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  • Very informative, I never knew the Diesels were powered by electric engines I thought the wheels were driven from the engine like a car lol

  • I read that Amtrak trains have two engines, one to move generate power to the motors and one to generate electricity to the carts and what nots

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  • Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'd swear I remember the G.E. Genesis series, like the freight, "Pooch" and older engines are 4 stroke. Not two. Somebody may have already said that in this chain but just in case....

  • Diesel locomotive is just a (generator) which provides power to the motors attached to the wheels of locomotive.

  • This video is geared towards school "Children" mentality. And since the average person rides passenger trains and NOT Freight trains- AMTRAK was used as the example as a way to connect with the average person (or child) who is listening- Remember- the video is only little over a minute long, for people with short attention spans and not much can be said in a 60 or 70 seconds!

  • greatwall sucks !!!!!!

  • I'll now quote Billy Madison.... "Everybody in here is now dumber for having watched this." Thank you.

  • LOL! They start out w/ "this is a 2-stroke engine" and end w/ "this is how Amtrak works" wtf? haha!

  • EMD Series 567, 645, & 710 are all "2" stroke engines.

    The P42 locomotive depicted is a "4" stroke GE FDL engine.

  • Oh come on ,you mean well, you are clean cut which is good to see these days when a lot of technical guys are nastily bearded and greasy. Model airplane engines are smaller 2 stroke engines, I think they are the smallest. Point is if you are going to explain how something works I WANT ALL THE DETAILS DOWN TO THE BOLTS. Stay clean cut , dont look like trash THanks

  • Why don't tour busses work this way?

  • @thecrism1 They don't need electric transmissions, BUT GM build a few diesel-electric transit buses in the early 1940s. Most were sold to Russia.

  • @DeserTBoB93535 Its not electric transmissions. It is ELECTRIC MOTORS. I guess it makes you angry to know that electric motors have so much torque that your diesel cannot do the job with a transmission. Look man, just deal with it. I know you want to call them transmissions to try to hide the fact that electric motors are doing the grunt work, but just stop it. Deal with the fact that electric motors own gas and diesel engines in torque face offs. cont...

  • @EETechs It's just terminology. It's perfectly reasonable to refer to an electric generator (on the Diesel engine) powering electric motors on the wheels as an "electric transmission" because that's exactly what it is. It's important to drive every wheel for maximum traction and it would be much too difficult to do that with mechanical gearboxes.

    Hybrid cars like the Prius also have electric transmissions. In fact, the Prius transmission is both mechanical and electric.

  • @ApolloWasReal The problem, though, I run into with the terminology is I try to explain that it is electric motors that turn the wheels, but people arrogantly say I am wrong and that electric motors are weak and therefore it must be electric transmissions. Being ignorant is one thing, but totally ignoring facts which can reduce ignorance makes them idiots. I fixed this issue, by making a torque battle video which proves that electric has torque WELL BEYOND a combustion engine.

  • @EETechs People must be pretty confused if they don't understand that "electric transmissions" imply electric motors. You're quite right, electric motors can produce very high torques while internal combustion engines have a hard limit imposed by how much fuel is burned on each power stroke. But I think locomotives use motors simply because they make it much easier to drive every wheel. Electric cables bend easily and are much simpler than geartrains.

  • @DeserTBoB93535 One could just as easily take out the diesel-gen set and replace the lost weight so that it will have the same weight as before, and have the power supply provided by an overhead wire system. The result will be no different in pulling ability compared to the diesel-gen power supply. cont...

  • @EETechs Actually, electric locomotives are often much *more* powerful than diesel-electric locomotives of the same size. Depending on voltage, etc, the overhead wire can supply as much as twice as much power as a diesel engine. Electric motors are also tolerant of brief overloads, while diesels (and gasoline) engines have well-defined speed and power limits. This is one reason why all the high speed passenger trains (TGV, "Bullet", ICE, etc) are electric.

  • @ApolloWasReal I was referring to the fact that your typical diesel-electric train lovers like to say the diesel-gens are stronger than the full electric which is not true. I never said the diesel-gen type is more powerful. I did say that if I replaced the diesel-gen with a weight ballast equal to it and ran the train as electric it would be no different pulling wise. What you are referring to is a purpose built electric train which are very powerful indeed compared to diesel-gen.

  • @DeserTBoB93535 Finally, diesel engines convert chemical energy into mechanical and electric motors converts electrical energy into mechanical. Both need to have their "fuel" in order to work. If I cut the fuel lines on a diesel then it will stop running just as if I cut the wires going to a motor. So in the end the only real benefit you have over electric is that diesel fuel packs so much energy without weighing so much compared to batteries.

