Amityville Horror - Kathy Lutz on the 700 Club

[Scottsteaux63]

The house I grew up in had a ghost that walked the upstairs hallway. There were four of us in our family, and each of us heard the footsteps independently of one another and while alone in the house, as well as hearing them when we were all sitting in the living room watching TV.

The footsteps never entered any of the rooms, just up and down the main hallway. After a while we even joked about "the family ghost." We lived in that house for 20 years and the ghost was with us the entire time.

[Scottsteaux63]

I read Jay Anson's book when it first came out in 1977; I was only 14 and didn't question the claim that the book was "a true story." It was not until 5 years ago that I had occasion to reread it with a critical eye, and details aside, one thing is indisputable: the Lutzes moved into that house in December 1975 and fled 28 days later. We'll probably never know the whole story, but something happened in that house; people don't just flee a home like that after less than a month.

[Andromeda1741]

The next occupants of the house showed "Thats Incredible" (a show from a while ago - the episode is here on youtube) how the front door had never been blown out , and how old that door was, there were no signs of repair. Also, the police have no record of ever having gone to the house when the Lutz's lived there. As for the flies, they were there because the bodies of the Defeos were not taken out of the house for 48 hours, then the house was shut up and the heat was left on.

[jackmarshak]

Endured the torment of publicity LMFAO!!!

[ccipollini1984]

she has a pleasent voice. RIP Kathy.

[Tom6093]

It's obvious to me that George and Kathy went on as many shows as possible to tell their story. You would think if they did really go all through that, they wouldn't want to remember it. Why advertise your pain on National telivision, unless your looking for money. Why write a book about it and not ask for money. Why make a movie about it and not ask for money.

[daytraderfbf]

Kathy - The Cromarty's lived in that house for 10 years after you and stated that no supernatural activity occurred. Can you explain that?

[FriendshipTown]

@daytraderfbf Kathy died in 2004, so she can't answer you.

Is there a ghost rulebook which states a haunting must continue once it has started?

Who knows why hauntings happen or why they start and stop. Science can't even prove that ghosts exist, so I think we can stop pretending that we know how ghosts must behave.

[721rem]

@daytraderfbf its the blood line and also, just because it hasnt happened in ten years doesnt mean it isnt there. right now its dorment, waiting for an open door. i think its the bloodline. an indian explained that to me. also, the new family may be christains and its possible that there ARE things happening and they dont want to admit it and get all the media going again. there are many reasons why some are bothered and others arent.

[IrenaPrude]

@daytraderfbf Several generations could live in a house and nothing happens, the demons stay dormant for some reason, then someone triggers it, and then it starts again.

[vomit49894]

@IrenaPrude Have a degree in demonology do we?

[IrenaPrude]

@vomit49894 I wish. I wish I could go back to school.

[vomit49894]

@daytraderfbf Sounds unexplainable.....NOT!

[CAMARO30082]

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[kerryfox]

EASTER: Easter Bunny Birthday, yea!!!! It is like talking snakes on apple trees and invisible men in the sky. Or the 10s of millions of people he killed. OR the 100s of millions who have died in his name. So no I don't worship mass murderers thank you. But go right ahead, it is fun to watch such stupidity to science. lol But I love that bunny and Santa's B-day, Dec. 25th!

[TheOpenminded12460]

@TheOpenMinded12460 They should do an investigation to make sure that the parents were not committing fraud, as assumed for years. I think this is a classic case of fraud.

[FriendshipTown]

@TheOpenminded12460 "A case of fraud" would be an easy explanation for such a hard-to-believe story. I admit this story is hard to believe, but I've looked into the hoax theories for the better part of a decade now, and I have yet to find anything that really sticks.

I have a hard time believing in ghosts, but from what I see it seems the Lutzes are being truthful.

[daytraderfbf]

@FriendshipTown Had the thought ever occur to you that maybe they were full of shit?

They made a forturne off this.

