The piano entry at 1:20 is very Messaien like. Perhaps an homage to the great man under whom Xenaxis studied? The thing about 1:42 to 2:15 is the pianist absolutely has to hit the notes as written for the harmonies to be clear, otherwise the music will sound like a random mess. The way Ooi plays it, it sounds quite funky.
n order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
Did Xenakis himself said you cant interpret this emotionally? I'm trying to do so, thinking of how Stravinsky could be so humoresque even in plain dissonance, because everybody seems to find dissonant music as 'hell music' at the most. I find this at times sad and at times hateful, and at times I cant find anything, but I still enjoy listening, its stimulating.
But why hear numbers and not emotions? Its like writing poetry, passing it morse code and use it as rhythm for a piece. That rhythm isnt a projection of a humans soul, but its also not poetry anymore. Unless you tell people to hear it in morse, then the rhythm would bring up the semantics to mind. Its purely methodological, does that classify as music? Sounds not from ones ears and heart but from calculations. Like if you toss silverware methodologically based on some physicist theorem. 'Music'?
I'd like to hear it in actual performance to see whether it can actually be classified as "Music" rather than "Cacophony." At 1:08 it sounds like Vuvuzelas... and I think anyone could compose this kind of sound.
@CJSHM Well you see the point. Say I want to write a piece depicting the "pointless and disturbing nature of World Cup enthusiasm." Can't I use vuvuzelas in cacophony to express my idea? Hm?
You know what fascinates me, too, about this broadcast? The direction as to what goes to the viewer. There is forethought in getting cameras set for certain sections and then, boom, there it is on the TV, whether it`s an orchestral outburst or the brass foaming at the mouth or being right on cue EXACTLY when the piano comes back in. This music is not most people`s mug of java, so it`s doubtful that any of them enjoyed their association with this; however, they performed their profession anyway.
A meaningless stream of letters written down with a mathematical precision will have as little influence on me, as this orchestrated noise - no matter how beautiful the typeface and paper would be and how well a printer would perform printing. I don't believe that anyone can find this piece aesthetically or intellectually appealing. However, what is truly great to me, is that we humans can conceive such absurd ideas as serialism and by arguing about it, expand our experience of music
@kippis321 I find this music appealing on both counts. Your analogy to meaning in a text explains your distaste very well. But when I listen, I am not listening for a text. I hear sounds, and an interplay of qualities within those sounds. In many ways these interplays sound almost traditional to my mind --- quite dramatic, in a musical sense. The contrasts from one sonic episode to another seem intentionally dramatic.
fabuleux document !! l'interprétation de H. Ooï est tout simplement impressionnante ... et l'orchestre ne l'est pas moins !! impressionnant et trés lisible duel entre le soliste et l'orchestre, tout à la fin de la partition.
No existen canones de belleza musical universalmente aceptados. De existir tampoco serian estaticos,sino modulables acorde con nuevas formas de esteticismo.
Hay quienes aceptan-de inmediato,o rechazan-ipsofacto- nuevas formas de expresion musical y
se apegan solo a lo viejo conocido y aceptado. Pero esa si es una constante universal aplicable desde que el primer ermitaño comenzo a tañir una flauta rustica. Hay musica que requiere el paso del tiempo para su aceptacion . Es cuestion de tiempo.
hes incredible isn't he? he must've been a harpsichord in a previous life or one of mozart's socks. how the fuck can he read that score? i bet if he ever got laid it'd be amazing, if he had the sheet music of course
only recently getting into xenakis, but, what a fabulous piece. what a strange explosion of sound at 1:43, almost like it's messiaen all of a sudden...
Synaphaï was Xenakis' first foray into a piano concerto, so I wouldn't be surprised if he threw in a reference to late 19th century piano music, such as in that cadenza.
i like how at 1:20, you see all the violins and the two basses in the back start playing on the underside of the bridge. xenakis was a genious. only him could've gotten stuff like this published.
its surprisingly quite enjoyable to listen to...somehow.
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Expert in crap are you? how nice of you to share your deep, meaningful and elequently articulated opinions about this music. Your contribution to the debate is so well reasoned we will all keep it in the highest consideration
I'd rather not be sane. I'd rather enjoy noise than detest it. If it helps you feel better just think of it as an extended head-rush from "A Day In the Life" (Sgt Pepper).
FYI, the score for this piece is totally bonkers! Especially for the piano solo. You can hear that he is trying to negotiate multiple repeated notes some of which are accelerating and others ritarding AT THE SAME TIME! The piano part itself is so complex that it sometimes splits into 10 (ten) staves, one for each finger! Performed by the redoubtable Hiroaki Ooï, piano. What a performance! Thanks!
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統一障害の心情を表しているように聞こえる。
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The piano entry at 1:20 is very Messaien like. Perhaps an homage to the great man under whom Xenaxis studied? The thing about 1:42 to 2:15 is the pianist absolutely has to hit the notes as written for the harmonies to be clear, otherwise the music will sound like a random mess. The way Ooi plays it, it sounds quite funky.
