Misschien wel uit interesse? Ik heb ook uit interesse geleerd en tijdje in ZA gewoond. er zijn ook zoveel die Japans leren ook maar 1 land op de planeet toch?
Trouwens niet alleen Zuid Afrika maar ook Namibie spreken ze Afrikaans
@theCuno100 And yet we have Canada, and it has most certainly worked here. There is a difference between multiculturalism and being forced to agree with another culture. I just wish people would stop hating each other. Not all Muslims feel tha way, neither do all Jews. Sadly many do, but I always hope that one day we will all live in peace.
@theCuno100 Did I ever say only whites had to be multicultural? I said that we shouldn't be divided by race and ethnicity and that hatred must cease. I think every country should be multicultural and tolerant-who cares about skin colour? It's just pigment. Who cares about religion? It's just belief. I think that if we all adopted this attitude the world would be a happier place.
@theCuno100 I don't really understand...what's "north america europe"/ But examples would be Britain, France, the Netherlands, Belgiu,, etc. There are problems and issues but these are all nations that value equality. Also Canada for a North American example. These are all extremely successful nations.
Hatred must cease. No more should we be divided by raace and ethnicity. South Africa, you can pull through and be a light to the world! From Canada, multiculturalism and tolerance really does work! :)
SHOOO, THIS WEIRD ANTHEM SOUNDS LIKE A GODDAMN FUNERAL. DISLIKED IT IMMEDIATELY. I WONDER HOW THE FUCK THIS POOR & STINKY NATION WAS THE HOST OF A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP... IT'S FULLY UNTHINKABLE. I HOPE SOUTH AFRICA COULD MAKE A BETTER NATIONAL SONG THAN THIS CRAP SO SOON, REALLY.
@ikbenhierso You are supporting the equivalent of nazi policies toward the jews. But the genocide is being done in a much more sneaky and subtler way.
@ikbenhierso White birthrates in all the nations currently erected and founded by whites are now too low to sustain the white population there. Thanks to diversity and unlimited immigration. You can look those stats up. In 20/30 years whites will be an extreme minority on it's way out and we will have no one to blame but ourselves for supporting self destructive policies. I do not believe in the concept of uniformity I believe in preserving the racial diversity that is already present.
@ikbenhierso I aknowledge blacks right to have their own land, be proud, reproduce and exist. you do not do the same for your own people. So we throw the borders open and let everybody come in and encourage embracing other races while only looking and the bad and shunning our own we are going to be assimilated into other races and become extinct. I just want the land my ancestors claimed and that is rightfully my races to belong to my race like it used to.
@ikbenhierso you are a brainwashed fool and a traitor to your race. What do you think is the inevitable conclusion of diversity if every other race is allowed to have pride and have their own areas where they make up the primary part of the population? The destruction of the white race. Do you want light skinned people to disappear? People like you who have no understanding of evolutionary science and the vital necessity of continual racial reproduction are the most evil people in thw world.
@Satanicallyfree There's no such thing as race traitor, there's just traitors to humanity and we are all guilty my friend. CORRUPTION is our greatest threat!
I'm sure even in people that look like you, you can find people that would sooner beat you over the head to take what you have. Don't be silly my friend look around you and start fighting for understanding and respect for one and other. That is the purest form of humanity and civilization.
South African brothers Hi, I'm from Uruguay. I wanted to thank you for the hospitality to our football team and the fellow who went to the world. I wish the best for South Africa, they deserve it. Uruguayan In every heart, there will be a little place in South Africa. Greetings from Montevideo, Uruguay.
@metariane Hey now I love women. And I'm not homophobic I just don't like them flaunting their shit around me disrupting the culture stirring up trouble. If you're gay be respectful like straight people do. Don't go being a fucking cracked out idiot going around with almost no clothes on expecting everyone to kiss your ass just because you're gay and hating the world.
@metariane If you mean that I put my people first and foremost then yes. Call it whatever you want. If you''re white and you don't love your race you are a disgrace of a white person.
@metariane I agree with you, Jaapman is an extremely arrogant sexist, ageist, racist homophobe! To avoid insulting any more people he should keep quiet. I am VERY proud to be an English speaking South African with an inclusive National Anthem.
@Meyricknk I think being part of the Dutch cultural sphere would have strengthened Afrikaners own cultural identity rather than weaken it. It would have been a natural connection to their own roots instead of an unnatural clinging to England. How many books are published in Afrikaans every year? 3000? How many in Dutch? 50.000. I think my point is obvious. I am sorry you are resorting to this sort of name calling. That's not the way to have a civilized debate.
