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  • LOL? I don't get the joke? Help me?

  • LOL 0:07 MINOR FIVE FLAT CORD

  • damn John, I hate guys like you that know every freekin note on the neck, ...you and that effortless technique make me sick..... ..you've probably forgotten more about playing the guitar than I'll ever know!!......... I have to go burn my guitars now.....

  • what's up with mr. andylowings? c'mon. the B locrian is really relative to a C major scale. is that wrong? no! just like D dorian, E phrygian all relates to C Major.

    John is just providing a more simple way of doing these modes which I also do. to most of us, it's easier to find it's relative major scale than memorizing the entire scale for each and specific modes. it ends up the same anyway. I think you're just trying to be a musical genius.

  • greetings John,I would like to say thanks it helped me alot.you helped me understand alot of what ive been needing help with.one question thou?if I change the route and still use the c scale and it changes the mode do I need to learn all the names of the modes?Im older and my memory isnt what it used to be.ive been playing 25yrs and never really played by actual scales just what sounds right so this is all new any sugestions?

  • Hello. Glad you commented. Just go online and ask for diatonic mode names.

  • Modern modal names Wikapedia style.

  • He does play C major twice, resolving into C both times, though not in the final lick,granted. John also indicates that it`s "interesting" that it`s one fret below C .

    No more interesting than dorian is one fret above C ...and so on for all the others. Its a mode by the way, neither minor nor major. Regards and no insult to John intended at all.

  • @andylowings How can it resolve to C when it's got that Bm7b5 banging away in the background?

    And if i'm going to take a leaf out of your book and be a master pedant - the dorian mode relating to C major (D dorian) is two frets above C not one fret. That'd be a whole tone not a semitone.

  • The loop you record for background while you go over the scale , i think its the Bm7b5, gives it a really pleasant and smooth sound jazz like sound.

  • He's like the John Malkovich of guitar.

  • "gosk.com/scales/locrian-scale­-for-guitar.php", is that not what he is pointing out in this video? i don't understand why what he's saying is wrong? it's c-major scale shape using the b as the root right? anyways, i don't know theory at all, all i know is that this guy plays very nicely, and that's all that matters to me :)

  • flat 5th is the first blues not added to a scale! for instance A minor,,,,,,,,,,A,B,C,D,D#,E,F,­G IN AEOLIAN natural minor the d# is the flat 5th!

  • Interesting but not Lochrian..just C major. The fact that its all played over a B mode doesn`t make the music Lochrian.

  • OK Mr. Teacher. You can't say so unless you explain yourself. I'm hear and ready to learn and listen like a good student. Don't want to take a step and help out? Then you're like the rest of the talkers on youtube.

    Why is it C major and not B Locrian?

  • @johnhguitar Because at 0.40 you state you will play C major over it. That makes C major the grounded tonic note...(because that`s what the ear hears)

    Its tough, using such a dissonant and unresolved scale in any useful way but don`t kid yourself that this IS to playing Lochrian.

    Its C major..

  • good point. I see. I see. thanks for that.

  • Almost no-one ever plays in Lochrian because its so very discordant. Many here on YT do have a go but almost right away depart to C dorian (or some other nicer sounding mode) finally moving back to Lochrian for a final twang in B minor for effect !

    Ummm ! It may actually be impossible? Or just not worth it. Though these guys on youtube seem to carry it off...to a point: Primus- Mr. Krinkle

    best regards to you over there in LA from us England [ This mode may upset delicate listeners ! ]

  • @johnhguitar i woud actually get rid of this video given the fact that it gives false info

  • Why don't you explain to everybody what false information I'm talking about? I need to learn like anyone.

    I like what i play on the guitar so i feel like leaving this up and just ignoring the theory rap.

  • @johnhguitar the false information was already explained to you, you arent doing anything with locrian. In addition, if youre still learning, why are you trying to teach? Especially if you dont know what youre trying to teach. It would really suck if someone came here and got the wrong idea on modes because of this video

  • Great! I'll quit talking and you can start teaching. Karma dude. It still sounds good to me incorrect theory or not. Call the Halls of Music Laws and have me arrested.

