Another cheater... that almost died in hospital after a training session.. I guess whoever was adivsing her on her drug taking, really didn't know as much as they should have.
Well said gorhman in putting cheetah69 FIRMLY in his place! All he does is come on here & diss East German women athletes with not a hint of balance regarding the American athletes that were drugged up to their eyeballs as well! Yeah he will go on about the Stasi files but they were never proven in a court of law and were regarded as forged as a vendetta against certain athletes at the time.
gohrman is right. Perec ran close to Koch's times: 48.25 (perec) versus Koch's 47.60, 48.16, 48.16, 48.22 and 48.26, and many other more times below 49.00. The difference is that Koch was much more consistent than perec below 49.00, and Koch ran below 49.00 in 1979, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1985 and 1986. Perec ran below 49.00 only twice: 48.83 and 48.25. All this makes me think that the most suspicoius of being doped is Perec. Koch's career was both consistent and long.
Ca veut dire quoi "sang Français", ducon ? Gaulois ? Romain ? Regarde un peu l'histoire de France et tu comprendras que nous sommes TOUS issu d'horizons différents et que "sang français" ca ne veut rien dire. Sais-tu aussi qu'un noir et un blanc peuvent avoir plus de gènes en commun que 2 blancs ou 2 noirs ? ...Non tu ne le sais pas, d'ailleurs sais-tu ce qu'est un gène ?
Aller va a l'école est reviens que tu seras instruit...
ella es francesa idiota, cuando se conquista medio mundo y se obliga a las personas a aceptar a la metropoli como soberana es evidente que aquellas personas son francesas para lo bueno y para lo malo, me gustaria saber cual es tu sangre
Bon je croyais avoir juste à faire à un abruti,mais en plus tu es inculte,la Guadeloupe fait partie de la France gogol,et tu pourras écrire tes conneries 10000 fois,ce seront toujours des conneries.En plus d'être con tu serais pas un peu raciste par hasard?Et moi j'ai pas besoin d'écrire plusieurs fois la même chose...et je pense que la Guadeloupe te dit merde aussi.
sort de chez toi mon gars ! la guadeloupe était une colonie francaise et elle fait partie de la france depuis assez longtemps pour que marie josé perec ait du sang francais ! de +, si t raciste va t'exprimer aileurs !
Wonder how Valerie Brisco-Hookes and Chandra Cheesborough could set those exceptionally fast times in one year (LA Olympics in 84)then disappear altogether suddenly.
They must be juiced.
Kathryn Smallwood was OK. She gradually built up to those fast times and remained there for a while.
She was trained for John smith acused of using drugs with their atheletes for CHarlie Francis. Perec was also trained for Wolgang Meier husband and trainer of Marita Koch however nobody doubt of her times even thought her times are at the same leval than deals made by Koch, Kratochvilova or Bryzgina wich are clearly under the shadow of doping. Is she clean really?
hey man she started training in John smith's group only from 1995!! still she ran 48.83 in barcelona 1992 so there's no doubt to me, she was great!!!!!!!
Perec ran close to Koch's times because the Atlanta track didnt meet IAAF standards for "compliance". The track was too hard and therefore assisted sprinters too much. Thats why the sprints were so fast in those games. She was clean!
Perec ran close to Koch´s times because she was a cheater also. Perec was trained by Wolfgan Meier, Koch´s husband. The fact is all of you think the only cheaters were athletes from the East countries however there are big cheaters also in the west like Florence Griffith, Marion Jones, Jackie Joyner, Gail Devers, Perec and Freeman.
Of course not... kersee´s troop athletes were extremely talented and they didnt need to be on drugs, it was natural for Devers running 10.80 at 100m as natural as Jackie Joyners hair starting to grow at the middle of her head...
And wich are your scientific arguments to assert she was not on drugs? There are only 2 plublicly positives on steroids in GDR athletes history (Marlies Görh and Illona Slupianek) however all of us have no doubts they all were on drugs. After the collapse of the wall of Berlin it was proven in Stasi documents that GDR government had a secret doping programn for its athletes. Kersees athelets ran the same times than Görh, Dreschler and Krabbe but they were clean...Why?
