Religious people telling people about morals is like a priest asking to bath your child you may think he is doing you good but he is only thinking of what he is getting out of it.
Apparent we all suffer from subjective moral notions, since, there would be no need to cherry pick from the bible, if it weren't so horrific for even believers to accept.
Does anyone consider stoning their kids moral?
Does anyone consider still consider enslaving people to be moral?
The best this that can be said...humanity's overall notions of morals are getting better...no thanks to religion...which is generally among the last to accept social changes and the first to take ownership... :(
The bible also endorses slavery and that is what early American colonist used to justify it. It wasn't god who said slavery was wrong it was humans. Oh and Hitler was a Roman Catholic and the majority of Nazis were as well. Your argument is pointless because Islamic people believe in god ( and justify their actions with him) and that god tells them to FLY FUCKIN PLANES INTO BUILDINGS SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
Morals don't come from a god. We know this. If god told you to murder random innocent children, you'd think that that is wrong, regardless of WHO dictates it to you.
Correct, and that is why we all still debate details of morality today!
Morality IS subjective, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. Just because people disagree on the morality of certain things does not somehow validate the bizarre pseudo-morality of your bible.
Sory, but I don't see what's the big deal with any of the above. None of those questions are like ''A-ha'' / ''Gotchya'' They can all be simply answered with ''I don't know'' Not beliving doesn't make U theologian, phylosopher or deep thinker...but U can still be an Atheist
@gregrutz Uhh, my comment was more or less a summary of the video, not my actual thoughts :P though some people do remind me of plants and bricks sometimes ;-)
For me its simple. I decide all my morals, and so does everyone else. We then create laws where the majority moral view (e.g. dont rape dogs) is banned. This system does work quite well, but obviously has its flaws (Hitler). But remember Hitler was a fascist, and most of what he did was not supported by the public, and was only supported because he miseducated them about Jews etc... so its unfair to attack societies ability to make morals based on Hitler.
@markgg1 This would also mean that if Hitlers views were accepted by the public (in germany, europe or on any scale you could call a society) that the holocaust would be morally justified in that moral framework. I was gonna say that "morals can be wrong even if the society that holds them thinks they're right" but then, who am I to judge as part of such a moral society which can be judged by Hitler and his minions?
@FHomeBrew "who am I to judge as part of such a moral society...."
It is quite difficult to judge the 95% Christian German population on their behavior during WW2.
There was no free media, no one had a global view of the situation, the majority even if against Hitler, would never have the guts to come out alone, and any criticism or gathering was immediately put to an end.
There is no way we could say, it was morally accepted.
It could very well have been seen as a necessary immoral choice.
@saintpine True. But hypothetically if they all accepted the new imposed morality, then what you've said earlier would actually make their and hitlers behaviour good and moral behaviour. More over, it would make our behaviour immoral because we're not racists. (at least I'm not :p and I'm guessing you're neither). That was mainly my point.
@FHomeBrew "hypothetically if they all accepted the new imposed morality, then what you've said earlier would actually make their and hitlers behaviour good and moral behaviour."
It could be the case, I could very well have been brainwashed to believe it myself.
I still don't understand how a majority Christian nation like the USA, can accept massacres perpetuated by their own Christian soldiers, like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
How can they kill tens of thousand to get one man ?
@saintpine I don't think that's in the name of Jesus or religion though. Unless Sarah Palin and the likes are on the military top (she said it was a holy war so..)
@FHomeBrew " I don't think that's in the name of Jesus or religion though."
I convinced it was not in the name of Jesus or religion, nevertheless the christian men doing these terrible actions where capable of finding a justification for their behaviou.
@saintpine So you're implying that their religion (regardless of the flavour) did not give them the moral guidance not to kill other humans. Well there are atheists in foxholes too, no matter what the christian mantra's say. Everyone in the military has a justification for joining the army.
@FHomeBrew "So you're implying that their religion (regardless of the flavour) did not give them the moral guidance not to kill other humans."
What I'm trying to understand is why and how a Christian could convince himself to kill people without even trying a peacefull tactic, kill them for no personal reason, no defence, simply to respect orders.
Why aren't there any christians that refuse to pull the trigger ?
On the same basis, we should analyze Nazi Germany.
@saintpine People in the Nazi army might have been proud to be in the army because of propaganda. Or they might have been forced into the army, killing others in fear of retribution from within the military (severe penalties etc).
Also, there probably are christians who refuse to pull the trigger and they might do so for several reasons. A lot of christians don't own a gun nor are in or have been in the army.
And then of course there are those who do not consider their enemies to be humans.
@eyeboan Im not sneering nor cynical. I have excellent manners :-) I like debating points. So a question for you. If your a christian, I know what you believe, but why do you believe it? i.e. what reasons do you have to believe your beliefs are true.
@eyeboan It happens every time you debate a brainwashed, ignorant person or creatard. It gets so frustrating talking to stupid people who don't understad Logic or Science and won't look at any evidence or show evidence for a Their God.
lol this is why im not a atheist or christain nor do i practice any religion you got incredibley bad videos proving god does or dosent exist same with the facts another reason why is because the main faces of atheisism and christanity you got dumbasses like richard dawkins who cant watch his mouth and stupid christains like paul manata who contradict themselves therefor making the look like jackasses i think the most laughable person is frank walton ive actually read his sad blog
@2keeko You are aware that the atheist potition is that the evidence for theism is weak that is it. As for people like richard dawkins they just calling theist out on there bullshit.
The Society during Hitler DID NOT decide anything, it was not a democracy and Hitler couldn't care less about other opinions, he would even get rid of them.
Nothing that is mentioned in this vid is even mildly defeating atheism. Give me 1 piece in this vid that you think makes atheism impossible and i'll refute it in a second.
1. One would say that it could be dangerous to name Atheists and where they live on the internet. Atheists are targets of alot of anger and hate. Someone might take it upon themselves to find and hurt them.
2. Why does anyone care if a person does not believe in (a)god. How does it have any bearing on another persons life???
i think morality is a human invention that changes with time. what was wrong in bible days is not the same as the things that current bible thumpers call immoral. read about stoning children for not listening to there dad or killing people for working on sunday and tell me that there is an objective moral that is transcendent of any time table. (deuteronomy / exodus references)
Wrong there are not just two choices for understanding human morality. Plus you use pedophilia as an example and yet the bible does not mention any moral code in regards to paedophilia.
So to all the religious folks, if atheism is wrong which religion is correct? Since there are so many that ALL believe they are correct should I try each one till I find the CORRECT religion? Which heaven/moksha/nirvana/paradise is the best? When should I go to pray? All these questions are bullshit, just like religion. No one can prove which religion is correct, yet they all want my money, time, and some even want me dead. FUCK THAT NONSENSE.
@MCLogikILL Bro, there's an unbelievable amount of evidence pointing to Christianity. Even then, if you want to ignore the evidence, become a deist. At least you'll gain some intelligence back.
@Death2theNWO777 Everything from the expansion of the primoridal soup. No non-theist expounds "everything from nothing". That's the spin theists use in efforts to discredit the origins of the universe.
Great question. Since matter can not be created or destroyed, it moves through cycles that are, basically, compressions and decompressions of energy. The primordial soup was a compression of substance that then decompressed giving us our universe. Science is ever moving to prove this concept, as this is the nature of science. As we observe the laws of nature, the understandings of the universe unfold. We are then capable of explaining these understandings through the surety of mathematics.
@DwaynHicks a war for humanitarian rights? did you fight FOR people, or for your country, for oil? unfortunately, soldiers have little say in what they are deployed for. Im sorry you have been through hell, but then why worry about heaven. if hell really is on earth, why can't heaven be as well.
Any god would want one to value this experience called life, not to treat it as a waiting room. and BTW, you dont know what i've been through. no god would put a human through my past either.
@DwaynHicks When they are dying for oil, yeah you are right. fighting against genocide, infanticide, or the wholesale slaughter of humans, i sure as hell would... oh wait, thats what your god does! =D
And even if not literal, there is no context or non-literal meaning that would make the stories anything less than sickening.
The OT contains around 600+ laws (not just 10 commandments) and according to the bible jesus himself said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, -cont-
But keeping the virgin women and girls for themselves, the list goes on.
"Too many Christians are enamored with the Old Testament and Revelations but ignore the Gospels, which are really the only parts any Christian should live by."
Sorry, that's cherry-picking.
While there is indeed stuff in there that isn't literal, there are alot of horrifying things in that book that can't be taken any way but literal.
As for the OT, when it speaks of slavery, human sacrifice (like the guy that promised god to sacrifice the first person to come out of his house, knowing it would be his daughter, if god would let his army win the battle), mass-murder in the name of god or done by him personally, the killing of cattle because a group of people was so "corrupt" that the cattle had to go aswell.
Killing all the men, and women that had known a man's touch.
Nope, omniscience isn't required for my arguements, my main point is moral objection, not lack of foresight on god's part, that was just an extra point I wanted to make.
As for what you said about death, purely speculation.
Even if an afterlife would be better, that still doesn't make this life torture (I happen to quite like my life :P).
As for hell, it was added later on, but that doesn't change that it's being taught and "sold" as truth.