[FriendshipTown]

@daytraderfbf Making money is indeed a plausible motive for someone to make up such a story; but the statements and actions of the Lutzes over the years don't seem compatible with that.

Writing a book about how your house is haunted is by no means a sure-fire way of making lots of money. Yes, it happened in this case, but can you name another?

The Lutzes made a good chunk of change, but not a fortune. The publishing company, Jay Anson, the filmmakers and producers are the ones who got rich.

[CelticBadBoyPoet7]

@daytraderfbf Actually Jay Anson Was the Dude That Cleaned up on The Book & Movie, The Lutzes Claim They Only Made About 300,000...But Considering That Everyone in the USA is Unemployed or Underemployed I Guess it is a Fortune....Also She Failed to Mention in This Interview That Both Her & George Were Heavily Involved in TM @ The Time They Were Living @ 112 Ocean Ave....And Anyone Who Knows Anything About The Occult, Knows U Can Channel Evil Spirits Through U When U Meditate.......

[daytraderfbf]

@CelticBadBoyPoet7 I knew Anson made money, but I also knew the Lutz's did too - not only on the book, but interviews, an episode of In search Of , etc. Do not know what TM is.

[CelticBadBoyPoet7]

@daytraderfbf TM-Transcendental Meditation...It Was Very Popular in The 70's....A Sad Footnote to The Jay Anson Story is....He Bragged to a Skeptic That he Was Going to Take His Earning From The Book & Movie, And Retire to a Tropical Island and Live a Life of Luxury....It Was Not Long After This Boast, That he Died of a Massive Heart Attack....So he Was Half Right...Someone Was Going to Live a Life of Luxury, it Just Wasn't Going to be Him.......

[721rem]

@TheOpenminded12460 no one leaves all the possessions and no one leaves a home they just brought in just under a month over small hauntings. something drove them insane and they ran with their lives. that isnt the type of hoax anyone can just pull off. I can see if they packed everything and took their time leaving but they didnt. they got the hell outa there. you can replace things and food but not your life or your children's lives.

[Styxhexenhammer666]

When Pat Robertson came on the screen I thought HE was possessed.

Then I realized I was right

[popazz1]

Shit,do those two presenters actually know how to read an autocue,lol! That guy's eyes were swivelling all over the place,lol!

[Thirdgen83]

What an absolute SCAM. People can be so gullible...

[DNKbutterfly]

PLZ REPLY! did her husband rly kill the dog and had mistaked it 4 a monster?

[FriendshipTown]

@DNKbutterfly - no, George Lutz didn't kill their dog and never threatened his family. He wasn't possessed as shown in the remake.

Even in the original 1979 movie, George wasn't shown as being possessed. Kathy feared he might be, and this was coupled with George seeing Kathy as a demon or monster or whatever. George ran into the house not to hurt the kids, but because he thought missy was in danger. He just happened to have the ax in his hand.

And none of that happened in real life.

[bandet888]

@FriendshipTown According to the Jay Ansons book version the family did have changes in their personaty. One time Kathy was in a trance.

[FriendshipTown]

@bandet888 Yes, the book mentions that, but that doesn't alter the fact that George did not kill the family dog (who is shown in photos of the family that were published months/years after the haunting), and that George was not possessed as depicted in the 2005 remake.

[bandet888]

@FriendshipTown Very true

[scumgod13]

@FriendshipTown The dog tried to hang itself the first day they moved in right?I believe something was there because of The Warrens, the Ghost Hunters.I believe in them and if they say something wasn't right in that house, something was Definitely wrong.

[sternii2202]

pat robertson - robert pattinson -> both the real horror

[xxxLibertinexxx]

Why does she state that windows and doors were blown in (like the movie and book state), yet there is no record of the police "checking it out" as she says, nor any evidence that suggests that those windows and doors weren't the originals when the Cromartys bought the house? They said that there was no damage to the windows or doors and that they were all original. They said Lutz lied. And every other owner since Lutz have never reported any "horror" other than fans of the book and movie.

