Great start and had good arguments that made me think, to bad your other videos are a bit nutty and just seem to be attacks on random youtube users who disagree with you.
Guns + Competition = War. You're using the term "competition" in the economic, socially responsible sense, but competing private police forces would be necessarily violent. Who would guarantee they enforce the law? Would we have private legislatures, too? Ultimately there would have to be a superordinate police force controlled by the same system as the legislature... You're deliberately ambiguous about how it would work because you don't want the details examined.
@danielvlee Yea ok, this is an intro vid, not supposed to go into great intellectual depth in 10 mins. But yes there would be "private" arbitration in different forms, but it courts, dispute resolution organizations ect. Something like the breons of stateless ireland. If your interested the user/LibertyInOurTime has a ton of links on his channel and videos as well that go into detail.
Did you hear us talking about stateless police on FTL last night, Erik? Apparently I resolved some cognitive dissonance for one minarchist / almost-voluntaryist guy on this issue.
@AnarchyInYourHead Nah never got the time. Plus I always seem to forgot when the show is on. I know thursday and now sunday. I got it right in itunes now, I just gotta see if I can listen in more.
The guy at the end completely ruined the whole validity of video, he talks as if he has never read a book in his life, and uses sweeping generalizations to describe a very complex topic without any valid points to back up his argument. The only reason I will not attack his character is because I am quite sure he is a victim of mental retardation, as I worked with kids who were mentally disabled and to get mad at them for not using common sense is counterproductive.
@dapperdan4 Im not going to make a total fool of you in front of everyone because Im feeling ok today. Learn who people are before you yourself make a rude generalization and pretend to be humble about it. Pretentious idiocracy which you yourself spewed out is the type of thing I despise highly. There is nothing bad about people having a moment to voice their frustrations and you pretending to the intellectual superior just shows how much of a condescending asshole you are.
@InTheEndIWasRight Still, the rant is detrimental to the argument put forth in the first part of the video. You're not gonna convince anyone with a rant like that.
The first narrator had many valid points, some of which I agree with, some of which I don't, but all quite logical. So it was quite enlightening looking at it from a new perspective.
Second of all I find it completely ridiculous how "its our right" to kill a person if he invades our home and steals our possessions, but its a greater crime if a Police Officer uses brutality or excessive force on a criminal, many times being a violent murderer or rapist. That makes no sense.
@dapperdan4 The problem is with people who in the eyes of the police are guilty until proven innocent. No one is saying a police force stateless or statist cant use force to subdue an actual violent criminal. The problem is with police who abuse their power since they are a monopoly and invade private homes. I find no issue with a person defending themselves from the police in an unjust way or a an actual criminal who is trying to coercive them. Theyre both criminals, one just has a badge.
Well yes, the second man did not ruin the validity of the original posters argument, as it was well thought out and nothing can change that. I had never really thought about how a Police force would work in a Stateless society , and my great friend who is a devout libertarian-Anarchist even stresses every society with or without a state needs a policing structure. I will say the second man just spews anger and hate without any knowledge or information to conclude the first narrators points.
make sure when private police are hired, they are paid by the community and not by the individual. It's much harder to exploit a group than a single person. Don't think for a second that purchasing private defense is a 100% voluntary transaction. One party's got the guns and the other doesn't.
I used to be like you guys only a few years ago, when I still lived in my parent's basement.
While there is certainly merit to the belief that a good system may emerge from the market, it would be wrong to have the people be fodder for figuring that out.
@AnonymousElektron Who said anything about libertarianism. Learn what we're talking about before you intend to be pretensions and know what we're talking about. And no one said you had to be part of our society.
I have long been a proponent of the idea of community policing, but the one logistical aspect I often get hung up on is the means by which far-reaching investigations would take place.
For instance: Cooperation between competing security firms might prove difficult to achieve in the hunt for a serial-killer.
Maybe distinctions would have to be made between "security" firms, and "investigative" firms.