Not a single uncorrupted person would worship such a god (yet 1/3 of the world does), if he even were to exist.
However, just the belief in a god with no dogma or religious biggotry is fine with me (the way I suspect you believe), the odds still aren´t exactly in favor of it but hey, who knows.
Note btw part of my comment doesn´t show here, go to ''view all comments'' for the full string.
The god of the bible isn't all-loving and he sure isn't omniscient (adam/eve/apple) (abraham/isaac/testoffaith).
He´s not omnipotent either, hence the need for the logically inconsistent jesus loophole for our ''sins'' (one of many examples) instead of just forgiving.
I would, in contrast to the christian god, never order or even condone (human-)sacrifice, slavery, mass-murder, rape, and I sure as hell would NOT personally kill each and every person on the planet.
Some atheists get frustrated, or "angry" if you will, because it's nigh impossible to have a religious discussion with a devout religious person, I hardly even bother nowadays.
It always comes down to circular reasoning and shifting the burden of proof to us.
Also, I'll asume that the god you're talking about is the christian god.
Asuming he did exist and I did believe, why would I worship a god with morals inferior to my own?
If I believed I'd call him out on doing a shitty job.
You got it backwards, to admit we're not the product of design, that we are no better than any other form of life on this planet, that we aren't some special favorite of some skydaddy and that this entire world and everything in it wasn't made for us to rule over is the only humble position.
"and humility is something the human ego detests."
Hence alot of religious people still deny evolution, their ego won't let them think anything other than that they were specially created.
First of all your channels name(Atheism sucks) shows your immaturity and as for Morals?.I think just reading deuteronomy in the bible should be very enlightening to just how IMMORAL!!!! Your Delusional god is!!!.Also you really made a flawed mistake by using Hitler as an example of a society ruler with him being a Roman Catholic and using references from the Bible to justify his rain of terror.YOUR ARGUMENT IS SEVERELY WEAK!!!!.
It cannot be defended without resorting to weird rationalization and scripture.
Why is it that you always think that your religion is the right one an all the others are wrong.Hitler was catholic.Religion does not have better moral; Read leviticus and deurotomy. Religious people sleep with animals just as much than atheist. Almost no atheist in jail. Atheist have higher IQ. Religion starts wars.Religious people tend to prejudice: racist, sexist, homophobe
@nononsenseinrational that's a cute response....but typical. ...even Dawkins admits the possibility of intelligent design. (note there is even a video here on youtube of him stating that!) Without God, there would be no morals. Please explain how morality 'evolved' if you can. Did religion start the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom? No, it did not. Your argument fails. All peoples exhibit prejudices!! It matters not if they are religious or not
@garyzenuf Hitler was actually a darwinist..he grew up catholic but obviously didnt have the same views as catholics. Hitler used Darwins 'On the Origin of species by means of natural seletion or the preservation of favored races' as a basis for his murdering. Blonde hair blue eye humans is the favored race he wanted to see.
Stopped after 2 min, you're so full of shit I don't even know where to start, nor am I gonna try.
And judging from the comments, things don't exactly go uphill from that point on.
Calling it the "Atheistic worldview" and an "Ideology" just goes to show you have't the faintest idea what you're talking about (not uncommon among theists) and immediately disqualifies you from any discussion regarding atheism.
Well, seems I was right, facepalm at 4:20~33 and 5:16~19.
Hitler was a pagon and a theist he believed in german power over all thats not atheism get it right and do your history. Definition of atheism lack of belief in gods and to maintain that belief it doesn't mean anything else don't assert more then what the definition is.
Atheism is just lack of belief i don't see evidence so i don't belief show some respect you converters your not compelling at all and not clever ether and i like being atheist your belief has nothing to other but guilt and false fantasy. I don't claim to be super smart but i trust my insticts on atheism period.
@wachnathan so do u believe in the big bang theory as most athiest do..because there is no evidence for that either...theres plenty of evidence that God exists..it depends wheter u choose to accept the evidence or not.
@60zOutlaw Well if there is super spirits out there i haven't seen any of its super powers displayed yet so i don't see any reason to invoke it unless it asks to be from me because i refuse to accept books writen by men thats not good enough for me.
@wachnathan all these science books are also writtin by men...theres no reason u dnt believe them tho. except for the fact president JFK told the world science was corrupted and then was killed for exposing them. truth is u dnt even have to believe in the bible to believe in a higher power. I jus wish that ppl wouldnt think that this universe our world our lives and relationships all came about outta nowhere randomly by chance. Take a look outside and ask urself how did this all get here..
@60zOutlaw Science works and is the only tool man has to use to discover his reallity and i don't see any reason to guess outside of mass,energy,space and time. I choose to take the universe on a gradient level like a science person should jumping from one step to the end of the material universe is usless and only produces confusion like the bible has already done. Take life one step at a time it will make more sence in the end and if you find god at the end of the tunnel then so be it.
@wachnathan y not find God now so that wen u get to the end of the tunnel it wont be too late. let me say this...If God created the world and universe his knowelege must surpass human knowledge infinitley correct? The created(us) are no where near able to prove the existence of the creator(God) with science. we'll never enter heaven a.k.a another dimension in order to prove his existence ...but our best scientists kno there are other dimensions in the universe. but they didnt create themselves
@60zOutlaw I believe there is more evidence in reincarnation then heavan or hell not that i believe in it but that doesn't support your bible and the evidence isn't in your favor and i am sorry that you just can't accept (we just don't know) but i do. Look into your own thoughts and think for your self and stop listening to what barbaric people from the past tell you not everyone shares those thoughts and we don't like to be forced into a system that doesn't know what a god is anyways.
@60zOutlaw If you believe in a god tell me why because you exist? and what are its attributes? No one on earth can discribe what a god really is everything you read is a mans idea of a creater if it doesn't exist in the material realm then you can't say it exists by definition because we don't have knowledge of this concept outside of our reality and i am sorry but god is unknown and shouldn't be invoked until there is certainty of this essence. FYI the bible doesn't prove a dam thing.
@wachnathan So i guess you jus dnt believe history since u dnt believe wat ppl from the past AND present say about the bible. Albert Einstein, one of the smartest men ever believes there is a higher power if u look at science in a different perspective you will understand how science can show u evidence of God as well as the Bible. You dont have to believe in it all if u choose not to but i know i was born on purpose not by chance I have a reason im still here. I hope u accept it one day.
@60zOutlaw I don't think your even trying to understand me i don't disregard the idea of gods but i do think its just useless to invoke god in every thing we do and everything we say. Maybe there was a being that started it all but that being is gone somewhere else as far as i can tell so i don't see any reason to acknowledge it until it wants to be.
@wachnathan ohh ok my fault i understand now...i dnt think its useless tho cuz for alot of ppl God is the basis for their morals. 10 commandments dnt lie cheat still killl committ adultery etc...things we mostly go thru on a daily basis. but im a pretty devout christian i dnt even wanna hear about God all day everyday that would be a lil too much for me.
@60zOutlaw We contain morality with in us its your guilt that makes you think there is a judge in the sky but really its you. I think beliefs act on these emotions such as guilt and fear to dictate your life but really it makes no since for a god to judge you after your no longer a liability to the living anyways. The best thing to do with killers and rapists is to make them nonexistent to the living where that they pose no more threat. People are sick and wrong to what more then that from them.
@60zOutlaw When i say more i mean burning forever which there is no crime that deserves forever its not logical but i know we would like to see people punished for there actions and we do that with laws. I know that god didn't make hell for us but i don't believe the bible period but i am trying to help you understand that your belief doesn't make since with reality but if it makes you a better person and not a fanatic then more power to you that doesn't bother me at all.
@wachnathan all human emotions such as fear and guilt dictate ppls lives whether no matter wat u believe in..it depends on how u were raised and wat u believe is right and wrong. i do kno for a fact if everyone in the world followed jesus' teachings of love and brotherhood this world would be significantly better..not perfect tho because all ppl have flaws. i dnt agree that murderers n rapists deserve to die i think jail is ok only thing is jail needs to be more rehab'ish and less destructful
i think the creator of this world put all ppl here for a reason...if u live a good life you get rewarded if u choose to steal kill rape all your life u get ur consequence. now i dnt act like i understand God and his actions fully because the created can never fully understand the creator. but i kno after i accepted God i became a better person. now reality is a perspective issue the reality of ur life may not be the same as the next person.
@60zOutlaw Well reading the bible dictates your beliefs your taking the words of men you never knew or met as being special or something. Life gives reward in the here and now and life deliveries right here in life what you put into it you get back some people call it karma i call it a natural cause yes its unexplained but it is observable in your life everything you think happens in the after life actually happens in life, It can be good or bad you decide god doesn't interact in your decisions.
my belief doesnt make sense with YOUR reality. you dnt kno wat things ive seen heard and been through...everyone on this earth does not have the same reality. everyone sees the world differently through their own 2 eyes.
@60zOutlaw Your living your life through the ideas of the bible and you seem to be stuck in that reality which men made up with a clever story to get you buy into it. I don't hate christians at all i hate the false dogma that has given you a false delusion of our reality because they have filled that empty void of knowledge with there own made up ideas. If your bible was legit we wouldn't have people like me that question it and see they huge error of its doctrine and its not the devil ether.
