I am 73 y.o. and was at York 30 in 1966 and watched "Grumpy", Sox & Martin, Dave Strickland and I can't remember who was the second Dodge. They ran 4 AT A TIME. The Z-11 is NOT a 348, or a stroked 409, I know a man here in NC that owns one. It was a special block built for NASCAR and drag racing. If anyone needs to know the mans name I can get it for you. You can contact me.
@68w30ru That is a W engine. THe engine you are referring to was raced at Daytona, and was completely different from the engine that is in this car. The engine here IS a stroked version of the 409. THE Daytona engine was caleld the 427 Mystery Motor. only produced in this year, and was the for-runner for the 396 that came out in 1965.
I am sure it was a 348 because my grandfather,his father,did special work for GM.One I remember the most was getting him to build a kit to install a V-8 (327 if I remember right) in one of the 1st Corvair's,but it wasn't finished cause back then with what the had to work with he couldn't get it to keep cool.After GM shut that down he did finally make one a couple years later and it was still here around town last I knew of and painted white with orange SS stripes and the orangish red interior.
I'm not sure which Old Reliable it was but my father was at MasonDixson one time in his '58 Black Impala.As the story goes that I heard from a few diff people he won the race with a blown Trans.
From what I have heard it wasn't any stock 348 '58.As far as they have found out it was a experimental Nascar 348 that my father found in the back of a garage starting to collect dust.
well old reliable#2 was an awsome car. when it was sold to bill jenkins it was an a stock car stick .took the national in 64,awsome car.the car was sold to bill when the owner went to nam to serve his country. i know cause i,m married to the man that owned the old reliable #2 car. wish people would have taken pictures back then. but everyone was to busy working on the cars to run them.
I was there in 63 when these Z-11s ran. Today I own one of only 26 known to exist today. They are NOT 409 cubic inch they are a total of 426.93 cubic inch Bored and stroked.These cars share NO engine parts with production 409s, Even the blocks were high nickel content special alloy blocks. This car, Old Reliable is worth high 6 figures. It still retains its number matching block,heads,andTrans. If you power shift it and broke these pieces, they are irreplacable. And the money you payed is GONE!
Hey Thumper, Good to hear someone who speaks from busted knuckles and a few decades of laying on garage floors. Could I pick your brain for some Z-11rear axle/susp info ??? I still run a 60 Biscayne, and I've always wanted to know what was under the back of that 63 with the dented fenders ? Did they run those TSB Chevrolet recall weld on plates from 1960 ? Did they have convertible style body mounts or body re-inforcements?Dave said "It Was The Fastest Of The Heard" with a grin........
@Thumper69696 Wow! I've been learning a LOT tonite from surfing around old drag racing vids. I had no idea that the Z-11 shared ZERO engine parts with the same year 409's. I'm 56, and remember this car and Strick as a young kid. But even back then, didn't the NHRA dictate that this engine HAD to have it's counterparts on street-driven regular p vehicles. If so, then NHRA must not have known that Z-11 engine parts didn't interchange with the regular production 409? Thank you. Joel in Tucson
If he could not do better than that he should have let someone like a little old lady about 85 do the driving. I know he is a lot older and didn't want to hurt the car but if that was the case they should have left it in the pits.
Only 57 were made in 1963. A 409 stroked to 427 cubes, special Z11 intake, cowl induction, compression bumped to 13.5:1, lots of internal mods and lightweight body parts. Factory rated at 430 horses, actual horsepower was around 530. Notice on the rear quarters, this car was tuned by Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins. Most went to racers, but some of these cars actually did make it onto the streets!
the Z-11 used the 409 format but was actually displaced to 427 cubic inches.most of them were sold to campaining drag racers and only a handful were sold as street cars.
Nice car.to bad he dont know how to drive it like the original owner lol great vid tho
carcrazychevyguy63 2 months ago
I am 73 y.o. and was at York 30 in 1966 and watched "Grumpy", Sox & Martin, Dave Strickland and I can't remember who was the second Dodge. They ran 4 AT A TIME. The Z-11 is NOT a 348, or a stroked 409, I know a man here in NC that owns one. It was a special block built for NASCAR and drag racing. If anyone needs to know the mans name I can get it for you. You can contact me.
