@raleighman3000 (con'd) If you want the truth, don't base your outlook on one book. Read something by an anthropologist, archaeologist, or a historian who studies this for a living, not a geographer that's guessing based upon landscape. But don't worry, there are many documentaries like this one to help.
@raleighman3000 Ah, but by saying that you'd have to completely overlook the kingdoms and civilizations that predate the colonial powers. The real reason whites grew to imperial powers was due to nothing more than advanced weaponry and the economies they built upon the back of slave labor and the people whose land and natural resources they stole. Western society itself did not originate in Europe.
Lol I feel sorry for white people. How can you watch a History Channel clip and still learn absolutely nothing? That level of stupidity must come from your Neanderthal ancestors
Also I wanted to see a link for "entirely black army" & general that heroically conquered the Spanish. You probably DO believe that Hannibal was Black dont you. Along with Jesus, Spartacus, the 1st Greeks, the Egyptians (of course the entirely 100% negroid character of the Egyptians is essentially lore in African culture such is their dellusion) etc. Afrocentrics, why do I even indulge them in debate *sigh*.
@gunninlinguist Here's the thing -Ancient Egypt was an African civilization not a mediterranean, not middleeastern, or European- it was AFRICAN -the rest you can figure out on your own. Don't be a hater.
@vibrantkitty1 look at a map. Egypt was on the Mediterranean, they sailed the Mediterranean. they were a Mediterranean culture. dont get caught up in modern maps. they werent the only brown skin Mediterranean culture. so was Crete. yes Egypt is in Africa, making them African, there is only a debate because we are using modern maps.
@amphotep I've looked at the maps booboo, Egypt was not and still is not part of the mediterranean. Their culture has no similarities with the Mediterranean. Lets exlpore: The nile played a very important role in Ancient Egypt history and last time I checked, the nile does not flow from the mediterranean downwards. But that weird little river flows upwards from Tanzania or Uganda through Egypt into the Med sea. Crucial part of Egyptian history yet the river does not begin in the Med.
There are many depictions of Moors in and around Spain. Blacks only make the minority in these depictions. Most Moors are in fact displayed as lightskinned (Arabs). Also the term black back then from a European point of view didnt mean what it does today, in describing Moors it fits in with a description of a swarthy Norht African people. Which is what they were...
The renaissance centred in Italy in 14th century. The Byzantines were the main preservers of Greek & Roman culture as they were its successors. The Moors were in any event a primarily Arabic people. Look/read any depictions/accounts. Blacks are a minority. The nucleus of the Moorish empire was in NW Africa so they would have been-as NW Africans are now-a swarthy Arabic people. And Arabics weren't black btw just to inform you.
There are many depictions of Moors in and around Spain. Blacks only make the minority in these depictions. Most Moors are in fact displayed as lightskinned (Arabs). Also the term black back then from a European point of view didnt mean what it does today, in describing Moors it fits in with a description of a swarthy Norht African people. Which is what they were...
The renaissance occured several centuries later and originated in Italy. It had nothing to do with the Moors. Also it was the Byzantines who preserved the works of the ancient Romans & Greeks.
@infox1000 And how would those three chapters have changed the general tone of the book? For me, I thought the book had just the right flow and tone. Angry, underclass separatist militant, followed by the break with NOI, then moving toward a reconciliation of his separatist views--bridging between races and a more international perspective. I think Malcolm was onto something. Had he lived, he might've been the most effective black leader yet. But Booker T. was the wisest IMHO.
@infox1000 I read "Roots" at least three times all the way through. I read X's autobiography at least five times. I loved Alex Haley. Even though he might've fudged some facts, I still appreciate him. But why do you say he butchered Malcolm's autobio? I thought he did a splendid job.
@infox1000 I'm not "whining" about Afrocentrism. Asians don't "whine," that's not our style. Instead, I'm putting Afrocentrism in its place. And that place is on the shelf next to Von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods," Alien Invasions, and the Lost City of Atlantis. Oh yes, and Haley's "Roots"--because I found out Haley made up a lot of stuff he initially said was true. When confronted, his answer was: "I just wanted to give my people a myth they could live by." THAT'S Afrocentrism.
@infox1000 OK, See, the problem is, Afrocentrism comes off as so fantastical, so flagrantly hijacking of other peoples' accomplishments, that Afrocentrism just seems like an extension of black crime. If there is truth to some of the claims, it gets washed way by the offensiveness and phoniness of the whole. It exactly mirrors black culture. While there is much that is brilliant and good about blacks, the catastrophic cultural problems tend to drown everything else out. And that's NOT racism.
@infox1000 Africans had empires, but how is "great" defined? I guess that' s very subjective. But you cannot imagine those black empires as being like Rome, Greece, Britain, France, Spain, etc. Or Imperial China. Blacks were nowhere near as civilizationally advanced as those. Blacks didn't have science, philosophy, or the urge for discovery and invention. And about barbaric primitivism--most of Europe and Japan were the same way until relatively recently. So you're in good company.
@infox1000 Black Africans had no jails, because they would just stone and stomp offenders to death in a mob frenzy, as they still do today. I'm telling you, that riot thing is deep in the black psyche! It's a fallacy to portray preliterate tribal cultures as angelic. It was the big thing up until recently. Now scholars aren't as quick to excuse human sacrifice, rape, slavery, genital mutilation, infanticide--all of which Africa had. Also, leaving their sick and elderly out for the hyenas.
@infox1000 Blacks should regard non-black opinions like good old Benjamin Franklin put it: "Your praise and dispraise is to me alike. One doth not stroke me, nor the other strike." BUT--do listen closely to criticisms of black culture. They are vital. You might not like it, but it always contains truth. And realize that blacks have too much of a gripe against the world. They attribute all their problems to the actions of others. That's a sure sign of weakness. That must be overcome.
@infox1000 But my point is not to condemn Africa or black primitivism. I'm enough of a cultural relativist to say, let people be who they are. Besides, whites aren't withholding nor exaggerating Asian civilization. They definitely romanticized it at different periods--Marco Polo's Kublai Khan in the 13th century, etc. But Asians don't care one way or another. We KNOW who we are. We have a good self-esteem about our history, but we don't ride on it. We care more about today and tomorrow.
@infox1000 That's because European empires were many times more powerful than any black African empire. The European empires were much more advanced, pervasive, influential. Whatever black empires there might've been were obviously more provincial, less advanced, less ambitious and visionary. And easily vanquished by non-black forces. AND the vast majority of black Africa, then as now, was starkly primitive and barbaric. If you don't believe me, visit Africa. You'll understand.
@infox1000 Yeah, Shaka was great. I traveled through Southern Africa. Met many Zulus, Xhosa and San. But back to the topic: you've gotta recognize that if you're bombarded with 99% images and direct experience of stark, utter primitivism and barbaric practices, then that 1% of impressive achievement will be met with skepticism. That's the scientific mind at work, that's how whites approached the world. There just wasn't enough black civilizational achievement to suppress in any huge way.
@infox1000 European, British and American (Stanley)! explorers didn't doubt the ruins of Timbuktu, etc. were built by blacks because they had an agenda against blacks. They doubted it because all around them was stark, static, neolithic primitivism of black culture--and nothing else. Those whites lived, worked, fought and died with Africans for years. They knew blacks very well, their present capabilities. So if they were incorrect, it wasn't because they wanted to "hide" black history.
@infox1000 As soon as any African "historian" claims that black African history has been "suppressed," you know you've got a charlatan on your hands. As soon as you hear talk about any Olmec-African connection, or any black involvement in ancient China. Or any claim that ancient Egypt was "black." Those are sure signs that you're not dealing with real history, you're dealing with a political agenda. Because those claims do not command rational assent from true scholars. They are fantasy.
@infox1000 "Black history," as told by Afrocentrics, is really a grand fiction. A fabulous re-construction based on wishful thinking. As long as blacks know that it's really a vision of "what could have been," had blacks been up to it. But more importantly, Afrocentrism can spur modern blacks into proactive planning and implementation today--something their ancestors rarely bothered to do. But that's not an indictment. Civilization-building wasn't a requirement back then. But it is now.
@infox1000 Well, that's why I implore blacks to create a new Black Code of Honor, or a "Marshall Plan" for the African Race. So that they can enter the fray armed with a vision for themselves, a set of values, an action plan. But as yet, all they produce is denial, rebellion, and Afrocentric myths of ancient grandeur. And the best place to start this "Black Reformation" is in America. Blacks here have the most resources, access to knowledge, and importantly--white and Asian support.
@infox1000 "Indigenous North Africans are genetically quite distinct from sub-Saharan Africans (1), and this difference is reflected in their lighter skin and European/Middle Eastern physical features." Science 6 April 2007: Vol. 316. no. 5821, pp. 50 - 53
@infox1000 EVERYBODY will be seen as "exploiting blacks," if blacks sit and do nothing. Today, Asians own the businesses in the black neighborhoods. Remember the Million Man March? It was sad, because you had all these black men with the best of intentions. When they get to DC, what do they see? The streets lined with Koreans and Vietnamese, selling "Million Man March" souvenirs, food and drinks! Too tragic to be funny--in a nutshell, that's all blacks needed to see. THAT was the lesson.
@infox1000 So what if Jews were involved with the slave trade? So were black Africans! Without the complicity of black Africans, Arabs and Europeans could never have shipped millions of blacks to the New World, Europe and the Middle East. If the blacks put up uniform resistance, the cost-to-benefit for Arabs and whites to capture all those blacks--in hot, disease-ridden Africa--would've been totally unfeasible. And Jews exploited black neighborhoods? You mean like Asians do today?
