'America's Mayor' Calls for a Moratorium on Home Foreclosures

[AceOfHeart2012]

OK. Fine. But what about those of us who have already been foreclosed on and evicted? Forcibly at gunpoint in my case. Cripes, I was never even properly served the summons and complaint! What about us? Where's our bailout? Where's our moratorium. It would be wholly unfair to initiate a moratorium on current foreclosures and not have some way for people like me who lost their equity, was evicted at gunpoint, falsely arrested and jailed to not recoup without a long, drawn out lawsuit.

[TimLivelyUnearthed]

We cant just slap them on the hand and expect them to suddenly grow morals. Their greed is built into the structure of how they do business.

[bricksalegend]

whats a moratorium?

[AceOfHeart2012]

@bricksalegend Stoppage. To put on hold.

[TainaAtheist1]

TAYLOR, BEAN & WHITAKER MORTGAGE CORP who sold my mortgage to Wells Fargo is taking my one and only home on Monday, 11/23. On Monday I'll be officially homeless.

Thank you WELLS FARGO.

[BolivarianYouth]

Sorry Taína. Fuck Wells Fargo! That's why I love that the Macheteros jacked those assholes. We need another movement to fight these capitalists back!

[slsmit2]

This is just the beginning of the ARM Mortgages that are going to reset in the next several years...they wrote many more ARM Mortgages than they did Subprime...once these ARM's start faltering in leaps and bounds Subprime days will look like a cake walk...the housing crisis has a long way to go before it bottoms out...

These bankers did nothing more than steal real assets with fraud loans...thieves at the highest level...

[unclesam21]

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[andruh99]

Sorry, Reuters.

Story "U.S. mortgage fraud 'rampant' and growing-FBI"

Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:22pm EDT

[andruh99]

"Industry employees sought to maintain the high standard of living they enjoyed during the boom years of the real estate market and overextended mortgage holders were often desperate to reduce or eliminate their bloated mortgage payments," it said.

Source; Reutuers

[andruh99]

It's worth mentioning that the big problem was not people getting into mortgaes that they couldn't support. Certainly some of those people contributed to a some degree.

As MIchael Moore pointed out in Capitalism: A Love Story, 80% (iiirc) of the fraud was committed on the bank's side of the desk. Says who? The FBI says. (says Michael Moore)

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[rahungry]

I don't get it alot of amercans are losing their homes. And now every man woman and child ows about 200,000 from all the public debt that has risen. So they are homeless and still they have to pay for all the bailouts. What a funny world.

[theliberalparis]

republicans Moratorium on intelligence.

[Fockersnextdoor]

let's bail out all the gamblers while were at it.

[biguy617]

I thought Rudy was "America's mayor" who the hell is this guy?

[curlylarrymoe]

The banks are in it to make money. They were forced to give these loans thanks to President Carter's Community Redevelopment Act. When Clinton was in office he doubled the power of this act making things worse. We have Liberals and Democrats to thank for this mess not just the banks. More of the same thinking will not get us out of the mess.

[millersxtremedepot]

@curlylarrymoe...true words from another republiCANT

[curlylarrymoe]

I am not a republican. In my opinion the republican party is almost as screwed up as badly as the democrats. I consider myself a conservative.

[millersxtremedepot]

Apologies....I consider myself a HUMAN OF THE UNIVERSE and governments, no matter republican, democrat, liberal, whatever need a strong kick in the ASS!!!!!

[fattkattz55]

no thats bullshit and you know dont say shit thats not true republicans had far way more to do with the mess we are in now then any party and atlest were not the first party to borrow money from closet communist (china) (curlylarrymoe) ur a dumb shit now stand back while grown ups talk and if you dont like it...... love it or leave it pal :) have a nice day.

[curlylarrymoe]

Please explain how the republicans were more at fault than the democrats for the mortgage fiasco. I am not sure how you relate borrowing money from China to the mortgage crisis. I listed a couple of FACTS on the issue. My bet is you can't you weren't even born when Carter was president. In my opinion both parties are responsible but I would have to say the democrats did the bulk of it.

[stewart0312]

I though Guiliani was 'America's Mayor'. Oh wait, Rudy was 'America's Crossdressing Mayor'.

[monkybit]

hey gbhobson.. so you agree that we shouldn't have bailed out corporate America rite, you said---"It's a matter of them taking responsibility for their own stupid mistake(s) and getting in over their head. It's nobody's fault but their own, so suck it up and deal with it. Rewarding materialistic greed and stupidity is just bullshit."