First off, how does one "prove" that they didn't cheat? What, you want play-by-play accounts of their training and diet? And when it came to the athletes of the GDR at least we had the Stasi documents that pretty much listed the athletes who were doping. And just cause other athletes ran similar times as the druggies doesn't mean they are tainted. the men's 100wr is 9.72. Ben Johnson's time was 9.79. It's possible to run fast without drugs.
Not at all. Steroids don't turn back-of-the-pack nobodies into superstars. Steroids, in the already-world class athlete, catapults them into that stratospshere. That being said, it's very possible for a pretty-average, by world-class standards, athlete to take drugs and improve, but get beat by an excellent world class sportsman.
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No, I'm saying even without drugs marita and marlies would have been pretty high on the year end and probably world lists. Drugs helped them. but they would have been great or pretty darn good without 'em. As far as Devers is concerned, there's been no proof that she's done anything illegal. Since high school she's been an amazing athlete.
Did She also run 10.80 at 100m when she was at high school? You can be her fan but Devers was drugged up to her eyeballs. Her muscles, her front line hair starting to grow very back...evident signs of high levels of testosterone and most of all, running under 11.00 seconds at 100m wich is not natural for a woman.
Damn, so everyone who has ever run under 11 is drugged? You clearly don't understand or believe in the capabilities of the human body. Sub-4 mile, 29 foot-plus long jump, or a 9.7 in the 100 were all thought to be impossible. Devers, quite honestly, has always had thinning hair. Yes, even in high school. And her muscularity has always been apart of her physique. Some women are just more prone to muscularity. "Not natural for a woman" LOL. You're a mess!
You must be some kind of retard. Look at Evelyn Ashfords WR run of 10.76. She does not fit your description at all. She looks like she just got off the bus from middle school in time to make the race.
Sorry Gail is linked to Bob Keerse, Jackie, Flo, Pam, Val etc... he share info with Charlie Francis, He was her coach, she withdrew unexplicably from the world championship hurdles race when they found out about new testing for drugs. Many have mention Gail's fight with graves, but many other athletes used other ailments as excuse for their drug taking, and USTA have been covering for dirty athletes for years, she is suspect to say the least.
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Which world championships did she withdraw from? She was 2nd in 91. She won in 93. Won in 95. Ran the 100 in 97. Won in 01. You've mentioned her issues with Grave's disease as a mere possibility for a cover for drug use. But you've provided no proof. JJK nor FloJo have ever been found to be positive. You can't come to the argument with mere suppositions and suspicions. Too many of those running around here.
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Just coming upon this thread: I'd just like to congratulate you on being one of the most idiotic debaters ever to grace youtube. You assert, among other things, that anyone who runs faster than a cheater must be a cheater, that no one runs naturally fast and that athletes must prove a negative (impossible, btw, in logical discourse), that they aren't cheating.
Would you like a cookie with your illogical cynicism?
Perec was a truly great athlete, and holds the real 400 WR, 48.25: Those germans can fuck off. That race with Freeman was an amazing race between two great champions. Who are the great athletes these days?
Yes I totally agree with you. Perec is the world record holder cause of those drugged to death east germans of the 1980s. The athletic corporation need to review these false records and scrap them!
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this but do know what what? The quality wasn't quite shit enough.
LeroyRifkin 2 months ago
What pixel is Marie Jose Perec?
alexpremanand2 6 months ago 15
some onehas the olympic barcelona 92 400 meters female video?
TheBaptisia 10 months ago
ouais Marie-Jo! t'es la meilleure!
snappycruise 1 year ago
bad video quality! does anyone have a better one?
diegoribasx 1 year ago
I don't think that she was a cheater, just an exceptionnal athlete.
MoiEtMaLapine 1 year ago 3
Wonderful perec !
valeriealmamarie 1 year ago
perec is so tall...but she didnt seem elegant when running....i particularly love Krabbe...so gorgeously beautiful when she's running..so elegant.
bzach71 1 year ago
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jokerwildest you'r a stupid ignorant
fabbb59 2 years ago
Another cheater... that almost died in hospital after a training session.. I guess whoever was adivsing her on her drug taking, really didn't know as much as they should have.
jokerwildest 2 years ago 6
Well said gorhman in putting cheetah69 FIRMLY in his place! All he does is come on here & diss East German women athletes with not a hint of balance regarding the American athletes that were drugged up to their eyeballs as well! Yeah he will go on about the Stasi files but they were never proven in a court of law and were regarded as forged as a vendetta against certain athletes at the time.
