight?
The authorship of practically EVERY book of the Bible is known. The nay-sayers are doubting for no reason. Practically the only book in the whole Bible where the authorship is seriously doubted by scholars is the Book of Revelations. Do I have to go through and list every book of the Bible and its author? Because I could.
Most of the books of the Old Testament [and New] actually say who the author is right at the start and the books of the Gospel are actually named after the author.
Like I said, please show me proof, or at least some iota of evidence that the Bible was CHANGED
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I quoted you a BOOK "Misquouting Jesus".
Bart Ehrman is not an atheist but a passionate Christian who went to the the ultraconservative Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. HIS QUOTE (and this is a peer reviewed work):
"We have only error ridden copies, and the vast majority of these are centuries removed from the originals and different from them, evidently, in thousands of ways." There.
How could you call a man a "passionate Christian" when he denies the Bible which the whole faith is based upon??
What does he mean we have only "error ridden copies", we have hundreds of manuscripts (some perverted by the gnostics yes, but I trust in the Textus Recptus Majority Text of which 90% of existing manuscripts are based). And all the manuscripts say practically the exact same thing.
How could you call a man a "passionate Christian" when he denies the Bible which the whole faith is based upon??
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Because he is a Christian by accepting Jesus and His force in direction, but not the words of unknown authors or errors in translation, transliteration, etc.
A Christian need not be a deluded fool! If he finds errors ("the world is flat" or "shroud of Turin") he accepts the fact honestly.
Just being in the Bible does not maketh a truth!!! Lies & errors happen!!
Once again, the authorship of the books of the Bible are not "unknown" (with the possible exception of the Book of Revelations).
Being in the Bible does make it truth because the writers were inspired. If they were inspired then it comes of God and God cannot lie or claim a falsity.
I guess what this argument comes down to [as does every argument between a believer and a non-believer] is that I believe the writers of the Bible were under divine revelation and you do not.
Look at the Syrian Peshitta which dates to the late 1st century and agrees almost completely with the Hebrew Masoretic Text and the Byzantine Style manuscripts.
We do not have the originals because they would have been in such heavy use [because they were used to make copies] that they would have deteriorated within a century or so. But if the Bible was changed it would of had to have been in the 1st century shortly after the originals were written so there would be NO proof for this.
But if the Bible was changed it would of had to have been in the 1st century shortly after the originals were written so there would be NO proof for this.
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I JUST QUOTED you George Ladd, who is a professor teaching Christian philosophy. I quoted you an author who is a both a Bible scholar and a researcher who wrote a PEER-reviewed work.
Now....IF you want to argue with their findings because you think you are a better scholar, feel free. You fool nobody who questions *scientifically*
Your author gave no proof for his accusations and his accusations are regarded as bullshit by the mass majority of theologians. He simply said the same thing you did, the Bible was changed, without providing any evidence for this. How can he even begin to claim that the Bible was changed from the original when we do not have the original? But my Bible DOES date to the first century A.D. The jews have been using the same Torah for 4000 years that is in my Protestant "Old Testament".
Your author gave no proof for his accusations and his accusations are regarded as bullshit by the mass majority of theologians.
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He wrote a book. Read it. Then discuss what proof you have that even some of the authors are valid. Because a professor teaching Christian philosophy has confirmed the tenuous nature.
For a person with your susceptibility...the BB would have a field day. They control by injecting lies into reform programs (religion) to ultimately scuttle the whole thing.
I am not susceptible to the Illuminati because my world view is firmly grounded in the Bible, I will not believe whatever bullshit they try to feed me just because it may sound good to my sinful ears.
You are the one who is susceptible to this "Black Brotherhood" as you call it.
You even idolize their agents such as Jack Parsons and their lucifierian "sages".
Maybe someday you will wake up to what is really going on but I doubt it.
I am not susceptible to the Illuminati because my world view is firmly grounded in the Bible,
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What if they injected "bullshit" into the Bible? Then would your faith not make you susceptible? You bet it would...because you don't reason between right and wrong with any occult understanding...."jealous" God....yeah - show me where Jesus was jealous or wrathful for a minute.....He even died loving his hateful tormentors....
Laugh, the Bible even proclaims that Jesus will come back in WRATH, he is coming back to destroy the world and set up his "New Jerusalem". Jesus was often angry, for example, when he turned over the tables of the money changers and chased them out of the temple with a whip.
Jesus (God) does love the sinner but he HATES the sin.
Do not act like Jesus was some sort of yuppie who accepted every sort of immorality.
Laugh, the Bible even proclaims that Jesus will come back in WRATH, he is coming back to destroy the world and set up his "New Jerusalem".
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Uh - then why did He peacefully and lovingly forgive the pharisees and the Romans who crucified Him?
See - either the BB or some political fool injected that in.
His actions were far more loving and perfect. He turned over tables but did not show wrath...simply he was brave and blunt to remove garbage from a temple.
Uh- then why did He peacefull and lovingly forgive the pharisees and the Romans who crucified Him?
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Ahhh, now you would know the answer to that if you understood the difference between the nature of his first appearance and his coming appearance. He came not unto judgement the first time, but when he returns again it will be for judgment.
He came not unto judgement the first time, but when he returns again it will be for judgment.
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How foolish. His stories on the Good Samaritan, on Mary Magdalene, etc, all show judgment of a sage...He asked us not to judge, but said it would be done by God. He also laid down the law by which judgment occurs. So where was there no judgment? The judging is done by God (law of the Universe), and He laid down the Law (Mosaic Law). His fables show the yardstick of judgment.
Exactly, it was easy for him to show forgiveness for those who transgressed against him because he had FAITH that they would eventually face awful judgment anyway so what is the point?
So you do believe in the judgment? Good.. thats a start.
Do not act like Jesus was some sort of yuppie who accepted every sort of immorality.
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Never did. Only - He was not wrathful, He always showed forgiveness. He never took it out on Judas for betraying Him or on Peter.....He forgave those who crucified Him....but He simply made it clear that immoral acts in a temple were intolerable, and also enforced that by turning tables.
The Second Coming is an allegorical reference....not Jesus coming back, but rather that the Christ spirit will come to man. (Others will become sages like He).
Wrong, the Bible speaks of no "Christ spirit" whatever that is?
But there is the Holy Ghost which Jesus sent unto the world upon his departing. The Ghost was poured out on the Apostles during the pentecost. The Holy Ghost has been on the earth since Jesus departed so why then would they speak of the returning of Jesus??
The Second Coming cannot be simply an allegory or else it means that Jesus did not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies of the coming Messiah.