@wachnathan jus because ppl like u dont agree with it doesnt mean its not legit.....darwins theory of evolution has been called legit for years n now thousands of phd scientists dnt agree with it...is it tru or not idk ive never seen animal evolve so at the end of the day the masses of the ppl on earth are told wats tru or not by high ranking ppl of our society past n present. once we take matters in our own hands to find the truth we'll never undoubtedly kno absolute truth.
@60zOutlaw I am not a darwin follower i am independent i go with what i study for myself and yes i too think we are to complex to be part of that chain of evolution but i don't claim to know the truth i acknowledge that we just don't yet isn't that a fair position?
i watched 2 minutes of this and thought i must have misread the title of this video. cuz after 2 minutes in, oraganised religion was defeated when the guy said 'which God'.
Suppose I say the French king is good. He is the objective law giver. All laws come from the French king and he condones genocide, unconsensual sex with married women and human sacrifice.
You might want to say the king is bad. But he decides the law. For the king to be bad the law would have to come from beyond him. As a good democrat you would want to revolt against this king and say even the king must be subject to the law.
If Pastor Gene makes his living from preaching then reason and evidence is bad for business. Make your case, show me credible evidence for the existence of god and maybe I'll go back to church, get all my friends and neighbors to join, and give 10% of my money...
Plus, we still can't communicate with animals very well so actually bestiality is immoral because there is no way to know whether the feeling of lust is mutual or not. Similarly, about NAMBLA, children are usually considered to be in a phase of life where they are just learning about society and have not understood about it well enough. So using their innocence as an excuse to have sex will be considered wrong. But I do agree that most atheists don't have consistent philosophies for morality.
So you think ants and bees also believe in GOD?? Social order is well maintained among ants and bees, so is it likely that ants and bees are also theistic?
Morality comes out of the conflict between the order of human consciousness and unconscious impulses. Morality is SUBJECTIVE. It changes and grows as WE change and grow as human beings. Without subjective, human-based, morality we would never learn anything.
Taking responsibility for our behavior and learning from our mistakes is a mark of maturity. Looking to an authority figure for moral guidance is what CHILDREN DO!!!!
4. Human dignity is created by social norms. These norms, such as wearing clothing, were formed as a practical 'guide' to survival (clothes keep you warm/protected from the environment). The use of clothing quickly became the norm, and a social stigma towards nudity formed when humans began to see one another naked less of the time.
1. Religious texts and cutsoms are filled with atrocious rules pertaining to 'morals', such as killing disobedient children, and female circumsision (male when done religiously, however the debate continues as to its medical benefits or lack thereof).
2. The laws of nature are uniform because matter and energy behave in predictable ways. This is why they are laws in the first place.
3. Again, universal laws are simply the explanation of the uniform 'behaviour', if you will, of matter/energy.
I think you're misrepresenting why they want the name change. See, we're constantly called Atheists in a negative sense, with a negative context. Some atheists, as I've seen, want to change their title as by a way of showing instead not what they don't believe in, but what they do believe in. (Rational logic, physical evidence) So that they can form sort of a more positive outlook, and so that they can stop being so flagrantly misrepresented and called a religion.
This is all garbage. It's funny how atheism is blown completely out of proportion by the religious. We simply don't believe in God. Get over it. If your God is so much more powerful than us all, than he doesn't need defence from his followers. Kick back, relax, and leave us be.
i find it weird that anybody can still believe in any religion when science has proven them wrong in many fields..before science sickness was caused by demons, the rain was caused by god, and god created the earth 6000 years ago...the earth was all we knew 1000 years ago ..now that science has discovered our massive universe all of the sudden god created the entire universe
people have never sat down and decided what was or not socially acceptable? ummmmm.... congress? why can't gay people be married? why can't i (legally) smoke pot?
You do realize you are violating the privacy of these people by making a list of hated atheist on the net like that. Then you associate them with nazism, bestiality and pedophilia. What next? Setting up a place and date for a mob to burn their houses?
Do you realize you are invading the privacy of people by doing such a list of hated atheists in the area. Then you associate them with nazism. What next? Giving date and address for a bunch of people to go and burn their houses?
So much of this annoys me. I'll will only argue about the morals in society as otherwise I could sit here all night.
This video suggests that society just came into being, however, societies developed from groups of hunter gatherers settling down in groups which eventually settled. When you see it like this, the idea of universal morals in a society does not seem so spontaneous
I really wish I could talk to these people who has an incorrect view of atheism and yet feel they can deconstruct it
@iridium249 I agree 100%, Religious people will often "insult" Atheism by giving it all the attributes of their religion. Does that make sense? Of course not. I gave up on religious people making sense along time ago.
Ok, firstly, morals come from evolution if you had any issue about where morals come from. As professor Nash showed, generally, co-operation and morality are in the individuals best interest, therefore would be promoted by evolution. Secondly, Provide some actual proof that morals are not subjective. All you've done is judge some actions immoral by todays standards, morals change. And Hitler was Christian! Also, even if you did prove objective morality, so what? that would prove OM, nothing else
And the priest that molests children? Where did religious morals come into play?
Having sex with a dog and killing it, is sickening, and I am sure 99.9% of all people, atheists or christians would agree.
The speaker forgot to mention, the 18 year old that had sex with that dog was a priest, and NAMBLA group is made up of 80% of christians. Ok, I made that last sentence up, but, I am sure there would be plenty of religious people committing immoral acts.
and at 4:59, "he's contrasting faith and reason as if they are antithetical to one another" I think that's a pretty easy one. Faith is a belief in something in the absence of supporting facts, but reason requires support. Rational thought & science basically say "if you can't back it up with hard facts, don't say it is true."
3:01 this little aside about changing names smells a little like a holier-than-thou attitude. Something like a rephrased "aha, we gotcha! you're trying to disguise yourself!"
Well, I hate to say it, but creationism (I mean Intelligent Design, please forgive me) did pretty much the same thing. Truth is, this happens all the time, in a variety of situations. How many companies or corporations can the reader think of that have either changed their name, their logo, or their mascot?
Let me ask this regarding morals: Who is a better person? An athiest who tries to do good for others purely out of his own kindness, or a religious person who only does good because he is afraid to be punished for all eternity by a "loving" god?
Seems like religious morals are just a cover for human greed and selfishness to a large extent.
Not even going to touch on the plethora of things that are immoral today that various holy books and religions fully endorsed at the time of writing.
Let me ask YOU this regarding morals? "Atheist who tries to do good" What is 'good'?
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You're fixated on that same question across vids, aren't ya? Repeating the same crap: What is "good"? What is "good"? 24/7. You need an answer that is simplistic enough to penetrate into that 6 inch skull of yours.
Just go look up the word "good" in a dictionary. It's not some profound question that needs to be addressed.
--- Let me ask YOU this regarding morals? "Atheist who tries to do good" What is 'good'?
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I burst out laughing when I saw this. This blathering idiot keeps visiting videos with the exact same question, "What is good?",
He thinks that he is addressing some deeply profound issue. I've tried to educate him before, but with no avail. Explanations outside the Bible count as "running".
The best way to deal with this wannabe-philosopher nitwit is to direct him to a dictionary.
Why do these conversation always come back to Hitler? The Holocaust isn't just something you can use to make a shallow point about morality. What a dick!
Atheism is the logical position when you look at the probability of a deity existing. As and atheist you do not need to have all the answers(more logical to just say "i don't know" then to assume you can or do know without evidence).
You do not need to even believe in evolution to be and atheist, some will also say there might be or might not be a god and give it the 50/50.
Probability wise there is less then 1% chance that a deity exist and that is fact beyond ones own opinion.
So you're basically telling what a few atheists in your area believe. So? You really cracked me up when you started jabbering about the "god of atheism". How stupid can you get.
Morality stems from the fact that human beings are social animals. Religion derives its morality from that, not the other way around--which also explains why the same rules apply to very diverging societies.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I never said you weren't that interesting. On the contrary, I thought we were having a very interesting conversation, and really? C'mon, youre a zoophile for crying out loud, and the first one I've ever spoken to at that. If that isn't interesting, I don't know what is. Im not saying you've converted me to thinking its right, but its interesting nonetheless. If there is anyone boring or dull, its me, after all I am a Jesusfreak remember? Were not exactly popular, you know.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Ok, my mistake, but here's something I don't understand. If in fact overpopulation is such a concern, why are scientists working so hard in developing cures or experiments to prolong man's already really short life span?
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo You said earlier its wrong for humans to kill animals, but its not wrong for man to determine the life or death of people? Your ideology is that you don't see any real purpose for man's existence. The environment is going to be fine, it's mankind I'm worried about, and the more mankind adopts your humanistic consesus, the more I fail to see any hope whatsoever for our survival.
Homosexuality and beastiality does a little more than slow the population, it ceases it. I beleive every person has right to live,and I dont think overpopulation is the cause of all the trouble for humanity. I beleive its mankind's sinful nature i.e. pride, greed, hatred, and corruption that does more damage to our society than anything else.
