ALDE, Greens, Socialists challenge Ashton in debate over Egypt

[DaFreak4ever]

If we believe in freedom we should let this be known. The people of Egypt fight that good fight. The fight for freedom that we all take for granted. I am not talking about actually pulling strings. What we are doing now is turning a blind eye because we are afraid of change. All we have to do is state our support to the people and their quest for change. If we would actively try to negotiate a transition behind the curtains we destroy that notion of "the power belongs to the people."

[pilhamu]

Verhofstadt talks nonsense when he asks for "unreserved support" and says people in Egypt "ask for no more than our support". Our support or lack thereof has very little influence. Also, the question is not what the people on the streets want but what is likely to prevail in a revolution.

[pilhamu]

Adrian Severin said very succintly why it is difficult to find a right reaction to this.

Verhofstadt's simplistic moralising is incredible. The association to 1989 does not lead to any moral imperatives, even less so than to Teheran 1978. Even democrats can take a hard look at the opposition and decide that the ruling autocracy is the lesser evil.

[pilhamu]

@EUXTV please provide the videos in original speaker's voice! Translation can be provided in the form of subtitles.

[bbphnix]

I read that the developed world use to present Tunisia as a model for the islamic world, for its western-style society.... alleged western style society....

what a bunch of collective dickheads.... tunisia, an authoritarian regime, THAT was a model? what about Turkey? you want an islamic democracy? check out Turkey, dumb-asses....now THAT'S a model for the islamic world

[poodlesusan]

From the video info: "...groups...challenged...EU's (lack of) response.". Yeah, great turn out there, place is really jumpin pffft. Pathetic.

Thank you very much for giving time marks for english

[DefendYourFreedom]

Let the people of Egypt sort their own government out, the E.U. is not representive of a democratic environment, nor can they decide for the Arab people whats in their best interest.

Stay the fuck away.

[EuropeanBrit]

@DefendYourFreedom veeeeeryyyy mature.

[DefendYourFreedom]

@EuropeanBrit

Using sarcasm to put someone off as juvenile,... now thats very mature.

I dont mind you expressing your mind, but if you think i'm acting immature, you might wanna give a proper example of how you think people should behave or respond to one another.

If you think i said something wrong, take it out on the message, not the messenger or the means of messaging. Is that adult enough for you?

[EuropeanBrit]

@DefendYourFreedom well in my view swearing on a youtube video is immature?

[DefendYourFreedom]

@EuropeanBrit

Swearing and cursing are religious concepts, i believe in neither of them. I deal in expletives. Also picking up some cognitive dissonance since you and i know it is part of adults and their jargon. We dont learn to speak from children, its the children who learn to speak from us. Your analogy is based on a fallacy.

When i use the word "fuck" it functions as an exclamation, i'm not making poopoo jokes. You shouldnt fall over meaningless words that are used for other reasons.

[DaFreak4ever]

@DefendYourFreedom

that's kind of the problem though. They can't sort out their own government vecause it's a dictatorship that doesn't allow that. That's why Europe needs to send a clear message that the power belongs to the people and not to Mubarak. Sure it won't cause the change but it will put pressure on the kettle and strengthen the people of Egypt in their fight against this dictatorship.

[DefendYourFreedom]

@DaFreak4ever

They can sort out their own government, it will never be a clean fight, but they must rely on their own strength and numbers, and not on other governments like our European bureaucracy or the US. The messages they send out imply political intervention for governmental transition. This leaves room for other countries to install politicians who are sympathetic to the needs of the countries by which they have been installed. Egypt needs people who are sympathetic to their own folks.

[slim5782]

i still love Guy (verhofstadt) and ALDE

[EUXTV]

All in English:

02:30 Socialists & Democrats, Adrian Severin

05:07 ALDE, Guy Verhofstadt

09:43 Greens/EFA, Daniel Cohn-Bendit

[slim5782]

@EUXTV i'd alsow like to see the normal debate without the translation

[bbphnix]

@EUXTV thanks for the translations!!! do so for every video from now on, please!