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  • Hey Beavis, this video is stupid !! 

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  • That doesn't show how it works at all!

  • its not a fucing 2 strock you dumass

  • @d8ea Yes it is, you dope. The engine shown in a 12V710 from EMD, who's been building 2 strike diesels since 1938. However, the train shown pulling in has a General Electric "Genesis" pulling it, which has a 7FDL GE (originally Cooper-Bessemer) engine, which is 4 stroke. GE = 4 stroke, EMD = 2 stroke, usually. Don't be such a 'tard.

  • This video deserves a "DUH..... NOW TELL ME SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW." I was hoping to learn a little more detail of how these giants actually work.

  • This video is useless, and in fact badly misleading. It hints that the 2 stroke engine in a chainsaw is somehow related to a 2 stroke diesel, without explain either.  This is not the case.

  • waste of my time.

  • how stuff works fail

  • NCDOT can say they're 2-stroke, but not Amtrak. Fail.

  • @iceman977th All i know is they are 12N-710G3B-EC motors

  • Thank you!

  • They got some basic facts wrong. There are both 2-stroke and 4-stroke diesels, and both kinds are used in railroad locomotives. I'm pretty sure the Amtrak engine they show is made by General Electric, which uses 4-stroke diesels. The other major maker of diesel locos, Electro-motive, uses 2-stroke diesels. But even they are phasing out the 2-stroke because the 4-stroke is cleaner burning.

  • @erichand13

    Actually, Eric, they were closer than you were, unfortunately. The prime mover in this video is not a 4-stroke engine. It is an EMD 12-710G3B-EC (electronically-controlled) 2-stroke diesel, installed in a GM EMD F59PHI locomotive (Amtrak). EMD's later 265 series of engines were 4-stroke, but not the 710's. GM only produced 4-stroke diesels for its locomotives, after expanding from simply providing generator/motors to ALCO, to manufacturing their own complete locomotives.

  • @jlcame1994 no not all diesel engines are 4 stroke , there are 2 stroke diesels. The company I work for used to run Commer trucks which had 3.5 litre 2 stroke 3 cylinder diesels. They were really common once here in UK. Also they had several Scammell trucks ( 6x4 tractor units ) that had 2 stroke v8 diesels ). Apparently 2 stroke is better for very big slow running diesels as you get twice as many power strokes per rpm ( Im no expert on this but you can look up the technical stuff ).

  • @jlcame1994 NOT! Detroit made 2 stroke in 1-to 12 cylinders 1-71, 2-71, 3-71 etc. they had other versions also.

  • @jlcame1994 All of the EMD loco's in the UK are 2 stroke I think you'll find.

  • omg this was unuseful

  • yes i aggree with Conrailsd60m locomotives used generators that is dc machines a long time ago now today they use alternators along with huge rectifiers just think about a huge version of a car alternator but with less poles than a car alternator

  • This is a good example of how information gets screwed up!

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  • That locomotive is a p42 and has a 4 stroke engine not a 2 stroke.

  • this is a video showing how "bad presentations" are made. lol

  • no , imagine how much overhead wire would be needed for all trains, i think this is better than running cables all over the planet!

  • Sort of. We live in 21st century but we still use devices invented in 19th century:

    1)Modern steam turbine was invented by Charles Parsons in 1885. It is used in nuclear and coal/oil/gas fired electric power plants and they provide some 80% of electricity worldwide.

    2)Steam turbines are coupled with synchronous generators invented in 1880's

    3)Induction motors and 3-phase AC generation and transmission system were invented in 1890's

    4)First successful Diesel engine was built in 1897

  • That's how every *diesel* locomotive works. Overhead wires are really only used on metropolitan and high-speed rail.

  • no thats just how diesel-electric train works, :P

  • @NHComputerGeek I know right :p He forgot about the 30,000 lb 2 stroke v12 engine that straight up turns the wheels on a train pulling 100+ cars :)

  • Very disappointing presentation!

  • At our museum here in Washington state we have a 1943 GE 65 ton yard switcher that we use all the time. It has two 235 Cummins diesels and it is a VERY tough little engine! Diesels are really cool but I actually like steam better. ^_^

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  • i like how the engineer is wearing a hardhat while the passenger sit relatively unprotected

  • it's because the driver have to go in the engine room to make a part of his job for the start i think,not the passengers.

  • what a stupidity !!! first of all, those are not diesel locomotives... they are electro-diesel! that is why they are so powerfull :)

    and, second of all, there are a lot of details missig. for example, is there a crouch mechanism? and so on...

  • reply to hotrod ex. That's 710 ci of swept volume. They have 740 ci of displacement per cyl.. Each power pack is 450 lbs. each when we ship them from HKEC. If you want to see more on these EMD 710, 645, And 564 engines check out tug boat sites.