I beleive we can overcome all the evil in the world with good. Unless we humble ourselves by loving one another, loving our enemies, forgiving those who sin against us, even if they dont deserve it. Now, you may laugh, but as long as we still hold to the idea that we own the place, we will never see any real progress.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I was pretty sure that's what you meant. However, population control isn't something man shouldn't be something man ought to determine or control, and to be consistent with your ideology you would have to concede that death by a disease is a good thing bc its really just another means which contributes the problem you have with too many people. I mean, don't get me wrong I love animals, just not enough to be rid of people.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Population control, hmm! so if a zoophile dies by zoonoses, that's a good thing, bc hey! its one less human taking up space, is that correct?
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Ok, fair enough, however, there is a purpose for experimenting on animals, but I see no purpose(other than sexual lust) for beastiality. Unless, I am wrong, what other purpose for this behavior is there? I am failing to see how it helps the good of humanity. I mean, science should be able to answer the question I asked earlier, why should a human have a sexual attraction towards an animal?
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Well, I dont condone poaching and hunting for sport. However, scientists are experimenting on lab animals for cures to diseases to reduce suffering, yet earlier you said that was wrong. So, what would have them do experiment on humans instead? Aren't they making a reaonable decision by sacrificing the lives of pests in the attempt to advance human life?
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo It wasn't supposed to be a compliment or an insult. The point I'm trying to drive home, is that in a humanistic consesus just about anything can be acceptable, but where do we draw the line? Are we just supposed to consider anything man accepts as acceptable just bc it makes them feel good?
Maybe I'm asking the wrong question or something, so here's another one: Why should a human be sexually attracted to an animal? What is the purpose or rather the sense in that?
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Irony is so rich. I was called a bigot once for doing exactly the same thing you just did in your last comment. All I did was ask the individual, if homosexuality is ok, then why is beastiality wrong? The person was offended by the question and called me a bigot for even putting the two together. Yet, you didn't even hesitate to do the same. Astonishing, absolutely astonishing!
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo So, how by "logic" or "science" can we determine whether or not a human having an attraction towards an animal is ok? In other words, where is the logic or reason in a human having a sexual attraction toward anything other than human?
Its untrue that Atheists have no basis for their morality. You are better than some but still wrong. Our morality is based on culture and utility. It evolved. The reasons are complex but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
In fact, Christians have no basis for their morality either. The morality of the bible is NOT the morality of most Christians. The assumptions of that day no longer hold.
I doubt that the term gay started off as a positive thing. Hell I was beaten up for being "gay" in the early 1980's. ;). The term brights is idiotic because it implies that a supreme intelligence is required to deduce God doesn't exist. In fact, a huge amount of creative intelligence and indoctriniation is required to come to the conclusion God might exist.
Being atheist doesn't have to mean hating God. It simply means not believing in God(s). Well, to be fair, I believe in the sun.
Atheist can have a moral basis she can be a follower of some philosophy
Atheist can believe in universal values
Atheist can believe in subjective morals
etc.
I'm sort of in the last group mentioned. I don't believe in universal good or evil in the way christians believe. I do think that all individuals capable of empathy will develope similar morals. This doesn't mean that I think anyone should do anything that feels good to them...a society like that wouldn't survive very long for one.
I am astonished that there are still adults in the world who don't understand basic morality.
If your religion is the only thing that you have to tell you what is right and wrong, I'm sorry but you are nothing short of a dispicable human being. If you can be called human at all.
5 quoting extreme atheist views and passing them as general atheist views is as bad as saying that every priest is a child molester, every muslim a terrorist, every christian an evil infidel. u r full of sjit..
4 when life is hard or hopeless religion CaN offer a disallusioned person something to cling to rather than give up. Spirituality is ok for some but organized religion is manipulative , biased ,inaccurate and some cases damaging.
3 What religion can do for the people of this world when it's not taking advantage of them, is offer them someone to count on when they hit bottom, and they lost faith in themselves .this is the ngle that u have to use
how ironic that a theist would use underage sex abuse to point the benefits of religion and the morals it bestows on its followers,with all the priests accused of sex abuse, church covering it up, married evangelists exposed having gay double lives etc. you are the typical religious hypocrite that has made millions question the fairy tales.
2 all of you warped hypocrites dont get that u are using the wrong angle. U are attacking atheists and probably the science that rightfully destroys your religion.
Religious people telling people about morals is like a priest asking to bath your child you may think he is doing you good but he is only thinking of what he is getting out of it.
ahhninjadragon 2 weeks ago
Apparent we all suffer from subjective moral notions, since, there would be no need to cherry pick from the bible, if it weren't so horrific for even believers to accept.
Does anyone consider stoning their kids moral?
Does anyone consider still consider enslaving people to be moral?
The best this that can be said...humanity's overall notions of morals are getting better...no thanks to religion...which is generally among the last to accept social changes and the first to take ownership... :(
MyContext 4 months ago
Well, couldn't you say that Hitler is the very proof that society determines morals?
He and his regime managed to shift the morals of an entire nation in a very short time frame.
How did he manage that if society doesn't play a role in our views on morals?
Hitler didn't live in a society which wanted to take over the world - he CHANGED the society he lived in!
And yes, societies constantly sit down and agree what is socially immoral - we call the end result "laws".
auritone 4 months ago
WTF
onceyonce 5 months ago
The bible also endorses slavery and that is what early American colonist used to justify it. It wasn't god who said slavery was wrong it was humans. Oh and Hitler was a Roman Catholic and the majority of Nazis were as well. Your argument is pointless because Islamic people believe in god ( and justify their actions with him) and that god tells them to FLY FUCKIN PLANES INTO BUILDINGS SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
trueChaos23 5 months ago
Morals don't come from a god. We know this. If god told you to murder random innocent children, you'd think that that is wrong, regardless of WHO dictates it to you.
7:10
Correct, and that is why we all still debate details of morality today!
Morality IS subjective, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. Just because people disagree on the morality of certain things does not somehow validate the bizarre pseudo-morality of your bible.
ThMrksman 6 months ago
what is a pastor ?
is it some kind of inferior priest ?
what are the qualifications to become a pastor ?
do you just have to have a loud voice & talk shit ?
just asking,
hawkertruffelsnout 6 months ago
Your wrong sorry.
wanabenerd 7 months ago
Interesting how this preacher gets upset because an atheist joins so many meetups or groups.
Have a monthly meeting is hardly comparable to a 2 times a week get together of the christians or the full time job of many preachers.
saintpine 8 months ago
Sory, but I don't see what's the big deal with any of the above. None of those questions are like ''A-ha'' / ''Gotchya'' They can all be simply answered with ''I don't know'' Not beliving doesn't make U theologian, phylosopher or deep thinker...but U can still be an Atheist
Aleksamson 8 months ago
In summary:
[M]orals, where do morals come from?
[U]niformity of nature, why are the laws of physics the same always and everywhere?
[C]oncepts and abstractions, why are there abstract universal laws (math/logic)?
[H]uman dignity. Humans are not animals.
That's it. Could you put this in the description box?
FHomeBrew 9 months ago
@FHomeBrew ''Humans are not animals''
That is why muscle for muscle, bone for bone, we are the same as a Chimp. 98.6% the same DNA.
What do you think we are, a plant? Fungus?
gregrutz 8 months ago
@gregrutz Uhh, my comment was more or less a summary of the video, not my actual thoughts :P though some people do remind me of plants and bricks sometimes ;-)
FHomeBrew 8 months ago
For me its simple. I decide all my morals, and so does everyone else. We then create laws where the majority moral view (e.g. dont rape dogs) is banned. This system does work quite well, but obviously has its flaws (Hitler). But remember Hitler was a fascist, and most of what he did was not supported by the public, and was only supported because he miseducated them about Jews etc... so its unfair to attack societies ability to make morals based on Hitler.
This is true if you think about it.
markgg1 9 months ago
@markgg1 This would also mean that if Hitlers views were accepted by the public (in germany, europe or on any scale you could call a society) that the holocaust would be morally justified in that moral framework. I was gonna say that "morals can be wrong even if the society that holds them thinks they're right" but then, who am I to judge as part of such a moral society which can be judged by Hitler and his minions?
FHomeBrew 8 months ago
@FHomeBrew "who am I to judge as part of such a moral society...."
It is quite difficult to judge the 95% Christian German population on their behavior during WW2.
There was no free media, no one had a global view of the situation, the majority even if against Hitler, would never have the guts to come out alone, and any criticism or gathering was immediately put to an end.
There is no way we could say, it was morally accepted.
It could very well have been seen as a necessary immoral choice.
saintpine 8 months ago
@saintpine True. But hypothetically if they all accepted the new imposed morality, then what you've said earlier would actually make their and hitlers behaviour good and moral behaviour. More over, it would make our behaviour immoral because we're not racists. (at least I'm not :p and I'm guessing you're neither). That was mainly my point.
FHomeBrew 8 months ago
@FHomeBrew "hypothetically if they all accepted the new imposed morality, then what you've said earlier would actually make their and hitlers behaviour good and moral behaviour."
It could be the case, I could very well have been brainwashed to believe it myself.