  • @johnhguitar I didnt say you cant do it, stop being so defensive. The problem is that people will come here and get the wrong information because you dont know anything about modes.

  • @johnhguitar and by "it" I mean use the mode incorrectly, however I do not think you should teach if you dont understand basic concepts of music, and yes, I do teach music, but the difference is that what I teach is accepted knowledge by my peers and by the books on music theory

  • @andylowings i think it is locrian bcause b locrian uses th same notes as c major and he starts playing in b so that must be the tonic. he plays a c major scale but he plays the b locrian mode

    the chords make the mood

  • @andylowings

    Wait, I don't understand. The B locrian scale and the C major scale are the same scale (white keys on a keyboard), you just start from B instead of C.

    You may say he's not harmonising or making any chord progressions in the Locrian mode, but the man is using the diatonic scale of B locrian.

    Is someone agreeing? Not agreeing?

    P.S: By the way it's spelled Locrian without an H.

  • @andylowings because is sounds like a major scale doesn't it? ...oh wait, no it doesn't.

  • @johnhguitar

    I think all this small "polemic" comes from the fact some people are speaking about the entire musical mode, and others are just speaking about the diatonic scales.

    Anyway, nobody should forget that musicology leads to good music, but is not.

    Peace out.

  • @andylowings hahahaha!

    

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  • @andylowings He keeps resolving to the B note, and he's playing over a Bm7b5..that means it's B Locrian. i don't get what you're saying, how is this just C major and not B locrian? If he's playing over a Bm7b5 chord, and resolving the scale from B to B, then where are you getting the idea that the C is the tonic?

  • @SuperHarvestMan

    I refer to my previous comment below.

  • @andylowings It's Locrian...It doesn't matter that at 0.40 he said he'd play C Major, he was still starting and ending his intervals on the B note..and he was playing over a Bm7b5 chord. Therefore B is the Tonic, and it's B Locrian.

  • @SuperHarvestMan They're getting hung up on what he's saying and not listening to what he's actually doing. Technically when he calls "C major" over Bm7b5 "Locrian" he's wrong. USing C as the tonic & always resolving his phrases to C wouldn't be Locrian. But that's not what he's actually doing. If you pay attention to what he's actually DOING then he's correct.  He's using B as the tonic, starting & resolving his phrases on B. Playing b c d e f g a b over Bm7b5 is Locrian. How is it not?

  • Listen. This all is just an association. If I would have said B Locrian in the first place everyone would have said this guy really knows his shit. The fact of the matter is that the notes of the B Locrian are the same notes as the C major scale. I'm trying to make it easy for students to realize they don't have to learn another scale to play a nice sounding jazzy passage. Making jazz understandable ain't easy if you've tried. I do understand the intervals but most teachers don't share secrets.

  • @johnhguitar Hi John !

    You have taken my causticity with great heart. Good luck to you.

    For me, I have learnt about modes not through the guitar, and interval-theory but by playing the harp, where `Modes` suddenly become as simple as moving up one string and playing from there. To just make an interesting new scale !

  • I hope you don't cop any flack by casually mentioning modes the way you do here in this comment. There's a lot of anal retentive bastards that like to think they're superior to you if you make some sort of theoretical mistake. You could be a great musician performing fantastic pieces that inspire and say you don't know what the technical term is for what your doing and then they turn around and say you're an amateur. I'm hoping you're as great as they come because I happen to like listening.

  • @andylowings Hi John !

    Oh all that snappy back-biting is just them attention-seeking mostly! In the end its all about the music and the emotional impact; the connection with the listener; the power to lift; and the utter oddness of it all.

    Diagnosing what is going on in music is interesting but not essential, at all. Similarly, I always smile at the music stands being set up on a stage....as if we go to the theatre and watch actors performing, whilst reading from the scripts.