@infox1000 But even if he's quoting European sources, obviously he's not being a discerning scholar in promoting what is ridiculous on its face. Have you seen the Olmec sculptures? Do you know who they MOST resemble? POLYNESIANS! I live in Hawaii, I'm surrounded by them every day. And ancient Polynesians were master open-ocean navigators--phenomenal. They did it without writing or metal. And they recreated their voyage in 1976 to prove it. West African reed boats across the Atlantic?
@infox1000 Everyone can deduce that blacks hate Jews because Jews are white, yet they suffered more persecution than blacks during their history. Yet they are highly successful, whereas blacks are not. Jews are a major obstacle to blacks' claim to being the most persecuted group, and therefore the most entitled. And Jews make it clear to the world that even a highly persecuted group can prevail. The obvious question becomes, Then why can't blacks? Thus blacks hate Jews with a passion
@infox1000 Clarke's position on Jews takes away from anything he says, because it reveals his credibility. Jews have been the most philanthropic group toward blacks over the last 100 years. They basically funded the Civil Rights movement, and have donated millions toward black scholarships and uplift programs. You never hear a Jew say a bad word about blacks. Indeed, they're among the quickest to defend them. They basically created the modern liberal structure that supports blacks.
@infox1000 Ivan gets unfairly blasted by Eurocentric scholars? You mean, for claiming that the ancient Olmecs were West African blacks? Or that black Africans worked out the speed of light 300 years before the birth of Christ? Or that black Africans invented vaccines? Or that West Africans developed original philosophical systems of thought "as complex as Heidegger or Kierkegaard"? When a 1997 article in Current Anthropology blasted his works and asked for a rebuttal--he declined.
@infox1000 John Henrik Clarke also accused Jews of exploiting blacks and stealing their history. As for Tariq Ibn Ziyad, all official descriptions and portraits of him in Spain, Algeria and elsewhere show a Caucasoid-looking African Berber, which is what he was. Undoubtedly there were ink-black Moors, but he wasn't one of them. However, modern blacks want so desperately for him to be Negroid, that their claims actually cause offense to modern North African Berbers, who know otherwise.
@infox1000 Tariq ibn Ziyad was most definitely NOT Negroid. He might've had blacks in his campaign, but he was a white North African. If you disagree, please cite sources that say otherwise. And if it's Van Sertima--forget it. Credible scholars have long written him off as a fake--total "rubbish." Even in the face of overwhelming scholarly evidence, Van Sertima wouldn't back down. It's the Afrocentric way, I guess--cling to what you WANT to believe, rather than what actually happened.
@infox1000 But it's important to understand that the Moors were not generally Negroid. There were Moors who were indeed black African, but the Moorish leaders and scholars were mainly North African Berbers, Andalusians, etc. Tariq ibn Ziyad was an 8th cent. Berber general who defeated the Visigoths. Ibn Bajjah, the inventor of classical mechanics, was Andalusian. And the famous Berber travel writer, Ibn Battuta, wrote extensively on the black Africans he encountered. Wiki "Notable Moors."
I have already conceded that there were black mercenaries-as there are in North African regimes now-but to claim Moors as 100% black is just....mindless. Ancient depictions show them as fair skinned caucasoid (before you get all excited I don't mean White), like the Berbers and Arabs. Blacks would only have been a fringe element in Moorish North Africa, as they are in modern North Africa.
I was touched by the scholar who said that the manuscripts show that Africans have a written history, not just oral tradition (1:32). I can relate to his pride. But the proper perspective is that Arab Muslims taught black sub-Saharan Africans writing, and only fairly recently (16th cent). And most of the manuscript contents related to Muslim, Greek, Euro and other cultures' intellectual achievements. But that's perfectly OK. The Japanese did the same copying Chinese writing and philosophy.
Caucasoids have burned our ancient library's and destroyed almost all written documentation of our History. It is our duty as black people to seek,find, and spread the true history of our people to the world. If it wasn't for Ancient Africans creating science,mathematics, astronomy, etc... Where would this world be today? It's quite shameful that the history books in schools acknowledge all ethnicities and their accomplishments, but totally ignores Africans as if our History begins at slavery.
Who built the city of Timbuktu is Mansa Musa one of the kings of Mali Empire and not the Arabs . It is also certain that there is a link between Timbuktu and Dogon people and their knowledge of advanced astronomical
@Ramrock121 Some say you will always hurt the ones you love. I say you must hate the ones you hurt. If you care and like someone you can not hurt them. YES? So to justify slavery and war an anti-black movement was invented. Blacks are inferior. Blacks are stupid and child like. Blacks are lazy. On and on to justify harsh cruelty and slavery. One more thing. Whites Jews and Arabs all were slaves for long periods of time. On becoming free they wanted to enslave somebody else. BLACKS !
This is so biassed a white mans history of Africa am an African and we don't have a world slave in my language. pows of war in my culture were treated with respect and become part of the family after we gave them names to this day we still know the names they were given land as well. we dint beat them and chine them and spit them with hoses.
@Mirumeify, what kind of question is that? We know that Africa's destruction began with Caucasian and Khazar(Jewish) arrival. Your question is similar to asking: "In what day, month and year" the Moors (Black Africans) civilized Europeans before the European Renaissance? See what we mean? The destruction of Black African environments (specifically West African likely began around ~1495 after the Portuguese arrived to West Africa and were in great shock by the level of supreme sophistication.
Even though Black Africans were totally unfamiliar with the many European ethnicities and erroneously viewed all belonging to one group, careful study of history will simply reveal that it was the Khazar(so-called Jewish) element of these arriving Europeans who were the most notoriously destructive, yet were incapable of acting alone. These people, Khazars(so-called Jews), seemingly sported a mixure of cowardness and unmatched appetite for destruction fueled by toxic forms of envy and jealously.
Just out of interest when did you Afrocentrists come to think of the Moors as "Black"? I see the attraction-an African based people who invaded and dominated a part of Europe. Other than a fictional historical account in a the movie Ture Romance, tI see no pointers for them being anything other than North African Caucasoid. At best you could describe them as multiracial, Arab and White, perhaps with some Black and coloured mercenaries.
@gunninlinguist The Moors were not a distinct race of people. As a whole, they were swarthy whites, with a few jet-blackers thrown in. Because it's so unusual that blacks were even a small part of a conquering force (and not as slaves or laborers), Afrocentrists jump on it and say--aha, the Moors were ALL BLACK." Truth is, they were mostly Berbers, Arabs, Iberians, only a few blacks. This is why today's Spanish, Portuguese and some French are swarthy--but they don't look like Sammy Sosa.
Yes its the same with the* groan* Black Egyptians. There it was even worse because they were essentially slaves & hated enemies for most of its history (excluding the watered down imitations in the Nubian south when the real Egypt was long since past its prime). No doubt given time & opportunity they would come to claim the US of A as being simply "Black." It would be about the braindead level of current Afrocentrism...
If you want to embellish your history further how about this? Ever hear of the Carthaginians? They were an ancient, (technically White but lets not get lost in details) African culture who were brutally wiped by the Romans after a long and bitter War for dominance in the Mediterranean. Why not claim *them* as Black African? An ancient African culture that was violently destroyed by Europeans? Perfect!
-Just some thoughts from your Friendly Neighbourhood White Devil
Well now that's interesting considering that many early writers in their description of the Moors as brown to dark skin with "negro" features. Plus after the Moors civilized Spain, they were expelled, persecuted or forced to because the spanards couldn't digest the fact that these darkskin peoples were occupying their land with a position of power.
I wouldn't describe an invading Islamic army as a civilising force. The Moors were actually notoriously brutal to their enemies (probably why you want to be them so badly). As for negro features...what writers? Burden of proof is on you. As for couldn't digest dark skinned occupying blah blah blah no they didnt like being occupied. Correct. So they fought back and took what was rightfully theirs. Problem?
Wrong again. The Moors not only civilized spain but under their rule the roman catholics and jews were able to live in peace. Look it up. Burden of proof? you're the one who is trying to disprove. You must have never seen any of the early art work, paintings of the description of the Moors. Here's a book for you "The Golden Age of The Moors" by Ivan Van Sertima (who is a well researched scholar). I doubt your racist ass will even bother.
"the Moors (Black Africans) civilized Europeans before the European Renaissance"
This ludicrous quote doesn't say much for your grasp of history, logic reasoning, or reality. The Renaissance was a recovery from the Dark ages spurred by the spread of Christianity, literacy, and general prosperity . It was a *rediscovering* of ancient Greek and Roman culture, so what would the forceful invasion by an alien culture, such as the islamic Moors have to do with this?
@Mirumeify AIDS was created by pharmaceutical companies and spread first to Africans and the communities they live in. Their purpose for creating the disease is simple. For every person that has AIDS, they are dependent on the drugs these pharmaceutical companies make hence spending money on the drugs for the rest of their lives. Being that the Africans are looked down upon, these companies had no problem spreading the disease and of course blamed it on a third world country.
@Mirumeify they became poor after european colonization, as is done to every country the european has came into and wiped out the people and it's culture, plus the aids virus was given to the african under the lie of SHOTS that would help with sickness , no aids was over there (they want the country's rich resources ) also it was injected into the GAY WHITE MALE community in the states to get rid of them. (two men or two women cannot create a child to help the diminishing white race.