[thegirl44]

I heard from a fellow that knows a guy who's dog's former owner knew George Lutz in California (Read the preceding sentence as: take this with the grain(s) of salt that it deserves) that George's only real property, as outlined in his will, was a house that had a current market value of about 360,000 dollars and two registered companies related to the Amityville franchise, one of which had not been used in years.

$360, 000 affords a pretty modest home in California.

[thegirl44]

It's also been widely reported that Kathy Lutz lived as a "charity case" (if you will) of a religious commune in Arizona (I believe, may have been Cali) until her death.

If I didn't know any better I'd go as far as to say that both of the Lutzs were pretty near destitute upon their untimely deaths, although, George could still afford lawyers.

This certainly substantiates their claims that Anson and his publishing house made out like bandits while the Lutzs profited very little from the story.

[lolabunny41378]

i think the real reason they ran out of the house 28 days later the bill payments that came in scared them silly and left running lol

[TGOx1]

Pretty scary stuff. Thanks for posting the vid!

[intrusosgang]

Great way to make money. Profit through hype.

[FriendshipTown]

Has ANYONE been able to substantiate a haunted house? Of course not. If they could, then we would be able to scientifically prove that ghosts exist.

[FriendshipTown]

EVP's and camcorders back in 1976?

The Lutzes were living in that house - they weren't there attempting to collect evidence. The only time evidence mattered to them was when people started calling them liars. In fact, I think it'd seem more like a hoax if they DID spend their time documenting everything as it happened.

[FriendshipTown]

Mortgage trouble? What bank would lend them the money if they couldn't afford the payments? This is 1975, not 2007!

The Lutzes had just sold their 2 previous houses, and claimed that gave them more money than the new home cost.

Plus, the easiest option would be to resell the house, not make up a ghost story and hope a publisher buys it and then hope the book becomes a major best-seller so that you'd get anything close to the money you needed.

And why give the house back to the bank?

[thegirl44]

George was also in the process of moving his company office into 112 Ocean Ave. which would have afforded more money saved on not paying rent or an additional business mortgage.

I don't think that there were money problems involved in the Lutz's leaving the house but I think that money had a lot to do with how much the story got manipulated in Anson taking it to print.

[FriendshipTown]

Wrong. That is NOT a quote by Jay Anson.

That is a claim made by William Weber (the defense attorney for murderer Ronnie DeFeo), made during the time he was attempting to sue the Lutzes for a share of the profits.

Weber has said he has taped recordings that prove his claim, but has never made them public, and the case was dropped. Weber had a clear profit-driven motive for falsifying that claim (which to this day has never been proven).

[FriendshipTown]

Yeah, when it comes to the Amityville case, I pretty much AM a know it all.

And you get the basic facts wrong. You are a "know nothing," confusing Bill Weber with Jay Anson.

Just because some people hold the opinion that the Lutzes had financial problems does not make it so. The Lutzes left Amityville and moved to expensive California, where they bought a new house. Does that sound like they had money problems?

[bluesuedeshuze7603]

Hmm, I have been reading these posts. So you expect that because you believe in the Amityville Horror that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong? The last time I checked this wasa free country and everyone has a right to their own opinion. If you can't accept that others have different opinions than yours then perhaps you should not post videos out here for people to comment on and then get upset when they disagree with you.

[FriendshipTown]

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, but I do have a problem when people state facts that are wrong.

It is a simple fact that this guy is misquoting Jay Anson with something Bill Weber said. And that makes a big difference in the case.

As for the rest, yes, a lot of it comes down to opinions. Are you suggesting I am not allowed to share my opinion as well?