I understand the occult concept of the "Cosmic Christ" but it has NOTHING to do with the Biblical sense of what Christ [Messiah] is. According to the Old Testament prophets and the New Testament, the Messiah is a SINGLE man, of the line of David, who would act as the savior of his people.
It is you satanic occultists who try to pervert the plain and simple teachings of Scripture.
I am not satanic. Kindly get off your high horse...it is precisely people like you who create atheists....unreasoning due to blind belief.
You can hold a belief but making wild and stupid accusations is really not any better than wholesale lying.
Not that I care too much....you keep on reading the Bible and grow stupid with it. Ignore whatever anyone else - scholars, well-meaning occult students, etc - try to say when they chime in. See nothing but your truth....one you never verified.
God is a person and he is extremely complex and he does display a wide array of characteristics. God is a Spirit and those who would worship him must worship him in both spirit and truth. He is merciful, Holy, wise, terrible, immutable, self sufficient, sovereign, good, transcendent, omnipotent, jealous, angry, patient, faithful, etc.
Shiv, Parsons was head of the OTO, which has spawned many satanic organizations such as the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan. The OTO is made up of the high levels of the satanic Memphis and Mizraim rite wakos who are some of the primary people responsible for child abductions and mind control operations in America today.
Parsons was not some mere low level tantrist but a high level occultist along with his buddies L. Ron Hubbard, Crowley and his nazi NASA buddies.
No, just the Agape Lodge within, and he resigned as a failed magician.
Parsons was not some mere low level tantrist but a high level occultist
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In rank, yes...in success, no.
along with his buddies L. Ron Hubbard
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Hubbard was BB or a "dugpa" type and a TRILLION times worse than Parsons in terms of ethics. He fleeced knowledge from Parsons, and his monies and also took off with his girl.
Enlarged NASA Mt. Montserrat (Spain) photosatellite.
The vision of high peaks (compact in 10 x 5 km.) look like a human face image,... with a signal like 3th eye just in middle of his front where stand a very famous santuary:
COPY AND PASTE
webspace.webring.com/people/or/ramonetriu/montserrat.html
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peopledick 3 months ago
Wow. Charles Stansfield Jones. There's another obscure and fascinating figure. With a Canadian connection (I'm a Canuck). Not much written about Jones but I'd sure like to find out more re: the dude. If you have any suggestions for reading on Jones, drop 'em my way.
Sorry if I seem like I'm plugging my novel--there was SO much research devoted to its creation and a great deal of it touched on Parsons, Hubbard, the Babalon Working, etc. Pop by my blog sometime--there's a free excerpt.
cliffjburns 6 months ago
Majorhoop--clearly you know your stuff and it's a pleasure to run across you in cyberspace. I'm no believer, find the occult and supernatural fairly silly, but, dang, it makes for fascinating reading...and discussion. I read about the Hubbard-Parsons connection in BARE-FACED MESSIAH and it was the scene of the two of them out in the Mojave, trying to raise a demon (of sorts), that inspired my novel (and cost me over 3 years of my life)...
It's been fun chatting with you...
cliffjburns 6 months ago
@cliffjburns --i'll have to read your novel, sounds like good fun. while im not an occultist, i find this subject & the history of the occult in general fascinating. ive often wondered if hubbard ever met charles stansfield jones up in the northwest just prior to his meeting parsons........
thanks, its been a pleasure.----take care
majorhoop 6 months ago
Majorhoop: I don't think Hubbard was out to deliberate sabotage Parsons and his occult group. Elron was genuinely intrigued by black magic--and the women it drew--and this notion that he infiltrated the Los Angeles occult scene to thwart the minions of evil is Scientology re-writing history. One of the accounts I read said that Hubbard's sanity was never the same after he and Parsons returned from the desert after trying to "raise" an elemental spirit through Parsons' "Babalon Working".
cliffjburns 6 months ago
@cliffjburns ---i agree with you; the scientology "deliberate sabotage" assertion doesnt sound credible to me either. hubbard i think may have been interested in the occult, or "black magic" in this case, as an instrument or technique for controlling others and parsons was an easy mark to start with. it is interesting to compare hubbard and parsons work in magic with israel regardie, who lived across town at this time and steered clear of this whole thing. regardie seems to have remained (cont)
majorhoop 6 months ago
@majorhoop --relatively sane while navigating similar (though not such extreme) waters. wizards parsons-quote comment above sounds like pure wilhelm reich, tho 20 years after him. regardie (a "chiropractic psychiatrist") was pretty thoroughly versed in reich and i think it must have served him well in the long run. parsons on the other hand i suspect only had a passing familiarity with reichs work, and was soon in over his head. l.a. at this time must have been an amazing place.......
majorhoop 6 months ago
What's to hate about the Jewish, Christian & Muslim god who's a former member of the Sumerian pantheon cooped by a desert tribe on a power trip. Lots of gods speaking from a mountain top back then. If I were a sea people philistine or a Babylonian, I'd hate him too. Or a Greek pagan running a temple for that matter
ThomasJeromeNewton 6 months ago
May Your Soul forever be Blessed Robert Anton Wilson............666
ScorpioRob666 10 months ago
Big up Robert Anton Wilson............a man that truly understands.
ScorpioRob666 10 months ago
I'm afraid I don't agree with Mr. Wilson's inflated view of the importance of scientist/satanist Parsons. I spent a lot of time researching Mr. Parsons' life and philosophy for my occult thriller SO DARK THE NIGHT and discovered a man who was more of a talented dabbler and dilettante than a serious scientist and black magician. An oddball and a character but hardly a seminal figure in either realm.
cliffjburns 1 year ago
@cliffjburns - I hope your book credits him with the invention of the 'mad scientist' haircut, as I find it hugely disappointing that nobody has ever acknowledged that one. For the record it can be achieved via a Van De Graff Generator. So put that in your Cliffnord Irving book, and make it a pop-up book with Enochian tables that spring out from every page.
AgentDeadPinata 9 months ago
@cliffjburns ---i somewhat agree, though as a scientist i would describe him as an inspired amateur. however i dont think that his importance to the development of our early space program, while limited, should be underestimated. i believe he was certainly a serious occultist who suffered from a certain naivete that rendered him susceptible to the workings (or deliberate sabotage) of scam artist hubbard. the romantic nature of his life and character have turned him into something of a cult hero.
majorhoop 6 months ago
interesting.