@Mirumeify The groundwork of modern African poverty and self-subjugation can be seen in European imperialism and colonialism. Essentially, West Africa was intellectually and technologically advanced, but Europe was able to take better advantage of their own knowledge to conquer the territories they did.
Look at how they tried to blast the pyramids and statues, The attempted to move the Obelisks and mimic the landscaping in architecture.They even wrote history books to only begin 4 thousand years after the greatest civilization on earth.(it hurts when they hear that - Rome dont like that).They wont even properly educate the public on any acheivmts of greatness outside of modern athletes and entertainers. Its so sad because its blatant. Its like saying the state of Israel is where all Jews r born
After studying my own history and comparing what I know to be true, this is what "the devil" "d'evil" "(lived spelled backwards) wants blacks to know about their history. This is well after the Nile culture that shaped us from the beginning. Mansa Musa and the West Africa nation is where corruption was vast enough to sell off slaves... Hence the beginning of the slave trade... THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE and FOCUS on this as if we are learning who we are, but this is NOT our people. Go back further.
@outthetube It does do a service to many of my people who still, at this point, don't know this information. I had the luxury to go to college to sit down in my first African history class. My homies on the block have not even a general idea of this part of their ancestoral background. And its been due to the popular influences that has grown like a vine on a demolished building. Its Poetic Justice how we are still alive.
Apart from colonialisation and slavery, there is no doubt that Christianity and the hideous death cult of islam have also really f**ked Africa up.
These 2 religions are an abomination on the world but it is in Africa where they both will eventually die.
When Africa rises again and shows its true spirituality, culture and power, the whole continent will flourish and will eventually give birth to a new democracy that will spread across the whole world.
In addition, not one single citizen of the Ancient Malian Empire was ever sent to America as a slave. The empire fell in 1540, and most of the Mande' and other citizens migrated to the south. Several decades later, their ancestors were the people transported to America as slaves beginning around 1619 (Not the original citizens of Mali). Also, they were not forced to worship Islam by Arabs...Sundiata Keita chose to convert to Islam, in order to trade in North Africa.
@pablo42153 -Timbuktu was a Tuareg-Berber seasonal encampment that was annexed by Mansa Musa (a Mande' King) and made part of the Ancient Malian Empire. Immediately following his annexation of Timbuktu, Mansa Musa ordered the building of a palace, universities, and mosques, and sent hundreds, if not thousands of scholars to teach and live there. Arabs had nothing to do with it. You won't find a SINGLE historic reference to any Arabs ever conquering, or controlling Ancient Mali.
it may be the authors consideration on Ibn Battuta's main work... I've read that book long time ago. but that won't change the fact: the slaves trade was extremely profitable and was practiced on a huge scale in Africa. well, the slavery existed even in Europe! the vikings used to raid russian and ukrainian settlements and to sell the captives to the jew slave traders who traded them for huge profits! even here; in Europe, the slaves trade was more profitable than gold... not only in Africa.
the only book I've read is "Ibn Battuta in Black Africa" by Said Hamdun & Noel King. well... the quote is from my memory and I won't waste my time reading the book again to provide you with the exact page and paragraph. but you can read that book for yourself...
@bogdancomm I just read the text of "Ibn Battuta's book of travels" in it's entirety, on the "fordham . edu" website, and a copy that I already had on my hard drive. The quote that you indicated about slaves was not in it. Maybe that statement was the author paraphrasing Ibn Battuta. There were references to various people in Mali having "slave girls", but Ibn Battuta also indicated that he purchased a "Greek" slave girl in North Africa. So, I believe your original statement is incorrect.
It's not me saying the slaves were the main commodity of the Malian Empire... it's Ibn Battuta. In 1352 he payed a visit to the king of Mali; Mansa Suleyman... and, among the others, he described the slave trade of the region. Ibn Battuta reffered to the slave trade as: "[...] even more profitable than gold [...]". Well, even the european (in fact they were jews!) slave traders who kept exact records of their horrible trade, mention the west sahelian area as the main source of slaves.
@bogdancomm - I have read Ibn Battuta's writings, and I don't recall seeing that. I‘ve read that books in Timbuktu were considered more valuable than gold. I have also read that, in Ancient Mali, salt was worth its weight in gold. But the quote that you provided...I've never seen. If you don't mind, please provide a source.
the Malinese Empire was indeed one of the richest ever... and Mansa Musa an inspirated leader...
but... let's not forget Mali had THE MOST WANTED RESOURCES of that time: salt, gold... and slaves! and the funniest part is that slave trade brought more money than even gold mining! the Malinese Empire grew incredibly rich selling human beings... isn't that funny?
@bogdancomm - The Malian Empire derived the vast majority of its wealth from the taxation of gold nuggets, from people using their trade routes, and the salt trade with North Africa. Why do you think it was slavery? That's completely inaccurate.
@m018264808888 Why do I think it was slavery? Simple: because those who use to buy slaves kept records of their transactions... both in Arabia and in Europe. There are documents recording the number and origin of the slaves bought. Well, the main source of slaves was the Sahelian areas: Ghana, Guinea, Mali, Ivory Coast, Niger, Chad, Sudan etc. It is time to face the truth: some african traders made good money selling their own brothers and sisters into slavery. And they're still in business...
@bogdancomm - Again...I'm asking why you believe slaves were their 'chief' export. The majority of their wealth was derived from the taxation of people who used their trade routes, and the gold & salt trades, not slavery. I didn't indicate that there were no slaves. I indicated that your claim of slaves as their 'chief' export was inaccurate.
Mansa Musa (one of the Kings of Mali) was the person who converted Timbuktu from a simple temporary encampment, to a world-famous University of advanced learning.
These were my ancestors (the Mande people), and despite what many of these racist posters want you to believe, they had many great accomplishments. According to our oral history, all of the rulers of Ancient Mali descended from Lawalo (An Ethiopian, and one of Bilal’s seven sons who settled in Mali). At one point Mali was the largest exporter of gold in the world. In addition, the ancient Arab historian, Al Umari, wrote that Abubakari II, ordered 3,000 boats across the Atlantic before Columbus.
@ani1616 - Yes I am...but Mendemo ange' as well. Bi Mende yia mero? If so...do you know of a good source for me to increase my knowledge of Mende yia? Just curious. Bise!
Ha you guys what is the name of this History channel documentary? Please some one out there what is the tittle of this History Chanel documentary i really want to know. because there are not those many documentary out there on precolonial African civilization's. PLEASE HELP SOME ONE!!! If you could post it below!
Slavery as it was practiced among Africans had nothing to do with what Arabs and Europeans perpetrated on our people. In African societies, a "slave" was part of the family. Nowadays, there are still people in my family who were sold to my ancestors but who do not feel inferior to us, nor do we consider ourselves as superior to them. Actually, people seldom mention their origins since we always look at them as brothers.
That's bullshit about Arabs controlling Timbuktu. Black africans who were Muslim and scholars controlled Timbuktu. The Arabs in Arabia at that time were very black and they prided themselves for being black and Arab. The Ottomans, Syrians, Pershians changed the idea of being black and Arab to something bad but all of Arabia use to be jet black.
pablo42153, you are wrong. Timbuktu was a 100% Black African civilization complete with universities built which existed long before Islam and before Arab nomads wandered into Africa. Though Black African leaders of Timbuktu back then choose Islam, the entire foundation of their society was Black African. Arabs were uncivilized barbarians who were actually civilized by Black Africans.
Arabs actually have no great accomplishments in Africa to show except for enslavement, lying stealing.
Please do not forget Arabs come from our loins!!!!!! Blacks were the first to inhabit the arabian peninsula remember? and Prophet MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings forever be upon!) him GAVE PROPS TO HIS BLACK AFRICAN LINEAGE AND SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH ETHIOPIANS GALORE!
Read 'Golden Age of the Moors' Ivan van Sertima explains what and Arab truly is.
The fact that in western contries they studie african history only under the prism of slavery and colonialism is a shame ! by example I use to have a lecture of " African History " which start in 1800 ! The past is not interesting...
yall suck up to whites if u want but i wouldve rather been a slave of islamic ppl with rights and some dignity rather than be raped and treated like a farm animal by a texan or a british slavemaster
@yungone0 not today where you been? im a full blooded american, and i have not experienced that! some stuff ive experieced but not what your saying, and my ancestors the came over here in slaves ships i just can't imagine what they went through sheer hell i know! but that will yah! revenge when he comes, yah! put us in bondage and if you read the book? you know why its all thier so? its hard to discuss those thingsl go read deuronomey 28; thru1 to 68
im a north african descendant of those slaves and the truth is first of all that mostly it was men taken as slaves to supply the armies of the morrocan kings to form a blackguard, also about slavery it was performed by africans to africans as a spoils of war situation the arabs only took the opportunity but truthfully it was nothing like the slavery of white ppl because in islam even slaves have rights and they must often be freed in many cases as it is written in the quran
i'm black african, and i've come to realise that the arabians are the mosted under reported hypocrites in the slave trade. they seem to have covered the evils of their past with their so called religion. while the whiteman is coming to terms with his, the arabians are trying as much as possible to shift the blames of slavery to the west. there are some black people that can see through your religious veils.
Since I am white, many of you will propably not care to read what I will post here... but still, even as I white person, I will tell you that Africa is the future. Its true form has been twisted by colonialism, so that people there now suffer from warfare etc. But if you take a look at the great men of peace of the 20th century, they all had a relation to Africa - MLK was black, Mandela is black and Ghandi lived in South Africa for a large part of his life. Peace is the true future of Africa.