I still don't understand how a majority Christian nation like the USA, can accept massacres perpetuated by their own Christian soldiers, like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
How can they kill tens of thousand to get one man ?
saintpine 8 months ago
@saintpine I don't think that's in the name of Jesus or religion though. Unless Sarah Palin and the likes are on the military top (she said it was a holy war so..)
FHomeBrew 8 months ago
@FHomeBrew " I don't think that's in the name of Jesus or religion though."
I convinced it was not in the name of Jesus or religion, nevertheless the christian men doing these terrible actions where capable of finding a justification for their behaviou.
saintpine 8 months ago
@saintpine So you're implying that their religion (regardless of the flavour) did not give them the moral guidance not to kill other humans. Well there are atheists in foxholes too, no matter what the christian mantra's say. Everyone in the military has a justification for joining the army.
FHomeBrew 8 months ago
@FHomeBrew "So you're implying that their religion (regardless of the flavour) did not give them the moral guidance not to kill other humans."
What I'm trying to understand is why and how a Christian could convince himself to kill people without even trying a peacefull tactic, kill them for no personal reason, no defence, simply to respect orders.
Why aren't there any christians that refuse to pull the trigger ?
On the same basis, we should analyze Nazi Germany.
saintpine 8 months ago
@saintpine People in the Nazi army might have been proud to be in the army because of propaganda. Or they might have been forced into the army, killing others in fear of retribution from within the military (severe penalties etc).
Also, there probably are christians who refuse to pull the trigger and they might do so for several reasons. A lot of christians don't own a gun nor are in or have been in the army.
And then of course there are those who do not consider their enemies to be humans.
FHomeBrew 8 months ago
Excellent video. My question is why are atheists generally so bad-mannered, negative, cynical, and sneering? Can they not just debate the points?
eyeboan 9 months ago
@eyeboan Im not sneering nor cynical. I have excellent manners :-) I like debating points. So a question for you. If your a christian, I know what you believe, but why do you believe it? i.e. what reasons do you have to believe your beliefs are true.
markgg1 9 months ago
@eyeboan It happens every time you debate a brainwashed, ignorant person or creatard. It gets so frustrating talking to stupid people who don't understad Logic or Science and won't look at any evidence or show evidence for a Their God.
gregrutz 8 months ago
Wait proof of god? oh false alarm
Chill197 9 months ago
lol this is why im not a atheist or christain nor do i practice any religion you got incredibley bad videos proving god does or dosent exist same with the facts another reason why is because the main faces of atheisism and christanity you got dumbasses like richard dawkins who cant watch his mouth and stupid christains like paul manata who contradict themselves therefor making the look like jackasses i think the most laughable person is frank walton ive actually read his sad blog
2keeko 9 months ago
@2keeko You are aware that the atheist potition is that the evidence for theism is weak that is it. As for people like richard dawkins they just calling theist out on there bullshit.
Chill197 9 months ago
The Society during Hitler DID NOT decide anything, it was not a democracy and Hitler couldn't care less about other opinions, he would even get rid of them.
saintpine 9 months ago
What worldview is there to atheism ?
saintpine 9 months ago
Nothing that is mentioned in this vid is even mildly defeating atheism. Give me 1 piece in this vid that you think makes atheism impossible and i'll refute it in a second.
joe80dmanizanerd 11 months ago
i have two items:
1. One would say that it could be dangerous to name Atheists and where they live on the internet. Atheists are targets of alot of anger and hate. Someone might take it upon themselves to find and hurt them.
2. Why does anyone care if a person does not believe in (a)god. How does it have any bearing on another persons life???
dingo2306 11 months ago
i think morality is a human invention that changes with time. what was wrong in bible days is not the same as the things that current bible thumpers call immoral. read about stoning children for not listening to there dad or killing people for working on sunday and tell me that there is an objective moral that is transcendent of any time table. (deuteronomy / exodus references)
andykoster1 11 months ago
Wrong there are not just two choices for understanding human morality. Plus you use pedophilia as an example and yet the bible does not mention any moral code in regards to paedophilia.
retortme 1 year ago
So to all the religious folks, if atheism is wrong which religion is correct? Since there are so many that ALL believe they are correct should I try each one till I find the CORRECT religion? Which heaven/moksha/nirvana/paradise is the best? When should I go to pray? All these questions are bullshit, just like religion. No one can prove which religion is correct, yet they all want my money, time, and some even want me dead. FUCK THAT NONSENSE.
MCLogikILL 1 year ago
@MCLogikILL Bro, there's an unbelievable amount of evidence pointing to Christianity. Even then, if you want to ignore the evidence, become a deist. At least you'll gain some intelligence back.
Walnut1871 1 year ago
Why is it that theists use the same strawmen arguments and circular reasoning dances when they try to go toe-to-toe with atheists?
TheGreaterGood80 1 year ago
The germans didnt want to take over the world. You're making a mistake there...
Do some research on 3rd reich. There is a difference between nazi's and germans.
VC106893 1 year ago
@DwaynHicks False. Do some research, there a couple atheist veteran groups.
VC106893 1 year ago
everything from nothing
great logic
Death2theNWO777 1 year ago
@Death2theNWO777 Everything from the expansion of the primoridal soup. No non-theist expounds "everything from nothing". That's the spin theists use in efforts to discredit the origins of the universe.
yourjunk420 1 year ago
@yourjunk420
so what is, the origin of the universe...
Death2theNWO777 1 year ago
Great question. Since matter can not be created or destroyed, it moves through cycles that are, basically, compressions and decompressions of energy. The primordial soup was a compression of substance that then decompressed giving us our universe. Science is ever moving to prove this concept, as this is the nature of science. As we observe the laws of nature, the understandings of the universe unfold. We are then capable of explaining these understandings through the surety of mathematics.
yourjunk420 1 year ago
@yourjunk420
ok so whats so hard to believe that a super natural spirit (God) created all...
had to come from somewhere...
had to be a very very intelligent being...
look at how complex and yet so simple and beautiful things work...
birth, how a tree grows from seed etc. awsome stuff
Death2theNWO777 1 year ago
@Death2theNWO777 Read a couple biology books :)
VC106893 1 year ago
@DwaynHicks a war for humanitarian rights? did you fight FOR people, or for your country, for oil? unfortunately, soldiers have little say in what they are deployed for. Im sorry you have been through hell, but then why worry about heaven. if hell really is on earth, why can't heaven be as well.
Any god would want one to value this experience called life, not to treat it as a waiting room. and BTW, you dont know what i've been through. no god would put a human through my past either.
pyro666926 1 year ago
@DwaynHicks When they are dying for oil, yeah you are right. fighting against genocide, infanticide, or the wholesale slaughter of humans, i sure as hell would... oh wait, thats what your god does! =D
I would do it faster than you likely would.
pyro666926 1 year ago
-cont- until all things have taken place. (Matt 5:17)"
And: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death (Matt 15:4-7)" (OT law)
Then there's 2 misc ones, one from timothy and one from john.
"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness... (Tim 3:16)"
Or "Did not Moses give you the law?, and yet none of you keepeth the law. (John 7:19)"
Just my 2 cents on it, I think we can atleast agree to disagree ;)
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
And even if not literal, there is no context or non-literal meaning that would make the stories anything less than sickening.
The OT contains around 600+ laws (not just 10 commandments) and according to the bible jesus himself said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, -cont-
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
But keeping the virgin women and girls for themselves, the list goes on.
"Too many Christians are enamored with the Old Testament and Revelations but ignore the Gospels, which are really the only parts any Christian should live by."
Sorry, that's cherry-picking.
While there is indeed stuff in there that isn't literal, there are alot of horrifying things in that book that can't be taken any way but literal.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
As for the OT, when it speaks of slavery, human sacrifice (like the guy that promised god to sacrifice the first person to come out of his house, knowing it would be his daughter, if god would let his army win the battle), mass-murder in the name of god or done by him personally, the killing of cattle because a group of people was so "corrupt" that the cattle had to go aswell.
Killing all the men, and women that had known a man's touch.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
Nope, omniscience isn't required for my arguements, my main point is moral objection, not lack of foresight on god's part, that was just an extra point I wanted to make.
As for what you said about death, purely speculation.
Even if an afterlife would be better, that still doesn't make this life torture (I happen to quite like my life :P).
As for hell, it was added later on, but that doesn't change that it's being taught and "sold" as truth.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
Not a single uncorrupted person would worship such a god (yet 1/3 of the world does), if he even were to exist.
However, just the belief in a god with no dogma or religious biggotry is fine with me (the way I suspect you believe), the odds still aren´t exactly in favor of it but hey, who knows.
Note btw part of my comment doesn´t show here, go to ''view all comments'' for the full string.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
You mentioned a prime example for this (and one of my main objections to christianity), ''a being who is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and all-loving''.
Yet he commits and orders others to commit the most horrible crimes imaginable.
How can any sane person call such a being all-loving and have no moral objection to (for example) non-believers and gays burning for ever?
Or in case of moral objection still accepting it and worshipping the prick that does it.
Seymour13 1 year ago
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@CommonRaven
And the fact that existance well... exists, does not make it probable that a concious force was behind it.
Perhaps what many call god was just an occurance, an event (big bang?), not a being.