JohnWhitesideParsons 1 year ago
@lexilicious74:You're amusing.Can you cite a "perfect example"?
tabbypappy 1 year ago
@sandwichchappy I'm aware of the differences between the 2.Are you aware of the differences between intelligent responses & trolling?
tabbypappy 1 year ago
Hmmm...RAW states that this country(North America) was founded on "libertarian principles".I wonder what Native Americans & Blacks would think of these "principles".
tabbypappy 1 year ago
@tabbypappy That's a good question.
Cybervue 1 year ago
@tabbypappy he didnt say liberal principles, he said, as you correctly quoted "libretarian principles". there is a big difference.
sandwichappy 1 year ago
@tabbypappy The US having been founded on libertarian principles should not be mistaken to mean that the early US was a perfect example of a Libertarian society.
lexilicious74 1 year ago
@tabbypappy
principals and actions are two different things.
TheDonromm 1 year ago
This guy is illuminati. Trying to rationalize similarities between science and practicing occultism. Fuck you sir. It's good that you're dead!
Please took up Jack Parsons and you'll find a slew of dark shit. If you know anything about the connections of Occultism and other secret societies, you'll understand it.
sRod21 1 year ago
@sRod21
Anyone I disagree with is illuminati!
You! You must be illuminati. Get out of here you naughty blood drinking, space lizard!
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol Yes! In deed! I am illuminati! You got me! See that?...I can be condescending as well. I'm just stating my open opinion. Not that I care what you think of me in particular, but it's the principle of the matter.
sRod21 1 year ago
@sRod21
That's not really being condescending, but I wasn't either. I was being hysterical. It was parody.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol In fact, I feel it's damn reasonable to think that a hard-core occultist like Jack Parsons who was part of the OTO and selected by Aleister Crowley himself just maybe, gosh, possibly might not have been such a swell guy! And that people who defend him might have their own ulterior motives as well. So you know what? Call me a wacko. I really couldn't care less. After all, I'm probably just a disinfo agent anyway, right?
sRod21 1 year ago
@sRod21
I don't know why, it always makes me crack up when people suggest that Crowley, or people that are interested in Crowley's philosophy and magic are illuminati. He was such a goof.
In this case, I think that you're being heavy handed. Excuse me for making light.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol Well, what you consider not that big a deal is quite serious to me. If that's what you thing of it all, that's fine. Your view. Not mine.
sRod21 1 year ago
@sRod21
Why is it a big deal to you?
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
There is no such thing as The Illuminati.
Cybervue 1 year ago
@Cybervue
Well shit, I don't know who to believe, you or him.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Cybervue jack parsons is an evil man
iFearGod23 1 year ago
@iFearGod23 your name is" fear god" think about that you dick!
your fuckin god is a war monger a rapist a killer of children and animals!!
a statement.. is not a fact
get off the computer its a gift from pagans and atheists ! all you god dick suckers are all leeches..
fuck you and your homo jew god!
(no offense to gays)lol
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 1 year ago
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randomlaughingman 1 year ago
"This sublimation of the sex-urge has been the basis of the power of the church and is the source of much of the psychosis rampant in the modern world." - Jack Parsons
wizard11123 1 year ago 6
@wizard11123 YES
sex is the ultimate reaction against fascism (which religion comes under)
because the sex drive comes with puberty, the rejection of infantilism (circuits 1-3). Fascism want's to keep you in those first 3 circuits, by convincing you to see it as 'filthy' and worthy of repression.
I just thought I'd put it this way for the sake of the YT viewers currently at a quantum state in the future
and for my own edification
I'm not even sure what 'edification' means lol
build??
: P
natmanprime 1 year ago
parsons helped design the pentagon
pulsating123 1 year ago
I would like some proof to this comment, a citation or something like that, nothing from Wikipedia please.
Cybervue 1 year ago
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randomlaughingman 1 year ago
pretentious rubbish
JEBO777 1 year ago
@JEBO777 :ahem:
(with indignation) Nu-UH!
bobbygnosis 1 year ago
Jack Parsons: Demented Sociopath more like
pogmotho1n 1 year ago
That's funny. I always thought a sociopath was someone who was pathological socially. That is, someone who treats people without remorse in order to advance their own social needs. You could argue then that some CEO's of major corporations and probably ALL politicians are essentially sociopathic.
Anyway, Demented Sociopath is not an apt description for Parsons. One of his close friends could be described that way, but all he did was found a Religion.
Cybervue 1 year ago
hail , bob
KatieAnd5a5ah 1 year ago
@KatieAnd5a5ah: The Bob Is Great! Hail! Hail! Hail The BOB!!
MrStantonP 1 year ago
This is precious! You're right chaps, ol'Bob would be pissing himself right now. Just to keep the fires burning:
Christians are retarded.
knwitham 1 year ago
Yeah, ol' Bob would surely find this peanut gallery amusing, being an optimist and all. I also find it slightly depressing, considering some of these people aren't kidding. . .
waldenandwilson 1 year ago
Bob would love the comments on this thread! He'd definitely get a good laugh out of it
tattvam4 1 year ago
ignorance is bliss... there are other similar religions to catholic or christianity. If you decide to be stuck in your own reality and not accepting others, then that is your own choice. We can sit here and recite bible verses all day, or you can accept that there is an infinite number of possibilities in this universe. Our perception governs our own universe.
legendOFstivan 2 years ago 6
@legendOFstivan Our beliefs emprison us. Aristotle said that it is the sign of an intelligent mind when you can hold a thought without accepting it as fact.
Jones7036 7 months ago
Bob is the man, he will be missed. people mention him over at h+ magazine though... maybe there will be a bob revival in the future.
emperorzombie13 2 years ago
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
"uuuuuuuuhhhhh" is not a transitional phrase.
Oh yeah, and I am the reincarnation of Jack Parsons - please mail me all your money bitches!
PowerSurge352 2 years ago
We'd enjoyed a couple of martinis before the interview.
Cybervue 1 year ago
Jack Parsons perfected the fuel mixtures for solid rocket motors almost 40 years before the Apollo Moon Mission. Von Braun perfected the design of the Saturn 5 rocket itself. Together these 2 men made it possible to put man on the moon. Today's SRB's used for the Space Shuttle use similar fuel formulas.
orangerev999 2 years ago
"Greatest men of the 20th century"?? Jack Parsons was a satanist.
Of course RAW also got all mixed up in that same occultism, he was even friends with Aleister Crowley.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
truth and they are all ATLEAST demon possessed from even doing such things as sex magick and the SORCERRY that they soooo often did
also i think its absolutly funny that FALLEN angels aka ALIENS are whom giving the TECHNOLOGY and even go so far as to MAKE MUSIC think about how exactly CORRUPTED to the CORE this NATION has become since we took GOD OUT OF SCHOOL and put EVO IN ITS place but you kno turn from GOD in bad times they will only get worse
jgvtc559 2 years ago
And L.Ron Hubbard.
trollfinger 2 years ago
"Greatest men of the 20th century"?? Jack Parsons was a satanist.