Why do you think no one cares what white people have to say...I have white friends but the Western education of both whites and blacks is sadly very poor. Had black people learned we had the 3rd oldest university in the world...that our scholars were sought after, and that we built Empires with planned cities of stone, and on top of that the Muslim travelers claimed West Africa was the most safest and just Empire to dwell at..
@MattaSchultz I'm with you up until Ghandi, even though he, just like the rest of India is also apart of the Black family he firmly stood for the caste system and was racist again the black indians and Africans as well. He formed an India army again the Zulu up raising, so anyone who knows history (I'm not jumping on you because you might not know this) do not hold Ghandi as a hero. MLK either didn't know about this or ignored it but Ghandi was not of peace he was for white Indians only.
@MattaSchultz, you aren't entirely correct. Firstly, you are not White. You are Jewish (Khazar) and judging from your name I assume you are Ashkenazi. Jews unmistakably recognize Whites as gentiles and/or Goyim, so why would you start comment off by saying you are "white" when you know you're not? Secondly, Gandhi was from India and was an abject racist towards Black people. If you don't know this you should re-educate yourself. Lastly, why only reference MLK and not Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey?
The reason why Jews(Khazars) only over-promote MLK and not Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, Louis Farrakhan and others, is because MLK was highly funded by Jews (Khazars) and continued to be funded as long as he never used his influential position to expose the level of extensive involvement Jews had in the slave trade. But even then, MLK's intelligence, like those of other Black leaders then and now, was far greater than what the Khazar (Jewish) puppet masters could've imagined.
@outthetube YOU MORON who cares who jews promote. Each people are entitled to view it in context for themselves which is EXACTLY what you are claiming for yourself.
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IT WASN'T JEWS THAT KILLED MALCOM X IT WAS BLACK MUSLIMS
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You are a liar and a rewriter of history that claims events for blacks that weren't that great, or were not black only events.
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and when called on to take responsibility for the action of blacks. . . blacks always blame someone else.
@MattaSchultz Very well said and I totally agree to an extent.The main problem (amongst others) is pride and ego. Also; the quest for World Domination by those of the supposed secret society's is the biggest problem because their plan has been set and carried out regardless of how much we have fought. For every achievement we make, another plan is set forth which will counteract all of our accomplishments. The answer isn't only peace but in unification of those that want peace as well.
@MattaSchultz Ghandi hated the blacks in south africa just to let you know:
Ghandi's description of blacks inmates in a south african jail: “Only a degree removed from the animal.” Also, “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized - the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.”
@MattaSchultz What!!!??? Africa is not the way it is because of Colonialism!!!! When the first Europeans entered Central Africa they found the natives could not even smelt Iron!! It is environmental conditions that has been Africa's demise, since the end of the last ice age about 11,000 years ago Africa has been getting increasingly more arid and today 58% of its land is incapable of growing crops.
Correct. Despite (or maybe because of) enjoying a much longer more stable history than other races, most Africans (Negroes to be callously precise) hadn't invented so much as the bow and arrow or the wheel. And not an interfering evil Whitey in sight to excuse this failure. It would seem that they cling to the achievements of other cultures they were on the periphery of as a figleaf to the shame of their own barren history.
anitaalford, Timbuktu was multicultural just like Ancient Kemet was; But, also, just like Ancient Kemet, Timbuktu wasn't a multiracial society. Aside from insignificant amount of Arabs foreigners who traveled to Timbuktu as sailors and scholars, Timbuktu was overwhelmingly Black African.
@outthetube what amaze me you have people today, have never been to tinbuktu, in thier life but yet they think they know? now that blows my mind the very people that lived thier is not suppose to know huh! do that make since this world is sick? im going to believe the one that came from thier, or thier ancestors told them about this place, wouldn't you thats the most logical thing to think? shalom im not stupd at all i have all my factuality that the lord gave me, shalom;
@Winter412, this is why it so easy to debunk all the racist garbage, present a much proper view that is fully in line with reality and teach them a thing or two.
Arabes are as bad as europeans. Its all about conquering and imposed their culture to people.arabs practise slavery in africa, even more than europeans and for many more years.But today, we the work is done, they only, talk about Islam or arabe culture being a piecefull culture or religion. OF COURSE,AFTER THE JOB DONE !!!
What an hypocrisy?This people build empires,but they were Muslims who went around killing and dealing in African slaves and everything else that God forbade...and u tell me you are proud?!!That's why I don't get religious people, what are you proud of?!
im proud of the fact that there is an empire..which means civilization, wealth and power...as to what they do in this life is between them and allah(god)..
Beautiful! you can mistreat, kill and steal as long as you attach the name of Allah/Islam to it it's all good people can be proud. "as to what they do in this life is between them and allah(god) ", but you are proud? So the only difference between a Muslim and an "infidel" is that they all do the same "sinful" things, but the Muslim is saved for putting the name of Allah in front, whereas the infidel is doomed because he doesn't have Allah!? wow......
@hurahman then most of them are going straight to hell, believe me because thier the very ones that do it all. thats why yah! said if a rich man could get through and eye of a needle then he would enter the kingdom heaven, so this is thier heaven, then and what a short journey, your here and your gone tommorrow. its not worth your soul: thats what yah! so? so you figure that out its scripturual.
You do realize Christians are just as guilty..hell EVEN more Guilty of Killing and enslaving various people...ISlam and Christianity are two of the Same coin....
I never said the contrary....I'm not sure if Europeans enslaved & killed more than Arab Muslims. If you can send me some reference, I'd be glad....I do agree that the two are part the same coin! Both were created to control the masses and I add, I don't know if both are worthy of being called religions when they have been used to inflict the worse evil on mankind, needless to mention.
@montecristo2512 i'll agree those are the worst people on this earth, use the father and do the most horrible crimes against mankind? its just sad, thats why i'll be glad when yah! do come i have to believe because this world is sick! shalom
thats the people of the slave trade home
tjblyden 2 days ago
I can't believe this junkie takfam07 is here too... Can't this drug addict find something else to do?!
Jesus, what a terrible, lonely, pathetic, sexually frustated life this dude must have!
SundiataOfMali 1 week ago
Suleyman del Pozo.... Spanish renegade, Baja of Timbuktu...amazing history!!
Masnovita11 3 months ago
@raleighman3000 (con'd) If you want the truth, don't base your outlook on one book. Read something by an anthropologist, archaeologist, or a historian who studies this for a living, not a geographer that's guessing based upon landscape. But don't worry, there are many documentaries like this one to help.
TheGiggles1989 3 months ago
@raleighman3000 Ah, but by saying that you'd have to completely overlook the kingdoms and civilizations that predate the colonial powers. The real reason whites grew to imperial powers was due to nothing more than advanced weaponry and the economies they built upon the back of slave labor and the people whose land and natural resources they stole. Western society itself did not originate in Europe.
TheGiggles1989 3 months ago
Lol I feel sorry for white people. How can you watch a History Channel clip and still learn absolutely nothing? That level of stupidity must come from your Neanderthal ancestors
TheGiggles1989 3 months ago 4
@infox1000
Also I wanted to see a link for "entirely black army" & general that heroically conquered the Spanish. You probably DO believe that Hannibal was Black dont you. Along with Jesus, Spartacus, the 1st Greeks, the Egyptians (of course the entirely 100% negroid character of the Egyptians is essentially lore in African culture such is their dellusion) etc. Afrocentrics, why do I even indulge them in debate *sigh*.
gunninlinguist 4 months ago
@gunninlinguist Here's the thing -Ancient Egypt was an African civilization not a mediterranean, not middleeastern, or European- it was AFRICAN -the rest you can figure out on your own. Don't be a hater.
vibrantkitty1 3 months ago 6
@vibrantkitty1 look at a map. Egypt was on the Mediterranean, they sailed the Mediterranean. they were a Mediterranean culture. dont get caught up in modern maps. they werent the only brown skin Mediterranean culture. so was Crete. yes Egypt is in Africa, making them African, there is only a debate because we are using modern maps.
amphotep 3 weeks ago in playlist Medieval West Africa
@amphotep I've looked at the maps booboo, Egypt was not and still is not part of the mediterranean. Their culture has no similarities with the Mediterranean. Lets exlpore: The nile played a very important role in Ancient Egypt history and last time I checked, the nile does not flow from the mediterranean downwards. But that weird little river flows upwards from Tanzania or Uganda through Egypt into the Med sea. Crucial part of Egyptian history yet the river does not begin in the Med.
vibrantkitty1 3 weeks ago
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@infox1000
There are many depictions of Moors in and around Spain. Blacks only make the minority in these depictions. Most Moors are in fact displayed as lightskinned (Arabs). Also the term black back then from a European point of view didnt mean what it does today, in describing Moors it fits in with a description of a swarthy Norht African people. Which is what they were...
gunninlinguist 4 months ago
@infox1000
The renaissance centred in Italy in 14th century. The Byzantines were the main preservers of Greek & Roman culture as they were its successors. The Moors were in any event a primarily Arabic people. Look/read any depictions/accounts. Blacks are a minority. The nucleus of the Moorish empire was in NW Africa so they would have been-as NW Africans are now-a swarthy Arabic people. And Arabics weren't black btw just to inform you.
gunninlinguist 4 months ago
There are many depictions of Moors in and around Spain. Blacks only make the minority in these depictions. Most Moors are in fact displayed as lightskinned (Arabs). Also the term black back then from a European point of view didnt mean what it does today, in describing Moors it fits in with a description of a swarthy Norht African people. Which is what they were...
gunninlinguist 4 months ago
@infox1000
The renaissance occured several centuries later and originated in Italy. It had nothing to do with the Moors. Also it was the Byzantines who preserved the works of the ancient Romans & Greeks.