Then there's always the matter of adjudicating criminal accusations in a stateless way too.
hahahaha. where did you get that video? my laptop crashed and i lost a bunch of those. haha man i was angry in that one. i guess the pigs will do that to ya.
and thanks for the shoutty mr. 3000! i'm pretty sure half my subs came from you.
@junior00bacon00chee haha i didnt even actually know it was part of the video, i got it from the channel CSMirror, its got a bunch of old vids on there and some people mentioned police so I figured post it, and then people mentioned you and Im like what? and haha there you are lol and no problemo, i'd rather you have a lot since i dont think I post to much of real substance since i tend to be a mumbly fuck
The thing I hate the most about gun control is that it makes it so much easier for the weakest members of society to become victims. I wonder what would happen to the rape rate if women were carrying guns.
Essentially, if a man tries to rape a 5'3 person like me, I'm fucked both figuratively and literally.
@crypter27 You'd be surprised at how many do especially in the midwest. THe west coast tends to be anti-Constitutional in their enforcement specifically teh San Jose PD will do whatever they can to jam up concealed weapon permit holders as a uniform practice b/c they don't want anyone else to be armed but them.
Cops are becoming more and more like stormtroopers these days.
but whats worse, are the dim wits, that defend the actions of those that abuse our citizens rights, and / or human rights.
A suspect is just that, until proven otherwise, you are innocent UNTIL proven guilty in a COURT. Yes if you are breaking the law in front of police or violently resisting arrest, they should have the power to protect themselves and others.
@gilgamesh1962 Most of the time the laws that regulate the polcemen mean they cannot keep their job if they leave you alone, and if they get in court they cannot be punished for following the law.
The problem arises when there are so many, that it is impossible to enter a public place without coming under suspicion of terrorism or something. Then you'll realise that as soon as you leave your doorstep your a suspect, and you have no real freedom to resist besides their narrow regulations.
@Sojaofdapepo Nah, you don't have countries that answer to you. That’s the nature of authoritarian leadership and rich elitists. They always want to talk to the man in charge, so they can bribe him and get things done. Democracies are even better than this, because they dilute the support of a resisting country, suddenly its not the whole country that’s resisting, suddenly it’s a small group of ‘terrorists’, because the new government just makes it illegal.
@Elephantintheroom01 you don't know what i ment, check out my vid "prison song" or the vid called "economic hitman" this has been going on for decades
@intheendiwasright i like your eyebrows:3 i have an ushanka and its fluffier :3
21811441514314159265 3 months ago in playlist Abolish The Cops
the homeowner inorder to maintain the title to his home must pay a due" coercion
death9719 5 months ago
Great start and had good arguments that made me think, to bad your other videos are a bit nutty and just seem to be attacks on random youtube users who disagree with you.
Nazzul 11 months ago
haha this dude kicks ass.
ITSHAVOK765 1 year ago
Guns + Competition = War. You're using the term "competition" in the economic, socially responsible sense, but competing private police forces would be necessarily violent. Who would guarantee they enforce the law? Would we have private legislatures, too? Ultimately there would have to be a superordinate police force controlled by the same system as the legislature... You're deliberately ambiguous about how it would work because you don't want the details examined.
danielvlee 1 year ago
@danielvlee Yea ok, this is an intro vid, not supposed to go into great intellectual depth in 10 mins. But yes there would be "private" arbitration in different forms, but it courts, dispute resolution organizations ect. Something like the breons of stateless ireland. If your interested the user/LibertyInOurTime has a ton of links on his channel and videos as well that go into detail.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Did you hear us talking about stateless police on FTL last night, Erik? Apparently I resolved some cognitive dissonance for one minarchist / almost-voluntaryist guy on this issue.
AnarchyInYourHead 1 year ago
@AnarchyInYourHead Nah never got the time. Plus I always seem to forgot when the show is on. I know thursday and now sunday. I got it right in itunes now, I just gotta see if I can listen in more.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight There's always the archive. :D
AnarchyInYourHead 1 year ago
@AnarchyInYourHead Forgot about that until you mentioned it lol
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Smart video
ALittleBitPregnant 1 year ago
Interesting. I can see a society existing without a police force though.
conceptualanarchist 1 year ago
@conceptualanarchist Nah, not "no" police force. Not a monopoly on police services.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Who is the second guy in the video? 6.17 onwards.