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He practiced tantric magick which includes unclean acts, but that is one of the paths of liberation, since the inherent philosophy is the God is all. Parsons opposed the black brotherhood (satanism) and they got back by spreading lies about him. He was actually a minor, failed tantric magician - and a brilliant chemist.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Tantric magic is the satanic babylonian mystery religion in its purest form.
It is not at all a stretch to call Parsons a satanist.
A brilliant rocket scientist yes, a satanist yes.
There are a lot of men who have their brilliance inspired by lucifer.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Tantric magic is the satanic babylonian mystery religion in its purest form.
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A common misconception. People think that the Left-Handed Path is satanism. Some elements are, not all.
For instance, the effort to make oneself a deity is satanism, because it is focus on ego/separation.
The other part is seeing ALL (good, ugly, bad) as God...and being equal to all. Not Satanism, because it is unity with the Divine via the "back door". The risk of failure is quite high, though.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
The left handed path is satanism. In fact, any agenda or philosophy which sets itself as an opponent [adversary] of YHWH is satanic.
I will take the right handed path, the path less traveled.
Christianity is also about destroying the ego, except Christians destroy our ego by attaching it to Christ Jesus not through vain ecunemical philosophies.
You are in error by trying to seperate tantric sex magick with "black magick". They are one in the same.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
The left handed path is satanism. In fact, any agenda or philosophy which sets itself as an opponent [adversary] of YHWH is satanic.
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You should know that it is superstition propagated by some Christian sects. A great sage Ramarkrishna found God via love (bjakti yoga) but then also trained in tantrism and found God via that. He commented that there are lots of ways of finding God, and Yoga is replete with this.
Tantrism is NOT black brotherhood stuff...though many tantrics do fall.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
One should remember that in Eastern philosophy, God is not quite "good" but ALL...that which is not God is called "maya" or illusory. The quality of "good" is used to remove the traits of "evil" and then "good" itself is discarded so the Soul is free of ego identification and hence "maya".
Crowley started out a genuine tantric but fell into black magick and was a failed magician. Parsons did do dirty/dangerous things but was far better than Crowley, and a failure too.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
The Christian ego dies on the cross and the believer is then born again unto righteousness.
This is all accomplished by the grace of God so we give glory to God and not to ourselves and our deeds which are most surely wicked.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
There are a lot of men who have their brilliance inspired by lucifer.
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FYI - in early Christianity, Lucifer was NOT a satanic figure. The black brotherhood pulled a master stroke by changing that belief, because the satanic element was opposed by Lucifer.
Don't just buy into fables, there are many schools of magicians and some entities may belong, for instance to the yellow school, - not quite Divine but certainly not satanic.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Tantric magic is the satanic babylonian mystery religion in its purest form.
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Tantric magic is not satanism....
In fact, up to a degree - both white and black magick are the same (same science), then they diverge. That's why the black magicians simply invert white magick symbols in cases....because they use the same methods but selfish or satanic orientation. Example: the Nazi swastika is an inverted version of the Hindu swastika, and black in color as opposed to red or white.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
To YHWH ALL "magick", whether the sorcerer considers it "black" or "white" is sin and of the adversary.
And it truely is as both are the creation of the Mystery neo-babylon system.
Do you think it is merely a coincidence that so many tantric practitioners end up practicing what even you yourself would consider satanic black magic??
Like every false "religion" or ideology it is a gateway belief which will lead to even more advanced forms of satanism.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
To YHWH ALL "magick", whether the sorcerer considers it "black" or "white" is sin and of the adversary.
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Someone like Franz Bardon was a sinner or a high-level Adept?
Selfishness is "sin" and a white magician actually is altruistic and healing and ethical.
Parsons was also ethical, though not a white magician. He was a "gray" magician - he actually thought he was fighting the BB in his work. But they were also playing with him, and he fell, though not due to evil motives.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Tantra is simply luciferianism.
Just because the tantrist might not fully understand or accept that lucifer is satan [adversary] does not mean that he isn't a satanist.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Jack Parsons was a dangerous man, this according to some of his closests colleagues such as Fritz Zwicky.
For Christ's sake man, Parsons even tried to help birth the antichrist through a cermonial magic sex ritual [re: Babalon Working ritual]. Parsons openly admitted to being an agent of Ishtar [whom he even identified with the "Whore of Babylon]. He was serving the devil god[ess] as do the Jesuits and other papists when they worship the "Black Madonna". As a Tantr You might know her as Kali.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
As a Tantr You might know her as Kali.
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I am not a tantric, let's be clear there.
Kali is not evil by a long shot. She is a difficult Goddess to fathom, that's it.
Some thugee cults use Kali but so do true aspirants. The sage Ramakrishna was utterly pure (truthful, asexual, he could not touch money) yet he found God via Kali....and then used other methods including tantric and Islamic to find God.
Kali is misunderstood, that's all.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Doesnt sound to me like this "sage" is "pure", it sounds to me like he is a confused wacko who is completely unsure of his beliefs.
You cannot find God through just any road. There is only one way and it is through Christ Jesus.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You really shouldn't insult the pure or holy. Better apologize (even in a personal prayer) for certain spiritual laws do kick in when you insult a true sage.
And don't bring this Christian ignorance in....Jesus was also a great sage who showed us that sacrifice (symbolized by crucifiction) of the self in love (he forgave his tormentors) is needed to find Christ (God). There are many ways of approaching spirituality, and not knowing much does not give you the right to push false ideas.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Oh, I know much of your "new age" pagan based quasi-mystical beliefs. More then I can stomach actually.
Jesus said that HE was the way, the truth and the light and that nobody could get to the Father except through HIM.
Are you calling him a liar??
How can you call him a "great sage" yet deny what he and the prophets taught?
You are a follower of devils, worthless idols and vain philosophies.
I can only pray that through the grace of God the Holy Ghost will bring you to REAL truth.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Jesus said that HE was the way...
Are you calling him a liar??
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Did you understand the meaning? What Jesus said is that you could become one with God through Christ, the Higher Self that Jesus channeled.
The Higher Self of each person is the same....and the ONLY way to God.