[mbt777]

@FriendshipTown What facts? A fact is a known truth that is evident to ALL and EVERYONE, not just some and not because one heard something or saw or read something in a book. I suppose the bottom line is, we weren't there...so really we don't KNOW for sure what went on or didn't go on...it's a matter of whether you're willing to believe. I believe Entities are everywhere and if invited in by past residents or by the person themselves, they are more than happy to acquiese to the request or invite

[mbt777]

@bluesuedeshuze7603 Unfortunately...this isn't as free a country as you think...and if you have a right to your opinion, someone else has that "right" to shoot you down and say you're wrong for saying you believe or don't believe. Either way, that is what communication is...a bi-directional verbal way of relating to another person whether you agree or don't agree with what they are saying. It's healthy to have a debate, yes...and I can certainly see your point of view.

[benpalin08]

The real horror? Pat Robertson.

[x3lalalaa]

@benpalin08 Don't like him? Don't watch the video then. And keep your mean comments to yourself, kthanks.

[swordofscripture]

WOW that was a really AWESOME electric guitar riff in the intro!!! pffft...

[HunterSThompsonFan]

I would like to see the actual documentation of the door blowing off (which is "out" as Kathy tells it which more believeable) because that was one of the many things that I never believed. It's funny because what happens in a families home is something usually you hear rumors about and they won't tell. Here they tell you and you don't know what to believe. lol But there are people who have looked into this and if she says it's documented than maybe so.

[venomous666]

I'd like to know how you can logically come to the conclusion that putty shown on a film can lead you to believe that it's 50 years old?

[Riptidescool]

What I find puzzling, Is with the remake, Goerge and Kathy weren't interviewed to get the story right. Kathy Luts died suddenly during the filming and George died soon after. I don't know what to believe anymore, The Warrens or the hoax. It's a mixed up bag now. Funny thing though, Today, I bought Amitty 3-D.

[FriendshipTown]

George didn't want that remake made. The producers of the remake said it would be way more accurate than the original film, but that was a lie. The remake bears little resemblance to the original book.

[FriendshipTown]

Don't know. My guess is this aired sometime between 1990 - 1994.

[belloboi]

I heard it was true, that there was evil from Ronnie Defao who played with the occult down stairs in a small red room. He opened the doors of evil added to this it was built on an old indian grave yard and that murder. There was enough negative energy and the unrest of all the dead to haunt that place.I heard it was exorcised later and then newer owners stated that there was no haunting...and they were paid to say this..but who knows.

[kblur198]

it was a hoax!

[belloboi]

Have you ever lived in a house that was haunted? The picture of the boy on top of the stairs is real.....If you can prove this is a hoax with out a doubt the phsychic Lorain said she would give $3,000 to prove it...so far its all hear say...I believe its true

[kblur198]

The picture is as fake as the as is Lorraine Warren! Her & her husband once tried to exorcise a demonic cabbage patch doll??

I wouldnt doubt you believe its true! I mean you're watching the 700 club and believing what those nuts are hacking you about God?

[belloboi]

I dont believe in the 700 club, they are a nutty religous tv show. But that picture of that boy was varified to be real and not a fake. But I see your point,,,,,your one of Those types of people..thats okay too

[boardskins]

OMG! All Cabbage Patch Dolls are evil!

[TolstoyKafkaEvsky]

That's what it looks like.

[berkawoo]

The true horror of Amityville is the Amityville school district!

[phoenixfeldmanfan]

You do know she was sued for lying because in one of the videos one author said that they interviewed in a restraunt and she atleast had four drinks and was getting drunk during the interview and on google search amityville horror or hoax and she and the author were later sued for lies because new owners moved in and they are still living in it today and didnt experience anything she did

[FriendshipTown]

No, I don't know that, because its not true.

The Cromarty family bought the house a year after the Lutzes fled. When the book came out, they sued the Lutzes for invasion of privacy and lost. Later they sued the Lutzes again and the case was settled out of court.

The Cromartys sold the house in 1987. The family that bought it lived there until 1997. The people who bought it in 1997 are still living there.

It had nothing to do with whether the haunting was real or not.

[MauricioPerez1969]

my house where i used to live in from 1985 to 1988 was "haunted" what ever that means. Everyone in our house got spooked real bad, including me, bed shaking and more.