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@infox1000
"Considering that it was a black general with a black army who intially invaded Spain, I would say blacks were more than just a fringe element."
Black general. What like Hannibal "was"? Source please.
gunninlinguist 4 months ago
@infox1000 And how would those three chapters have changed the general tone of the book? For me, I thought the book had just the right flow and tone. Angry, underclass separatist militant, followed by the break with NOI, then moving toward a reconciliation of his separatist views--bridging between races and a more international perspective. I think Malcolm was onto something. Had he lived, he might've been the most effective black leader yet. But Booker T. was the wisest IMHO.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 I read "Roots" at least three times all the way through. I read X's autobiography at least five times. I loved Alex Haley. Even though he might've fudged some facts, I still appreciate him. But why do you say he butchered Malcolm's autobio? I thought he did a splendid job.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 I'm not "whining" about Afrocentrism. Asians don't "whine," that's not our style. Instead, I'm putting Afrocentrism in its place. And that place is on the shelf next to Von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods," Alien Invasions, and the Lost City of Atlantis. Oh yes, and Haley's "Roots"--because I found out Haley made up a lot of stuff he initially said was true. When confronted, his answer was: "I just wanted to give my people a myth they could live by." THAT'S Afrocentrism.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 OK, See, the problem is, Afrocentrism comes off as so fantastical, so flagrantly hijacking of other peoples' accomplishments, that Afrocentrism just seems like an extension of black crime. If there is truth to some of the claims, it gets washed way by the offensiveness and phoniness of the whole. It exactly mirrors black culture. While there is much that is brilliant and good about blacks, the catastrophic cultural problems tend to drown everything else out. And that's NOT racism.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Africans had empires, but how is "great" defined? I guess that' s very subjective. But you cannot imagine those black empires as being like Rome, Greece, Britain, France, Spain, etc. Or Imperial China. Blacks were nowhere near as civilizationally advanced as those. Blacks didn't have science, philosophy, or the urge for discovery and invention. And about barbaric primitivism--most of Europe and Japan were the same way until relatively recently. So you're in good company.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Black Africans had no jails, because they would just stone and stomp offenders to death in a mob frenzy, as they still do today. I'm telling you, that riot thing is deep in the black psyche! It's a fallacy to portray preliterate tribal cultures as angelic. It was the big thing up until recently. Now scholars aren't as quick to excuse human sacrifice, rape, slavery, genital mutilation, infanticide--all of which Africa had. Also, leaving their sick and elderly out for the hyenas.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Blacks should regard non-black opinions like good old Benjamin Franklin put it: "Your praise and dispraise is to me alike. One doth not stroke me, nor the other strike." BUT--do listen closely to criticisms of black culture. They are vital. You might not like it, but it always contains truth. And realize that blacks have too much of a gripe against the world. They attribute all their problems to the actions of others. That's a sure sign of weakness. That must be overcome.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 But my point is not to condemn Africa or black primitivism. I'm enough of a cultural relativist to say, let people be who they are. Besides, whites aren't withholding nor exaggerating Asian civilization. They definitely romanticized it at different periods--Marco Polo's Kublai Khan in the 13th century, etc. But Asians don't care one way or another. We KNOW who we are. We have a good self-esteem about our history, but we don't ride on it. We care more about today and tomorrow.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 That's because European empires were many times more powerful than any black African empire. The European empires were much more advanced, pervasive, influential. Whatever black empires there might've been were obviously more provincial, less advanced, less ambitious and visionary. And easily vanquished by non-black forces. AND the vast majority of black Africa, then as now, was starkly primitive and barbaric. If you don't believe me, visit Africa. You'll understand.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 HERE YOU ARE INSULTING @INFOX1000
just exposing you
jayelldude 2 weeks ago
@infox1000 Yeah, Shaka was great. I traveled through Southern Africa. Met many Zulus, Xhosa and San. But back to the topic: you've gotta recognize that if you're bombarded with 99% images and direct experience of stark, utter primitivism and barbaric practices, then that 1% of impressive achievement will be met with skepticism. That's the scientific mind at work, that's how whites approached the world. There just wasn't enough black civilizational achievement to suppress in any huge way.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 European, British and American (Stanley)! explorers didn't doubt the ruins of Timbuktu, etc. were built by blacks because they had an agenda against blacks. They doubted it because all around them was stark, static, neolithic primitivism of black culture--and nothing else. Those whites lived, worked, fought and died with Africans for years. They knew blacks very well, their present capabilities. So if they were incorrect, it wasn't because they wanted to "hide" black history.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 As soon as any African "historian" claims that black African history has been "suppressed," you know you've got a charlatan on your hands. As soon as you hear talk about any Olmec-African connection, or any black involvement in ancient China. Or any claim that ancient Egypt was "black." Those are sure signs that you're not dealing with real history, you're dealing with a political agenda. Because those claims do not command rational assent from true scholars. They are fantasy.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 "Black history," as told by Afrocentrics, is really a grand fiction. A fabulous re-construction based on wishful thinking. As long as blacks know that it's really a vision of "what could have been," had blacks been up to it. But more importantly, Afrocentrism can spur modern blacks into proactive planning and implementation today--something their ancestors rarely bothered to do. But that's not an indictment. Civilization-building wasn't a requirement back then. But it is now.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Well, that's why I implore blacks to create a new Black Code of Honor, or a "Marshall Plan" for the African Race. So that they can enter the fray armed with a vision for themselves, a set of values, an action plan. But as yet, all they produce is denial, rebellion, and Afrocentric myths of ancient grandeur. And the best place to start this "Black Reformation" is in America. Blacks here have the most resources, access to knowledge, and importantly--white and Asian support.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 "Indigenous North Africans are genetically quite distinct from sub-Saharan Africans (1), and this difference is reflected in their lighter skin and European/Middle Eastern physical features." Science 6 April 2007: Vol. 316. no. 5821, pp. 50 - 53
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 EVERYBODY will be seen as "exploiting blacks," if blacks sit and do nothing. Today, Asians own the businesses in the black neighborhoods. Remember the Million Man March? It was sad, because you had all these black men with the best of intentions. When they get to DC, what do they see? The streets lined with Koreans and Vietnamese, selling "Million Man March" souvenirs, food and drinks! Too tragic to be funny--in a nutshell, that's all blacks needed to see. THAT was the lesson.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 So what if Jews were involved with the slave trade? So were black Africans! Without the complicity of black Africans, Arabs and Europeans could never have shipped millions of blacks to the New World, Europe and the Middle East. If the blacks put up uniform resistance, the cost-to-benefit for Arabs and whites to capture all those blacks--in hot, disease-ridden Africa--would've been totally unfeasible. And Jews exploited black neighborhoods? You mean like Asians do today?
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 But even if he's quoting European sources, obviously he's not being a discerning scholar in promoting what is ridiculous on its face. Have you seen the Olmec sculptures? Do you know who they MOST resemble? POLYNESIANS! I live in Hawaii, I'm surrounded by them every day. And ancient Polynesians were master open-ocean navigators--phenomenal. They did it without writing or metal. And they recreated their voyage in 1976 to prove it. West African reed boats across the Atlantic?
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Everyone can deduce that blacks hate Jews because Jews are white, yet they suffered more persecution than blacks during their history. Yet they are highly successful, whereas blacks are not. Jews are a major obstacle to blacks' claim to being the most persecuted group, and therefore the most entitled. And Jews make it clear to the world that even a highly persecuted group can prevail. The obvious question becomes, Then why can't blacks? Thus blacks hate Jews with a passion
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Clarke's position on Jews takes away from anything he says, because it reveals his credibility. Jews have been the most philanthropic group toward blacks over the last 100 years. They basically funded the Civil Rights movement, and have donated millions toward black scholarships and uplift programs. You never hear a Jew say a bad word about blacks. Indeed, they're among the quickest to defend them. They basically created the modern liberal structure that supports blacks.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Ivan gets unfairly blasted by Eurocentric scholars? You mean, for claiming that the ancient Olmecs were West African blacks? Or that black Africans worked out the speed of light 300 years before the birth of Christ? Or that black Africans invented vaccines? Or that West Africans developed original philosophical systems of thought "as complex as Heidegger or Kierkegaard"? When a 1997 article in Current Anthropology blasted his works and asked for a rebuttal--he declined.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 John Henrik Clarke also accused Jews of exploiting blacks and stealing their history. As for Tariq Ibn Ziyad, all official descriptions and portraits of him in Spain, Algeria and elsewhere show a Caucasoid-looking African Berber, which is what he was. Undoubtedly there were ink-black Moors, but he wasn't one of them. However, modern blacks want so desperately for him to be Negroid, that their claims actually cause offense to modern North African Berbers, who know otherwise.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 Tariq ibn Ziyad was most definitely NOT Negroid. He might've had blacks in his campaign, but he was a white North African. If you disagree, please cite sources that say otherwise. And if it's Van Sertima--forget it. Credible scholars have long written him off as a fake--total "rubbish." Even in the face of overwhelming scholarly evidence, Van Sertima wouldn't back down. It's the Afrocentric way, I guess--cling to what you WANT to believe, rather than what actually happened.