''the inability to accept a scientific theory is grounds, in your mind, for treating people with disrespect and disdain''
Nope, the ludicrous belief and it's teachings are grounds for that.
Seymour13 1 year ago
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Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
Oh, and I wouldn't torture people for ever just for not believing in me or for being gay.
THAT is why I´m morally superior to the christian god.
As for the burden of proof, it depends which side is asking.
One side makes an unfalsifiable claim, the other side rejects it due to lack of evidence to support it.
But there is indeed no certainty in that equation, just possibility and probability.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
The god of the bible isn't all-loving and he sure isn't omniscient (adam/eve/apple) (abraham/isaac/testoffaith).
He´s not omnipotent either, hence the need for the logically inconsistent jesus loophole for our ''sins'' (one of many examples) instead of just forgiving.
I would, in contrast to the christian god, never order or even condone (human-)sacrifice, slavery, mass-murder, rape, and I sure as hell would NOT personally kill each and every person on the planet.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
Some atheists get frustrated, or "angry" if you will, because it's nigh impossible to have a religious discussion with a devout religious person, I hardly even bother nowadays.
It always comes down to circular reasoning and shifting the burden of proof to us.
Also, I'll asume that the god you're talking about is the christian god.
Asuming he did exist and I did believe, why would I worship a god with morals inferior to my own?
If I believed I'd call him out on doing a shitty job.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven
You got it backwards, to admit we're not the product of design, that we are no better than any other form of life on this planet, that we aren't some special favorite of some skydaddy and that this entire world and everything in it wasn't made for us to rule over is the only humble position.
"and humility is something the human ego detests."
Hence alot of religious people still deny evolution, their ego won't let them think anything other than that they were specially created.
Seymour13 1 year ago
@CommonRaven Ne'er a truer word spoken.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
First of all your channels name(Atheism sucks) shows your immaturity and as for Morals?.I think just reading deuteronomy in the bible should be very enlightening to just how IMMORAL!!!! Your Delusional god is!!!.Also you really made a flawed mistake by using Hitler as an example of a society ruler with him being a Roman Catholic and using references from the Bible to justify his rain of terror.YOUR ARGUMENT IS SEVERELY WEAK!!!!.
oemfx1965 1 year ago
So what what you're saying is basically that I should believe in god in order to prevent women from having sex with animals?
jensfuckinghansen 1 year ago
Religion is a logical failure.
It cannot be defended without resorting to weird rationalization and scripture.
Why is it that you always think that your religion is the right one an all the others are wrong.Hitler was catholic.Religion does not have better moral; Read leviticus and deurotomy. Religious people sleep with animals just as much than atheist. Almost no atheist in jail. Atheist have higher IQ. Religion starts wars.Religious people tend to prejudice: racist, sexist, homophobe
nononsenseinrational 1 year ago
@nononsenseinrational that's a cute response....but typical. ...even Dawkins admits the possibility of intelligent design. (note there is even a video here on youtube of him stating that!) Without God, there would be no morals. Please explain how morality 'evolved' if you can. Did religion start the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom? No, it did not. Your argument fails. All peoples exhibit prejudices!! It matters not if they are religious or not
sharc00 1 year ago
You christians Push your agenda all over politics why wouldn't there be backlash. Especially when such things as stem cell research is banned.
jfeltes 1 year ago
@garyzenuf Hitler was actually a darwinist..he grew up catholic but obviously didnt have the same views as catholics. Hitler used Darwins 'On the Origin of species by means of natural seletion or the preservation of favored races' as a basis for his murdering. Blonde hair blue eye humans is the favored race he wanted to see.
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
Stopped after 2 min, you're so full of shit I don't even know where to start, nor am I gonna try.
And judging from the comments, things don't exactly go uphill from that point on.
Calling it the "Atheistic worldview" and an "Ideology" just goes to show you have't the faintest idea what you're talking about (not uncommon among theists) and immediately disqualifies you from any discussion regarding atheism.
Well, seems I was right, facepalm at 4:20~33 and 5:16~19.
Stopped again at 5:20, I'm done.
Seymour13 1 year ago
Hitler was a pagon and a theist he believed in german power over all thats not atheism get it right and do your history. Definition of atheism lack of belief in gods and to maintain that belief it doesn't mean anything else don't assert more then what the definition is.
wachnathan 1 year ago
Atheism is just lack of belief i don't see evidence so i don't belief show some respect you converters your not compelling at all and not clever ether and i like being atheist your belief has nothing to other but guilt and false fantasy. I don't claim to be super smart but i trust my insticts on atheism period.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan so do u believe in the big bang theory as most athiest do..because there is no evidence for that either...theres plenty of evidence that God exists..it depends wheter u choose to accept the evidence or not.
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw Well if there is super spirits out there i haven't seen any of its super powers displayed yet so i don't see any reason to invoke it unless it asks to be from me because i refuse to accept books writen by men thats not good enough for me.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan all these science books are also writtin by men...theres no reason u dnt believe them tho. except for the fact president JFK told the world science was corrupted and then was killed for exposing them. truth is u dnt even have to believe in the bible to believe in a higher power. I jus wish that ppl wouldnt think that this universe our world our lives and relationships all came about outta nowhere randomly by chance. Take a look outside and ask urself how did this all get here..
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw Science works and is the only tool man has to use to discover his reallity and i don't see any reason to guess outside of mass,energy,space and time. I choose to take the universe on a gradient level like a science person should jumping from one step to the end of the material universe is usless and only produces confusion like the bible has already done. Take life one step at a time it will make more sence in the end and if you find god at the end of the tunnel then so be it.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan y not find God now so that wen u get to the end of the tunnel it wont be too late. let me say this...If God created the world and universe his knowelege must surpass human knowledge infinitley correct? The created(us) are no where near able to prove the existence of the creator(God) with science. we'll never enter heaven a.k.a another dimension in order to prove his existence ...but our best scientists kno there are other dimensions in the universe. but they didnt create themselves
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw I believe there is more evidence in reincarnation then heavan or hell not that i believe in it but that doesn't support your bible and the evidence isn't in your favor and i am sorry that you just can't accept (we just don't know) but i do. Look into your own thoughts and think for your self and stop listening to what barbaric people from the past tell you not everyone shares those thoughts and we don't like to be forced into a system that doesn't know what a god is anyways.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw If you believe in a god tell me why because you exist? and what are its attributes? No one on earth can discribe what a god really is everything you read is a mans idea of a creater if it doesn't exist in the material realm then you can't say it exists by definition because we don't have knowledge of this concept outside of our reality and i am sorry but god is unknown and shouldn't be invoked until there is certainty of this essence. FYI the bible doesn't prove a dam thing.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan So i guess you jus dnt believe history since u dnt believe wat ppl from the past AND present say about the bible. Albert Einstein, one of the smartest men ever believes there is a higher power if u look at science in a different perspective you will understand how science can show u evidence of God as well as the Bible. You dont have to believe in it all if u choose not to but i know i was born on purpose not by chance I have a reason im still here. I hope u accept it one day.
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw I don't think your even trying to understand me i don't disregard the idea of gods but i do think its just useless to invoke god in every thing we do and everything we say. Maybe there was a being that started it all but that being is gone somewhere else as far as i can tell so i don't see any reason to acknowledge it until it wants to be.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan ohh ok my fault i understand now...i dnt think its useless tho cuz for alot of ppl God is the basis for their morals. 10 commandments dnt lie cheat still killl committ adultery etc...things we mostly go thru on a daily basis. but im a pretty devout christian i dnt even wanna hear about God all day everyday that would be a lil too much for me.
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw We contain morality with in us its your guilt that makes you think there is a judge in the sky but really its you. I think beliefs act on these emotions such as guilt and fear to dictate your life but really it makes no since for a god to judge you after your no longer a liability to the living anyways. The best thing to do with killers and rapists is to make them nonexistent to the living where that they pose no more threat. People are sick and wrong to what more then that from them.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw When i say more i mean burning forever which there is no crime that deserves forever its not logical but i know we would like to see people punished for there actions and we do that with laws. I know that god didn't make hell for us but i don't believe the bible period but i am trying to help you understand that your belief doesn't make since with reality but if it makes you a better person and not a fanatic then more power to you that doesn't bother me at all.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan all human emotions such as fear and guilt dictate ppls lives whether no matter wat u believe in..it depends on how u were raised and wat u believe is right and wrong. i do kno for a fact if everyone in the world followed jesus' teachings of love and brotherhood this world would be significantly better..not perfect tho because all ppl have flaws. i dnt agree that murderers n rapists deserve to die i think jail is ok only thing is jail needs to be more rehab'ish and less destructful
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
i think the creator of this world put all ppl here for a reason...if u live a good life you get rewarded if u choose to steal kill rape all your life u get ur consequence. now i dnt act like i understand God and his actions fully because the created can never fully understand the creator. but i kno after i accepted God i became a better person. now reality is a perspective issue the reality of ur life may not be the same as the next person.
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw Well reading the bible dictates your beliefs your taking the words of men you never knew or met as being special or something. Life gives reward in the here and now and life deliveries right here in life what you put into it you get back some people call it karma i call it a natural cause yes its unexplained but it is observable in your life everything you think happens in the after life actually happens in life, It can be good or bad you decide god doesn't interact in your decisions.
wachnathan 1 year ago
my belief doesnt make sense with YOUR reality. you dnt kno wat things ive seen heard and been through...everyone on this earth does not have the same reality. everyone sees the world differently through their own 2 eyes.