The Spirit in man (personal God, a.k.a. Higher Self or Overself) leads to the infinite God (Absolute). The "Him" is the Christic spirit, genius....not the flesh man. Context should be taken.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Look at you perverting the plain and simple meanings of scripture with your occultic garbage. You are the one taking his words completely out of context in order to make it in accordance with your occultic belief system. He did not say "the Christic spirit" [whatever that is] is the way he said I AM [YHWH] the way. And then he said:
"If ye had known ME, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." - John 14:7
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
It is through his blood [fleshly blood] that we are saved unto eternal life. It is the shed blood of the Messiah which sanctifies and purifies.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." - Roman 3:24-26
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
The devils minions say that he was merely a "great teacher" but he was much more, he was the very eternal WORD through which everything was made.
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23
You are teaching a false gospel and a false Christ. May YHVH have mercy on you.
"As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." - Galations
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You are teaching a false gospel and a false Christ.
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You know, the church touted the Shroud of Turin as the cloth that wrapped Jesus BUT chemical dating proved them _wrong.
Before that, the Church claimed the earth was flat...and harassed scientists who said otherwise....NOW they have been proven wrong.
Kindly understand the real Christ was not Jesus, but the Spirit in Him, and Jesus became one with that spirit as all men can. That's Yoga. He showed the way, so have others.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
What do I care of the "shroud of turin"??
The "church" touted it? What "church" is that? It certainly isnt my "church"?
Must you unbelievers ALWAYS confuse catholicism and its unsavory antics with true biblical Christianity? Have you not yet figured out that I am a Protestant or Baptist which has no great love for the papal institution? I never believed in the "shroud of turin", I could tell by looking at it that it was a fake, more Jesuit chicanery. They are master forgerers and hoaxers.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
The "church" touted it? What "church" is that? It certainly isnt my "church"?
Must you unbelievers ALWAYS confuse catholicism and its unsavory antics with true biblical Christianity?
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See - there are MANY FORMS of Christianity....and I gave you an example of one big church. There is also Gnostic Christianity which is rather more like Eastern religion blended with Christianity...so let's not just believe that you / your church know it all, the rest of the churches don't. Really foolish.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
The Jesuits even have the capabilities to create elaborate paleontological hoaxes to try to support their theories like evolution. One good example of that is the "piltdown man" hoax carried out by that "New Age" eastern religion occult follower and Jesuit Father Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. The "Shroud of Turin" is just another example of satans "lieing signs and wonders".
You are correct that you can have the Spirit of God in you, but you get it ONLY by the grace of God through Christ Jesus.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You are correct that you can have the Spirit of God in you, but you get it ONLY by the grace of God through Christ Jesus.
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Prove it, sonny. Just because you "believe" does not invalidate other religions and spiritual pathways.
Your scriptures are pathetic proof because they are no proof. Take it from me: an occult researcher, that Jesus showed the way for ALL to unite with the Christ spirit, and become one with it.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Shiv, the Bible invalidates other religions and "spiritual pathways" and other religions invalidate the Bible.
Take it from me, a Christian. You are falling for exactly what the Illuminati want you to believe. Gnostic "Christianity" finds its origins with babylonian sorcerers such as Simon the Magus. Paul even taught that the gnostics [who taught that Christ came not in the flesh] were of satan. The Bride of Christ is Holy, the Bride has been made clean by Christ.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Take it from me, a Christian. You are falling for exactly what the Illuminati want you to believe. Gnostic "Christianity" finds its origins with babylonian sorcerers
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Now I put it this way - what if you are falling into the hands of the BB? That's exactly what Jack Parsons felt about religion....that the BB had injected falsehoods successfully, and controlled masses via lies and superstition (which is why you had the "dark ages" in Europe, which was anti-divinity with its cruelty).
Shiv1971 2 years ago
The "dark ages" was the result of the pope attaining absolute spiritual and temporal power over Europe and the papacy was the result of the Roman Empire usupring Biblical Christianity. The Roman papacy is gnostic at its inner core and takes much of its belief system from the gnostic Alexandrian heresies. Once again, it has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
There is an occult law of Polar Opposites...if you have joy, you have sorrow, dark vs. light, etc...One trait beckons its opposite.
It also means if you have truth you have its opposite, falsehood.
You can argue all you want with your beliefs, but I assure you...a number of falsehoods have crept into religion and planted themselves as the "truth" - which is ignorance and superstition. Don't just believe in a book or a church, be an investigator and you will come far.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
God preserves his word [Holy Scripture] and the books of Scripture were written by prophets under divine inspiration from the Most High. I do not claim to be without falsehood but I do make the claim that the Word of God is without falsehood or deceit.
The Bible has not changed. It has of course been TRANSLATED into other languages so that all can read, as salvation comes through believing and believing through the written word of Yah.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
It has of course been TRANSLATED into other languages so that all can read
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I worked in the translations business for over 5 years (in management). Even with computer tools + experienced translators (highly qualified)....there were a NUMBER of cases of mistranslations....not spelling or grammar but WRONG content.
Given the theological and occult nature and allegorical references, something like the Bible, translated from ancient languages, is surely filled with error.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." - 2nd Timothy 3:16:4
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." - 2nd Timothy 4:3-4
You do not endure sound doctrine, you follow after your own lusts and heap to yourselves false teachers and arrogant men. You have itchy ears and so you have turned your ears away from the truth and follow occult superstition.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You do not endure sound doctrine, you follow after your own lusts and heap to yourselves false teachers and arrogant men.
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You don't know me, so don't tell me that.
Your own scriptures are contradictory...God is love and mercy once, then....God is a jealous...wrathful....?? It's a contradiction in terms. A loving God is good, certainly not a jealous one.
The BB penetrated the Bible is self evident...many authors are unknown and they are not the work of sages.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
How is that contradictory? Look at yourself [made in his image], do you not occassionaly exhibit both mercy and wrath??
How can God be merciful to the oppressed without being wrathful towards the wicked? How can God display righteous judgment with wrath? God's mercy shows no bounds as he sent his perfect and faithful ONLY BEGOTTEN SON to an awful death so that wicked sinners could be redeemed.
God has INDIGNATION. Indignation means it is anger which is JUSTIFIED.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Look at yourself [made in his image], do you not occassionaly exhibit both mercy and wrath??
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I don't advertise myself as loving or merciful...merely human
You can't call yourself merciful when you are also wrathful, and you can't be loving when you also have angst.
How can God be merciful to the oppressed without being wrathful towards the wicked?
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Let Jesus answer that for you...."forgive them for they know not what they do"...HE was in God's image...perfect love.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
"You can't call yourself merciful when you are also wrathful, you can't be loving when you also have angst."