takfam07 4 months ago
@infox1000 But it's important to understand that the Moors were not generally Negroid. There were Moors who were indeed black African, but the Moorish leaders and scholars were mainly North African Berbers, Andalusians, etc. Tariq ibn Ziyad was an 8th cent. Berber general who defeated the Visigoths. Ibn Bajjah, the inventor of classical mechanics, was Andalusian. And the famous Berber travel writer, Ibn Battuta, wrote extensively on the black Africans he encountered. Wiki "Notable Moors."
takfam07 5 months ago
@infox1000
I have already conceded that there were black mercenaries-as there are in North African regimes now-but to claim Moors as 100% black is just....mindless. Ancient depictions show them as fair skinned caucasoid (before you get all excited I don't mean White), like the Berbers and Arabs. Blacks would only have been a fringe element in Moorish North Africa, as they are in modern North Africa.
gunninlinguist 5 months ago
I was touched by the scholar who said that the manuscripts show that Africans have a written history, not just oral tradition (1:32). I can relate to his pride. But the proper perspective is that Arab Muslims taught black sub-Saharan Africans writing, and only fairly recently (16th cent). And most of the manuscript contents related to Muslim, Greek, Euro and other cultures' intellectual achievements. But that's perfectly OK. The Japanese did the same copying Chinese writing and philosophy.
takfam07 5 months ago
they all invaded for our BLACK GOLD.
solidfox13 8 months ago
Caucasoids have burned our ancient library's and destroyed almost all written documentation of our History. It is our duty as black people to seek,find, and spread the true history of our people to the world. If it wasn't for Ancient Africans creating science,mathematics, astronomy, etc... Where would this world be today? It's quite shameful that the history books in schools acknowledge all ethnicities and their accomplishments, but totally ignores Africans as if our History begins at slavery.
KelferMookie 8 months ago
Who built the city of Timbuktu is Mansa Musa one of the kings of Mali Empire and not the Arabs . It is also certain that there is a link between Timbuktu and Dogon people and their knowledge of advanced astronomical
theblackmagicsix 8 months ago
africa is not part of the middle east please!!
leekydun 11 months ago
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Why do Jews,Arabs and whites hate all black people and rape and destroys there cultures and makes fun of them???
Ramrock121 11 months ago
Why do Jews,Arabs and whites hate all black people and rape and destroys there cultures and makes fun of them???
Ramrock121 11 months ago
@Ramrock121 Because of their fear of blacks people. Don't worry time is on our side
biotictec 10 months ago
@Ramrock121 Some say you will always hurt the ones you love. I say you must hate the ones you hurt. If you care and like someone you can not hurt them. YES? So to justify slavery and war an anti-black movement was invented. Blacks are inferior. Blacks are stupid and child like. Blacks are lazy. On and on to justify harsh cruelty and slavery. One more thing. Whites Jews and Arabs all were slaves for long periods of time. On becoming free they wanted to enslave somebody else. BLACKS !
3877michael 8 months ago
All of this Barbaric Criminal Insanity organized by White Arab Muslims and their Islamic Infused Black Followers to the demise of Black Africa .
kwilly54 11 months ago
how do u sell human beings?
5104560711 1 year ago
This is so biassed a white mans history of Africa am an African and we don't have a world slave in my language. pows of war in my culture were treated with respect and become part of the family after we gave them names to this day we still know the names they were given land as well. we dint beat them and chine them and spit them with hoses.
gentojupiter 1 year ago
Oh yes when did the african become poor and had aid's ? In what day, month and year does anyone knows?
Mirumeify 1 year ago
@Mirumeify, what kind of question is that? We know that Africa's destruction began with Caucasian and Khazar(Jewish) arrival. Your question is similar to asking: "In what day, month and year" the Moors (Black Africans) civilized Europeans before the European Renaissance? See what we mean? The destruction of Black African environments (specifically West African likely began around ~1495 after the Portuguese arrived to West Africa and were in great shock by the level of supreme sophistication.
outthetube 1 year ago 11
Even though Black Africans were totally unfamiliar with the many European ethnicities and erroneously viewed all belonging to one group, careful study of history will simply reveal that it was the Khazar(so-called Jewish) element of these arriving Europeans who were the most notoriously destructive, yet were incapable of acting alone. These people, Khazars(so-called Jews), seemingly sported a mixure of cowardness and unmatched appetite for destruction fueled by toxic forms of envy and jealously.
outthetube 1 year ago
@outthetube
Just out of interest when did you Afrocentrists come to think of the Moors as "Black"? I see the attraction-an African based people who invaded and dominated a part of Europe. Other than a fictional historical account in a the movie Ture Romance, tI see no pointers for them being anything other than North African Caucasoid. At best you could describe them as multiracial, Arab and White, perhaps with some Black and coloured mercenaries.
gunninlinguist 7 months ago
@gunninlinguist The Moors were not a distinct race of people. As a whole, they were swarthy whites, with a few jet-blackers thrown in. Because it's so unusual that blacks were even a small part of a conquering force (and not as slaves or laborers), Afrocentrists jump on it and say--aha, the Moors were ALL BLACK." Truth is, they were mostly Berbers, Arabs, Iberians, only a few blacks. This is why today's Spanish, Portuguese and some French are swarthy--but they don't look like Sammy Sosa.
takfam07 5 months ago
@takfam07
Yes its the same with the* groan* Black Egyptians. There it was even worse because they were essentially slaves & hated enemies for most of its history (excluding the watered down imitations in the Nubian south when the real Egypt was long since past its prime). No doubt given time & opportunity they would come to claim the US of A as being simply "Black." It would be about the braindead level of current Afrocentrism...
gunninlinguist 5 months ago
@outthetube
If you want to embellish your history further how about this? Ever hear of the Carthaginians? They were an ancient, (technically White but lets not get lost in details) African culture who were brutally wiped by the Romans after a long and bitter War for dominance in the Mediterranean. Why not claim *them* as Black African? An ancient African culture that was violently destroyed by Europeans? Perfect!
-Just some thoughts from your Friendly Neighbourhood White Devil
gunninlinguist 7 months ago
@gunninlinguist
Well now that's interesting considering that many early writers in their description of the Moors as brown to dark skin with "negro" features. Plus after the Moors civilized Spain, they were expelled, persecuted or forced to because the spanards couldn't digest the fact that these darkskin peoples were occupying their land with a position of power.
LostAngel723 6 months ago
@LostAngel723
I wouldn't describe an invading Islamic army as a civilising force. The Moors were actually notoriously brutal to their enemies (probably why you want to be them so badly). As for negro features...what writers? Burden of proof is on you. As for couldn't digest dark skinned occupying blah blah blah no they didnt like being occupied. Correct. So they fought back and took what was rightfully theirs. Problem?
gunninlinguist 5 months ago
@gunninlinguist
Wrong again. The Moors not only civilized spain but under their rule the roman catholics and jews were able to live in peace. Look it up. Burden of proof? you're the one who is trying to disprove. You must have never seen any of the early art work, paintings of the description of the Moors. Here's a book for you "The Golden Age of The Moors" by Ivan Van Sertima (who is a well researched scholar). I doubt your racist ass will even bother.
LostAngel723 5 months ago
@outthetube
"the Moors (Black Africans) civilized Europeans before the European Renaissance"
This ludicrous quote doesn't say much for your grasp of history, logic reasoning, or reality. The Renaissance was a recovery from the Dark ages spurred by the spread of Christianity, literacy, and general prosperity . It was a *rediscovering* of ancient Greek and Roman culture, so what would the forceful invasion by an alien culture, such as the islamic Moors have to do with this?
gunninlinguist 7 months ago
@Mirumeify AIDS was created by pharmaceutical companies and spread first to Africans and the communities they live in. Their purpose for creating the disease is simple. For every person that has AIDS, they are dependent on the drugs these pharmaceutical companies make hence spending money on the drugs for the rest of their lives. Being that the Africans are looked down upon, these companies had no problem spreading the disease and of course blamed it on a third world country.
DirtyMekanic 1 year ago 3
@Mirumeify they became poor after european colonization, as is done to every country the european has came into and wiped out the people and it's culture, plus the aids virus was given to the african under the lie of SHOTS that would help with sickness , no aids was over there (they want the country's rich resources ) also it was injected into the GAY WHITE MALE community in the states to get rid of them. (two men or two women cannot create a child to help the diminishing white race.
lh12cat 8 months ago
@Mirumeify The groundwork of modern African poverty and self-subjugation can be seen in European imperialism and colonialism. Essentially, West Africa was intellectually and technologically advanced, but Europe was able to take better advantage of their own knowledge to conquer the territories they did.
LPJeetkunedo 1 week ago
Hey great education movies here. Thanks for sharing it with other's.
Mirumeify 1 year ago
Look at how they tried to blast the pyramids and statues, The attempted to move the Obelisks and mimic the landscaping in architecture.They even wrote history books to only begin 4 thousand years after the greatest civilization on earth.(it hurts when they hear that - Rome dont like that).They wont even properly educate the public on any acheivmts of greatness outside of modern athletes and entertainers. Its so sad because its blatant. Its like saying the state of Israel is where all Jews r born
Sirlance5577 1 year ago
After studying my own history and comparing what I know to be true, this is what "the devil" "d'evil" "(lived spelled backwards) wants blacks to know about their history. This is well after the Nile culture that shaped us from the beginning. Mansa Musa and the West Africa nation is where corruption was vast enough to sell off slaves... Hence the beginning of the slave trade... THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE and FOCUS on this as if we are learning who we are, but this is NOT our people. Go back further.