  • @andylowing the licks he plays over the chord aren't ending on C are they? so I don't understand where you are coming from... He is just describing to noobs like me that all scales and chords are / can be derived from the C major scale? that's what I take from this.

  • @Alzion does a lick have to end on the route note?

    C major scale is chosen as the scale as it is the easiest; check it out on the keyboard, all white notes; no sharps or flats, easy!

    All of these chords/scales can easily be transcribed to the guitar, a lot easier than the keyboard! the finger pattern for C major, is the same on the guitar for D E F G H I J and K

  • @isleoforkney damn i need a new guitar, i am missing H, I, J and K!

  • What? Then what does it make? C major over Bmin7b5 is the same as B minor Locrain scale over B minor 7b5. It's all the same notes. What's your point? Just because I clarify that B minor Locrain is the same notes as C major you don't like it? What's up?

  • Maybe you just don't understand my point. Maybe you want the same thing explained a different way? I don't know? One thing for sure is that I checked all my explanations and they make perfect sense to me. If no one in the world understands it but me maybe that's better for me. As long as I can work making music it's enough for me. You can take it or leave it.

  • love that look at 1:54 haha

  • The mode of SATAN!!!

    Songs in Locrian scale:

    Rush - YYZ (intro)

    Judas Priest - Painkiller (the riff)

    Primus - Mr. Krinkle (the only song I know which is in Locrian in its entirety)

    If you google it, some say Enter Sandman intro is in Locrian, but it might as well be in Pentatonic Blues.

  • Sorry Typo

  • where can i learn more of this stuff for free, in an organized format, starting from the basics?

  • I have a book out, 'Guitar Workout' published by Hal Leonard It starts out basic but goes very deep quickly.

  • @InFuriatedShadows guitarsecrets[DOT]com/locrian.­htm That's as simple as I've found it. Just read the box with info, then use the tab to learn the modes. Its not this great explanation, but it's surely better than nothing and as basic as it gets.

  • Gibson ES 175 made in 1979.

  • What kind of guitar is this?

  • I love the way you teach. You are great.

  • I love this guy!

  • Great demo. I didn't understand until I saw this when you use the locrian mode.

  • that guitar sounds amazing!

  • so if there was a Gb minor7b5 in the bass and i played a A major scale over it thats A locrian minor

  • No. G major over the Gbminor7b5 creates the locrian sound.

  • so what chord progression could you use locrian in?

  • Up to you man. I like it over any major chord progression in jazz. Play the C major scale over an F major, D minor G7, F#7 turnaround. You can make it work if you resolve it nicely.

  • just starting to learn my modes. very helpful to listen to locrian more

  • love the finish. "Locrian minor *click* Thank You!

    this lesson clarified alot now XD

  • Man I'd love to own that guitar but they are pricey as shit!!

  • Hey John,

    You're really amazing to watch and listen to. Very nice explanations, confidence, messages, and performance...thank you.

    Rodent

  • Man that guitar has such a nice tone!

  • @geetar05217 i know i have one

  • hey man!! good video, a question... if i have this progression

    Am7 - B° - Bm7b5 - E7

    can i use the locrian mode, cause a teacher said no, but i think that i can over the B° and Bm7b5

    rigth? thank´s!

  • Try the A harmonic minor. A B C D E F G# A

    Thanks for your interest.

  • if you wanna solo with modes, i think you can use B locrian over the bm7b5 chord since it comes from that scale.

    maybe. A aeolian for Am7

    B Ionian on Bº or its relative minor G# aeolian mode, that would be interesting. and turning into locrian for bm7b5

    and E mixolydian for E7 or just A ionian.

    hope it helps

  • Great playing and you have a ever nice sound! How would it sound if the locrian mode was applied to speed metal? Would it make your solos stand out more?

  • Who can say? You crank it up and then you tell me. Thanks for your interest.