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw Your living your life through the ideas of the bible and you seem to be stuck in that reality which men made up with a clever story to get you buy into it. I don't hate christians at all i hate the false dogma that has given you a false delusion of our reality because they have filled that empty void of knowledge with there own made up ideas. If your bible was legit we wouldn't have people like me that question it and see they huge error of its doctrine and its not the devil ether.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan jus because ppl like u dont agree with it doesnt mean its not legit.....darwins theory of evolution has been called legit for years n now thousands of phd scientists dnt agree with it...is it tru or not idk ive never seen animal evolve so at the end of the day the masses of the ppl on earth are told wats tru or not by high ranking ppl of our society past n present. once we take matters in our own hands to find the truth we'll never undoubtedly kno absolute truth.
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw I am not a darwin follower i am independent i go with what i study for myself and yes i too think we are to complex to be part of that chain of evolution but i don't claim to know the truth i acknowledge that we just don't yet isn't that a fair position?
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan yea it is. i totally understand ur postion...atleast ur open to kno the truth
60zOutlaw 1 year ago
@60zOutlaw I should say books that claim to be inspired by gods or try to dictate mans beliefs.
wachnathan 1 year ago
Atheism is not an ideology
VaiRoth 1 year ago
i watched 2 minutes of this and thought i must have misread the title of this video. cuz after 2 minutes in, oraganised religion was defeated when the guy said 'which God'.
BittaPudge 1 year ago
Suppose I say the French king is good. He is the objective law giver. All laws come from the French king and he condones genocide, unconsensual sex with married women and human sacrifice.
You might want to say the king is bad. But he decides the law. For the king to be bad the law would have to come from beyond him. As a good democrat you would want to revolt against this king and say even the king must be subject to the law.
How is this different to God?
Ah, but there is no King of France.
sangokuu231 1 year ago
If Pastor Gene makes his living from preaching then reason and evidence is bad for business. Make your case, show me credible evidence for the existence of god and maybe I'll go back to church, get all my friends and neighbors to join, and give 10% of my money...
paulypooper2 1 year ago
Brights sounds so much better than atheist just like gay sounds better than sodomites.
Billosophy101 1 year ago
TheoreticalBullshit and his two latest videos destroys this series totally
MoveOrder 1 year ago
more votebotting by athetist
animefan2k9 1 year ago
@animefan2k9 no, its because this vid (as with ALL theist/creationist videos) is full of fallacies
blazereef 1 year ago
Another failure video. Short and simple.
VenomFrogX 1 year ago
i love these videos that claim to refute atheism once and for all yet have the same redundant arguments that are so full of holes its not even funny.
espyd21c 1 year ago
Mr. Cook does a good job raising a few of his own straw men arguments. Poor arguments at best.
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mistermoen 1 year ago 8
Still waiting on that whole pesky "proof of anthropomorphic being in the sky who controls everything" thing, so atheism isn't defeated
TheGreaterGood80 1 year ago
Plus, we still can't communicate with animals very well so actually bestiality is immoral because there is no way to know whether the feeling of lust is mutual or not. Similarly, about NAMBLA, children are usually considered to be in a phase of life where they are just learning about society and have not understood about it well enough. So using their innocence as an excuse to have sex will be considered wrong. But I do agree that most atheists don't have consistent philosophies for morality.
Achilles9924 1 year ago
So you think ants and bees also believe in GOD?? Social order is well maintained among ants and bees, so is it likely that ants and bees are also theistic?
Achilles9924 1 year ago
Morality comes out of the conflict between the order of human consciousness and unconscious impulses. Morality is SUBJECTIVE. It changes and grows as WE change and grow as human beings. Without subjective, human-based, morality we would never learn anything.
Taking responsibility for our behavior and learning from our mistakes is a mark of maturity. Looking to an authority figure for moral guidance is what CHILDREN DO!!!!
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
4. Human dignity is created by social norms. These norms, such as wearing clothing, were formed as a practical 'guide' to survival (clothes keep you warm/protected from the environment). The use of clothing quickly became the norm, and a social stigma towards nudity formed when humans began to see one another naked less of the time.
LikeALeadZeppelin 1 year ago
1. Religious texts and cutsoms are filled with atrocious rules pertaining to 'morals', such as killing disobedient children, and female circumsision (male when done religiously, however the debate continues as to its medical benefits or lack thereof).
2. The laws of nature are uniform because matter and energy behave in predictable ways. This is why they are laws in the first place.
3. Again, universal laws are simply the explanation of the uniform 'behaviour', if you will, of matter/energy.
LikeALeadZeppelin 1 year ago
I think you're misrepresenting why they want the name change. See, we're constantly called Atheists in a negative sense, with a negative context. Some atheists, as I've seen, want to change their title as by a way of showing instead not what they don't believe in, but what they do believe in. (Rational logic, physical evidence) So that they can form sort of a more positive outlook, and so that they can stop being so flagrantly misrepresented and called a religion.
Jinxerz010792 1 year ago
This is all garbage. It's funny how atheism is blown completely out of proportion by the religious. We simply don't believe in God. Get over it. If your God is so much more powerful than us all, than he doesn't need defence from his followers. Kick back, relax, and leave us be.
mercy35687 1 year ago
i find it weird that anybody can still believe in any religion when science has proven them wrong in many fields..before science sickness was caused by demons, the rain was caused by god, and god created the earth 6000 years ago...the earth was all we knew 1000 years ago ..now that science has discovered our massive universe all of the sudden god created the entire universe
Dustencumbie 1 year ago
people have never sat down and decided what was or not socially acceptable? ummmmm.... congress? why can't gay people be married? why can't i (legally) smoke pot?
rysw19 1 year ago
You do realize you are violating the privacy of these people by making a list of hated atheist on the net like that. Then you associate them with nazism, bestiality and pedophilia. What next? Setting up a place and date for a mob to burn their houses?
So M.U.C.H. for "human dignity"
VincentPhil 1 year ago
Do you realize you are invading the privacy of people by doing such a list of hated atheists in the area. Then you associate them with nazism. What next? Giving date and address for a bunch of people to go and burn their houses?
So M.U.C.H. for "Human dignity
VincentPhil 1 year ago
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So much of this annoys me. I'll will only argue about the morals in society as otherwise I could sit here all night.
This video suggests that society just came into being, however, societies developed from groups of hunter gatherers settling down in groups which eventually settled. When you see it like this, the idea of universal morals in a society does not seem so spontaneous
I really wish I could talk to these people who has an incorrect view of atheism and yet feel they can deconstruct it
treadmill666 1 year ago
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treadmill666 1 year ago
Atheism is not a religion. People should stop treating it as one.
iridium249 1 year ago
@iridium249 I agree 100%, Religious people will often "insult" Atheism by giving it all the attributes of their religion. Does that make sense? Of course not. I gave up on religious people making sense along time ago.
joestl314 1 year ago
Ok, firstly, morals come from evolution if you had any issue about where morals come from. As professor Nash showed, generally, co-operation and morality are in the individuals best interest, therefore would be promoted by evolution. Secondly, Provide some actual proof that morals are not subjective. All you've done is judge some actions immoral by todays standards, morals change. And Hitler was Christian! Also, even if you did prove objective morality, so what? that would prove OM, nothing else
logicalmind4 1 year ago
Brights are coming strong - and there is nothing you can do nothing about it.
illywacker1 1 year ago
And the priest that molests children? Where did religious morals come into play?
Having sex with a dog and killing it, is sickening, and I am sure 99.9% of all people, atheists or christians would agree.
The speaker forgot to mention, the 18 year old that had sex with that dog was a priest, and NAMBLA group is made up of 80% of christians. Ok, I made that last sentence up, but, I am sure there would be plenty of religious people committing immoral acts.
World Trade Centre ring any bells?
Futureplanet 1 year ago
I'll never say there is no god...........I don't know..........the books are not the tellings of god I'd bet my life on it.
Thulgore 1 year ago
@Thulgore if you believe in hell too, it's no wonder why.
rysw19 1 year ago
Hehe, im just going to stop here if your other videoes are made the same way. So wrong, that I dont even know where to start.
Anyway, have fun.
B1aDK 1 year ago
I don't think this speaker understands what a 'straw man' argument is.
portantwas 1 year ago
and at 4:59, "he's contrasting faith and reason as if they are antithetical to one another" I think that's a pretty easy one. Faith is a belief in something in the absence of supporting facts, but reason requires support. Rational thought & science basically say "if you can't back it up with hard facts, don't say it is true."
Ebzhent 1 year ago
3:01 this little aside about changing names smells a little like a holier-than-thou attitude. Something like a rephrased "aha, we gotcha! you're trying to disguise yourself!"
Well, I hate to say it, but creationism (I mean Intelligent Design, please forgive me) did pretty much the same thing. Truth is, this happens all the time, in a variety of situations. How many companies or corporations can the reader think of that have either changed their name, their logo, or their mascot?