  • There MUST also be a massive education campaign for this end (of railway electrification. I should say look at India as well. They had went straight from steam on their main trunk lines to electric, and only recently (being a third world country) electrified all their "feeder" lines from diesel as well! The only intercity electrification in the WHOLE of North America is Amtrak's "ACELA" and "conventional electric operations on the North East Corridor. (NEC).

  • Sorry! Diesel has NO place on the tracks! This country's railways MUST pursue straight ELECTRIFICATION! Diesel belongs only for emergency equipment, stationary power stations, and of course as marine diesels (which I do have an inteterst). BUT NOT ON LAND TRANSPORT! (Look at Europe and Japan)! An electric loc is essently a giant transformer and rectifier that would take say 25KV 50/60 Hz from catenary and step it down to 480, then rectify it to a potential of 600 V/0 Hz. to traction motors.

  • Europe is not fully covered by electrified tracks. New technologies like DBAG 612 or "Baureihe 643" (both german systems) are still working with diesel. And there are a few german 643 which are doing their duty in california. Mostly built by Siemens or Bombardier. The reason for sophisticating diesel locs is that especially the german railway net is so big that almost every village or little town has a station and only main tracks are being electrified because of the costs.

  • @Koseiko2008 Electric railways do have many important advantages but they're also very costly. It's perfectly reasonable to electrify the most heavily trafficked routes first, especially where you want high speed passenger trains.

  • How do railroads knoe oho the locomotis & cars belong to & what they ar & where they are & going? Simple . Bceause my dad does contract wotk for the railroads, railroads use a system called an automatic equipment identification (AEI) system.

  • There are numbers and roadnames on the unit or car. And yes they use the AEI a lot, except for shortline locos since they don't go anywhere. You can tell where the tag is if you see a grey bar on the frame(right above the wheel(big duh)

  • the engine is a EMD 710 with 710 cubic inches per cylinder. 710x12 = a 8520 cubic inch motor.

  • isnt it a GE P42DC???

  • fuck off 2 stroke the either the people who made this vid are wrong or he people who made that train need some help

  • idiot they made it clear that the 2 stroke does not power any motive power.

  • What in the hell are you two arguing about? What the hell are you two even trying to say??

    LOL

  • I'm trying to explain AEI, I even forgot about commenting on this.(hmm)

  • there detroits.they are two strokes.

  • aren't detroits 4 stroke?

  • No. Detroits have ALWAYS been two-stroke. In fact they are the only diesel engine manufacturer that is still building two-strokes.

  • man!! was hoping video would show more detail on the engine.

  • this sucks!

  • thats a f59phi cab.

  • This video doesn´t explain anything (except the very basic principle of a diesel electric locomotive).

  • Agreed - too simplistic!

  • Agreed, it's far too simplistic, not everything revolves around Amtrak, not all diesels are DE, not all are 2-stoke, etc, etc

    10mins would have been good, but not 1! :D

  • Sure! Added to that, all diesel locomotives ain't diesel-electric.

  • Very true! You have diesel-hydraulic, diesel-mechanical, plus, sole examples of a diesel-pneumatic (Germany), and a steam-diesel hybrid (UK) locomotive.

  • Ahh, its really designed so that little children can watch, because if it is to complex, they can't understand it!

  • Yes, but they could've gone into a little more detail, or expended on it a bit more!

  • The EMD 12-710G3B-EC is the prime mover that the EMD F59PHI uses.

    The GE P32AC-DM has 3200hp, not the P42!

    The four "electric motors" are called Traction Motors.

  • 2GUNBOY, those traction motors ARE electric motors. What, does it bother to you to know that it takes torque godly electric motors to move a train? That would otherwise take 50 gears from a HUGE transmission to do the same thing? Seems you cannot except that the electric motors are doing the grunt work. ahah

  • Don't take this personally, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. Someone left a comment stating that not all diesel locos were diesel-electric. I responded by listing the different types of diesel locos that have been built over the years. Yes, I KNOW the traction motors are electric motors, and do most of the work!

  • Amtrak P42's have V16 four stroke engines not the 710G3B they where showing.

  • ^^^ yes that's true. this video has a bunch of mix ups. first it talks about a P42, which is a GE with a four stroke engine, then it has the shot of the primemover, and if you read the numbers and letters, it's an EMD 710G3B-EC, which like everyother EMD prime mover, is a two stroke. Also wrong they said it uses a generator. EMD hasn't used generators since the GP38. all -2 models and everything after used alternators.

  • GEs are not 2-stroke engines. They are 4-stroke.

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