@Jaapman your point is not obvious. There are more Afrikaaners that are not white and have no connection to Holland at all. Are you saying that the 3000 Afrikaans books published each year are unimportant?
Once again you insult the Afrikaaner by implying that the books published in their mother tounge are unimportant and their cultural identity is invaled because it is not Dutch.
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Conclusion: 1. "ikbenhierso" and "metariane" are probably one person with multiple profiles. 2. She is a 45 year old, possibly lesbian woman with feelings of inferiority.
3. I must have touched a raw nerve to have merited such an emotional response. 4. metariane does not have a clue about linguistics and language history.
FYI- 1. I removed a post so I could re-edit it. And then re-post it. 2. I am actually a big fan of women, thank you for your interest. 3. I wont respond to you anymore.
@Jaapman Conclusion? Where is your argument? But, you know, this post of yours makes me not interested in it. So - forget it. You are clearly a homophobic asshole.
@metariane What made you think I was a "stoopid American"?? My Dutch username? Or was it my the many Dutch videos in my favorites? You call my username offensive. Please do elaborate!
Your comments are so amateurish. You sound like someone with partial information and a big ego. I don't know why I even bother responding.
@Jaapman I think , and I may be wrong, the reason she finds you username offensive, is what it means in English. You are such a skilled linguist? You work it out.
@Jaapman I suspect that she will not do this. And neither would. Were you such an expert on languages, you would KNOW why your username is offensive. I do.
@metariane A language is like a child. This language has ONE mother. And without ignoring a small number of loanwords, its mother is Dutch and nothing else. My suspicion that neither Dutch nor Afrikaans are your native tongue were confirmed when I later saw that, by your own admission on your profile, you are "learning Dutch". Visiting Holland and SA and having slept next to a Dutchman doesn't make you an expert on the language. Just like making a world tour- doesn't make me a geographer.
@metariane I never said that the language of this "anthem" was Dutch. I never said that the two terms are interchangeable. If you paid better attention to subtleties you wouldn't sound like someone with "half a brain" (as someone here called you). I corrected your comment that "Afrikaans which was originally partly derived from Dutch". People write such silly things about Afrikaans. As though it is some sort of Esperanto. Magically "derived" from a multitude of mythical sources.
@Jaapman Okay - I have read all the comments here and NOWHERE does this person say this. Jaapman - get over this and just go away because you are wrong and you are making a fool of yourself and this is coming from a NOT lesbian and NOT 45 year old....
@Jaapman metariane made the comment about half a brain to me, and being English and understanding the subtleties of English I understood what was being said. The implication is that you appear to have much less than half a brain.
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@ikbenhierso I did not say the linguistic distance between Dutch and Afrikaans is the same as the different variants of English. I explained that the term"Afrikaans" was originally part of the term "Afrikaans-Hollands" ie "African-Dutch"- in a similar way that we today speak of "American-English".
The decision to separate from Dutch and be defined as a different language was a political and arbitrary decision. Certain uses of the language that were still in use were canceled by SA linguists.
The S African constitution actually gave Afrikaans official status in SA by defining Afrikaans as a legitimate form of the then official language- Dutch (1925) The constitution of 1961 turned things around and determined the official language to be Afrikaans, with Dutch a legitimate form of the same language. The 1981 constitution left out the Dutch part. So what? In 1980 it was still the same language and in 1981 it suddenly wasn't??
@Jaapman Where are you getting this incorrect information? if you knew both languages, you would not post this. Why do you think your source is so reliable? It isn't.
I actually speak both. From a linguistic perspective the distance between Dutch and Afrikaans can be compared to the distance between the standard form of a language and a dialect. According to recent research, there are at least 19 dialects that are more distant from standard Dutch than Afrikaans is. Dialects such as West Flemish can be much harder to understand. In Quebec, the official language is European French, even though the spoken language is a different form of French.
@Jaapman I speak Afrikaans and find Flemish or Low German is much easier to understand than Dutch. Afrikaans is not purely derived from Dutch but also Low German, Malay, Khoi-San, local Black languages as well as bits of French, English Hindi and many more. It was known as Kitchen-Dutch as it was the "common tongue" of the Dutch Colony at the Cape. It is a bit of an insult to say that a language that has its own rules of grammar and Litrature is just a dialect
@Meyricknk, My comments were certainly not meant to be offensive towards Afrikaans. Quite the opposite. I was speaking on a linguistic-philosophical level. The number of loan words from those languages you mentioned constitute less than 5% of the Afrikaans vocabulary. I don't know where you get this "low German" story from. Dutch is historically part of the Low German language area. This was a continuum of dialects that varied slightly from one village to the next.