NihilistAnarchist 1 year ago
@NihilistAnarchist that beautiful man is junior00bacon00chee
BowmanMusic 1 year ago
/watch?v=A9P2qFE41Ng
mackraceing 1 year ago
why doesn't CS have a channel any more, he should come back
fourdoorchevelle 1 year ago
@fourdoorchevelle search "fringeelements", it's his different channel.
AtheistAltar 1 year ago
The guy at the end completely ruined the whole validity of video, he talks as if he has never read a book in his life, and uses sweeping generalizations to describe a very complex topic without any valid points to back up his argument. The only reason I will not attack his character is because I am quite sure he is a victim of mental retardation, as I worked with kids who were mentally disabled and to get mad at them for not using common sense is counterproductive.
dapperdan4 1 year ago
@dapperdan4 Im not going to make a total fool of you in front of everyone because Im feeling ok today. Learn who people are before you yourself make a rude generalization and pretend to be humble about it. Pretentious idiocracy which you yourself spewed out is the type of thing I despise highly. There is nothing bad about people having a moment to voice their frustrations and you pretending to the intellectual superior just shows how much of a condescending asshole you are.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight Still, the rant is detrimental to the argument put forth in the first part of the video. You're not gonna convince anyone with a rant like that.
somaobsidian 1 year ago
@somaobsidian Thats a subjective preference, some people are convinced by rants. Others not. Some people are convinced by passion ect.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
The first narrator had many valid points, some of which I agree with, some of which I don't, but all quite logical. So it was quite enlightening looking at it from a new perspective.
dapperdan4 1 year ago
@dapperdan4 And if you find the first part interesting, go on that.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Second of all I find it completely ridiculous how "its our right" to kill a person if he invades our home and steals our possessions, but its a greater crime if a Police Officer uses brutality or excessive force on a criminal, many times being a violent murderer or rapist. That makes no sense.
dapperdan4 1 year ago
@dapperdan4 The problem is with people who in the eyes of the police are guilty until proven innocent. No one is saying a police force stateless or statist cant use force to subdue an actual violent criminal. The problem is with police who abuse their power since they are a monopoly and invade private homes. I find no issue with a person defending themselves from the police in an unjust way or a an actual criminal who is trying to coercive them. Theyre both criminals, one just has a badge.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Well yes, the second man did not ruin the validity of the original posters argument, as it was well thought out and nothing can change that. I had never really thought about how a Police force would work in a Stateless society , and my great friend who is a devout libertarian-Anarchist even stresses every society with or without a state needs a policing structure. I will say the second man just spews anger and hate without any knowledge or information to conclude the first narrators points.
dapperdan4 1 year ago
word to the wise,
make sure when private police are hired, they are paid by the community and not by the individual. It's much harder to exploit a group than a single person. Don't think for a second that purchasing private defense is a 100% voluntary transaction. One party's got the guns and the other doesn't.
FeelGoodinc91 1 year ago
Ahh, optimistic libertarianism.
I used to be like you guys only a few years ago, when I still lived in my parent's basement.
While there is certainly merit to the belief that a good system may emerge from the market, it would be wrong to have the people be fodder for figuring that out.
AnonymousElektron 1 year ago
@AnonymousElektron Who said anything about libertarianism. Learn what we're talking about before you intend to be pretensions and know what we're talking about. And no one said you had to be part of our society.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@AnonymousElektron Ah, the unbeatable "I once thought like you but then I grew up" argument.
TotalAnomy 1 year ago
@TheEpicureanAtheist never a'tall, do as thou wilt : D
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
I have long been a proponent of the idea of community policing, but the one logistical aspect I often get hung up on is the means by which far-reaching investigations would take place.
For instance: Cooperation between competing security firms might prove difficult to achieve in the hunt for a serial-killer.
Maybe distinctions would have to be made between "security" firms, and "investigative" firms.
Then there's always the matter of adjudicating criminal accusations in a stateless way too.