Roger
68w30ru 1 year ago
@68w30ru That is a W engine. THe engine you are referring to was raced at Daytona, and was completely different from the engine that is in this car. The engine here IS a stroked version of the 409. THE Daytona engine was caleld the 427 Mystery Motor. only produced in this year, and was the for-runner for the 396 that came out in 1965.
secodrvr 1 year ago
Car needs driver
camflex66 1 year ago
Does anyone know anything of this "special" 348 engine?
rider660r 1 year ago
I am sure it was a 348 because my grandfather,his father,did special work for GM.One I remember the most was getting him to build a kit to install a V-8 (327 if I remember right) in one of the 1st Corvair's,but it wasn't finished cause back then with what the had to work with he couldn't get it to keep cool.After GM shut that down he did finally make one a couple years later and it was still here around town last I knew of and painted white with orange SS stripes and the orangish red interior.
rider660r 1 year ago
I'm not sure which Old Reliable it was but my father was at MasonDixson one time in his '58 Black Impala.As the story goes that I heard from a few diff people he won the race with a blown Trans.
From what I have heard it wasn't any stock 348 '58.As far as they have found out it was a experimental Nascar 348 that my father found in the back of a garage starting to collect dust.
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rider660r 1 year ago
well old reliable#2 was an awsome car. when it was sold to bill jenkins it was an a stock car stick .took the national in 64,awsome car.the car was sold to bill when the owner went to nam to serve his country. i know cause i,m married to the man that owned the old reliable #2 car. wish people would have taken pictures back then. but everyone was to busy working on the cars to run them.
amsmimo 1 year ago
iv seen this car pick up the front end doin a burn out now thats strong
19mg94 1 year ago
bah he went easy on it
citydriver 2 years ago
I was there in 63 when these Z-11s ran. Today I own one of only 26 known to exist today. They are NOT 409 cubic inch they are a total of 426.93 cubic inch Bored and stroked.These cars share NO engine parts with production 409s, Even the blocks were high nickel content special alloy blocks. This car, Old Reliable is worth high 6 figures. It still retains its number matching block,heads,andTrans. If you power shift it and broke these pieces, they are irreplacable. And the money you payed is GONE!
Thumper69696 2 years ago
Hey Thumper, Good to hear someone who speaks from busted knuckles and a few decades of laying on garage floors. Could I pick your brain for some Z-11rear axle/susp info ??? I still run a 60 Biscayne, and I've always wanted to know what was under the back of that 63 with the dented fenders ? Did they run those TSB Chevrolet recall weld on plates from 1960 ? Did they have convertible style body mounts or body re-inforcements?Dave said "It Was The Fastest Of The Heard" with a grin........
biscaynenick 2 years ago
@Thumper69696 Wow! I've been learning a LOT tonite from surfing around old drag racing vids. I had no idea that the Z-11 shared ZERO engine parts with the same year 409's. I'm 56, and remember this car and Strick as a young kid. But even back then, didn't the NHRA dictate that this engine HAD to have it's counterparts on street-driven regular p vehicles. If so, then NHRA must not have known that Z-11 engine parts didn't interchange with the regular production 409? Thank you. Joel in Tucson
naderchaser 1 year ago
If he could not do better than that he should have let someone like a little old lady about 85 do the driving. I know he is a lot older and didn't want to hurt the car but if that was the case they should have left it in the pits.
kennethrobinson123 2 years ago
Only 57 were made in 1963. A 409 stroked to 427 cubes, special Z11 intake, cowl induction, compression bumped to 13.5:1, lots of internal mods and lightweight body parts. Factory rated at 430 horses, actual horsepower was around 530. Notice on the rear quarters, this car was tuned by Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins. Most went to racers, but some of these cars actually did make it onto the streets!
rpgct1 2 years ago
to my knowledge I believe four of them were made for the street and Don also has two of those four.
skateusa 2 years ago
I remember as young boy seeing Dave Strickler make an exhibition pass with this car at York US30 in 1979.
RacerRose 2 years ago
Back when Factory Drag Cars were the Bomb!
BizbyJeff 2 years ago
My grandmother could shift it harder.
4thstooge 2 years ago
A manual drag car... the good old days haha
Hezath 3 years ago
damn that sounds good!
biscayne427 3 years ago
z-11 was a 409 with a longer stroke and better heads. had 520-540 horse
nemodapimpfish 3 years ago
the Z-11 used the 409 format but was actually displaced to 427 cubic inches.most of them were sold to campaining drag racers and only a handful were sold as street cars.
skateusa 3 years ago
not a 427 it'sa 409 425hp
stocklx 3 years ago
what the...git after it boy!
427BELAIR 3 years ago
Dave Strickler's ghost needs to teach this guy how to shift!
SuperStinger71 4 years ago 2