[gbhobson]

Yep, shouldn't reward stupidity ~ even the corporations.

[gbhobson]

Total crock of shit, this is. Anyone the willfully and with freewill entered into a legally and binding contract is subject to its' terms. End of story. Nobody held a gun to their heads and made them sign on the dotted line. It's a matter of them taking responsibility for their own stupid mistake(s) and getting in over their head. It's nobody's fault but their own, so suck it up and deal with it. Rewarding materialistic greed and stupidity is just bullshit.

[dangerouslytalented]

... so basically what you are saying is as long as the victim signed a contract, that ANY kind of fraudulent behavior is OK with you?

[gbhobson]

What's fraudulent? They signed, got in over their head....and you think it's someone else's responsibility to cover their mistake? Pfffbbbttt....yeah right, guess again.

[dangerouslytalented]

These people were DELIBERATELY MISLED. The people who were selling these loans were doing so on commission, selling off the mortgages, and therefore could fear no repurcussions when they went bad. The victims did not know that this kind of loan could turn toxic, and the fraudsters did all they could to HIDE this fact from them.

Blaming the victim of a criminal endevour is simply adding insult to injury.

[gbhobson]

boo hoo hoo.....pay for my house

boo hoo hoo....pay for my car

boo hoo hoo....pay for my healthcare.

for fuck sakes, is there anything else you want taxpayers to pay for for you? Can we fluff your pillow at night, too?

[dangerouslytalented]

Actually, it is not the taxpayers who are paying if there is an amnesty on foreclosures.

It is those who sold the fraudulent loans in the first place.

And universal healthcare works well in every nation it has been tried. I would rather pay a hundred dollars more in tax than pay two hundred to an insurance company.

[DojoNDude]

Easy to say when your wallet is flush with money. It was that kind of sentiment that led to the French Revolution which of course led to "boo hoo hoo...where is my head?"

[fattkattz55]

hey (gbhobson) love it or leave it no ones asking you to stay you fuking greedy communist....!!!!!!

[gbhobson]

Put the crack pipe down and step slowly away from the table, fattkattz. Apparently you're not intelligent enough to know the difference between a communist and a capitalist (let alone a liberal and a conservative). Seriously, don't step into a battle of wits when clearly you're unarmed.

[gbhobson]

oh, and btw...the only "victims" in this are the taxpayers that are getting screwed by having to bail out morons that over-extend themselves.

[dangerouslytalented]

The taxpayers are not paying for the amnesty on foreclosures.

It is the very banks that have been making the fraudulent loans in the first place.

[Donninator1]

is this a joke?

[SatwaMan]

They did help me already.

President Obama gave me $25,000 over the next 10 years towards the cost of my house.

Millions of people got betweeen 15,000 and 50,000 over the next ten years savings with the 5% interest rate the government gaurenteed on a 30 year fixed rate.

It is a brilliant move for the economy. That money goes back into the local economies everywhere.

Thanks President Obama !

[boogpatton]

The Mayor is dead right!

[wpiman]

Good luck getting banks to make any more loans knowing they can't foreclose if people don't pay the mortgage. That will go over well.

[dangerouslytalented]

They will make the loans, but they will not be making the foolish ones. It is a way of getting the banks to stop lending money to people WHO CAN'T PAY IT OFF.

[CitizenViews]

all of these problems were allowed to continue simply to discredit the former power structure so that putting the house back in order will give the appearance of a superman coming to save america. it's all BS

[JayPhilosopher]

Good points. Thanks. Stop bank foreclosures. Bail out homeowners, not bankers.

[boogpatton]

I think that if the lizard bankers and wall street types figure they'll just retire to a safe gated, guarded community, I'd suggest that they buy a lot of diesel generators and bottled water. I figure it'll be easy for all the poor on the other side of the gate to locate the electrical service cables and water pipes. If the wolves kill all the rabbits, the wolves die as well, just the way it goes.

[tenagliac]

As the collapse accelerates better learn how to be a hunter gatherer and sleep under the stars because jobs and money are all going to other nations. The "poverty" tribe is growing fast. Backward into the future we go !

[mmann6666]

what i would of done is put in regulations like we have in australia !!!! u have to prove that u can pay off a the loan no matter what to recieve it and the amount that needs to be backed here is about 50% not 10% like in the states ... we did a trickle up bail out ... well it was more a stimulus than a bailout. And guess wat that combined with record low interest rates we only had 2 months of recession! now we are slowly going forward ... aussies 4 da win

[WKaliberr]

I wish I was a banker

[amp1616]

Virg Bernero for senate

[Coelacanth1938]

Lets burn effigies of bankers in public parks the first Friday in January. Maybe that will adjust their attitude towards Joe Public.