@Jaapman The Dutch lost control over SA when the British annexed it in the early 1800. in the 1850 many German settlers came to South Africa. Many of the Afrikaans speakers in SA have German roots. My Grndmother and her siblings spoke Low German in the home.
@Meyricknk. Low German can be seen as one of the predecessors that contributed to modern Dutch. But it is not a separate and clearly defined language. As far as I'm aware, all the French words in Afrikaans came to it through Dutch. I don't know why people in SA are so anxious to praise "Flemish" over Dutch. There is no Flemish language as such. Just like there is no Austrian language and no Australian language. The official language of Flanders is Dutch.
I don't mean to sound condescending but I wonder where a South African these days might be exposed to people speaking "Low German" or "Flemish". There are many different dialects spoken in Flanders. If you had heard a Flemish news announcer you would have heard language that is very similar to the standard Dutch as it is spoken in Holland. If however, you overheard a conversation between real Flemish dialect speakers, you might have a very hard time figuring out what they're saying.
@Jaapman South Africa is not a backward third world country as many Europeans think, we have large numbers of tourists and in my line of work I come into contact with many of them.
My ideas rely in part on the thoughts of Afrikaans linguist Petrus van Eeden. He argues that the linguistic distance between the spoken language in SA and official Dutch did not justify a separation between the two. This separation was the result of political developments. He believes that Afrikaners could have continued to speak their own dialect in day to day situations and still have kept European Dutch as the official language- similar to the situation in modern day Quebec.
@Jaapman the separatin between Afrikaans was politial in that SA was a British colony and no longer Dutch. As South Africans we have always tried to be inclusive and Afrikaans included bits of the languages of the many peoples of SA and was recognised and adopted as a language distinct from Dutch before the Nationalist Government came into power. Is an African language and not a European language dispite its strong European influances.
@Meyricknk You are right that the first separation of minds came before the sixties. It came as the result of Afrikaners feeling to some degree betrayed by Holland when it didn't intervene on their behalf in the Boer war. Before that the Afrikaners were some of the most passionate defenders of the Dutch language. Just take the first language monument for example. Afrikaans linguists had to work very hard to arbitrarily change things to make Afrikaans look more distinct from Dutch.
@Meyricknk. The result would have been that Afrikaners would have remained part of the Dutch cultural sphere as opposed to being increasingly influenced by English. It would have meant that a huge world of literary works and cultural achievements would have been available to Afrikaners. It also means that the separation of minds (between the Dutch and the Afrikaners of the nineteen sixties) if you will, would have been less deep.
@Jaapman Why should the Afrikaaners have have remained in the "Dutch cultural sphere" when they have succeded in creating their own distinct culture. There are many "literary works and cultural achievements" available in Afrikaans. Although I am an English speaking South African, like most South Africans have spoken Afrikaans most of my life. The separation between Dutch and Afrikaans minds started long before 1960, 1961 being year that we became a Republic and separated from the UK, not Holland
@Meyricknk. Every language borrows words from others. That is normal. The Dutch borrow words from the dominant cultural language of our age which unfortunately is English. But Afrikaners these days borrow entire constructions. By analogy one might say that the Dutch build a Dutch house occasionally using an English brick. The Afrikaners are building an English house more and more.
You are repeating some of the un-based cliches that people like to repeat. Afrikaans is not an African language.
@Meyricknk. Unfortunately, the Afrikaners turned away from Holland and the Dutch reneged on their moral responsibility towards the Afrikaners. And that is part of the tragedy of SA.
There is a certain measure of moral responsibility that Holland should take towards the Afrikaners. That approach was one of the reasons the Dutch had such big mouths in the anti apartheid movement. There is a tremendous amount that Holland can do for Afrikaners. Holland spends fortunes on funding all sorts of bottomless third world development nonsense. If they spent a fraction of that encouraging Afrikaner employment maybe they would not have to leave SA to find employment. Just one example.
@Jaapman if you unable to say anything without insulting someone maybe you should not say anything at all. South Africa is my country. All South Africans are my people.
Find out what the anti apartheid movement did for Afrikaaners.
On a side note, English is not a Latin language at all. It's a Germanic language with about 30% French and Latin "loanwords". If the Americans decided to call their version of the English language "American" or if the Australians were to decide their version of English is now called "Australian" it would be the same thing. You have managed to put so many silly mistakes in such a short message. Lees eens een boek voor je je mond voorbij spreekt.