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ukdavepianoman 2 months ago
Посмотрите, насколько хорошо музыканты друг друга понимают!
SergeyHod 4 months ago
this is utterly satanic sounding...would make an excellent score for an avant garde horror film. :D
i'm sure the pianist would be less than delighted to hear that :P
Zestivity 6 months ago
Guys, shut up.
hessianihil 1 year ago
The conductor is cool
Bagas 1 year ago
n order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
omargk 1 year ago
Did Xenakis himself said you cant interpret this emotionally? I'm trying to do so, thinking of how Stravinsky could be so humoresque even in plain dissonance, because everybody seems to find dissonant music as 'hell music' at the most. I find this at times sad and at times hateful, and at times I cant find anything, but I still enjoy listening, its stimulating.
omgtkseth 1 year ago
But why hear numbers and not emotions? Its like writing poetry, passing it morse code and use it as rhythm for a piece. That rhythm isnt a projection of a humans soul, but its also not poetry anymore. Unless you tell people to hear it in morse, then the rhythm would bring up the semantics to mind. Its purely methodological, does that classify as music? Sounds not from ones ears and heart but from calculations. Like if you toss silverware methodologically based on some physicist theorem. 'Music'?
omgtkseth 1 year ago
Thanks a lot for posting this...probably the most excellent music on You Tube....
Thanks
scitsalcoryp 1 year ago
Sonidos Universales, colapsos estelares.
BchWrkVrzchn565 1 year ago
I'd like to hear it in actual performance to see whether it can actually be classified as "Music" rather than "Cacophony." At 1:08 it sounds like Vuvuzelas... and I think anyone could compose this kind of sound.
CJSHM 1 year ago
@CJSHM I'd like to see you do it, if it's really ANYONE. Compose a Xenakis-ian piece for piano solo and full orchestra, let's see.
physphilmusic 9 months ago
@CJSHM By the way, why can't Cacophony be used as part of Music???
physphilmusic 9 months ago
@physphilmusic true... also, this would be so difficult to play! I play piano as a hobby, and also violin... this would be near impossible.
CJSHM 9 months ago
@CJSHM Well you see the point. Say I want to write a piece depicting the "pointless and disturbing nature of World Cup enthusiasm." Can't I use vuvuzelas in cacophony to express my idea? Hm?
physphilmusic 8 months ago
You know what fascinates me, too, about this broadcast? The direction as to what goes to the viewer. There is forethought in getting cameras set for certain sections and then, boom, there it is on the TV, whether it`s an orchestral outburst or the brass foaming at the mouth or being right on cue EXACTLY when the piano comes back in. This music is not most people`s mug of java, so it`s doubtful that any of them enjoyed their association with this; however, they performed their profession anyway.
jppitman1 1 year ago
A meaningless stream of letters written down with a mathematical precision will have as little influence on me, as this orchestrated noise - no matter how beautiful the typeface and paper would be and how well a printer would perform printing. I don't believe that anyone can find this piece aesthetically or intellectually appealing. However, what is truly great to me, is that we humans can conceive such absurd ideas as serialism and by arguing about it, expand our experience of music
kippis321 1 year ago
@kippis321 I find this music appealing on both counts. Your analogy to meaning in a text explains your distaste very well. But when I listen, I am not listening for a text. I hear sounds, and an interplay of qualities within those sounds. In many ways these interplays sound almost traditional to my mind --- quite dramatic, in a musical sense. The contrasts from one sonic episode to another seem intentionally dramatic.
nobodady1 1 year ago
ART
cuallito 1 year ago
Thank you for this video.
BodyHeaven 2 years ago
das kann einfach nicht wahr sein.
johnteddyJoe 2 years ago
Is it just me or this is actually harder than the transcendental studies or even all the piece that piece liszt ever written? XD
nelsyeung 2 years ago
At 1:00 the percussionist is sleep... I don´t understand how can he be asleep with all that noise...
amontepeluso 2 years ago 2
He's not asleep. He's moving his hands.
maizahyodo 2 years ago
Jajajajaja, true!
Verito999 2 years ago
fabuleux document !! l'interprétation de H. Ooï est tout simplement impressionnante ... et l'orchestre ne l'est pas moins !! impressionnant et trés lisible duel entre le soliste et l'orchestre, tout à la fin de la partition.
à quand une version d'Erikhthon en vidéo sur YT ?
en tout cas, beau travail ...
"thanks a lot !!"
MrRaph87 2 years ago
No existen canones de belleza musical universalmente aceptados. De existir tampoco serian estaticos,sino modulables acorde con nuevas formas de esteticismo.
Hay quienes aceptan-de inmediato,o rechazan-ipsofacto- nuevas formas de expresion musical y
se apegan solo a lo viejo conocido y aceptado. Pero esa si es una constante universal aplicable desde que el primer ermitaño comenzo a tañir una flauta rustica. Hay musica que requiere el paso del tiempo para su aceptacion . Es cuestion de tiempo.
JorPove 2 years ago 2
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imagine this. a person is shot in the head with a hallow point bullet. these are his last thoughts as his brain is being dismantled by the shrapnel.