[goog2k]

Good idea, NO MORTGAGE RATE adjustments for two years!!!

[GlockNinja]

That bailout money should have been used to help me re-finance my house with lower interest rate and to give me back the money I lost when my house value went down. If you go to a store and buy a $100 product and later it sold for $50, you can take that product back and get the difference back. Same should apply out homes and cars!!!!

[dangerouslytalented]

Except these people were sold on a fraudulent investment. If you buy a car and the wheels fall off while driving home, then it has to be replaced.

What a lot of the people who sold these fraudulent home loans did was promise low interest rates in the sales pitch, then sneak all kinds of fine print into it, so these people end up with loans that they could NEVER afford.

[hahntsak]

what does a banker do when they go to foreclose and they meet shotguns like in the 30s? they declare him a terrorist and kill him. we need healthcare and families need protections from bankers. weren't money lenders the only ones to make jesus mad? he threw them out on their butts.

and they gripe cuz chavez is building houses over golf courses. people's lives are more important than banker's tee time.

[treid100182]

Virg Bernero is the truth...

...we need more leaders with the audacity to tell it like it is...

...good job, Mayor.

[WellIAMScottish]

Hey Obama, the last thing America needs is more homeless families.

What's that? Oh just another empty house whose occupants are now "annoying" people on the sidewalk in front of their home. Because they were kicked out and have nowhere to go.

Everything in this nation is backwards. Blank checks to murder people on the other side of the world, but nothing for healthcare or protections for homeowners....

SICK

[drakewingfire]

Its like the message in the Slacker Uprising movie, change isn't something that's asked for, its not something that you can sit back and wait for happen.

Im not saying a violent way is the anwser mind you. Im saying that if people really wanna get those big company CEO's and their greedy management out of there and help the little guy, people are gonna have to come out in masses to the point that businesses and city's practically shut down.. Little protests solve nothing, you need EVERYONE

[dangerouslytalented]

Like Roosevelt said: You elected Obama to do certain things, you now have to FORCE him to do them.

Because the opposition is trying to force him to do the opposite.

[Modeltrainguy]

Kudos, Mr Mayor!

5 Stars!

[marniespeaks]

evict the banks not the people

[SamariaTV]

Uhm.. did they not say they would do this a year ago?

Two year break and Imprison the criminals. I appreciate that New York will be putting the terrorist on trial - put these criminals on trial also. If a man can get arrested for stealing $30 - $500 worth of food, then the criminals who purposely committed fraud and extortion and caused this situation will be brought to justice.

[JSMcCainRocks]

The moratorium on home foreclosures is a bunch of crap.

I am a Real Estate agent and I have done many Shoet Sales.

During the short sale I have worked with sellers that have stayed in their homes over 2 years without the bank foreclosing on their home.

The sellers stay in the home and don't make any mortgage payments whitl the short sale is processed.

[dangerouslytalented]

Of course, that is because the banks realise that if they are evicted, then the house becomes abandoned, and that allows squatters, drug dealers, arsonists and vandals to move in, which not only destroys the value of the house but devalues the houses of all the neighbors.

Not all banks allow sellers to stay in their homes for two years. There are a LOT of properties that are abandoned.

[TheHaightAshbury]

Very True!

[videoguy604]

Sadly it'll never happen. Bail out Wall Steet, meh, help the little guy and THAT'S SOCIALISM!

[KataVideo]

I agree with this fellow 100%

[EricJaffa]

Does under $200,000 mean the buying price charged to the current owner, or the current value of the house?

[dangerouslytalented]

I think it would be current valuation.

Although with the crooks in the system, they would try to bend definitions somewhat to their own advantage.

[bigsteelguy]

You can add the Federal Reserve in there as well, with all it's dealings and printing of money.

It is not just wallstreet but all the banks who cheat people in they're money.

Banks are the biggest Thieves in world history.

They charge all this interest in Loans and expect people to pay back all this extra interest by adding so much more Debt to the system.

Zeitgeist Addendum Movie Explains this quite clear.

[dangerouslytalented]

I would not trust Alex Jones on anything.

The man is the prototype tinfoilhatter.

Banks have their role in economics.