Ebzhent 1 year ago
there´s no way to "defeat " an athiest if u don´t provide an unquestionable evidence of god existece...
deadbody999 1 year ago
Let me ask this regarding morals: Who is a better person? An athiest who tries to do good for others purely out of his own kindness, or a religious person who only does good because he is afraid to be punished for all eternity by a "loving" god?
Seems like religious morals are just a cover for human greed and selfishness to a large extent.
Not even going to touch on the plethora of things that are immoral today that various holy books and religions fully endorsed at the time of writing.
lotrrocks0 1 year ago 2
@lotrrocks0 Let me ask YOU this regarding morals? "Atheist who tries to do good" What is 'good'?
CJNecros 1 year ago
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You're fixated on that same question across vids, aren't ya? Repeating the same crap: What is "good"? What is "good"? 24/7. You need an answer that is simplistic enough to penetrate into that 6 inch skull of yours.
Just go look up the word "good" in a dictionary. It's not some profound question that needs to be addressed.
dlorp1 1 year ago
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I burst out laughing when I saw this. This blathering idiot keeps visiting videos with the exact same question, "What is good?",
He thinks that he is addressing some deeply profound issue. I've tried to educate him before, but with no avail. Explanations outside the Bible count as "running".
The best way to deal with this wannabe-philosopher nitwit is to direct him to a dictionary.
dlorp1 1 year ago
Why do these conversation always come back to Hitler? The Holocaust isn't just something you can use to make a shallow point about morality. What a dick!
AlexanderDGraham 1 year ago
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Atheism is the logical position when you look at the probability of a deity existing. As and atheist you do not need to have all the answers(more logical to just say "i don't know" then to assume you can or do know without evidence).
You do not need to even believe in evolution to be and atheist, some will also say there might be or might not be a god and give it the 50/50.
Probability wise there is less then 1% chance that a deity exist and that is fact beyond ones own opinion.
CondorDM 1 year ago
this guy is a idiot
123columbo123 1 year ago
So you're basically telling what a few atheists in your area believe. So? You really cracked me up when you started jabbering about the "god of atheism". How stupid can you get.
Morality stems from the fact that human beings are social animals. Religion derives its morality from that, not the other way around--which also explains why the same rules apply to very diverging societies.
And one more thing: Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
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Religion is dwindling worldwide
as education becomes universal.
Primitive man thought that thunder was the shouting of gods,
that lightning was the spears of gods,
that the eclipse was god turning out the lights.
As science explains more and more natural phenomena
there are fewer and fewer dark corners of ignorance
for god(s) to hide in.
Education dissolves Religion.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Thanks means alot.
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I never said you weren't that interesting. On the contrary, I thought we were having a very interesting conversation, and really? C'mon, youre a zoophile for crying out loud, and the first one I've ever spoken to at that. If that isn't interesting, I don't know what is. Im not saying you've converted me to thinking its right, but its interesting nonetheless. If there is anyone boring or dull, its me, after all I am a Jesusfreak remember? Were not exactly popular, you know.
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Ok, my mistake, but here's something I don't understand. If in fact overpopulation is such a concern, why are scientists working so hard in developing cures or experiments to prolong man's already really short life span?
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo You said earlier its wrong for humans to kill animals, but its not wrong for man to determine the life or death of people? Your ideology is that you don't see any real purpose for man's existence. The environment is going to be fine, it's mankind I'm worried about, and the more mankind adopts your humanistic consesus, the more I fail to see any hope whatsoever for our survival.
zmode82 1 year ago
Homosexuality and beastiality does a little more than slow the population, it ceases it. I beleive every person has right to live,and I dont think overpopulation is the cause of all the trouble for humanity. I beleive its mankind's sinful nature i.e. pride, greed, hatred, and corruption that does more damage to our society than anything else.
zmode82 1 year ago
I beleive we can overcome all the evil in the world with good. Unless we humble ourselves by loving one another, loving our enemies, forgiving those who sin against us, even if they dont deserve it. Now, you may laugh, but as long as we still hold to the idea that we own the place, we will never see any real progress.
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I was pretty sure that's what you meant. However, population control isn't something man shouldn't be something man ought to determine or control, and to be consistent with your ideology you would have to concede that death by a disease is a good thing bc its really just another means which contributes the problem you have with too many people. I mean, don't get me wrong I love animals, just not enough to be rid of people.
zmode82 1 year ago
Sorry, I mean, population control isnt something that man should determine or control, is what I meant to say.
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Population control, hmm! so if a zoophile dies by zoonoses, that's a good thing, bc hey! its one less human taking up space, is that correct?
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Ok, fair enough, however, there is a purpose for experimenting on animals, but I see no purpose(other than sexual lust) for beastiality. Unless, I am wrong, what other purpose for this behavior is there? I am failing to see how it helps the good of humanity. I mean, science should be able to answer the question I asked earlier, why should a human have a sexual attraction towards an animal?
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Well, I dont condone poaching and hunting for sport. However, scientists are experimenting on lab animals for cures to diseases to reduce suffering, yet earlier you said that was wrong. So, what would have them do experiment on humans instead? Aren't they making a reaonable decision by sacrificing the lives of pests in the attempt to advance human life?
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo It wasn't supposed to be a compliment or an insult. The point I'm trying to drive home, is that in a humanistic consesus just about anything can be acceptable, but where do we draw the line? Are we just supposed to consider anything man accepts as acceptable just bc it makes them feel good?
zmode82 1 year ago
Maybe I'm asking the wrong question or something, so here's another one: Why should a human be sexually attracted to an animal? What is the purpose or rather the sense in that?
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Irony is so rich. I was called a bigot once for doing exactly the same thing you just did in your last comment. All I did was ask the individual, if homosexuality is ok, then why is beastiality wrong? The person was offended by the question and called me a bigot for even putting the two together. Yet, you didn't even hesitate to do the same. Astonishing, absolutely astonishing!
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Ok, so then why is it ok for a man to have a sexual attraction with another man, and not a woman?
zmode82 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo So, how by "logic" or "science" can we determine whether or not a human having an attraction towards an animal is ok? In other words, where is the logic or reason in a human having a sexual attraction toward anything other than human?
zmode82 1 year ago
dude, this narrator knows waaaay too much about bestiality
FluffyFeralMarmot 1 year ago
Its untrue that Atheists have no basis for their morality. You are better than some but still wrong. Our morality is based on culture and utility. It evolved. The reasons are complex but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
In fact, Christians have no basis for their morality either. The morality of the bible is NOT the morality of most Christians. The assumptions of that day no longer hold.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
I doubt that the term gay started off as a positive thing. Hell I was beaten up for being "gay" in the early 1980's. ;). The term brights is idiotic because it implies that a supreme intelligence is required to deduce God doesn't exist. In fact, a huge amount of creative intelligence and indoctriniation is required to come to the conclusion God might exist.
Being atheist doesn't have to mean hating God. It simply means not believing in God(s). Well, to be fair, I believe in the sun.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
Yes, all would have high view of rationality.
Activism? In general, most atheists are disinterested in activism!!! When you go to meet ups tho, you may get a biased sample.
Atheism isn;t "unconventional".
I hate the term brights, its sounds stupid.
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
Atheist can have a moral basis she can be a follower of some philosophy
Atheist can believe in universal values
Atheist can believe in subjective morals
etc.
I'm sort of in the last group mentioned. I don't believe in universal good or evil in the way christians believe. I do think that all individuals capable of empathy will develope similar morals. This doesn't mean that I think anyone should do anything that feels good to them...a society like that wouldn't survive very long for one.
MsGrrargh 1 year ago
I am astonished that there are still adults in the world who don't understand basic morality.
If your religion is the only thing that you have to tell you what is right and wrong, I'm sorry but you are nothing short of a dispicable human being. If you can be called human at all.
Explain yourself!!
mightyampersand 1 year ago
5 quoting extreme atheist views and passing them as general atheist views is as bad as saying that every priest is a child molester, every muslim a terrorist, every christian an evil infidel. u r full of sjit..
dangermous1968 1 year ago 5
4 when life is hard or hopeless religion CaN offer a disallusioned person something to cling to rather than give up. Spirituality is ok for some but organized religion is manipulative , biased ,inaccurate and some cases damaging.
dangermous1968 1 year ago
3 What religion can do for the people of this world when it's not taking advantage of them, is offer them someone to count on when they hit bottom, and they lost faith in themselves .this is the ngle that u have to use
dangermous1968 1 year ago
how ironic that a theist would use underage sex abuse to point the benefits of religion and the morals it bestows on its followers,with all the priests accused of sex abuse, church covering it up, married evangelists exposed having gay double lives etc. you are the typical religious hypocrite that has made millions question the fairy tales.
dangermous1968 1 year ago
2 all of you warped hypocrites dont get that u are using the wrong angle. U are attacking atheists and probably the science that rightfully destroys your religion.
dangermous1968 1 year ago
This didn't defeat atheism, its old stuff that's already been debunked
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD ....the truth debunks the lie of athiesm
GaryLyons 1 year ago
truth of which specific religion?
If a truth from a religion debunks "the lie of atheism" it also debunks the lies of all but 1 religion.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago