Moonbounce

[planeguy3223]

Wow. THAT is pretty cool!

[kitcarcollection]

The University of Tasmania in Australia with their 26m dish was able to bounce a data signal off the surface of the Moon which was received by a large dish in the Netherlands - Dwingeloo Radio Observatory. The data signal was successfully resolved back to data setting a world record for the lowest power data signal returned from the Moon with a transmit power of 3 milliwatts

[K7AGE]

@kitcarcollection Very cool. Really qualifies for the 1000 mile per watt award!

[MsKatestalker]

@K7AGE what a crock of bs

[kb7clx]

Wow, can't believe I missed hearing about this 3 years ago! Truely awesome! I found a recording of 6 meter eme online several years ago, this beats that all to hell lol. It's interesting to note there wasn't the libration fading you hear on higher bands, due to the low frequency. I wonder what the echoes would have been like if they had done it during their local daytime.

[SquirrelFromGradLife]

Why are people so up in arms about HAARP? It's like conspiracy central

[zLOSTNOMOREz]

HAARP...OH NO,he is trying to blow up the moon!

[SunnyShawFilms]

If you play music will it bounce off too. and did you made that transmitter?

[K7AGE]

@SunnyShawFilms Sure anything will bounce off the moon. Yup, I built that transmitter in my garage. Problem is getting the power company to install enough power to run it. Oh well....

[SunnyShawFilms]

@K7AGE what was the watt of that transmitter.

[SunnyShawFilms]

@K7AGE what was the watt of that transmitter ?

[K7AGE]

@SunnyShawFilms 3.6 MW transmitter system in Alaska

[JESTER588]

does this make any one elses heart hurt ?

[TheFred47374]

i did this same test in indiana at 5:30 am feb7th 2011 and it was amazing. but it makes you wonder what its doing to our ozone with 90,000 watts pep going out?

[GMSamuelRhine]

@TheFred47374 it would probably be harder to hear over static since its not a loud high pitch sound

[Alexander9170]

Try this with your voice!

[Zinshin]

Is this possible for the average high-schooler? I mean, to bounce a signal off the moon and have it listened to by someone else across the nation?

[K7AGE]

@Zinshin Possible, yes. Practical probably not. It would require a pretty sophisticated station on each end of the link. This test use 3,600,000 watts on their transmitter. A typical ham radio is around 5 to 1,500 watts.

[denelson83]

@K7AGE Maybe next time an unmanned probe is sent to land on the Moon, it can carry an amateur repeater station.

[FuzzyUK1]

So how come your calendar displays Jan 18th? LOL.

[K7AGE]

@FuzzyUK1 computer clock not in UTC

[TheodoricXI]

What radio software are you using?

[K7AGE]

@TheodoricXI Digipan for the waterfall, CWget for the decoding waveform.

[TheodoricXI]

Do you think I could moonbounce with a 5 Watt Handheld? (With Yagi)

[K7AGE]

@TheodoricXI Nope, way to much loss to the moon and back

[GMSamuelRhine]

@TheodoricXI rofl good look even dxing with that

[azeivio]

sounds like a zx spectrum loading a game

[VendettasD]

Military HAM reporting in.

While of a slightly unrelated note, HF here is a bit quiet simply because it seems most Japanese HAMS tend to be UHF and VHF. However, I have picked up some interesting LF (100-500khz) radio beacons as well as a music site on 287Khz. Anyways, enjoyed the moonbounce video. Keep up the good work!

[SurfaceTerror]

H.A.A.R.P. was on the show called "Conspiracy Theories"

[AbnormalEthnos]

Can I pick this in Europe?

[K7AGE]

This test was two years ago.

[MarvinMcGill]

Great videos you have here!

My call is KD0JCW

[g0fvt]

Interesting video, did not know of any EME experiments at this frequency. I think some of the graphs may have been clearer with no AGC but very good video as always from you.

[fireicer]

i caught one of these in about 2006 cant remember when without looking at my logbook. for me it lasted about 20 mins

[Purkillah2036]

The guy have the voice of Windows Voice engine,

Sam has de computer default voice!!!

[MrPolitischUnkorrekt]

I like the noise.

