this video sounds like it was shot underwater. oh, and your opening statement, "there is no evidence of british support of native americans stirring up the american frontier." is totally false. the british at fur trading posts in the ohio river valley gave firearms to the native americans, and pledged support. there were reports of dead "indians" that were really british soldiers dressed as natives.
@wolfebang Please give reference to your evidence. Please name the Trading posts.
I've been looking for that for some time & every time I track down a source they are talking about the Northwest Indian War 1785–1795. All British support of Natives ended with the Jay Treaty.
Who ever told you that was ether an idiot or a liar.
we left because of the Battle of Lundy Lane.. it was a stalemate.. both side suffered huge casualties.. and the Americans did not have manpower to keep on the operation it was actually 2,500 Americans vs 3,500 British (both sides suffered over 800 casualties).. this followed our routing of the British in Chippawa (which all took place around the time of the burning of Washington)
we left because of the Battle of Lundy Lane.. it was a stalemate.. both side suffered huge casualties.. and the Americans did not have manpower to keep on the operation it was actually 2,500 Americans vs 3,500 British (both sides suffered over 800 casualties).. this followed our routing of the British in Chippawa (which all took place around the time of the burning of Washington)
(4 Cont.) the Canadian campaign was actually 1 of only a few campaigns and was not even the entire war :P.. and it was also basically a military stalemate while the other campaigns were American victories (we horrifically defeated the British in the Western and Southern ANDD Eastern Coastline Campaigns.... you probably didnt know that British soldiers fought alongside indians in the Western Campaign?)
5. We controled parts of "Then" Canada at the end of the war.. its not like we
2. there were never Canadien.. (not Canadian.. 2 different things sweetie :P you should know that) involved in the Burning of Washington
3. the Burning of Washington was nearly 1 year before the end of the war and did not at all show victory?? IF you are going to claim the burning of Washington showed a victory ... then I guess we won too.. we Burnt York... WOW.. lack of common sense there?
4. the Majority of battles were won by the Americans throughout most of the Campaigns ...
OH and on top of that THEY ENDED THE INDIAN RAIDS that were suggested by the British (they no longer got into our affairs with the Indians)
AND the British abandoned their Buffer Zone Idea :P.. which would have ended western expansion :P
Total victory :P
on top of that we were able to humiliate the British the sea... keep parts of what was THEN Canada (and also parts of WHAT was then Canada would later be given to the USA in 1818 ceded by the British which would be modern day northern
WHICH was a practive they had carried out BEFOREEE the Napoelonic Wars.. and Ended because of the Trenty of Ghent
They stopped their arms supplying of the Indians (which made the settling of the area extremely easy... which had been difficult before).. they gave us complete freedom of trade.. thus ending the Blockade they had set up many years before the War of 1812
all objectives were completed
The USA won :)
no only that but they inflicted more casualties on the enemy than suffered XD
British invasions were pretty much completely failure
the only places they were successful were in unpopulated areas
and also Fort Bowyer (they were also able to gain help from people in Maine who supported the British)
the Americans were able to keep parts of Canada as well
NO.. we were not driven out of Canada lol which were in present day Western Ontario by the End the war both sides gave territory back AND the USA was able to keep Carlton Island.. they ended impressment
Now initially in the war the invasion of Canada met some success and some failure
typically being a Canadian
you look at
THE FIRST INVASION (the worst of them all haha)
and the Burning of Washington (which wasnt even the ending of the war)
while the British burnt down Washington (and then left) the Americans were carrying out successful operations in Canada :P Siege of Erie???... Gananoque??? Port Dover??