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
Perec was from France, not the U.S.
beckerbombs 2 years ago 5
this video sucks..can make someone blind remove it pliz
USPMONTANA 3 years ago
All cheaters should be banned for life and stripped of all titles. Its a disgrace. The innocent people get caught up with the cheaters.
rikkiboy123 3 years ago
Koch ran below 49.00 in 1978 too: 48.94 in Prague. Sorry for the mistake. This makes my argument even stronger.
jjfcal4760 3 years ago
gohrman is right. Perec ran close to Koch's times: 48.25 (perec) versus Koch's 47.60, 48.16, 48.16, 48.22 and 48.26, and many other more times below 49.00. The difference is that Koch was much more consistent than perec below 49.00, and Koch ran below 49.00 in 1979, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1985 and 1986. Perec ran below 49.00 only twice: 48.83 and 48.25. All this makes me think that the most suspicoius of being doped is Perec. Koch's career was both consistent and long.
jjfcal4760 3 years ago 2
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Perec n'est pas francaise
1990714 3 years ago
Et ta connerie elle est d'ou?Bien sûr qu'elle est française.
Resota 3 years ago
elle est de guadeloupe et elle n 'a pas de sang francais,t'as compris?
1990714 3 years ago
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elle est de guadeloupe et elle n 'a pas de sang francais,t'as compris?
1990714 3 years ago
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elle est de guadeloupe et elle n 'a pas de sang francais,t'as compris?
1990714 3 years ago
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Je sais que tu ne peut pas me repondre car tu sais qu'elle n'pas de sang francais et elle n'est pas francaise.C'est evident.Perec est sallaud
1990714 3 years ago
Ca veut dire quoi "sang Français", ducon ? Gaulois ? Romain ? Regarde un peu l'histoire de France et tu comprendras que nous sommes TOUS issu d'horizons différents et que "sang français" ca ne veut rien dire. Sais-tu aussi qu'un noir et un blanc peuvent avoir plus de gènes en commun que 2 blancs ou 2 noirs ? ...Non tu ne le sais pas, d'ailleurs sais-tu ce qu'est un gène ?
Aller va a l'école est reviens que tu seras instruit...
charlotman 3 years ago
ella es francesa idiota, cuando se conquista medio mundo y se obliga a las personas a aceptar a la metropoli como soberana es evidente que aquellas personas son francesas para lo bueno y para lo malo, me gustaria saber cual es tu sangre
xxxocolate 3 years ago
Bon je croyais avoir juste à faire à un abruti,mais en plus tu es inculte,la Guadeloupe fait partie de la France gogol,et tu pourras écrire tes conneries 10000 fois,ce seront toujours des conneries.En plus d'être con tu serais pas un peu raciste par hasard?Et moi j'ai pas besoin d'écrire plusieurs fois la même chose...et je pense que la Guadeloupe te dit merde aussi.
Resota 3 years ago
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repond moi a cette question,est-ce que elle a de sang francais?
1990714 3 years ago
sort de chez toi mon gars ! la guadeloupe était une colonie francaise et elle fait partie de la france depuis assez longtemps pour que marie josé perec ait du sang francais ! de +, si t raciste va t'exprimer aileurs !
benjou83 3 years ago
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repond moi a cette question,est-ce que elle a de sang francais?
1990714 3 years ago
et je te ferais remarqué par aileurs qu'il n'y a pas besoin d'avoir du sang francais pour etre un francais !!
benjou83 3 years ago
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repond moi a cette question,est-ce que elle a de sang francais?