DillonDemas 2 years ago
awe inspiring, gorgeous, extraordinarily well performed. Anyone know the mathematical underpinnings of this one?
peterbreslin 2 years ago 3
That cadenza must be insanely difficult to play!
I really enjoyed this piece, I was glad I'd found a live performance of it. I also recommend Erikhthon.
scottturner1994 2 years ago
Great piece. I'm just now starting to get into Xenakis, but this definitely shows a great amount of genius. Thanks very much for posting this.
HerrWozzeck 3 years ago 3
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This kind of music has no sense.
It is only a great mistake.
laurion69 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this! I think he is one of the great visionary composers of the 20th century!
inescaro 3 years ago 2
I'd feel sorry for your misunderstanding, but given your previous history of comments... maybe not.
DannyDaWriter 3 years ago
this was AWESOME
LackingLack0 3 years ago 3
Amazing piece, astounding performance. It's so wonderful that something of this magnitude is available on YouTube. I wish I were there ...
piargno 3 years ago 11
hes incredible isn't he? he must've been a harpsichord in a previous life or one of mozart's socks. how the fuck can he read that score? i bet if he ever got laid it'd be amazing, if he had the sheet music of course
PoorElbe 3 years ago
only recently getting into xenakis, but, what a fabulous piece. what a strange explosion of sound at 1:43, almost like it's messiaen all of a sudden...
this pianist is unbelievable.
minirausch 3 years ago 2
Messiaen was after all Xenakis' most influential teacher, so it would not be surprising to see a bit of a tribute toward him.
DannyDaWriter 3 years ago
i LOVE this piece.
The harmony at 1:58 sounds unexpectadly jazzy/romantic-can this be right?
What impassioned conducting....Inoue is getting thrilling playing from the orchestra.
japanesesweet 3 years ago
Synaphaï was Xenakis' first foray into a piano concerto, so I wouldn't be surprised if he threw in a reference to late 19th century piano music, such as in that cadenza.
It's a lovely piece indeed.
DannyDaWriter 3 years ago
Excelente interpretación y el director francamente admirable.
Gracias por el video
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uhj4 3 years ago
i like how at 1:20, you see all the violins and the two basses in the back start playing on the underside of the bridge. xenakis was a genious. only him could've gotten stuff like this published.
its surprisingly quite enjoyable to listen to...somehow.
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Where do you stand in the great bullshit debate? What are your views about bullshit? Is it a significant social force? Is it an important element of modern society? Has bullshit developed in recent years? Is the quality of bullshit as high as in the 1990s? Or do you not have views? Do you need advice from a bullshit guidance expert?
Should bullshit become a way of life? Should the future of bullshit be regulated by government legislation, or by qualified independent consultants?
TheBigBullshitDebate 4 years ago
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sorry but this is a piece of crap
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synaphai=crap
ernesttehemo 4 years ago
sos un inutil, no sos quien para decir eso.
ChicoJeringoso 4 years ago
Expert in crap are you? how nice of you to share your deep, meaningful and elequently articulated opinions about this music. Your contribution to the debate is so well reasoned we will all keep it in the highest consideration
CzarDodon 4 years ago 3
Excellent performance. Inoue is brilliantly insane.
sonicpsychiatry 4 years ago 9
Amazing
Bougadas 4 years ago 3
STUNNING!!!!!!!!! Thank you for posting this.
guy214 4 years ago 2
lol are you still sane? this is pure noise..
ARGGHGHh my EARS are getting cancer
ganymed45 4 years ago
Well, Xenakis wasn't just about pleasing the ears.
Maybe more like, pleasing the mind...
homegirrl 4 years ago 2
I'd rather not be sane. I'd rather enjoy noise than detest it. If it helps you feel better just think of it as an extended head-rush from "A Day In the Life" (Sgt Pepper).
iwanttowatchsomethin 4 years ago
Whoho! My Favorite composer. The Beethoven of modern times.
pionata 5 years ago
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actually beethoven wrote sutff that was actually beautiful. Though i am curious how he would react, you could argue both ways
TheMadman2006 4 years ago
Beethoven's later work was considered unlistenable and dissonant, probably considered beautiful by today's standards
BeQuietPeter 3 years ago
FYI, the score for this piece is totally bonkers! Especially for the piano solo. You can hear that he is trying to negotiate multiple repeated notes some of which are accelerating and others ritarding AT THE SAME TIME! The piano part itself is so complex that it sometimes splits into 10 (ten) staves, one for each finger! Performed by the redoubtable Hiroaki Ooï, piano. What a performance! Thanks!
jatwell55 5 years ago 4
When you put it like that, 10 staves! Xenakis rules!
robcastellani 4 years ago
thanks for this video!!!!
bet23 5 years ago
thank you so much! any xenakis videos, piano or not, are very appreciated!!!
jre58591 5 years ago
viva! you said it!
crowe 5 years ago
Thank you Juan Pedroti for this. Viva Xenakis!!
ninjapunk76 5 years ago