you seem to fail to notice that when the British are invading so are we lol
There were many times when British ships would randomly just attack American ships that were ON OUR COASTS.. I gave you one example
another is the Little Belt Affair.. however that time we won (and the only reason this event happened was because they decided to attack another one of our ships earlier and capture a maine citizen) can you see how ridiculous this is? haha
it basically stated that the British would not trade with Neutral nations period
This was basically stating that any Neutral nation was an enemy
it was one of the dumbest things I have ever heard haha
and it entirely pissed us off.. along with impressment
THen you have another attempt along with the Jay Treaty.. the Monroe-Pikney Treaty.. to end impressement (the monroe was in 1806 the Jay treaty was in 1795)
this also includes the Northwest Indian War.. Chickamauga Wars.. The Western Theater of the American Revolutionary War... British Agents had been supplying Indians with weapons since the American Revolutionary War :P
if you want me to go further into detail with this I shall.. :)
You also might want to look into John Henry and his letters :P
THEY MIGHT INTEREST YOU :P lolol
hahaha
he was a Spy for Sir James Craig :P well before the War of 1812
now.. no proof of Indians being armed by the British?
it is really well known that they were
XD
especially in the Creek War people like William Weatherford.. Peter McQueen and Menawa were great allies of the British... along with Tecumsehs war... who Personally told the American leaders he would accept the supplying by the British this is mainly because he did not accept the Treaty of Greenville.. the British tried to supply Tecumseh.. but he would not allow them in fear
there were also other attempts in trying to motivate the British and French to stop seizing our ships
because it was ridiculous... you are only telling one side
you make it look like we were TRADING with the French and the BRITISH were seizing our ships because of that
actually it went both ways
British would expect us to trade with them. and not France.. the French would seize our ships.. and vice versa.. so you get the Non Intercourse Act and Macon's Bill Number 2
can now see this :P we in return created the Embargo Act of 1807 which we put into affect to stop our trade with the French and British..
since they both used us as pawn in their game... not trading with us but expecting us to trade with them.. but at the same time both of them not allowing us to trade with the other
it made us extremely angry
so now you see the British were not the only problem... the French were a pain in our butt as well
after the defeat of the French in Trafalgar. the British did the same thing
the Orders in Count 1807
we were not allowed to trade with the French.. and the French came back with the Milan Decree that basically any ships using British ports or trade with them would be considered British and siezed... THAT included the USA.. they would plan to get rid of it.. however the USA would never get word of it :P
THE WAR causes relations with both FRANCE AND THE BRITSH to fail apart... hopefully you can
the HMS Leapord attacks the USS Chesapeake and boards it
this took place in Norfolk Virginia.. a little close for comfort wouldnt you say?
BEFORE 1807 the USA was allowed to trade with the French
during the phase that that French dominated Europe (except for the UK) the French put out the Berlin Decree.. which forbade anyone (their allies) to trade with the British.. that MEANT US.. we were angry about this.
Actually the complains were also against the French
not just the British :P
also you fail to notice that there were many events leading up to the war.. and the British pretty much knew it was going to happen :P The USA never had the annexation of Canada as a stated Objective.. THE LEADERS DID SAY.. that Western Ontario could be used as a bargaining Chip
YES you are right that the British would view these trades with the French as illegal
Man, you have any idea how good it is to see and hear your voice! I had my doubts it was your voice at first, that's how long it's been! Hope to keep in touch with you on here eh.
1) it's really hard to hear you with your settings.
2) could you clarify the areas that you say were "uninhabited", because the western fronteir was by no means empty; there were many Native American tribes.
3) You're correct. That guy's video just repeats the standard line kids learn in school; it's just nonsense.
The war was a violent of agression to conquer land, and that's what many hisotrians say. Today it would violate UN Charter Article 51.
this video sounds like it was shot underwater. oh, and your opening statement, "there is no evidence of british support of native americans stirring up the american frontier." is totally false. the british at fur trading posts in the ohio river valley gave firearms to the native americans, and pledged support. there were reports of dead "indians" that were really british soldiers dressed as natives.
wolfebang 5 months ago
@wolfebang Please give reference to your evidence. Please name the Trading posts.
I've been looking for that for some time & every time I track down a source they are talking about the Northwest Indian War 1785–1795. All British support of Natives ended with the Jay Treaty.