However, at the moment they are being run by crooks. There has to be a return to 1950s style re-regulation,except updated to eliminate all of the tricks the banksters get up to these days.

[bigsteelguy]

As i don't agree with everything that Alex jones says, he is not too far off.

I hate to break it to you but all the old conspiracies are becoming more true and right in front of our eyes.

Most people have no clue how much they have been lied to by the government, Mainstream media, and the military.

Those days of wearing tin foil hats are long gone, People are waking up to the truth faster and faster.

The

evidence is out there, not many people want to really look for it.

[bigsteelguy]

Our entire lives are an entire Lie, that goes with our economy as well.

It is a make believe system that entraps and enslaves people's minds.

If you can't see this or everyone can't see this. I feel extremely sorry for you. Our world is extremely sick and it's going to take some time for us to heal.

The Federal Reserve is a Private banking corporation, it is not part of the government.

That my friend is an Actual FACT

Start off with Zeitgeist, then Zeitgeist Addendum,

[bigsteelguy]

More films The Zeitgeist Movement Orientation guide video 9/11 in plane sight 9/11 Loose Change: An American Coupe 9/11 Chronicles Wake up Call:The New World Order Money as Debt 1,2 Money Masters, the federal reserve Consumerism the movie And so many more. I Love Michael Moore's films as well, but the rabbit hole goes much more deeper than what he has exposed. If the public don't wake up now, more and more of our freedoms and rights will be taken away.

[ieatwiteoutforfun]

All of the "documentaries" you listed are bullshit. Go to college and get an education.

[dangerouslytalented]

The tinfoilhatters are not living in reality. And they are being misled by opportunists and profiteers like Alex Jones, who take carefully selected facts and weave them into complex webs of facepalm.

[bigsteelguy]

have you ever watched them?

Probably not

[TheHaightAshbury]

he didn't mention the 911 Co-chairmen Kean and Hamilton who wrote a book about the constraints they faced as commissioners titled Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission.

six out of 10 of the 911 commissioners are on record questioning the official story.

more bullshit I guess...

keep watching cnn!

[dangerouslytalented]

There are enough old "conspiracies" (like the war in Iraq, the Far Right's fight to stop universal health care,the banksters efforts to kill regulations, etc, to worry about the stuff that Alex Jones is going on about, with FEMA camps and 911 government conspiracies and chemtrails and antivaccination. Alex Jones's insane ramblings are distracting from the criminal activity that is ACTUALLY going on in the government.

[bigsteelguy]

Fema Camps are real and you can see them on Google Earth, 9.11 was an inside job.

Number 1. i'm not anyone's enemy

Number 2. I'm helping others to see fot themselves the truth.

Number 3 Most people believe anything or everything they see and hear, in main stream media and other means of information.

Soimetimes Truth is hard to Accept for anyone, but that day must come when we must face Reality, and it is not what we all thought it was.

[dangerouslytalented]

so you have seen them on google earth? Wouldnt a far reaching conspiracy have simply deleted them from google earth, replacing them with woodlands or farms or something?

[bigsteelguy]

No because they think we are so stupid not to look for them. Hiding everything in plain site, and laughing at us for going by our day listening to cnn, fox, abc, and msnbc.

They don't want us to see what is right in front of us, they do not want us to get educated, they do not want us to believe and listen to Alex Jones.

Infact he has been arrested a couple of times and he has been attacked, but not killed.

[bigsteelguy]

If he has been killed then that would give him more credibility to what he is actually saying.

So they can't kill the man,

So they just use people or pay people off to call him crazy and a conspiracy theorists to do everything they can to cause confusion.

There is a War going on and it is a War on our Health, on our Rights, On our Freedoms and more importantly

On our CONSCIOUSNESS

[TheHaightAshbury]

exactly

[dangerouslytalented]

Wouldn't they simply lace his tea with LSD and start planting evidence of increasingly ridiculous conspiracy theories where he can easily find them, thus making him seem more and more ridiculous to the average person, and therefore burying any real plots he might have turned up in a pile of hallucination and horseshit? I mean, there are MANY ways of discrediting a man, just have a look at what even a douchebag like Glenn Beck could do. He is taking out White House aides all on his own.

[dangerouslytalented]

If "THEY" were out to get him, he would already be dead.

A cartel or whatever that is capable, so Jones says, of creating man made viruses and massive secret concentration camps and riddling three massive well guarded continually inhabited towers with explosives and/or thermite is NOT able to take out him in some devious underhanded and discreding way such as leaving hanging upside down in a prostitutes hotel room wearing nothing but a rubber ball gag and crotchless bikini briefs? Really?