  • yeah im a metal player nd i use modes a lot and so do loads of metal player

  • @kakashihatake1321 I like to think about it less as a genre thing. ANY guitarist can use all these modes; genre of music is unimportant, because these modes can and should be used by anyone who plays guitar, whether they play jazz, classical, nu metal, blues, progressive rock, techno, country. Hell. everybody should know where they are on a fretboard and what the details of playing guitar are.

  • Great playing and great tone. Using m7b5 chords in Locrian Mode is an eye opener to me.

  • you know what im gonna post a video response soon

  • wtf though how do you play in locrian without sounding like your in ionian? all this guy did is say play the m7b5 chord and then start soloing? this guy doesnt explain how to make a strange key like locrian actually work.

  • OK Pedal a B note on the guitar or a keyboard and get use to hearing that key or root note. Then play the C major scale over that B and get use to hearing the B as the root note of the key with the C major scale used to improvise or write lines with.........

  • wait play the root of locrian? i think i get it now i cant use power chords because locrian has a flat 5th right? so if i play in locrian and just use single notes instead of power chords it will work?

  • Use it anyway. You can pull it off if you make what you play sound good with or without a chord in the background....B for the root of your chord and the C diatonic major scale to set up a Locrian sound. You have to get use to hearing it........John

  • wtf do you want him to do draw up a tab for you? lrn 2 guitar.

  • So can you help people out here know what you're talking about? I'd like to get better myself. Do you share what you know with people who don't know or do you always chop at people when you discoverer you know what they know and maybe a bit more?

  • This megadethdummy guy is an asshole. You are doing good, positive work, John. Keep it up!

    Besides, he can't really know much if he likes you know who... I know. I'm acting like the troll now. Anyway, good works, John.

  • Stop wasting shredding time little man. Perhaps come back with a comment when you've finished your grammar class, becasue we don't know 'wtf' you are talking about....

    John, a nice introduction to the locrian mode.

  • you really need a better platform to boast on other than youtube because you are sounding like the "noob" idiot here, not john.

  • Thanks man! Your videos have saved my life ;-)

    What a guitar! Meu Deus!

    Mauricio from Brazil

  • I met a real gentleman from Brazil at the beach today where I was surfing. I think I've missed a good spot on the globe for friendly conversation and an interesting culture very into music. If I ever get the chance I'm going to travel to Brazil.

  • Hi , you do have some interesting vids posted here !

    I think i should be able to learn from you most definately !

    Cheers and tnx for posting !

  • BEAUTIFUL GUITAR!

    and it sounds great to!!

  • very good  lesson ! thanks

  • when playing the C scale, do it matter what note to start with, and end with....or should i start with B???

  • You can start and end on any note from the scale. Do you imagine how boring music would be if you HAD to begin and end on always the same note ?

    If you want to outline the chord changes, you can begin and end your phrases on notes that are typical of the current chord. For example, the root, 3rd (ou minor 3rd), 7th (or minor 7th) of the chord. You can also begin and end on notes that change from a chord to another, in the case of chords with nearly the same notes in them.

    I hope I'm clear ...

  • These lessons on modes are purely scientific. You can do, as you say, anything you want with these sounds. Even your suggestion about chord tones can be limiting in the end when you're improvising and the changes are moving a million miles an hour...Thanks for your comment. John

  • elegant man,very very elegant and simple...cool lessons

  • Quick question :

    For an aspiring guitarist who wants to play like the greats. Is it in your oppinion better to play there songs, or learn theory to understand from the ground up.

  • theory helps the construction and your ability to jam, covers help your rhythm and ability to play with others (i be learning myself :), timing is a biotch)

  • Hey. I have played the guitar for about 4-5 months now and I have read some basic theory and then basically been sitting with my guitar for hours and hours and just playing. Now I tried playing songs for the first time and it's really easy, unlike my friends who start out with songs and struggles hard to even play one song, I can play a song in one take just by looking at which chords to play. While they barely know what a G#-chord is.

  • Do as much of everything as possible. It all lends itself to being a better player.

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