Who ever told you that was ether an idiot or a liar.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
Brillant vid limoboy3. The Yanks are legends in their own minds.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
its not like were KICKED OUT completely
actually we never were kicked out
we left because of the Battle of Lundy Lane.. it was a stalemate.. both side suffered huge casualties.. and the Americans did not have manpower to keep on the operation it was actually 2,500 Americans vs 3,500 British (both sides suffered over 800 casualties).. this followed our routing of the British in Chippawa (which all took place around the time of the burning of Washington)
you really need to learn history :P
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
its not like were KICKED OUT completely
actually we never were kicked out
we left because of the Battle of Lundy Lane.. it was a stalemate.. both side suffered huge casualties.. and the Americans did not have manpower to keep on the operation it was actually 2,500 Americans vs 3,500 British (both sides suffered over 800 casualties).. this followed our routing of the British in Chippawa (which all took place around the time of the burning of Washington)
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
(4 Cont.) the Canadian campaign was actually 1 of only a few campaigns and was not even the entire war :P.. and it was also basically a military stalemate while the other campaigns were American victories (we horrifically defeated the British in the Western and Southern ANDD Eastern Coastline Campaigns.... you probably didnt know that British soldiers fought alongside indians in the Western Campaign?)
5. We controled parts of "Then" Canada at the end of the war.. its not like we
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
2. there were never Canadien.. (not Canadian.. 2 different things sweetie :P you should know that) involved in the Burning of Washington
3. the Burning of Washington was nearly 1 year before the end of the war and did not at all show victory?? IF you are going to claim the burning of Washington showed a victory ... then I guess we won too.. we Burnt York... WOW.. lack of common sense there?
4. the Majority of battles were won by the Americans throughout most of the Campaigns ...
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
NOTHERN Minnesota
we also ended the debate between territory in the Northern States
which the British gave us our territories that rightly belonged to us :)
so actually CANADA lost land in this war
the USA lost nothing
our objectives were completely achieved.. and we got some extra gifts
anyone say
CARLTON ISLAND and boundaries furthered that did not actually exist :P.. like Niagra Boundary XD... :)
you really need to read up on your History son :)
Canada for one did not exist
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
OH and on top of that THEY ENDED THE INDIAN RAIDS that were suggested by the British (they no longer got into our affairs with the Indians)
AND the British abandoned their Buffer Zone Idea :P.. which would have ended western expansion :P
Total victory :P
on top of that we were able to humiliate the British the sea... keep parts of what was THEN Canada (and also parts of WHAT was then Canada would later be given to the USA in 1818 ceded by the British which would be modern day northern
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
WHICH was a practive they had carried out BEFOREEE the Napoelonic Wars.. and Ended because of the Trenty of Ghent
They stopped their arms supplying of the Indians (which made the settling of the area extremely easy... which had been difficult before).. they gave us complete freedom of trade.. thus ending the Blockade they had set up many years before the War of 1812
all objectives were completed
The USA won :)
no only that but they inflicted more casualties on the enemy than suffered XD
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
British invasions were pretty much completely failure
the only places they were successful were in unpopulated areas
and also Fort Bowyer (they were also able to gain help from people in Maine who supported the British)
the Americans were able to keep parts of Canada as well
NO.. we were not driven out of Canada lol which were in present day Western Ontario by the End the war both sides gave territory back AND the USA was able to keep Carlton Island.. they ended impressment
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
Now initially in the war the invasion of Canada met some success and some failure
typically being a Canadian
you look at
THE FIRST INVASION (the worst of them all haha)
and the Burning of Washington (which wasnt even the ending of the war)
while the British burnt down Washington (and then left) the Americans were carrying out successful operations in Canada :P Siege of Erie???... Gananoque??? Port Dover??