@Jaapman hello there "jaapman" i am a official agent assigned to the internet for any potentially harmful behaviour, and i have found you, i suggest you stop or i will have the authority to shut down all your accounts and credit cards ect.
Are you sure you speak Dutch? If you did you probably wouldn't have made the assumption that I am a "stoopid" American. (try using spell-check if you are having trouble there). Audibly, according to recent research, Afrikaans ranks 23d out 42 Dutch dialects in it's proximity to Standard Dutch. Afrikaans was designated a separate language for political reasons. I suggest you look up the website of Afrikaans linguist Petrus van Eeden.
Afrikaans is 95% Dutch. Open up any book in Afrikaans on any random page. With the exception of a small number of frequently occurring words like "baie"", you need to search long and hard to find a word that is not Dutch or of Dutch origin. The word "Afrikaans" comes from the expression Äfrikaans- Hollands" (African-Dutch) in the same way that today we speak of "American English".
@Jaapman This tells me that you know ONE of these languages, not both of them. And you cannot dismiss me by calling me a 50 yr old lesbian....lol - as if 50 year old lesbians are automatically wrong....lol...Not everyone shares your prejudices.
@Mr1in1000000 This definitely true. The black people thought that, if they got a black government, everything would be okay...and would restore the balance. It did not.
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@metariane holy shit who are you? I know its afrikaans, its that other guy who said it was dutch, and hes not entirely wrong, it was dutch a few hundred years ago....
@utuberlol the first verse of our National Anthem is in isiXhosa and isiZulu the second verse is in SeSotho the third verse is Afrikaans and the last verse is English. The South African anthem never had any Dutch in it.
@utuberlol HOLY SHIT WHO ARE YOU - HOW COME YOU KISSED THE ASS OF A MAN WHO TOLD YOU WERE WRONG AND RESPONDED TO A WOMAN WHO DID SO BY SAYING "HOLY SHIT WHO ARE YOU?"ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CLEARLY DID SAY IT WAS DUTCH. LOL
South Africa is of the Afrikaners and the tribes who migrated there when the Afrikaners settled down. They basicly started living permanently at the same time with the Afrikaners coming from the south and the tribes from the north. Both have as much right to live there.
You mean the intertwining of cultures will bring problems? Where is the logics in that?
Afrikaners are a fusion of cultures themselves, Dutch, French Huguenot, German and yes even aspect of English and Native African influences via bloodlines, language, etc.
actually the logics in that is quite accurate... when cultures are intertwined it can create or rather, WILL create disputes between the cultures.. .what a stupid thing to ssay....
yes it would be great if all the cultures could intertwine and we could live in harmony however, such is human nature and it will not happen.... at least for a while
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You are wrong. South Africa is mosly black and think everything belongs to them. The white people may do not even have jobs. The black people say that the white people may not have a job. And that is why the most whit South Africans immegrates to other countries.
Get your history right ...all of you. This national theme is originally the zambian anthem...STAND AND SING OF ZAMBIA, PROUD AND FREE,LAND OF WORK AND JOY AND UNITY. ....stop giving credit to the ones who just stole the tune and made it in god knows how many languages...it fukin hurts ...its our anthem and im indian born n bred in zambia!!
Sounds a lot like the Tanzanian national anthem, That is where I'm from. God bless all of Africa. Eliminate racism, blood diamonds, military juntas, greed and poverty and the great continent. Long live democracy !
It sounds like the Tanzanian anthem because it's based off the same hymn, Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika. Several countries have used this hymn, it's considered something of a pan-African anthem. The second half of the anthem is a shortened version of the old anthem that was used before Mandela was released from prison.
It was actually written in 1897 as a hymn for the children of the Methodist mission school in Johannesburg in which the composer Enoch Sontonga taught. Over the last century more verses have been added.
@theonlydashort1 - I'll bet it pre-dates the itsy bitsy spider by quite some time; whatever your opinion of the melody, it's superior to a lot of national anthems in that it promotes peace and doesn't glorify war - we could all name several right off the bat that are all about guns & violence.
Joseph Reginal Clay's wife, as he betrothed me, in Neu Ulm Germany 1991 during the Persian Gulf War. Where there is injustice as mental illness in the side of the world as is the English in the USA may that God see that colored are the sound.