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LAUGH! werent you the one who was just proposing manichean style dualism [which you called polarity]? If you have joy you have sorrow. Does that ring a bell at all?? I do not know about you but I have BOTH joy and sorry, both love and hate. If I did not love righteousness then what would I be? If i did not hate sin then what would I be?
Only one contradicting themselves is you.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
If you have joy you have sorrow. Does that ring a bell at all??
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Laugh at you ignorance. The LAW applies to man....not the Divine, who is beyond the law and above it and not governed by it. A sage also can eradicate the limits of law....remember Christ making the blind see? He broke the laws of biology...as a God-realized sage.
For instance, in the Devachanic plane (Heaven to you) - there is only joy and no sorrow. Laws change in different dimensions and apply differently.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Did Jesus not follow the law?? He FULFILLED THE LAW [his own words]. Man was not made for the law but the law was made for man.
It is nothing for God to break the laws of so called "science" as he is the one who placed them there to begin with.
The Son of YHWH followed every iota of the will of God while he was on this Earth.
There is no "sage" who can eradicate the laws the of nature on his own merit, it must be carried out either by God or a devil.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Did Jesus not follow the law?? He FULFILLED THE LAW [his own words]. Man was not made for the law but the law was made for man.
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Reading, not understanding.
The Law He spoke of was the Law of Love. It is the eternal law of the universe.
There are many, many, many more laws. I read something like 99 laws, just FYI.
And a "higher" law can cancel the lower one...same principle in legal justice and even physics (a more powerful force can obstruct a weak force, laws of mechanics).
Shiv1971 2 years ago
You are apparently the one who is reading without understanding, the law he was speaking of was the "Law of Moses", it is even stated in the most blunt and straight forward language possible. Have you ever even read the Bible or just what your "sages" say about it?? Love IS the law. Jesus said, love God with all your heart, love your neighbor as yourself shall be the whole of the law. The jews [pharisees] were preverting the whole purpose for the Law of Moses and Jesus set them straight.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You are apparently the one who is reading without understanding, the law he was speaking of was the "Law of Moses",
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Mosaic Law....now that was based off love. You quoted it yourself: "Love IS the law"...the rest are what sustains order and harmony and love...like being truthful, not coveting other's wives, etc.
He tried to show the pharisees that they were not following the spirit of the law, the law of love.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
I agree with your last statement except there is no "rest of the law".
Being truthful and not coveting anothers wife IS love.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
By the way, we are speaking of a law which was constantly broken by Jack Parsons and his companions.
Not only did they not show any remorse for their constant transgression of God's eternal law but they taught that it was there very duty to break the law and that it somehow made them godly.
WHAT WICKED SINNERS!
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
By the way, we are speaking of a law which was constantly broken by Jack Parsons and his companions....they taught that it was there very duty to break the law
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They practiced Tantrism, which teaches a different approach (non-Biblical) to spirituality. Crowley fell as a black magician and Hubbard - IMO - was BB, but Parsons was genuinely far superior material. For instance, he gave his wife and her lover money to show no bad will existed (forgiveness). He had his own brand of spirituality.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Like I said, this all comes down to my faith in the divine inspiration of the writers of the Bible and your rejection of it.
"That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts," 2nd Peter 3:2-3
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You are not being mindful of the words of the Holy prophets as you wish to walk after your own lusts.
As did Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley and all those other sex addicted God hating heroin junkie pervert sorcerers.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Jesus didnt "become" one with that Spirit that Spirit was always in him, it WAS him.
Salvation and eternal life is not something which can be "learned", it is giving by Gods grace.
Jesus did not "show" the way he PROVIDED the way and NO other can make that claim and anybody who does is ANTICHRIST [in place of Christ] and has the spirit of antichrist in them.
All glory to God, not the intellectual or spiritual pursuits of man.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
If the Ghost was in you then you would testify of Jesus's glorious work at Calvary.
You would testify of his death and bodily resurrection and that you can find reconciliation with the Most High ONLY by his propitiation.
Pray on it, direct your prayers to YHWH and read a few books of the Bible [from both the Old and New Testaments], preferably use the Textus Receptus based KJV 1611 Bible if you have access to it and then reconsider your position.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
So according to your worldview Christianity is ignorance yet Jesus was a "great sage"?
More double talk from a lost fool.
Look at Kali and recognize a devil and a false idol when you see it.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
So according to your worldview Christianity is ignorance yet Jesus was a "great sage"?
More double talk from a lost fool.
Look at Kali and recognize a devil
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You are a stupid bigot/ a mental handicap to higher learning.
Jesus has been identified as a white lodge master by occultists.
The "Him" was the Christic spirit - the only way to the Absolute.
Kali - not devil, fool, but a SYMBOLISM of the divine energy in creative form. Just symbolism....
Shiv1971 2 years ago
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." - John 1:1-4 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
The light was in this world but the darkness percieved it not.
You are of the darkness because you do not comprehend who he was and his significance. Instead you want to chase after idols and paganism which is strictly forbidden in the Bible. Does it make you feel like some kind of "open-minded" intellectual to follow eastern paganism? I truely pity you.
You admire wicked men like Jack Parson who made it a point to break every one of the Most High's commandments.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You yourself break the first and most important commandment.
"Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,"
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
You yourself break the first and most important commandment.
"Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
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This was in reference to the Asuras who also became "God" - or so they thought. They would be the "black Gods" used in black occultism.
Context, person, context. Don't read without understanding what the word meant.
Moreovre, get it straight...the scriptures are not nearly always correct - they are the handiwork of men and church politics for thousands of years.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Kali symbolic?? NO WAY?? Wow, you blew my mind man.
OF COURSE I KNOW IT IS SYMBOLIC YOU BUFFOON. My question is what the hell does it matter?
"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:" - Deuteronomy 5:8
" For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" - Exodus 34:14
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Kali symbolic?? NO WAY?? Wow, you blew my mind man.
OF COURSE I KNOW IT IS SYMBOLIC YOU BUFFOON. My question is what the hell does it matter?
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The BUFFOON is you, you are a bull crap extraordinaire. It would be easy to blow you mind...
Pay attention to what you write. You implied Kali is a devil, false idol, blah-blah.
She is only a "complex" symbolism of the one Lord, ***not*** some demonic spirit that is worshipped and deitified by black occult schools.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
" For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" - Exodus 34:14
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Proof of your pathetic Christian rants.
Good Christianity works nice....your sort is the bigoted superstition that unfortunately creeps into religion.
God is pure love and not of human emotions like "wrath" or "jealousy" - just like a sage (like Jesus) would not have typical human toxic emotions as he was a Perfect Devotee.
Hint: scripture is sometimes falsity...