Thank you for sharing

[combatwombat71]

Very interesting Randy. A shame though that HAARP can't publish any schedules of when/freq for others to try listening. You were lucky to catch that experiment. 73 - Rob VK2GOM / G0MOH

[remnant1978]

ham operators are a cool bunch, Nothing felt better as a kid to sit in my dads ham shack in primitive rural SD and irritate someone in Florida by messing with their conversation, Which was illegal b'cause I didn't have the license, This was during the early days of the cell phone...Grew up in a hutterite colony, Dad wasn't allowed this technology so we strung a huge dipole in the attic, among other antennas, With no radios or tv's I totally Loved this technology, I should renew license...

[BooBooandDee]

This gave me a headache, nausea and heart palpitations...anyone else get "sick" while listening to this?

[AnubisEye009]

I've always loved listening to the radio, listening to transmissions, etc... for some reason, very hypnotic. My family never had any funds so i could start my own ham, but now that i can get a job, im gunna get a license.

[onelasssttime]

Sorry- my *post8 did not sem to post...

What do you mean "signal levels FLESHOIDS"???/

OHHHHHHHH!!!!!! WAIT-- YOU SAID FLUCTUATES?? (I think, maybe)??

Hmmmmm. Right at !;36.. FLESHOIDS?? OR "Fluctuates"?? I want to MEET the FLESHOIDS!!!!

[bossman380]

I'm looking for a 6 meter, or an all mode transceiver. I don't care if it it is a mobile or a base radio, let me know what you have. Thanks alot!!

KB1SBR

[K7AGE]

Nothing for sale. Most HF radios today have 6. Randy

[ballm0use]

would be nice to hear what the background noiselevel was like... to compare

[xtreme01hac10docter]

Get a Kenwood TS-440 that's what I have, it's portable and is a base station, it will put out 150 watts.

[bossman380]

How much would you like for it?

[xtreme01hac10docter]

Sorry but It's in such good condition I still want to keep it. It has no scratchs on it and It works just like it's brand new.

[sailboss1]

I guess to some folks research is a waste. And what is your reference for the bird killing?

One1Ball?? Really? Sorry!

[kb5zcr]

Why does the signal change? I wouldn't think that the atmosphere has much to do with it. I would think that if you could get a good bounce and receive then all of them would be the same signal strength.

I guess my question is why do some of the signals bounce back strong and some bounce back weak?

Thanks, kb5zcr

[SKYSURVEYOR]

1/ INTELLIGENT ANSWER EVENT.

2/ SATELLITE ECHO

3/ ARMY TO MOON DATA TRANSFERT

4/ ARMY / EBE TO MOON TRANSMISSION

5/ WEATHER PERTURBATION ACTION

6/ SECRET SCIENTIFIQUE EXPERIMENT

7/ FAKE

i think number 4

with 99 % something like that.

WATCH THE SKY !

[chulk607]

1/ I can't imagine what you mean (the moon is a rock)

2/ I assume you mean artifical satellite, but given the delay, it kind has to be the moon

3/ It is kinda an army to moon data transfer, but the data is a beep and the moon doesnt answer, cause it's a ball of rock.

4/ no.

5/ How would that work exactly?

6/ It's hardly secret, it's being picked up by a ham radio operator and they have a website on the haarp site about it

7/ no.

I do believe there are aliens, but this aint it buddy haha.

[carstars]

Wonder if HAARP was running at their max 3.6 Megawatt output?  Last summer was able to tour the HAARP facility. Very interesting antenna array and radio heaven.

[chloroxjello]

I love this stuff. Wish I had the brain to comprehend it...

[BeeRich33]

@chloroxjello EME is pretty cool. If you get into Amateur Radio, you'll get to know stuff like this. Great hobby.

[WTFBSYT]

Haarp signals disrupt HEART signals.

What???Have you lost your mind?

I know too many eggs for breakfast stops ones heart,especially when ingested with bacon :))

N2NXZ

[chulk607]

hahah, or ingested through the nose probably...

[GRIDKEEPER]

Haarp signals disrupt HEART signals.

[carstars]

If they do then to the same extent exposure to any radio signals causes heart disruption. I have an implantable heart defib. and while I was standing 50 feet away from a HAARP transmitter into a dummy load at full power I had no problems. That is 20 KiloWatts of RF power.

[AnarchyBegins]

this vid is great, the sound is so strange....but there's something amazing about it....