I dont believe in Ghost, i believe God, (Jesus). and we have seen and felt what demons are. Were not religious fanatics, what happen in our house is real. we dont really share this story with many people.

[IronJustice08]

Really? you mean you dont share that story with many people besides the 21,194 people that have viewed this video!! remind me not to tell you any secrets! lmao!

[flatcapman]

I belive their story NOT the book or the movies as the kind of evil they faced can either show itself or it can hide. How do you explain why they were cursed with the evil for 7 years AFTER they left the house???? Its a bad place and a gateway to worse

[flatcapman]

Cmon guys if the Lutz's wanted money wouldnt it had been easier to burn the house to the ground and claim insurance instead of a ghost story that would make them look crazy???

[GorillaPHX]

Wow two for one on fictional garbage, the Lutz's and Pat Robertson!

[Trycruces]

I met George Lutz in Phoenix and he was very clear that most of the movie and book was exageration of events. He said very scary and strange things happened there but not even close to the movie.

[AmusedChild]

Only problem, Kathy - the police report that the door was never blown out or damaged in any way, and now George Lutz says he "always had problems" with the film's accuracy. Do these people not remember what they claim from one moment to the next?

[kcdesert05]

Robertson is an ass.

[mikemanners11]

Wow THis is seriously 80's

[DNRealKIRA]

i wanna live in that house!!!!!!!

[flatcapman]

Are you JOKING??? Seriously you must have a real death wish to want to live there. If the evil doesnt kill you it will drive you insane. Do you want to share the same fate the Lutzs had? Pure evil like that is def NO joke. But its your choice and you will belive when it attacks you and IT WILL

[adanedhel728]

Wow, this is NOT something I would expect Pat Robertson to discuss.

[alaniator]

Take a look at the pic shown during the interview at 2:51 min and 2:52 min. Does anyone see the face of the little kid in the little windows right above the door? No one in the interview noticed it. If they had they would have commented on it. Freaky! And there were three different families who lived there since the Lutz family, but did those families have certain factors:children,dad. Maybe that's why they weren't haunted by these ghosts. Only intersted in certain types of families.

[happyflyingponytron]

yea on top of the door

[publicskewlkid]

there were other things, but that is what That area always had a negative/eerie feel to it and was glad when we moved. it was located on Whites Creek Pike road close in to nashville bout a mile from where it splits or forks into a road that goes to king's lane elementary, it sat abandoned in the year 2001 as we visited while passing through, it was still creepy

and totally trashed if you're a GHS in vicinity that would be the place to investigate.

[publicskewlkid]

I lived in an old house in tennessee in which the kitchen was haunted. My Mother experienced it first, something called her from behind and she looked around to find an empty house. she never told us about it until afer we moved out. A friend of mine went into the kitchen to get something to drink

and had the same thing happen to him, he thought it was me, and I told him it wasn't

he got scared and left an never came back over. I thought he was full of it until my Mother told us

[XxChickyxX]

i think its true....although the one pic with the "ghost boy" could be fake too

[FriendshipTown]

I don't think the ghostie boy photo is a fake - but I don't think its a ghost. I think its an accidental shot of one of the investigators there that night. And I don't think this person knows his photo is controversial.

The Warrens used to make a big deal about another photo, which seemed to show a likeness of Ronnie DeFeo, but George Lutz confirmed it was merely the head of a GI Joe doll. Not meant to deceive, but the Warrens just let their imagination run wild without asking George about it.

[vorkev1]

Thay remade this movie in 2005. I live right down the road frome the house whare thay filmed it. it was actuley filmed buy the chicago film groupe.

[LifesaGardenDigit1]

where was the 2005 movie filmed?

[vorkev1]

a place caled silverlake wisconsin. Its actuley the mailing address it realey in a place called camplake. I live right down the road. i actuley use to spend time in the house when i was a kid wince thats whare my friends lived it used to be a sheap farm.