Sirlance5577 1 year ago 5
@Sirlance5577, you are correct. The narrator of this video and the people who put it together had strong motives and we will correct this.
outthetube 1 year ago 3
@outthetube It does do a service to many of my people who still, at this point, don't know this information. I had the luxury to go to college to sit down in my first African history class. My homies on the block have not even a general idea of this part of their ancestoral background. And its been due to the popular influences that has grown like a vine on a demolished building. Its Poetic Justice how we are still alive.
Sirlance5577 1 year ago
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atweahene 1 year ago
Apart from colonialisation and slavery, there is no doubt that Christianity and the hideous death cult of islam have also really f**ked Africa up.
These 2 religions are an abomination on the world but it is in Africa where they both will eventually die.
When Africa rises again and shows its true spirituality, culture and power, the whole continent will flourish and will eventually give birth to a new democracy that will spread across the whole world.
I can't wait for that day to come.
throbule 1 year ago
nice video
bless mali, much luv from a Somali'an ethnic Kushitic REAL direct decendants of Kemet, hence Punt/Pwenet..
and much love to the rest of the abOriginal kinfolk Worldwide.
CushiticSomalianMale 1 year ago 2
@pablo42153 WRONG! Try again!
THE48LAWS 1 year ago
what movie is this off of
Huran104 1 year ago
@pablo42153 - cont...
In addition, not one single citizen of the Ancient Malian Empire was ever sent to America as a slave. The empire fell in 1540, and most of the Mande' and other citizens migrated to the south. Several decades later, their ancestors were the people transported to America as slaves beginning around 1619 (Not the original citizens of Mali). Also, they were not forced to worship Islam by Arabs...Sundiata Keita chose to convert to Islam, in order to trade in North Africa.
m018264808888 1 year ago
@pablo42153 -Timbuktu was a Tuareg-Berber seasonal encampment that was annexed by Mansa Musa (a Mande' King) and made part of the Ancient Malian Empire. Immediately following his annexation of Timbuktu, Mansa Musa ordered the building of a palace, universities, and mosques, and sent hundreds, if not thousands of scholars to teach and live there. Arabs had nothing to do with it. You won't find a SINGLE historic reference to any Arabs ever conquering, or controlling Ancient Mali.
m018264808888 1 year ago
it may be the authors consideration on Ibn Battuta's main work... I've read that book long time ago. but that won't change the fact: the slaves trade was extremely profitable and was practiced on a huge scale in Africa. well, the slavery existed even in Europe! the vikings used to raid russian and ukrainian settlements and to sell the captives to the jew slave traders who traded them for huge profits! even here; in Europe, the slaves trade was more profitable than gold... not only in Africa.
bogdancomm 1 year ago
the only book I've read is "Ibn Battuta in Black Africa" by Said Hamdun & Noel King. well... the quote is from my memory and I won't waste my time reading the book again to provide you with the exact page and paragraph. but you can read that book for yourself...
bogdancomm 1 year ago
@bogdancomm I just read the text of "Ibn Battuta's book of travels" in it's entirety, on the "fordham . edu" website, and a copy that I already had on my hard drive. The quote that you indicated about slaves was not in it. Maybe that statement was the author paraphrasing Ibn Battuta. There were references to various people in Mali having "slave girls", but Ibn Battuta also indicated that he purchased a "Greek" slave girl in North Africa. So, I believe your original statement is incorrect.
m018264808888 1 year ago
It's not me saying the slaves were the main commodity of the Malian Empire... it's Ibn Battuta. In 1352 he payed a visit to the king of Mali; Mansa Suleyman... and, among the others, he described the slave trade of the region. Ibn Battuta reffered to the slave trade as: "[...] even more profitable than gold [...]". Well, even the european (in fact they were jews!) slave traders who kept exact records of their horrible trade, mention the west sahelian area as the main source of slaves.
bogdancomm 1 year ago
@bogdancomm - I have read Ibn Battuta's writings, and I don't recall seeing that. I‘ve read that books in Timbuktu were considered more valuable than gold. I have also read that, in Ancient Mali, salt was worth its weight in gold. But the quote that you provided...I've never seen. If you don't mind, please provide a source.
m018264808888 1 year ago
africa is the greatest hidden treasure
ani1616 1 year ago
the Malinese Empire was indeed one of the richest ever... and Mansa Musa an inspirated leader...
but... let's not forget Mali had THE MOST WANTED RESOURCES of that time: salt, gold... and slaves! and the funniest part is that slave trade brought more money than even gold mining! the Malinese Empire grew incredibly rich selling human beings... isn't that funny?
bogdancomm 1 year ago
@bogdancomm - The Malian Empire derived the vast majority of its wealth from the taxation of gold nuggets, from people using their trade routes, and the salt trade with North Africa. Why do you think it was slavery? That's completely inaccurate.
m018264808888 1 year ago
@m018264808888 Why do I think it was slavery? Simple: because those who use to buy slaves kept records of their transactions... both in Arabia and in Europe. There are documents recording the number and origin of the slaves bought. Well, the main source of slaves was the Sahelian areas: Ghana, Guinea, Mali, Ivory Coast, Niger, Chad, Sudan etc. It is time to face the truth: some african traders made good money selling their own brothers and sisters into slavery. And they're still in business...
bogdancomm 1 year ago
@bogdancomm - Again...I'm asking why you believe slaves were their 'chief' export. The majority of their wealth was derived from the taxation of people who used their trade routes, and the gold & salt trades, not slavery. I didn't indicate that there were no slaves. I indicated that your claim of slaves as their 'chief' export was inaccurate.
m018264808888 1 year ago
is it really that big of a surprise to find complicated knowledge in africa?
its like... we fucking find the pyramids in egypt how many fucking years old?
and somehow people think africans did nothing for 4000 years LOL.
the europeans fucking burned all their documents just like they did to the mesoamericans and south asians
our nations are REQUIRED to have MASSIVE armies now just because of that stupid period of colonialism
yellowfellow 1 year ago
cont...
Mansa Musa (one of the Kings of Mali) was the person who converted Timbuktu from a simple temporary encampment, to a world-famous University of advanced learning.
m018264808888 1 year ago
These were my ancestors (the Mande people), and despite what many of these racist posters want you to believe, they had many great accomplishments. According to our oral history, all of the rulers of Ancient Mali descended from Lawalo (An Ethiopian, and one of Bilal’s seven sons who settled in Mali). At one point Mali was the largest exporter of gold in the world. In addition, the ancient Arab historian, Al Umari, wrote that Abubakari II, ordered 3,000 boats across the Atlantic before Columbus.
m018264808888 1 year ago
@m018264808888 Im also a mende from sierra leone r u African American?
ani1616 1 year ago
@ani1616 - Yes I am...but Mendemo ange' as well. Bi Mende yia mero? If so...do you know of a good source for me to increase my knowledge of Mende yia? Just curious. Bise!
m018264808888 1 year ago
@ani1616 Also, what part of Sierra Leone are you from BTW?
m018264808888 1 year ago
mansa musa... i learn about him back home in africa...we had to like memorize the story...
mansa musa carrying so much gold to egypt and all...
ivoriancutie 1 year ago
Where is part 2?
supervirtuouswoman 1 year ago
i want to know is there a full documentary of this on utube or the internet?
jamrock1ful 1 year ago
mansa musa rode on a horse.
CELL111able 1 year ago
what is the name of the video?this looks like the history channel.
CELL111able 1 year ago
Does any one know the name of this History Chanel documentary?
jamrock1ful 1 year ago
Ha you guys what is the name of this History channel documentary? Please some one out there what is the tittle of this History Chanel documentary i really want to know. because there are not those many documentary out there on precolonial African civilization's. PLEASE HELP SOME ONE!!! If you could post it below!
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jamrock1ful 1 year ago
Slavery as it was practiced among Africans had nothing to do with what Arabs and Europeans perpetrated on our people. In African societies, a "slave" was part of the family. Nowadays, there are still people in my family who were sold to my ancestors but who do not feel inferior to us, nor do we consider ourselves as superior to them. Actually, people seldom mention their origins since we always look at them as brothers.
Kongodiantotela 2 years ago
That's bullshit about Arabs controlling Timbuktu. Black africans who were Muslim and scholars controlled Timbuktu. The Arabs in Arabia at that time were very black and they prided themselves for being black and Arab. The Ottomans, Syrians, Pershians changed the idea of being black and Arab to something bad but all of Arabia use to be jet black.
ShabazzAllah1 2 years ago 9
pablo42153, you are wrong. Timbuktu was a 100% Black African civilization complete with universities built which existed long before Islam and before Arab nomads wandered into Africa. Though Black African leaders of Timbuktu back then choose Islam, the entire foundation of their society was Black African. Arabs were uncivilized barbarians who were actually civilized by Black Africans.
Arabs actually have no great accomplishments in Africa to show except for enslavement, lying stealing.
outthetube 2 years ago
A little extreme perhaps????
Please do not forget Arabs come from our loins!!!!!! Blacks were the first to inhabit the arabian peninsula remember? and Prophet MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings forever be upon!) him GAVE PROPS TO HIS BLACK AFRICAN LINEAGE AND SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH ETHIOPIANS GALORE!
Read 'Golden Age of the Moors' Ivan van Sertima explains what and Arab truly is.