[rufousme]

Shame to put such horrible pile of rubbish in that otherwise prestine looking forrest area, and folks complain when kids do a little grafiti on a wall .

[JohnLenardWalson]

interesting interesting

[AnarchyBegins]

ohhh interesting :)

[ianmcgrady]

this is totally hypnotic

[triviatrap1982]

If you think that's hypnotic, search for WWV on youtube.

[onelasssttime]

iLOVE WWV.. and I LIVE in Ft Collins... worked for them, and All.. MESSED UP station...but A+ for Zombie-ism....

[LustxFilledxEyesx13]

Damn, I thought my Exam today would be the last I'd hear about Physics XD

[Resdon111]

Ow, I have an tone induced headache now...

[tkdteen2]

wow thats something new for me to do thats 73's

[k9kmc]

Another great video from K7AGE 73 -.-

[treybolinger]

Nice video! First time I've really seen moonbounce work successfully.

73 de W0KTB

[K7AGE]

This was a very special test on 7 MHz. Most amateur moon bounce takes place on 144, 430, 1296 MHz.

[treybolinger]

Well. I'm going to get a Yagi put together and try it sometime. Looks really interesting. Watched more take place on 1296MHz and they were sounding like they were QRP (they were CW) but nevertheless its cool.

Some of them were weak, some of them were 40 over S9.

[VodkaFanClub]

Moonbounce at 6.7 MHz! That's scaring! Huge amount of power and sometimes the reflection is almost as clear as the transmission itself. I can't even imagine how will I do it at 2 meters :)

[URNotMyFellowDJ]

I am a licenced amateur since 1973. Some time after this experiment I spoke genuinely to a guy who once worked on a funded research project at HAARP. He told me that this array could have, if necessary, been used to bring down that 'rogue' US Spy satellite satellite -'USA 193' - which went out of control shortly after it was launched in December 2006.

I enquired, "You're telling me that this Installation could bring down a satellite?"

He replied, "Absolutely". I can't question his credentials

[Pillebub]

Why did they do this? Bored? Sparetime?

Or just to demonstrate their radiation power to impresse HAMs?

If they are able to send a signal on an unfavourable frequency range for EME, with bouncing the moon and receiving by hamradio operators that strong, everyone can now imagine what they are able to with our ionosphere or mind!!!

[K7AGE]

They do many tests, this was more a of public test involving amateur and short wave listener operators. Randy

[cooldrunter]

I only hear a beep and some data stream.

What sort of digital modulation is this and what message are they transmitting?

[K7AGE]

There was no data transmitted. This was a test to see if amateur stations using simple equipment could receive a signal bouncing off of the moon. Which we did! But it helped that they were transmitting 3,600,000 watts of power towards the moon. This is a lot more power than my 100 watt radio! Randy

[melis256]

Did you know, that meany believes that the HAARP is an experimental power resonance transmitting station, just like that Nikola Tesla used to transmit electricity through the ground and air.

No doubt that also it can bounce radio signals of the moon.

[MaryStewart]

some nuts think haarp controls weather. haha!

[AnarchyBegins]

rofl yeah. those sorts of people don't know any science at all.

[K7AGE]

This was a test to see if Amateur Radio stations could receive a signal bouncing off of the moon at 7 MHz. Amateurs with above average setups with large antennas are able bounce signals off the moon using 50, 144, 432, 1295 MHz frequencies. 7 MHz being a low frequency signal made receiving the signal bounced off of the moon available to the average amateur radio station with a simple wire antenna and HF radio.

[AnarchyBegins]

I'm really wanting to save up some cash and get started with this radio business. got any advance, Randy?

thanks

[carstars]

carlhorncpa com / hfstation html Using this station I was able to copy the moon signal that evening.

[AnarchyBegins]

thanks :)

[K7AGE]

They transmit a power signal towards the moon, we receive the signal bouncing off of the moon. Randy

[skepticalinquier]

The HAARP web site has a technical communications prediction for this experiment, and I am pleased to say, K7AGE received the S 5, best signal expected.

I hope they do this again,

[MaryStewart]

yeah! i wonder if people in illinois can hear this?