Twenty20Visionary 1 year ago
@Twenty20Visionary I would figure there could be something like the private investigators like we have now, but with obviously more functionality.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
hahahaha. where did you get that video? my laptop crashed and i lost a bunch of those. haha man i was angry in that one. i guess the pigs will do that to ya.
and thanks for the shoutty mr. 3000! i'm pretty sure half my subs came from you.
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
@junior00bacon00chee haha i didnt even actually know it was part of the video, i got it from the channel CSMirror, its got a bunch of old vids on there and some people mentioned police so I figured post it, and then people mentioned you and Im like what? and haha there you are lol and no problemo, i'd rather you have a lot since i dont think I post to much of real substance since i tend to be a mumbly fuck
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
JBC is amazing. Also, great video.
MaikUniversum 1 year ago
The thing I hate the most about gun control is that it makes it so much easier for the weakest members of society to become victims. I wonder what would happen to the rape rate if women were carrying guns.
Essentially, if a man tries to rape a 5'3 person like me, I'm fucked both figuratively and literally.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
FUCK THA POLICE!!!
TheCaptainLulz 1 year ago 3
I don't trust the police,I think people need to learn to protect them selves!
crypter27 1 year ago 10
@crypter27 agreed on that
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight thanks
crypter27 1 year ago
@crypter27 most police officers would agree too... at least all the ones I know but I don't live in California.
ZombieX13 1 year ago
@ZombieX13 I don't live in California either,but I'm glad some cops agree with us!
crypter27 1 year ago
@crypter27 You'd be surprised at how many do especially in the midwest. THe west coast tends to be anti-Constitutional in their enforcement specifically teh San Jose PD will do whatever they can to jam up concealed weapon permit holders as a uniform practice b/c they don't want anyone else to be armed but them.
ZombieX13 1 year ago
@ZombieX13 The Maryland are far worse!
crypter27 1 year ago
*applause*
I'm not a big fan of Ryan's videos, but I definitely think this was one of his best. :)
JBC's was also very good as well.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
0:07 - Nervous.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago 2
@Surhotchaperchlorome same
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
state or stateless, an armed society is a polite society.
SNIPERSTEVE420 1 year ago
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gilgamesh1962 1 year ago
Yeah, whatever happened to "Protect and serve" ?
Cops are becoming more and more like stormtroopers these days.
but whats worse, are the dim wits, that defend the actions of those that abuse our citizens rights, and / or human rights.
A suspect is just that, until proven otherwise, you are innocent UNTIL proven guilty in a COURT. Yes if you are breaking the law in front of police or violently resisting arrest, they should have the power to protect themselves and others.
gilgamesh1962 1 year ago
@gilgamesh1962 Most of the time the laws that regulate the polcemen mean they cannot keep their job if they leave you alone, and if they get in court they cannot be punished for following the law.
The problem arises when there are so many, that it is impossible to enter a public place without coming under suspicion of terrorism or something. Then you'll realise that as soon as you leave your doorstep your a suspect, and you have no real freedom to resist besides their narrow regulations.
Elephantintheroom01 1 year ago
secret agencies of the government traffic in narcotics to fund their secret wars, thats why we have so many "bitch" countries that answer to us
Sojaofdapepo 1 year ago
@Sojaofdapepo Nah, you don't have countries that answer to you. That’s the nature of authoritarian leadership and rich elitists. They always want to talk to the man in charge, so they can bribe him and get things done. Democracies are even better than this, because they dilute the support of a resisting country, suddenly its not the whole country that’s resisting, suddenly it’s a small group of ‘terrorists’, because the new government just makes it illegal.
Elephantintheroom01 1 year ago
@Elephantintheroom01 you don't know what i ment, check out my vid "prison song" or the vid called "economic hitman" this has been going on for decades
Sojaofdapepo 1 year ago
@Sojaofdapepo I havent watched your video's but i have a pretty good idea what you were saying. So maybe you missed my point?
Elephantintheroom01 1 year ago
Hear ye and hear him !!!
alerabnhoj 1 year ago