Shiv1971 2 years ago
So my quotes directly from Holy Scripture are "pathetic Christian rants". Your belief system does nothing but contradict itself. According to you Jesus is a "great sage" yet you show no respect or reverence for the very Torah which testified of him and which he taught from.
The Bible has not been changed. The Hebrew Torah was almost completely unchanged since the time of Moses and the New Testament has been translated but there is no evidence to suggest that it was ever changed.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
So my quotes directly from Holy Scripture are "pathetic Christian rants". Your belief system does nothing but contradict itself. According to you Jesus is a "great sage"
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You know, big difference between a great sage and church politics...we know how much money and power early churches took. The Bible has been changed over time - despite your disbelief - and it is also misinterpreted due to lack of occult knowledge... Jesus was a real prophet, the church is not so holy.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
The true "Church" is the mystical union of all those saved through JESUS Christ.
Please show some evidence or somethign to validate your claim that the Bible has been changed. You can say it as many times as you want but it will not make it true.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
There is a book called "Misquoting Jesus" which was peer reviewed by scholars. Also - In the year 335, Constantine specifically stated that he wanted to cancel references to reincarnation. In 553 ad, the councel of Nicea in Constantinople met to ratify those ideas among other things.
Finally - are you going to believe a book thousands of years old, and ignore well-researched sages in the 19th century for instance? There have been many, many sages over time...
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Yes of course I am going to trust a book that is thousands of years old. Moreso then a book written 50 years ago which is going to try and tell me what happened 2000 years ago.
The Council of Nicea NEVER made any changes to the Bible. We have manuscripts dating to the 2nd century which say the same thing as every other manuscript found. There is absolutely no evidence for your claim.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
The council did change one creed, and two bishops who did not sign it were in fact banished. More changes were made in the 4th century.
In cany case, you have many sages in more recent times being well-researched and their words are more accurately transcribed. So there are a lot better sources of spiritual matters.
Also, the papacy was not truly gnostic Christianity, even if some parts did filter in. Any event, you can believe what you will, but there are lots of lies in scripture.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Yeah they created the nicean creed. The Roman Emperor was trying to gain legitimacy with the Christian community who was giving the Empire a hard time. So to promote unity [usurp power over the churches] they wrote up the nicean creed which was merely a set of statements which were considered Biblical by the mass majority of Christians WHAT IN THE NAME OF CHRIST does that have to do with the Bible.
Like I said, please show me proof, or at least some iota of evidence that the Bible was CHANGED
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
show me proof, or at least some iota of evidence that the Bible was CHANGED
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The authorship of at least fifty books of the sixty-six books of the Protestant Bible (thirty in the Old Testament and twenty in the New) is unknown.
Professor George T. Ladd of Yale College writes: "The authorship and date of most of the Old Testament writings, and of some of the New Testament, will never be known with certainty."
Things like God is a "jealous" God etc is all BB stuff...
Shiv1971 2 years ago
God is the Creator, he created all things. He created mankind and then they went and made up imaginary idols [made of wood, gold, gems] with their own hands instead of paying tribute to the Most High. What kind of God would he be if that DIDNT anger him?? Would a just and good God he sit back in pleasure as his creation falls into ridiculouslness and error or would he set them straight?
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
The authorship of practically EVERY book of the Bible is known. The nay-sayers are doubting for no reason. Practically the only book in the whole Bible where the authorship is seriously doubted by scholars is the Book of Revelations. Do I have to go through and list every book of the Bible and its author? Because I could.
Most of the books of the Old Testament [and New] actually say who the author is right at the start and the books of the Gospel are actually named after the author.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Like I said, please show me proof, or at least some iota of evidence that the Bible was CHANGED
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I quoted you a BOOK "Misquouting Jesus".
Bart Ehrman is not an atheist but a passionate Christian who went to the the ultraconservative Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. HIS QUOTE (and this is a peer reviewed work):
"We have only error ridden copies, and the vast majority of these are centuries removed from the originals and different from them, evidently, in thousands of ways." There.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
How could you call a man a "passionate Christian" when he denies the Bible which the whole faith is based upon??
What does he mean we have only "error ridden copies", we have hundreds of manuscripts (some perverted by the gnostics yes, but I trust in the Textus Recptus Majority Text of which 90% of existing manuscripts are based). And all the manuscripts say practically the exact same thing.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
How could you call a man a "passionate Christian" when he denies the Bible which the whole faith is based upon??
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Because he is a Christian by accepting Jesus and His force in direction, but not the words of unknown authors or errors in translation, transliteration, etc.
A Christian need not be a deluded fool! If he finds errors ("the world is flat" or "shroud of Turin") he accepts the fact honestly.
Just being in the Bible does not maketh a truth!!! Lies & errors happen!!
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Once again, the authorship of the books of the Bible are not "unknown" (with the possible exception of the Book of Revelations).
Being in the Bible does make it truth because the writers were inspired. If they were inspired then it comes of God and God cannot lie or claim a falsity.
I guess what this argument comes down to [as does every argument between a believer and a non-believer] is that I believe the writers of the Bible were under divine revelation and you do not.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Look at the Syrian Peshitta which dates to the late 1st century and agrees almost completely with the Hebrew Masoretic Text and the Byzantine Style manuscripts.
We do not have the originals because they would have been in such heavy use [because they were used to make copies] that they would have deteriorated within a century or so. But if the Bible was changed it would of had to have been in the 1st century shortly after the originals were written so there would be NO proof for this.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
But if the Bible was changed it would of had to have been in the 1st century shortly after the originals were written so there would be NO proof for this.
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I JUST QUOTED you George Ladd, who is a professor teaching Christian philosophy. I quoted you an author who is a both a Bible scholar and a researcher who wrote a PEER-reviewed work.
Now....IF you want to argue with their findings because you think you are a better scholar, feel free. You fool nobody who questions *scientifically*
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Your author gave no proof for his accusations and his accusations are regarded as bullshit by the mass majority of theologians. He simply said the same thing you did, the Bible was changed, without providing any evidence for this. How can he even begin to claim that the Bible was changed from the original when we do not have the original? But my Bible DOES date to the first century A.D. The jews have been using the same Torah for 4000 years that is in my Protestant "Old Testament".
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Your author gave no proof for his accusations and his accusations are regarded as bullshit by the mass majority of theologians.
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He wrote a book. Read it. Then discuss what proof you have that even some of the authors are valid. Because a professor teaching Christian philosophy has confirmed the tenuous nature.