[K7AGE]

Sure if you had listen on Jan 19! Randy

[skepticalinquier]

I heard on echo that appeaered longer than 2 seconds? Was that a glitch? No body else got results even close to what you did. Why was that?

[Dummerd]

EME path is 2.7 seconds long. Period. No matter what band.

[skepticalinquier]

I did find one other documentation of this test, fro New York. I assume moon was at almost zenith and HAARP blasts a hole in I sphere allowing return signal to enter. That signal would propagate at NVIS angles and would be stronger the closer the receiver was to the Alaskan transmitter site.

[skepticalinquier]

Although this video is impressive it raises many questions. I have NOT found one other station who got reception to this experiment.

One instance does a poor job at validation of any scientific test.

[skepticalinquier]

How are you sure this in fact is EME, as this could simply be long path propagation. You aren't proving this because your timing bases are not shown.

[K7AGE]

Towards the end of the video I used CwGet, which does show related timing of the 2 seconds on and 3 seconds off. The bounce signal is heard about a half second after the signal stops transmitting. Randy

[VO1XH]

Very interesting video Andy.That HAARP site is awesome.73,Don,VO1XH

[lioii]

Van Morrison wrote a great song about this kind of thing...

"Well, its a marvelous night for a moonbounce

With the stars up above in your eyes

A fantabulous night to make romance

'neath the cover of October skies..."

[ShutlOrbit]

Outstanding! My key has been cold for over 20 yrs now. Just returning to the hobby. I ALWAYS wanted to see what E-M-E is like.  I can die happy now. Thank you Randy. Rick (KA1DNO).

[Superskunk1954]

You are using a narrow CW filter, 200Hz. So you're injecting BFO to generate this tone, i.e. HAARP is sending carrier only? What is the [up-link] transmitter bandwidth? Would further reductions in the IF pass-band or DSP be of benefit? Kind regards, MaArk

[KnebelsHerbert]

Randy, great videos you provide here.

I saw the complete video and find it very interesting.

Greetings from DE from D H 6 W S

[borg12of13]

Ths is a really cool video. My only question is can amateurs do the same thing and bounce signals to each other off the moon or does power limitations prevent this?

[BullSimons]

yes we can :) ist called EME -> Earth - Moon - Earth. DB1SOL Germany

[maximk728]

wtf?

[thomas242007]

what kind of program you using??

[K7AGE]

Digipan for the waterfall and CWGet for the signal decoding. Randy

[ILReaganFan]

Thought Harp was the way the US Military could "pluck" the atmosphere to get the earth's magnetic field to resonate briefly, to communicate with our submarines

[K7AGE]

There are all sorts of thoughts about what goes on up there. Randy

[URNotMyFellowDJ]

Correct, I read last week that they perturbate the 'ElectoJet' for extended periods to excite the Ionosphere to a state where it can be used to carry VLF/ELF messages to super deep Nuclear Subs.

[DJDevon3]

Isn't it more plausible that it's just bouncing off a secret satellite? How does a signal bounce off the moon?

[antigravitationskano]

a simply reflection. a hard fixed signal on a fixed point. may be the same "princip" like a ball. ?

[mrmrgranite]

secret satellites move too fast. and too small.

and moonlight is sunlight reflected off the moon.. and radio waves and light waves are both electromagnetic...

[Dummerd]

On 10.368 mhz (10 gigahertz) you can actually bounce signals off of aircraft.

The reflector needs to be several wavelengths long to reflect.

Earth to Moon and to Earth again is roughly 480,000 miles. THE absolute longest DX you will ever work.

[M3TVF]

I am just getting into this mode and I found this very interesting, thanks Randy, Regards Adrian M3TVF

[antigravitationskano]

than you. it's very nice, to see your videos. big up

[antigravitationskano]

sorry for my bad english, what is in the signal? is it a simply tone?

thank's²

[K7AGE]

It is just a carrier, which just sounds like a tone. Randy

[antigravitationskano]

thank's sehr interessant

[K7AGE]

I received my HAARP QSL card today! Randy

[narejongen]

keep posting Randy. We allways enjoy your information. 73's Ed  PE5ED

[URNotMyFellowDJ]

If we get S3 back on a dipole I can't imagine what signal strength you'd get if you were on the moon with a rhombic.