[lionheart209]

Actually the Bible tells how the earth is round/circle, read it and you'd know;)

[horrorgirl64]

Unless you have had an experience like this, you really don't know what happened, so don't put them down!

[LilBoo777]

Awesome story! Thanks so much for sharing!

[7armynation]

"perhaps you should take some lessons on how to interpret the bible correctly and not take it so literally" - Craig3145

Words Of wisdom.

[7armynation]

Oh Craig3145 do we need to tell you the earth isn't flat and doesn't rest on four pillars like it says in the bible to!! LMAO

[Craig3145]

Look armynation, you don't have to be afraid of the truth. Open your mind. I think your last comment would apply to you more than me. I have studied this case for the past 20 years and the facts are there. something evil was in that house. As for the little bible comment, perhaps you should take some lessons on how to interpret the bible correctly and not take it so literally. Thats the problem with non-believers. May God have mercy on your soul. But then again, you don't care do you?

[sillychrist]

Craig, most of us don't need invisible friends.

Pick another fairy tale messiah. Jesus is the last in a long line of mythological messiahs that resurrected.

It's an old story, concocted by cavemen.

Seriously.

[Craig3145]

May Jesus Have mercy on your soul as well. But then again you don't care either, Thats your problem, Dont tell me what to believe in.

[7armynation]

Yep its is all BS! Ronald Dafeo is the teeanger that killed his family claiming to be driven by demonic beings. He has just recently recanted the whole story and the motivation was insurance money! And hey guess what the original door IS STILL ON THE HOUSE!! So when Kathy says it was blown out (a claim also made in the book) ITS A TOTAL LIE!! But leave it to sheperd and his herd they need some kind of verification there not wasting there life being a slave to a god that doesn't exist!

[Craig3145]

So why should we believe Ronald recanting his story when he lied throughout his trial. Also the only evidence that that was the original door was from a blurred video from "Thats incredible" Could it be that the owners at that time in that video were stating that it was the original door so that the onlookers would go away. I say to believe Defeo over the Lutz' is totally sad on your part. And yes, God does exsist, just FYI.

[FriendshipTown]

Ronnie DeFeo never claimed to be driven by demonic beings. Yes, Ronnie is a habitual liar who has changed his story (of how his family was murdered) numerous times over the decades - but what does he or his story have to do with the Lutz family or their own personal experiences? Ronnie lived in the house before the Lutzes - that's the only connection.

[kelvix80]

Whatever happened to the Lutz's children? I assume they are still alive, but why haven't they come forward and grant interviews? I would really like to hear what they have to say.

[blairiscool]

they don't want any fame or publicity. so they chaanged their names and don't allow interveiws.

[FriendshipTown]

Go to the forum listed on my profile to learn what the now-adult Lutz children have said, and why they are silent these days.

[richardster2]

i thought everyone knew already that those lutz people capitalized on the terrible tradegy that happened there by faking the things that they SAY they experienced, the present owners report no problems whatsoever

[FriendshipTown]

Nobody knows for sure if the haunting was real or faked. There is no proof either way.

[neadha]

yes it realy happen that day but ther sum thing in the house made him do it it truth even if u dont blive..just spend a nite in the house or stay ther 28 days see wat happen but i do blive it truth..

[yourfriendanneighbor]

What a load of nonsense.

It figures that Pat Robertson would buy into something so stupid.

[elsoda]

so sad and dissapointed that the house looks nothing like the movie..i saw the house two years ago and boy i was like.."what? thats the house? now way!"

[FriendshipTown]

You must be referring to the 2005 remake. The original 1979 movie has the house looking almost identical to the real thing, and its version of the story is pretty close to what actually happened.

[coconut5528]

Who thinks this really happend

[StanMyMan66]

Sorry to hear that George and Kathy died. I felt bad for them.

Also this is a very old 700 Club.

[timeandchips]

Personally I do believe it, I remember watchin the original film with my mum about 2 yrs back and I got fasinated by this. I would spend hours lookin up information and stuff on it but I do believe that what Kathy and her family went through it real.