you seem to fail to notice that when the British are invading so are we lol
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
by the way THE NAPOLEONIC WARS
didnt start for another 7 years :P
There were many times when British ships would randomly just attack American ships that were ON OUR COASTS.. I gave you one example
another is the Little Belt Affair.. however that time we won (and the only reason this event happened was because they decided to attack another one of our ships earlier and capture a maine citizen) can you see how ridiculous this is? haha
NOW lets talk about the war itself
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
then you have the Rule of 1756
which was just idiotic
it basically stated that the British would not trade with Neutral nations period
This was basically stating that any Neutral nation was an enemy
it was one of the dumbest things I have ever heard haha
and it entirely pissed us off.. along with impressment
THen you have another attempt along with the Jay Treaty.. the Monroe-Pikney Treaty.. to end impressement (the monroe was in 1806 the Jay treaty was in 1795)
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
throughout the early existence of the USA
this also includes the Northwest Indian War.. Chickamauga Wars.. The Western Theater of the American Revolutionary War... British Agents had been supplying Indians with weapons since the American Revolutionary War :P
if you want me to go further into detail with this I shall.. :)
You also might want to look into John Henry and his letters :P
THEY MIGHT INTEREST YOU :P lolol
hahaha
he was a Spy for Sir James Craig :P well before the War of 1812
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
that it would do no good ..
this is because he was compeltely AGAINST anything White haha :P
so he viewed the British as enemies too .. (oh and he was against the Treaty of Fort Wayne as well)
AND HE told this straight in the face of Harrison
the leader of the Indiana Territory :P
so once again you kinda show you lack of knowledge (also there were treatis by the name of Vincennes and and Grouseland)
you might want to look those up
arms supplying to Indians was very well known to exist
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
now.. no proof of Indians being armed by the British?
it is really well known that they were
XD
especially in the Creek War people like William Weatherford.. Peter McQueen and Menawa were great allies of the British... along with Tecumsehs war... who Personally told the American leaders he would accept the supplying by the British this is mainly because he did not accept the Treaty of Greenville.. the British tried to supply Tecumseh.. but he would not allow them in fear
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
there were also other attempts in trying to motivate the British and French to stop seizing our ships
because it was ridiculous... you are only telling one side
you make it look like we were TRADING with the French and the BRITISH were seizing our ships because of that
actually it went both ways
British would expect us to trade with them. and not France.. the French would seize our ships.. and vice versa.. so you get the Non Intercourse Act and Macon's Bill Number 2
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
can now see this :P we in return created the Embargo Act of 1807 which we put into affect to stop our trade with the French and British..
since they both used us as pawn in their game... not trading with us but expecting us to trade with them.. but at the same time both of them not allowing us to trade with the other
it made us extremely angry
so now you see the British were not the only problem... the French were a pain in our butt as well
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
after the defeat of the French in Trafalgar. the British did the same thing
the Orders in Count 1807
we were not allowed to trade with the French.. and the French came back with the Milan Decree that basically any ships using British ports or trade with them would be considered British and siezed... THAT included the USA.. they would plan to get rid of it.. however the USA would never get word of it :P
THE WAR causes relations with both FRANCE AND THE BRITSH to fail apart... hopefully you can
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
but lets start with probably the first even
the Chesapeake-Leopard Affair
the HMS Leapord attacks the USS Chesapeake and boards it
this took place in Norfolk Virginia.. a little close for comfort wouldnt you say?
BEFORE 1807 the USA was allowed to trade with the French
during the phase that that French dominated Europe (except for the UK) the French put out the Berlin Decree.. which forbade anyone (their allies) to trade with the British.. that MEANT US.. we were angry about this.
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
Actually the complains were also against the French
not just the British :P
also you fail to notice that there were many events leading up to the war.. and the British pretty much knew it was going to happen :P The USA never had the annexation of Canada as a stated Objective.. THE LEADERS DID SAY.. that Western Ontario could be used as a bargaining Chip
YES you are right that the British would view these trades with the French as illegal
HOWEVER... it was not just the French
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
Man, you have any idea how good it is to see and hear your voice! I had my doubts it was your voice at first, that's how long it's been! Hope to keep in touch with you on here eh.
wisemanleo 1 year ago
1) it's really hard to hear you with your settings.
2) could you clarify the areas that you say were "uninhabited", because the western fronteir was by no means empty; there were many Native American tribes.
3) You're correct. That guy's video just repeats the standard line kids learn in school; it's just nonsense.
The war was a violent of agression to conquer land, and that's what many hisotrians say. Today it would violate UN Charter Article 51.
Good response.
EBanonymous 1 year ago
Well said
gilbert4321 1 year ago