Here's my implementation idea for a socially useful HAARP application. NASA builds a moon base and in the absence of sufficient solar power, HAARP can heat up the warm beverages for the astronauts, from Alaska via an HF 'Coffee heating' uplink.

[amandalee7747]

Good Job.... Lol - (But did I really sit here for 15 minutes watching YOUR PC screen beep through MY screen, through, and even have the gall to send it to a friend?... lol....) Ok - I am laughing @ myself - Good pickup!

[K7AGE]

Seems a bit silly, but the bounce is the longest distance signal that you will ever receive. Randy

[bossman380]

That is awesome!!!

[danicacancan]

Nifty!

[OZ7AM]

Very exiteing!

73 de OZ7AM, Alex

[chicagomizzgan]

Did HAARP send you a QSL card? lol

[K7AGE]

They say they will send a qsl if you send them a card. Randy

[K7AGE]

Still waiting for the card! Randy

[killdeer38]

Wow, that is actually very exciting. To watch a radio signal sent from Earth and received back? Is that not the dream of those expecting an answer back? And to think that now we know how long to expect such a respones. Randy Thank you for showing this, because I have not heard anything about this in the Media on Television.

[Dummerd]

HAM radio operators have used the moon as a reflector for nealy 50 years. It's called EME or earth moon earth. It takes several stacked antennas or huge microwave dishes and lots of skill as the moon wavers a bit in orbit. Simply put, it takes skill and determination along with LOTS of proper equipment. The average "Joe" simply can't do it.

[zoolkhan]

It often also takes power outputs beyond the border of what the amateur license permits :)

the more power, the less skill. a very true sentence true for many aspects in HAM and CB radio :-)

[Dummerd]

With over 20dBd of real antenna gain, several thousand watts ERP.

One of the biggest gun on 2 meters is W5UN. He has 32 (!) beams with a boom of near 5 wavelengths long and 17 elements each. Each beam is 14.74 dBd - 32 of them are a whopping 29.24 dBd. Do NOT confuse that figure with dBi or CB antenna gain. If this set up were rated by JoGunn, it would be Eleventy Billion Gain.

[zoolkhan]

I have the top class license that was possible to get in germany. This permist me maximum of 750 watts.

i consider everything beyond that - beyond fairplay.

Whomever needs more than 100W to get somewhere

is walking on the wrong path. IMO.

[Dummerd]

Tell that to DL9KR.

[zoolkhan]

i stopped trying to influence anyone, all i can do is leading by example, i worked most continents with a frigging groundplane and 100W, just by choosing the right band and waiting for the right moment, using CW.

people ignoring rules, laws and sportsmanship exist everywhere, not only in DL.

Perhaps this is one reason, why "ham spirit" is in danger of becoming a term of the past.

[Dummerd]

We were speaking totally of VHF/UHF/SHF.

ANYONE can work the world on HF.

Try working another continent on any band above 2 meters with 100 watts and a vertical.

'nuff said.

[zoolkhan]

i referred to those "anyones" who could not work the world in HF w/o their kilowatts.

with regard to VHF, use sattelites for god sake.

moonbouncing is as efficient as dragging a caravan with a ferrari. It spams the frequency on half a globe for a

"one-to-many" communication and is only useful for dictators to spread their propaganda.

[Dummerd]

Just calculated W5UN's ERP.

1,259,189 watts.

1500 watts from amplifier to the 29.24 dBd antenna. This figure does not account for feed line loss. I have no idea what Dave's feedline length is, or if he is using 1 5/8s or not.

Still a million and a quater watts from 1500.

[eyedreamdesign]

for something related that is even more exciting and will never be seen or heard in the Media, do a search for 'two most important crop circles'

[eyedreamdesign]

what is the purpose of this experiment? do we know about the biological effects from the intense radiation? what frequencies does HAARP usually operate, and what frequencies is it capable of operating? I'm a bit concerned, but thanks for the video.

[K7AGE]

Poke around their web site. Link is over on the right side of this page. Randy

[zoolkhan]

the radiation returning from the moon is weaker than the readiation emitted by the poerlines in your home.

relax.

[chicagomizzgan]

Not the HAARP signal you're playing, I was talking about some of the other ones I've heard.

[chicagomizzgan]

That HAARP sound makes me feel queezy! You should hear when Art Bell plays some sounds of HAARP.