GHETTO1SAINT 2 years ago
Mansa musa dropped the price of gold.upon is exit from Egypt
Junior1luv 2 years ago
The fact that in western contries they studie african history only under the prism of slavery and colonialism is a shame ! by example I use to have a lecture of " African History " which start in 1800 ! The past is not interesting...
dembeto 2 years ago
yall suck up to whites if u want but i wouldve rather been a slave of islamic ppl with rights and some dignity rather than be raped and treated like a farm animal by a texan or a british slavemaster
yungone0 2 years ago 3
@yungone0 not today where you been? im a full blooded american, and i have not experienced that! some stuff ive experieced but not what your saying, and my ancestors the came over here in slaves ships i just can't imagine what they went through sheer hell i know! but that will yah! revenge when he comes, yah! put us in bondage and if you read the book? you know why its all thier so? its hard to discuss those thingsl go read deuronomey 28; thru1 to 68
Winter412 1 year ago
im a north african descendant of those slaves and the truth is first of all that mostly it was men taken as slaves to supply the armies of the morrocan kings to form a blackguard, also about slavery it was performed by africans to africans as a spoils of war situation the arabs only took the opportunity but truthfully it was nothing like the slavery of white ppl because in islam even slaves have rights and they must often be freed in many cases as it is written in the quran
yungone0 2 years ago
i'm black african, and i've come to realise that the arabians are the mosted under reported hypocrites in the slave trade. they seem to have covered the evils of their past with their so called religion. while the whiteman is coming to terms with his, the arabians are trying as much as possible to shift the blames of slavery to the west. there are some black people that can see through your religious veils.
abtrice4u 2 years ago 6
THE NEGRO WILL ONE TIME RETURN TO GLORY
tamaduni 2 years ago 21
@tamaduni LOL the only plan blacks can come up with to glory is to kill every other race. hahaha
curatrix2008 1 year ago
THE NEGRO IS gOD
tamaduni 2 years ago
Since I am white, many of you will propably not care to read what I will post here... but still, even as I white person, I will tell you that Africa is the future. Its true form has been twisted by colonialism, so that people there now suffer from warfare etc. But if you take a look at the great men of peace of the 20th century, they all had a relation to Africa - MLK was black, Mandela is black and Ghandi lived in South Africa for a large part of his life. Peace is the true future of Africa.
MattaSchultz 2 years ago 20
Why do you think no one cares what white people have to say...I have white friends but the Western education of both whites and blacks is sadly very poor. Had black people learned we had the 3rd oldest university in the world...that our scholars were sought after, and that we built Empires with planned cities of stone, and on top of that the Muslim travelers claimed West Africa was the most safest and just Empire to dwell at..
jrpone 2 years ago 4
@MattaSchultz I'm with you up until Ghandi, even though he, just like the rest of India is also apart of the Black family he firmly stood for the caste system and was racist again the black indians and Africans as well. He formed an India army again the Zulu up raising, so anyone who knows history (I'm not jumping on you because you might not know this) do not hold Ghandi as a hero. MLK either didn't know about this or ignored it but Ghandi was not of peace he was for white Indians only.
MedjayCommander 1 year ago
@MattaSchultz thank you man.
lazieone9 1 year ago
@MattaSchultz is that why you all is over thier to suck the life out of them! yah! please come soon!.
Winter412 1 year ago
@MattaSchultz, you aren't entirely correct. Firstly, you are not White. You are Jewish (Khazar) and judging from your name I assume you are Ashkenazi. Jews unmistakably recognize Whites as gentiles and/or Goyim, so why would you start comment off by saying you are "white" when you know you're not? Secondly, Gandhi was from India and was an abject racist towards Black people. If you don't know this you should re-educate yourself. Lastly, why only reference MLK and not Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey?
outthetube 1 year ago 3
The reason why Jews(Khazars) only over-promote MLK and not Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, Louis Farrakhan and others, is because MLK was highly funded by Jews (Khazars) and continued to be funded as long as he never used his influential position to expose the level of extensive involvement Jews had in the slave trade. But even then, MLK's intelligence, like those of other Black leaders then and now, was far greater than what the Khazar (Jewish) puppet masters could've imagined.
outthetube 1 year ago
@outthetube YOU MORON who cares who jews promote. Each people are entitled to view it in context for themselves which is EXACTLY what you are claiming for yourself.
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IT WASN'T JEWS THAT KILLED MALCOM X IT WAS BLACK MUSLIMS
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You are a liar and a rewriter of history that claims events for blacks that weren't that great, or were not black only events.
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and when called on to take responsibility for the action of blacks. . . blacks always blame someone else.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@MattaSchultz LOL mandela turned south africa into a shithole with no infrastructure, no safety, no economy and no hope. lordy lordy
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@MattaSchultz Very well said and I totally agree to an extent.The main problem (amongst others) is pride and ego. Also; the quest for World Domination by those of the supposed secret society's is the biggest problem because their plan has been set and carried out regardless of how much we have fought. For every achievement we make, another plan is set forth which will counteract all of our accomplishments. The answer isn't only peace but in unification of those that want peace as well.
DirtyMekanic 1 year ago
@MattaSchultz Ghandi hated the blacks in south africa just to let you know:
Ghandi's description of blacks inmates in a south african jail: “Only a degree removed from the animal.” Also, “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized - the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.”
zimmyzimgir2 8 months ago
@MattaSchultz What!!!??? Africa is not the way it is because of Colonialism!!!! When the first Europeans entered Central Africa they found the natives could not even smelt Iron!! It is environmental conditions that has been Africa's demise, since the end of the last ice age about 11,000 years ago Africa has been getting increasingly more arid and today 58% of its land is incapable of growing crops.
greeny202a 7 months ago
@greeny202a
Correct. Despite (or maybe because of) enjoying a much longer more stable history than other races, most Africans (Negroes to be callously precise) hadn't invented so much as the bow and arrow or the wheel. And not an interfering evil Whitey in sight to excuse this failure. It would seem that they cling to the achievements of other cultures they were on the periphery of as a figleaf to the shame of their own barren history.
gunninlinguist 5 months ago
@gunninlinguist just watch the moors empire on youtube
tjblyden 2 days ago
Afrika is black, black is afrika. No other race apart from afrikan come from afrika. Don't let the devils tell you any different!!!
ardtunez 2 years ago 6
Timbuktu was NOT multi cultural. It was ALL black ONLY!!
anitaalford 2 years ago 8
anitaalford, Timbuktu was multicultural just like Ancient Kemet was; But, also, just like Ancient Kemet, Timbuktu wasn't a multiracial society. Aside from insignificant amount of Arabs foreigners who traveled to Timbuktu as sailors and scholars, Timbuktu was overwhelmingly Black African.
outthetube 2 years ago
@outthetube what amaze me you have people today, have never been to tinbuktu, in thier life but yet they think they know? now that blows my mind the very people that lived thier is not suppose to know huh! do that make since this world is sick? im going to believe the one that came from thier, or thier ancestors told them about this place, wouldn't you thats the most logical thing to think? shalom im not stupd at all i have all my factuality that the lord gave me, shalom;
Winter412 1 year ago
@Winter412, this is why it so easy to debunk all the racist garbage, present a much proper view that is fully in line with reality and teach them a thing or two.
outthetube 1 year ago
Arabes are as bad as europeans. Its all about conquering and imposed their culture to people.arabs practise slavery in africa, even more than europeans and for many more years.But today, we the work is done, they only, talk about Islam or arabe culture being a piecefull culture or religion. OF COURSE,AFTER THE JOB DONE !!!
greeg02 2 years ago 3
mashallah..im proud of the powerfull islamic empires of the west...may allah bless you...
amen
hurahman 2 years ago
What an hypocrisy?This people build empires,but they were Muslims who went around killing and dealing in African slaves and everything else that God forbade...and u tell me you are proud?!!That's why I don't get religious people, what are you proud of?!
montecristo2512 2 years ago
im proud of the fact that there is an empire..which means civilization, wealth and power...as to what they do in this life is between them and allah(god)..
hurahman 2 years ago
Beautiful! you can mistreat, kill and steal as long as you attach the name of Allah/Islam to it it's all good people can be proud. "as to what they do in this life is between them and allah(god) ", but you are proud? So the only difference between a Muslim and an "infidel" is that they all do the same "sinful" things, but the Muslim is saved for putting the name of Allah in front, whereas the infidel is doomed because he doesn't have Allah!? wow......
montecristo2512 2 years ago
the difference is in BELIEVING and not BELIEVING allah..
hurahman 2 years ago
So is this a confirmation of my second comment?
montecristo2512 2 years ago
@hurahman then most of them are going straight to hell, believe me because thier the very ones that do it all. thats why yah! said if a rich man could get through and eye of a needle then he would enter the kingdom heaven, so this is thier heaven, then and what a short journey, your here and your gone tommorrow. its not worth your soul: thats what yah! so? so you figure that out its scripturual.
Winter412 1 year ago
You do realize Christians are just as guilty..hell EVEN more Guilty of Killing and enslaving various people...ISlam and Christianity are two of the Same coin....
jrpone 2 years ago
I never said the contrary....I'm not sure if Europeans enslaved & killed more than Arab Muslims. If you can send me some reference, I'd be glad....I do agree that the two are part the same coin! Both were created to control the masses and I add, I don't know if both are worthy of being called religions when they have been used to inflict the worse evil on mankind, needless to mention.
montecristo2512 2 years ago
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dembeto 2 years ago
@montecristo2512 i'll agree those are the worst people on this earth, use the father and do the most horrible crimes against mankind? its just sad, thats why i'll be glad when yah! do come i have to believe because this world is sick! shalom
Winter412 1 year ago
LMAO!!
MadMAZamboula 3 years ago
you always put out the best.....thanks
1960markanthony 3 years ago
Nice video.
Seedcovers 3 years ago
Love the music and graphics of this video.
spreadingcolor 3 years ago