[flatcapman]

I agree with you timeandchips. None of those non-belivers are willing to stay in the Lutzs house so what are they afraid of? Are they afraid that Kathy and George spoke the truth? Plus Kathy died in 2005 and George a year later on why cant these people show their departed souls respect?

[littleyellowmonkey]

'Plus Kathy died in 2005 and George a year later on why cant these people show their departed souls respect?'

like they showed the defao's respect by cashing in on a hurrendous murder?! please...

[flatcapman]

thats where you are WRONG. The defaos LAWYER wanted to get rich and famous NOT the Lutz's as he wanted to get Ronald relased off of their story as he never belived them either but I do as the family went thou Hell even after they left the house the evil followed them. And if its not real then how come members of the Catchlic church told them they did the right thing leaving the house. If its not real PROVE IT by staying there. The house will either drive you insane or kill you.

[MrsSuratt]

How can anyone be so gullible to believe this crap? And why am I watching the 700 club?!

[xEternalRosex]

Because they do research. :)

[GNews2Nite]

Personally, the Transcendental Meditation they were doing caused most of the hallutionations they have had in that house. And Hollywood decided to capitalize on this story.

[FriendshipTown]

In latter years, George and Kathy believed that their practice of TM may have "opened some sort of doorway" and may have been at least partly responsible for their experiences. But if it were merely hallucintations, how do you explain the shared experiences?

[moparmonster1965]

Mass hysteria, collective delusion, or perhaps *GASP* a carefully orchestrated lie concocted to make money. But no, people don't do that, do they?

[FriendshipTown]

If it helps you to think that this had more to do with money than the paranormal, then fine. But if you're serious about wanting to find out what really happened in that house, then do some investigating. People have been trying to prove this case was a hoax for the past 30 years. They have not succeeded...

[MrsSuratt]

I'd say the burden of proof rests with those claim these events actually occurred and not the other way around. And that burden has absolutely not been met. I don't think this started as a plan to make money. I think these people just seriously freaked out about living in a house in which such horrors had occurred just a few months earlier. And their imaginations just ran wild.

[FriendshipTown]

There is no proof the haunting really happened. I am not trying to convince anyone that the haunting was real - I am giving my personal reasons for believing it happened. However, talking about burdens of proof, when someone claims the Lutzes perpetrated a hoax, the burden of proof lies upon THEM to prove a hoax was committed, wouldn't you say? I'm not asking you for evidence that a haunting DIDN'T happen, I'm asking for evidence that a hoax DID happen.

[flatcapman]

Sorry to say this Friendship but they did pass a lie detector test which is close to impossible and you can't fake how scared they look. Evil is real and everywhere that my friend is a sad fact

[FriendshipTown]

I believe the haunting was real, but unfortunately there is no proof. The polygraph is strong evidence, but not proof. Even George Lutz admitted there is no proof. If there was proof, then there'd be no discussion. There is only evidence...

[flatcapman]

Evil does have a way of covering its tracks and the Lutzs would have a grand time proving it. Have they tried to bring a meduim into the house?

[flatcapman]

Also there are people living in the house now if the evil was real they are in danger and to learn from what the Lutzs went thou if anything happens and of course it will attack them just like the Lutz's

[moparmonster1965]

Hmmm, it sounds like you're an apologist for the Lutzs' story. I can't understand why you're dying to believe it. The best thing about their story is that it requires no proof, only the willingness to believe.

[FriendshipTown]

I'm no Lutz apologist, but I can see why you'd see me as such. I'm not dying to believe the haunting was true - I'm dying to get to the bottom of it either way. To date, the "pro-haunting" evidence simply makes more sense than the "pro-hoax" evidence I've come across.

[moparmonster1965]

Keep in mind that Mr. Defeo had been on a heroin binge at the time and initially claimed that the murders were a mob hit. At any rate, it all doesn't add up.