For a person with your susceptibility...the BB would have a field day. They control by injecting lies into reform programs (religion) to ultimately scuttle the whole thing.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
I am not susceptible to the Illuminati because my world view is firmly grounded in the Bible, I will not believe whatever bullshit they try to feed me just because it may sound good to my sinful ears.
You are the one who is susceptible to this "Black Brotherhood" as you call it.
You even idolize their agents such as Jack Parsons and their lucifierian "sages".
Maybe someday you will wake up to what is really going on but I doubt it.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
I am not susceptible to the Illuminati because my world view is firmly grounded in the Bible,
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What if they injected "bullshit" into the Bible? Then would your faith not make you susceptible? You bet it would...because you don't reason between right and wrong with any occult understanding...."jealous" God....yeah - show me where Jesus was jealous or wrathful for a minute.....He even died loving his hateful tormentors....
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Laugh, the Bible even proclaims that Jesus will come back in WRATH, he is coming back to destroy the world and set up his "New Jerusalem". Jesus was often angry, for example, when he turned over the tables of the money changers and chased them out of the temple with a whip.
Jesus (God) does love the sinner but he HATES the sin.
Do not act like Jesus was some sort of yuppie who accepted every sort of immorality.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Laugh, the Bible even proclaims that Jesus will come back in WRATH, he is coming back to destroy the world and set up his "New Jerusalem".
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Uh - then why did He peacefully and lovingly forgive the pharisees and the Romans who crucified Him?
See - either the BB or some political fool injected that in.
His actions were far more loving and perfect. He turned over tables but did not show wrath...simply he was brave and blunt to remove garbage from a temple.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Uh- then why did He peacefull and lovingly forgive the pharisees and the Romans who crucified Him?
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Ahhh, now you would know the answer to that if you understood the difference between the nature of his first appearance and his coming appearance. He came not unto judgement the first time, but when he returns again it will be for judgment.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
He came not unto judgement the first time, but when he returns again it will be for judgment.
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How foolish. His stories on the Good Samaritan, on Mary Magdalene, etc, all show judgment of a sage...He asked us not to judge, but said it would be done by God. He also laid down the law by which judgment occurs. So where was there no judgment? The judging is done by God (law of the Universe), and He laid down the Law (Mosaic Law). His fables show the yardstick of judgment.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Exactly, it was easy for him to show forgiveness for those who transgressed against him because he had FAITH that they would eventually face awful judgment anyway so what is the point?
So you do believe in the judgment? Good.. thats a start.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Judgment is a myth entertained by those to weak or unwilling to stand up for themselves.
-Oz
Ozlanthos 2 years ago
@Ozlanthos Then oz is an idiot. Discernment is not for the foolish.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
@Ozlanthos It is sad that people like you lack any good judgement whatsoever.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
why because I don't opt to wait around for some fairy god mother to set things straight with my aggressors in life? yeah fuck you too!
-Oz
Ozlanthos 2 years ago
Do not act like Jesus was some sort of yuppie who accepted every sort of immorality.
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Never did. Only - He was not wrathful, He always showed forgiveness. He never took it out on Judas for betraying Him or on Peter.....He forgave those who crucified Him....but He simply made it clear that immoral acts in a temple were intolerable, and also enforced that by turning tables.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Shiv, this is a time for everything.
Jesus taught of hell more then any other subject. He spoke of hell more often then heaven because he did not want people to go there.
Seems to me like you are trying to deny the existence of the judgment.
Your belief system is obviously based on convenience and not truth.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
The Second Coming is an allegorical reference....not Jesus coming back, but rather that the Christ spirit will come to man. (Others will become sages like He).
Shiv1971 2 years ago
Wrong, the Bible speaks of no "Christ spirit" whatever that is?
But there is the Holy Ghost which Jesus sent unto the world upon his departing. The Ghost was poured out on the Apostles during the pentecost. The Holy Ghost has been on the earth since Jesus departed so why then would they speak of the returning of Jesus??
The Second Coming cannot be simply an allegory or else it means that Jesus did not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies of the coming Messiah.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Wrong, the Bible speaks of no "Christ spirit" whatever that is?
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Jesus was a man who was the representative of Christ....in occult circles known as the Higher Self, Overself, HGA, etc....
Surely, you don't think that Jesus the man would come again?
Old Testament authorship itself is tenuous as I pointed out earlier, and therefore not the best source for authenticity or facts.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
I understand the occult concept of the "Cosmic Christ" but it has NOTHING to do with the Biblical sense of what Christ [Messiah] is. According to the Old Testament prophets and the New Testament, the Messiah is a SINGLE man, of the line of David, who would act as the savior of his people.
It is you satanic occultists who try to pervert the plain and simple teachings of Scripture.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
I am not satanic. Kindly get off your high horse...it is precisely people like you who create atheists....unreasoning due to blind belief.
You can hold a belief but making wild and stupid accusations is really not any better than wholesale lying.
Not that I care too much....you keep on reading the Bible and grow stupid with it. Ignore whatever anyone else - scholars, well-meaning occult students, etc - try to say when they chime in. See nothing but your truth....one you never verified.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
"The Second Coming cannot be simply an allegory or else it means that Jesus did not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies of the coming Messiah."
How many prophecies do you think haven't come true?
tattvam4 1 year ago
He said he'll reutrn, dont talk about things you dont understand "human"
peaceme11 2 years ago
God is a person and he is extremely complex and he does display a wide array of characteristics. God is a Spirit and those who would worship him must worship him in both spirit and truth. He is merciful, Holy, wise, terrible, immutable, self sufficient, sovereign, good, transcendent, omnipotent, jealous, angry, patient, faithful, etc.
Believe it or not, you were made in his image.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
He scientific genius even gives away his occult knowledge.
He had high level understand of the kabbalah as did many other learned scientists such as the jews who created the Atomic bomb.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Shiv, Parsons was head of the OTO, which has spawned many satanic organizations such as the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan. The OTO is made up of the high levels of the satanic Memphis and Mizraim rite wakos who are some of the primary people responsible for child abductions and mind control operations in America today.
Parsons was not some mere low level tantrist but a high level occultist along with his buddies L. Ron Hubbard, Crowley and his nazi NASA buddies.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Parsons was head of the OTO
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No, just the Agape Lodge within, and he resigned as a failed magician.
Parsons was not some mere low level tantrist but a high level occultist
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In rank, yes...in success, no.
along with his buddies L. Ron Hubbard
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Hubbard was BB or a "dugpa" type and a TRILLION times worse than Parsons in terms of ethics. He fleeced knowledge from Parsons, and his monies and also took off with his girl.
Shiv1971 2 years ago
WTF THE OTO
is evil
your