[venuecam]

Damn that's good enough to be made into a hollywood movie. Why don't you do that instead of wating your time on YouTube videos.

[dangerouslytalented]

I am starting small. About as small as you can get, one guy sitting in the park talking crap. Well written well researched crap that makes a point. Usually.

[bigsteelguy]

3 years ago, i would've agreed with you, 3 years ago i didn't even believe there were other planets, 3 years ago, i thought the world was the center of the galaxy, 3 years ago i didn't even believe in any of this stuff.

on 9/11, fema camps, shadow government, the fed, and so forth.

All i did 3 years ago is play video games, and watched movies.

I didn't even believe in Ghosts.

Apparent.y my awareness has opened up so far in the last 3 years it's incredible what most of us don't even know.

[TheHaightAshbury]

which is?

what is actually happening that alex jones doesnt want us to know?

are you fbi?

[dangerouslytalented]

Alex Jones wants you to believe all this conspiracy theory bullshit, so he can make money off you, by selling his documentaries and getting commissions off his advertisers who are selling quack remedies,self defence courses,guns and land in Equador through his website.

[TheHaightAshbury]

sure, alex jones does it for the money, that's why he begs his listeners to copy his videos and pass them out for free.

that's why he encourages them to copy and repost the videos on youtube,

what are the lies that jones is spreading? are you all talk? can you post a list of alex jones lies?

our government pays people like you to try to divide the citizens, so we fight while they pass unconstitutional laws and the banksters rob us.

so where's that list of alex jones lies?

[dangerouslytalented]

It is all about the PUBLICITY.

And you can see a list of Alex Jones's lies just by watching or listening to his program. The whole 911 government conspiracy theory garbage.

It is all about self publicity. The more people who buy his crap, means more people will go to his website and buy his crap. He is feeding your paranoia, and raking in the cash.

[TheHaightAshbury]

ok, you listed 911... what else?

he talks about a LOT more than just 911.

so where's the list? you can't produce it because 90percent of what jones is telling us is FACT!

he's just reporting on what he's reading in the newspapers!

Kill the messenger, kill alex jones!

produce the list you ignorant pundit!

[venuecam]

Feeding our paranoia? What? Like when Dubya tells us that if were not on his side then we're on the terrorists side?

Jones has only one agenda... to inform everyone of what's going on underneath our noses. Yeh he sells DVDs. He also openly uploads them to the web and lets ppl download and copy them 4 free. Raking in the cash?? If I was after money I'd cover the films I distributed in DRM wouldn't u?

Go research what he says. It's all fact. If you don't then you're another ingorant civillian.

[dangerouslytalented]

No, it is carefully selected facts, all combed over into conspiracy theories.

Bush lied, and manipulated us all, yes. So does FOX every freaking day. This does not make what Jones is doing any better. He is just handing down a different brand of facepalm.

Whereas Bush and FOX implied that Saddam was behind 911, Jones said it was Bush and Silverstein. Both lies are as bad as each other, with the exception that Bush got us into a war with HIS lies, and Jones just made money.

[venuecam]

Bush and his entire family prifted and are still profiting from the war in the middle east. Forget FOX. Forget media. Forget Jones. All Jones has to do with anything is the exposure of truth, no matter what form it takes.

Prescott Bush, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Jed Bush, etc, etc. were/are in bed with the Saudis.

[dangerouslytalented]

What he is doing is taking selected facts and weaving them into bullshit. And it is not all that hard. Hell, I could weave a story that Elvis never existed by weaving a carefully selected series of facts together and ignoring everything else, and asking a few pointed, leading questions. It is not that hard.

[bigsteelguy]

You know what is so sad about all of you who like to listen to politicians, and listen to mainstream media and corporate ceo's

They put this stuff right out in the open for all of us to see, and they do things in front of us. So they can Laugh at how stupid the people really are, by having you attack us Truth Seekers.

So allowing everyone of you to believe all of us are conspiracy nuts. That is what they are doing.

Except now people are getting Educated on the Truth.

[bigsteelguy]

"There is a War going on and it is a War on our Health, on our Rights, On our Freedoms and more importantly

On our CONSCIOUSNESS"

from my Comment Above yours

[bigsteelguy]

This whole thing they are doing to us is, to keep us fighting amongst each other by keeping us from the Real truth.

These kind of Debates that go on in youtube with people who are attacking people for what they think they believe in.