1990714 3 years ago
Perec n'est pas francaise
1990714 3 years ago
Quelles etait belle la gazele dans la nuit de Barceleonne et dans la chaleur d Atlanta !
nilivier 3 years ago
des années apres le frisson reste le meme
merci marie jo! la plus grande sportive française du 20e siecle
fabbb59 4 years ago
Perec was clean. She was perfection.
sadako1338 4 years ago
Wonder how Valerie Brisco-Hookes and Chandra Cheesborough could set those exceptionally fast times in one year (LA Olympics in 84)then disappear altogether suddenly.
They must be juiced.
Kathryn Smallwood was OK. She gradually built up to those fast times and remained there for a while.
PKCW22 4 years ago
Anyone got the L.A. Olympics 400m final duel between Valerie Brisco-Hookes and Kathryn Smallwood (U.K.)?
PKCW22 4 years ago
And Chandra Cheeseborough in between :)
zim83 4 years ago
She was trained for John smith acused of using drugs with their atheletes for CHarlie Francis. Perec was also trained for Wolgang Meier husband and trainer of Marita Koch however nobody doubt of her times even thought her times are at the same leval than deals made by Koch, Kratochvilova or Bryzgina wich are clearly under the shadow of doping. Is she clean really?
gorhman 4 years ago
hey man she started training in John smith's group only from 1995!! still she ran 48.83 in barcelona 1992 so there's no doubt to me, she was great!!!!!!!
PePinmySteP 4 years ago
Perec ran close to Koch's times because the Atlanta track didnt meet IAAF standards for "compliance". The track was too hard and therefore assisted sprinters too much. Thats why the sprints were so fast in those games. She was clean!
jimbojimjimbo 4 years ago
Perec ran close to Koch´s times because she was a cheater also. Perec was trained by Wolfgan Meier, Koch´s husband. The fact is all of you think the only cheaters were athletes from the East countries however there are big cheaters also in the west like Florence Griffith, Marion Jones, Jackie Joyner, Gail Devers, Perec and Freeman.
gorhman 3 years ago 2
gorhman, are you simply relying on suspicion to assert that Gail Devers was on drugs? Is it because she was coached by Bobby Kersee?
CHEETAH69 3 years ago
Of course not... kersee´s troop athletes were extremely talented and they didnt need to be on drugs, it was natural for Devers running 10.80 at 100m as natural as Jackie Joyners hair starting to grow at the middle of her head...
gorhman 3 years ago
Oh ok no proof. Just "scientific" speculation. Carry on...
CHEETAH69 3 years ago
And wich are your scientific arguments to assert she was not on drugs? There are only 2 plublicly positives on steroids in GDR athletes history (Marlies Görh and Illona Slupianek) however all of us have no doubts they all were on drugs. After the collapse of the wall of Berlin it was proven in Stasi documents that GDR government had a secret doping programn for its athletes. Kersees athelets ran the same times than Görh, Dreschler and Krabbe but they were clean...Why?
gorhman 3 years ago
First off, how does one "prove" that they didn't cheat? What, you want play-by-play accounts of their training and diet? And when it came to the athletes of the GDR at least we had the Stasi documents that pretty much listed the athletes who were doping. And just cause other athletes ran similar times as the druggies doesn't mean they are tainted. the men's 100wr is 9.72. Ben Johnson's time was 9.79. It's possible to run fast without drugs.
CHEETAH69 3 years ago
Run fast without drugs?...CARRY ON....
gorhman 3 years ago
So NO ONE has naturally run fast?
CHEETAH69 3 years ago
Obviously not. But if you run faster than a cheater youre a cheater too.
gorhman 3 years ago
Not at all. Steroids don't turn back-of-the-pack nobodies into superstars. Steroids, in the already-world class athlete, catapults them into that stratospshere. That being said, it's very possible for a pretty-average, by world-class standards, athlete to take drugs and improve, but get beat by an excellent world class sportsman.
CHEETAH69 3 years ago
Do you mean Marita Koch or Marlies Göhr were average athletes and Gail Devers a class sportswoman?
gorhman 3 years ago
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No, I'm saying even without drugs marita and marlies would have been pretty high on the year end and probably world lists. Drugs helped them. but they would have been great or pretty darn good without 'em. As far as Devers is concerned, there's been no proof that she's done anything illegal. Since high school she's been an amazing athlete.