[moparmonster1965]

If you look at the transcripts of the Defeo trial, he was claiming to be insane at the time of the murders, attempting to get out of the murders (he has changed his story several times in prison, see the recent footage of his latest interview). He claimed to have seen an arm appear from behind a curtain, and hearing a voice telling him to kill.

[FriendshipTown]

Yes, Ronnie DeFeo is a liar. But what does that have to do with the Lutzes? Ronnie wasn't there during the haunting - he lived in the house prior to that.

[moparmonster1965]

The doorway to hell? That's funny; it doesn't appear on the public blueprints for the house. George Lutz supposedly saw Ron Defeo Jr's face there, but how could a man who wasn't even dead haunt a house?

[FriendshipTown]

George Lutz never claimed to have seen Ron DeFeo's face in the red room. That was in Anson's book. Anson made it up or got bad info from his interview with the Warrens or others. No reason to call it a hoax.

[moparmonster1965]

The story itself doesn't seem to be credible because with all of the supernatural/occult material I've read, none appeared to be such a mismash of occurances, with elements of poltergeist and classic haunting activity. It's as if they went to the library and checked out a bunch of books and took bits and pieces from each one.

[FriendshipTown]

There was no slime oozing from the walls. The red room was not a "pit to hell." Check out the website listed in my profile where you can find out what was truth and what was fiction in Jay Anson's book. Don't judge too quickly...

[moparmonster1965]

Not only that, why have their been no public reports of any tenants, before or after the Lutz family, having similar problems? The house would therefore be uninhabitable, wouldn't it? The owners that bought the house after the Lutzs fled lived there for, I believe, 20 some-odd years. And take a look at the franchise that the Lutzs have established; they own the rights to all of the movies regarding the story. That's still worth a lot of money.

[FriendshipTown]

There have been 3 owners since the Lutzes - each have lived there for ten years. True, none of them have reported supernatural activities - but show me where ghosts and demons must haunt one location, haunt every owner and never go away or hibernate. No reason to call it a hoax.

[moparmonster1965]

I read the book, which was supposedly based on their experiences, some of which they've refuted over the years as sensationalistic. That in itself lends doubt, but is no smoking gun. There are claims that the house was built on an Indian burial ground, but the indiginous people there didn't bury their dead near water.

[FriendshipTown]

The claims of the house being built on an ancient Indian burial ground were made by Hans Holzer. The Lutzes don't know what caused the haunting - they can only guess. No one knows for sure why it happened. No reason to call it a hoax.

[moparmonster1965]

This was not a haunting, even if it happened the way they said. The fact that George Lutz and his son were suing each other over the whole matter shows that not all was as told. As far as the book goes, the Lutzes were collaborating with Mr. Anson and it was their responsiblity to make sure the contents were correct. This all boils down to money. The Warrens, having authenticated the "haunting" are also frauds.

[FriendshipTown]

Chris and George may have been suing each other, but it was not over whether or not the house was really haunted or not. Chris, to this day, still maintains that the house was haunted and that the family felt they were in danger while living there. Go to the forum listed on my profile to find out more.

[FriendshipTown]

The Lutzes refuted those same experiences from the very start. Its not like they changed their story after a period of time. Yes, Jay Anson's book contains a bit of fiction, but the Lutzes couldn't do much about it. They did what they could and talked about it in shows like Merv Griffin and Good Morning America (which I have also posted)...

[moparmonster1965]

The Amityville Horror is one of the biggest hoaxes of the 20th century. The only horror there was Butch Defeo killing his family. And a big fuck you to Pat Robertson, too.

[FriendshipTown]

What makes you think it was a hoax?

[tfletcher79]

Pat Roberts is the devil

[kyleyan09]

can u teach me how to see ghost??

[dawnofcrow]

necromancer surtun people have a power to pull ghost and demon people who have a power to pull ghost and demon 80% not believe ghost and demon but one's bevileve 20% ghost and demon

[nikolagrbavac12]

i wanna live in a haunted house

[jayzee903]

very scary...