The powers that be are beating us down.

Once we understand that we are all Interconnected and we find out that we are not Separate from each other.

They're world comes crashing down, and our reality starts to shift towards a future we can't even dream of.

[mikerules999]

We are different from each other. You and all other theists and ridiculous and run your lives on what a fictional book that was edited over 400 times says. We on the other hand are into the future already and our future is one that doesn't include you.

[bigsteelguy]

We are more the same than you can even comprehend.

Step out of the realm of Virtual Reality

It is your egoic self that makes you believe we are separate.

Just because our bodies are different, our personalities are different or our attitudes and behaviors does not mean we are Separate beings.

We are more interconnected than you even realize. I hope you learn this some day, because right now, your at war with your self.

[mikerules999]

I my friend am not at war with myself I am at war with humanity and it's horrible crimes against life and existence. Our bodies, instincts, and heritage are the same but I am nothing like any of you. I strive to reach for the stars and one day wish to bring peace to all which is harmed by human life even if most of us must die.

[TheHaightAshbury]

they don't believe jones because he's not on MSM ... they only know the truth if they saw it on TV!

:( so sad

[TheHaightAshbury]

please post a list of alex jones lies.

KILL THE MESSENGER!

[RomeoMD25]

O was Big Finances top recipient in 08 to the tune of $40 million. Might explain

why 9 months later there has been virtually nothing done to reign in Wall St's excesses.

[llothar68]

The bigger problem are all the millions they gave to the bitches in congress and senate - and the good CEO, CFO, CTO etc. jobs they offer for later.

[dangerouslytalented]

Campaign finance reform. It is the only way. McCain/Feingold was barely a start.

[TheHaightAshbury]

a revolution will get their attention!

[dangerouslytalented]

Be careful what you wish for.

The Far Right are already revolting. FOX and Worldnetdaily and Alex Jones and all the other tinfoilhatters are making the nutjobs more and more paranoid, and they are the ones witth the GUNS.

[TheHaightAshbury]

The reality is that Barack Obama IS carrying on most of the exact same policies of George W. Bush. Hopefully more people will wake up to the fact that the Democrats and the Republicans are BOTH serving the same interests, and that no matter which side we elect we will keep getting the same results.

Just think about it. Have the policies of the United States changed much in the past 30 years no matter who was president or which party had control of Congress?

[dangerouslytalented]

Problem is, he can't fix things overnight, vested interests are giving too much money to the politicians.

The only way out is campaign finance reform. ACTUAL reform. McCain/Feingold only scratched the surface of what NEEDS to be done.

[TheHaightAshbury]

John McCain is making a big show of criticizing the government "bailout" of insurance giant AIG. But it turns out that AIG, which received $85 billion in US tax dollars earlier this week, is one of the largest donors to McCain's pet think tank, the comically named "Reform Institute," which he co-founded in 2001 "in direct response to the millions of Americans who, during the 2000 presidential campaign, expressed profound disillusionment with corrupt fundraising activities."

[TheHaightAshbury]

he can fix illegal wiretapping overnight, he can fix executive orders overnight, he can fix sneak and peek overnight, he can wake up tomorrow and decide to bring the troops home, he can reinstate Posse Comitatus overnight... the list goes on and on... all of which don't take over a year to FIX!

[jaroncreed]

a revolution? You are sounding like Michelle Bachmann dude

[TheHaightAshbury]

because you only watch tv, dude.

there IS no left or right, just tv pundits paid trying to divide us... and YOU are listening to them!

ever read the constitution? if the government becomes tyrannical it is our duty to remove it, by force if necessary. Too many Americans forget those truths. However, since a minority of the approximately 3 million colonial Americans did the Revolution, it appears that the same will have to occur again.

[TheHaightAshbury]

maybe I sound like Washington?

maybe I sound like Jefferson?

Maybe I sound like Franklin?

[jaroncreed]

yes that was back in the 18th and 19th century this is the 21st century. Do you use candles to light your home, do you shit in a bucket and throw it out a window? Snap into the future you fuck.

[TheHaightAshbury]

oh, so you don't believe in the constitution because it was written over 200 years ago?

I live in the past because I honor the constitution and bill of rights?

do you believe in God and the 10 commandments? Anyone who believes in the 10 commandments are stoopid fucks that should snap into the future?

don't bother replying to ME... tell that to your grandparents, or go to your local church and spring your fanciful ideas on the congregation.

and get the fuck out of america!

[TheHaightAshbury]

so many idiots in America!