[FREDGRASS]

thank you for your video. awesome coverage. i am a ham wanna bee!!! doing my course to get my licence and i found your video very inspirational. thanks. kate.

[medimorph]

ufb video!!!

I already heard haarp signals in europe with S9+++, this is legal power!

Stefan DO2JAX / DNØNVA

[guitarelief]

Excellent video. Ham radio at it's finest.

73 de WS2Q

[zoolkhan]

this was not a HAM radio experiment, or was it?

[Dummerd]

No, this is the US government at work.

[john762x39]

Your videos have helped me out a lot thanks.

[wb8cxo]

Randy, GREAT VIDEO that allowed those of us who missed it to experience the event.

Mike, WB8CXO

[greenmountainsolar]

it seemed louder at my location.. maybe its his recording.. there was a lot of fade..

chris/N3GAD

[K7AGE]

There were times that I could not hear the bounce. They had to re-aim the beam everything 3 minutes to keep it on the moon. Randy

[MarksCoffeehouse]

That's amazing. I wish I'd known about it so I could have listened in. If they do it again I'll give it a try.

73, Mark WA5VQM

[spaceblanket]

Fantastic Thanks !!!! 73 & 88 to the Om's out there !!!

[sneakerset]

Sat. night was a success for the DX log(on both freqs.)and I might recommend to your viewers a decent set of wireless headphones(I use AR's-Ebay for 12.00 USD)Great audio,Peace in the house,and cuts me loose to head outside for antenna adjustments.73's

[othmij]

Nice video, Randy... and a really cool setup in your shack there.

73 de Denis, ZS6JDS.

[KC2NMZ]

Nice video. I was to tired to stay up that night, glad you have it uploaded already. 73's and work you again in WPX RTTY hopefully.

Paul/WQ2N

[K9LLL]

its cool but the tones can be a little annoying after while good stuff

73

K9LLL

[K7AGE]

My wife thought so too. I wonder how many hams went to sleep with these tones in their head. Randy

[joebot15]

Very good video.I tried to receive here in NY and heard nothing sunday am.I was disappointed.I wonder what the total round trip in miles the signal made? 400,000 ? N2NXZ

[sparky42]

Great vid Randy, Always a cool learning experience. Dont stop.

73 de sparky

[joekrepps]

Good stuff, as always.

Tnx & 73 de WB3CFN

[kc9mav]

You know why I didn't hear it randy? I thought 5:00 UTC was 10:00pm instead of 11:00 pm oh well!

[K7AGE]

Ah, you learned something new about UTC time! Randy

[Fursinu]

Extreamly Good Video...I heard ir at about same time here in NZ

[4S7AB]

Very FB work Randy. With your videos, Dx stns like us can also learn what's going on in the hobby. -

73 DE 4S7AB Kamal from Sri Lanka

[K7AGE]

If the earth was flat, we all could have heard the signal. Randy

[THEGARDENERGUY]

Good job describing the incident. Always a pleasure to see your videos. Keep them coming!

Tim (KD5YPC)

[k4nbc]

Ill be listening tonight.....

[K7AGE]

It was only Friday and Saturday night. Randy

[utoobtiavi]

randy thanks for creating and sharing the video. You might want to add some more tags like "lunar" and "bistatic radar" to make it easier to find.

vy 73 de 4X6UA

[K7AGE]

Thanks for the tag tips. Done. Randy

[bflavin]

Good video Randy. 73 de KD0BSS

[kc7fys]

Again, unsurpassed fascinating stuff. Randy, your material is a breakthrough in the hobby. Thanks and 73, 7J1AWL/KC7FYS

[swradioactive]

Nice one Randy. No reports of strong reflected signals in EU. The disadvantage of not having that big old reflector square on.

[w0mm]

I listened to both frequencies but I never got something as clear as what K7AGE got. The second freq. was a lot better than the 1st one. Echo was definitely there...IC-746-PRO and inverted vee at 20 ft in Houston, TX.

[K5KJ]

I didn't listen on 1/19, but was able to monitor both frequencies on 1/20.

I was able to hear echoes during about 20% of the transmissions. The strongest echoes occurred during the first 15 minutes of transmissions on the first frequency.

TS-2000 to inverted vee with the apex at about 60 feet.