CHEETAH69 3 years ago
Did She also run 10.80 at 100m when she was at high school? You can be her fan but Devers was drugged up to her eyeballs. Her muscles, her front line hair starting to grow very back...evident signs of high levels of testosterone and most of all, running under 11.00 seconds at 100m wich is not natural for a woman.
gorhman 3 years ago
Damn, so everyone who has ever run under 11 is drugged? You clearly don't understand or believe in the capabilities of the human body. Sub-4 mile, 29 foot-plus long jump, or a 9.7 in the 100 were all thought to be impossible. Devers, quite honestly, has always had thinning hair. Yes, even in high school. And her muscularity has always been apart of her physique. Some women are just more prone to muscularity. "Not natural for a woman" LOL. You're a mess!
CHEETAH69 3 years ago 2
You must be some kind of retard. Look at Evelyn Ashfords WR run of 10.76. She does not fit your description at all. She looks like she just got off the bus from middle school in time to make the race.
ranhill 2 years ago 2
Sorry Gail is linked to Bob Keerse, Jackie, Flo, Pam, Val etc... he share info with Charlie Francis, He was her coach, she withdrew unexplicably from the world championship hurdles race when they found out about new testing for drugs. Many have mention Gail's fight with graves, but many other athletes used other ailments as excuse for their drug taking, and USTA have been covering for dirty athletes for years, she is suspect to say the least.
shottut 1 year ago 9
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Which world championships did she withdraw from? She was 2nd in 91. She won in 93. Won in 95. Ran the 100 in 97. Won in 01. You've mentioned her issues with Grave's disease as a mere possibility for a cover for drug use. But you've provided no proof. JJK nor FloJo have ever been found to be positive. You can't come to the argument with mere suppositions and suspicions. Too many of those running around here.
CHEETAH69 1 year ago
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Just coming upon this thread: I'd just like to congratulate you on being one of the most idiotic debaters ever to grace youtube. You assert, among other things, that anyone who runs faster than a cheater must be a cheater, that no one runs naturally fast and that athletes must prove a negative (impossible, btw, in logical discourse), that they aren't cheating.
Would you like a cookie with your illogical cynicism?
senjahcore 2 years ago
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Well, some of what you write here is true: Many athletes have cheated that are not known for having done so. true.
Perec's highest accomplishments can't be linked to her East german coach: She began working with him in 2000, long after her glory years.
Freeman admitted to long term use of a wide variety of supplements and an inhalant but nothing on the banned list.
You would be sued for libel if you were to make such accusations in a formal arena
senjahcore 2 years ago
marie jose perec is french
danieloskey 4 years ago
freeman almost caught her at 350m but died a little at the end
ozwunder69 4 years ago
Perec was a truly great athlete, and holds the real 400 WR, 48.25: Those germans can fuck off. That race with Freeman was an amazing race between two great champions. Who are the great athletes these days?
fmk3141 4 years ago
Yes I totally agree with you. Perec is the world record holder cause of those drugged to death east germans of the 1980s. The athletic corporation need to review these false records and scrap them!
Aarontlondon 4 years ago
merie jose perec is
%$&#@&7%#@
jepsst 4 years ago
Mari Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooo on t'aiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuh
The best athlet of the world
littlebob14 4 years ago
marie jose perec @%&#$#@ merlene ottey is the best in the 200 meters
jepsst 4 years ago
i miss jose she really kicked ass in atlanta 1996 olympics
3748359 4 years ago
WHATS WAS THEN TIME FOR THE FIRST RACE?
rockdat 4 years ago
her time was 48"83
PePinmySteP 4 years ago
ooo thats good and fast!! did u like cathy freeman?
afrOmig 4 years ago
48"83 for the race in barcelona and 48"25 in atlanta.I liked freeman only when she was behind her lol!
PePinmySteP 4 years ago
well in fact she retired because her body couldn't follow her mind anymore she always got injured so she said stop in 2004.Though she was the best!!!
PePinmySteP 4 years ago
She's has retired... because she was a bit too old to compete.
jamesby 4 years ago
What ever happend to Marie Jose Perec? Has she retired, was it because of injury?
samabercrombie 4 years ago