@zzahier can I use the music for my Windows Phone app, I need an instrumental version of Nkosi Sikelel iAfrika
MrShortM 3 months ago
The handiwork of subhumans.
marcusantonius90 3 months ago
so similar to Israel Hatikva
valvetrom 4 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=-0yYLThCO4k
Pidinho100 4 months ago
@ikbenhierso
Misschien wel uit interesse? Ik heb ook uit interesse geleerd en tijdje in ZA gewoond. er zijn ook zoveel die Japans leren ook maar 1 land op de planeet toch?
Trouwens niet alleen Zuid Afrika maar ook Namibie spreken ze Afrikaans
Greetz
wayhlan 5 months ago
@wayhlan
Afrikaans leren is niet zo heel erg moeilijk het lijkt op nederlands
mathiasvanacker 4 months ago
It's funny...all say that Africa is only for black, but when someone says "Europe for white" all call these people "dirty racists". Why? Mystery.
LarryScottBB 5 months ago
@LarryScottBB Black Racism.
MegaGojira3000 4 months ago
RIP
ChristianCrusader96 6 months ago
What the kaffirs have done to this once great nation is a tragedy of epic proportions. RIP Suid Afrika
sparky28546 6 months ago 3
the real south african national anthem should be the Nigga song.
NIGGA NIGGA NIGGA NIGGA NIGGA NIGGA, IM 100 PERCENT NIGGA!
1xxGUNSxx1 7 months ago
@1xxGUNSxx1 racist?
cooldj729 7 months ago
@1xxGUNSxx1 ... there was racism there untill 1996, white people ruled the country for over 350 years...
lifethelifetoday 5 months ago
@theCuno100 And yet we have Canada, and it has most certainly worked here. There is a difference between multiculturalism and being forced to agree with another culture. I just wish people would stop hating each other. Not all Muslims feel tha way, neither do all Jews. Sadly many do, but I always hope that one day we will all live in peace.
benjazikinzie 7 months ago
@theCuno100 Did I ever say only whites had to be multicultural? I said that we shouldn't be divided by race and ethnicity and that hatred must cease. I think every country should be multicultural and tolerant-who cares about skin colour? It's just pigment. Who cares about religion? It's just belief. I think that if we all adopted this attitude the world would be a happier place.
benjazikinzie 7 months ago
@theCuno100 I don't really understand...what's "north america europe"/ But examples would be Britain, France, the Netherlands, Belgiu,, etc. There are problems and issues but these are all nations that value equality. Also Canada for a North American example. These are all extremely successful nations.
benjazikinzie 7 months ago
@theCuno100 You clearly missed the point of my comment. I'm sorry you feel that way but it's your opinion so we'll have to agree to disagree.
benjazikinzie 7 months ago
Hatred must cease. No more should we be divided by raace and ethnicity. South Africa, you can pull through and be a light to the world! From Canada, multiculturalism and tolerance really does work! :)
benjazikinzie 8 months ago
SHOOO, THIS WEIRD ANTHEM SOUNDS LIKE A GODDAMN FUNERAL. DISLIKED IT IMMEDIATELY. I WONDER HOW THE FUCK THIS POOR & STINKY NATION WAS THE HOST OF A FOOTBALL WORLD CUP... IT'S FULLY UNTHINKABLE. I HOPE SOUTH AFRICA COULD MAKE A BETTER NATIONAL SONG THAN THIS CRAP SO SOON, REALLY.
erakliantis 9 months ago
@erakliantis ... dude fuck you......dont be a troller on a ntion you dont know.....jy is so onbeskof.....
mishqahberowsky 8 months ago
Such a beautiful anthem.
In Afrikaans language u feel more...
Love from Turkey..
Mattmete 1 year ago
/watch?v=gZ-gw4AWpW4
Watch NOW
MyStateKosova 1 year ago
the africaan alphabet sounds almost exactly like the swedish.
ddenbeesta 1 year ago
(1:12) starts the best part.
kvr13 1 year ago
Wonderful anthem. Wonderful World Cup hosts. Such a pity about the poor quality of the football playing though.
alexbeyaz 1 year ago
greetings frm ghana i think u guys did well on hosting the world cup bravo
Mayumijacko 1 year ago
@ikbenhierso You are supporting the equivalent of nazi policies toward the jews. But the genocide is being done in a much more sneaky and subtler way.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@ikbenhierso White birthrates in all the nations currently erected and founded by whites are now too low to sustain the white population there. Thanks to diversity and unlimited immigration. You can look those stats up. In 20/30 years whites will be an extreme minority on it's way out and we will have no one to blame but ourselves for supporting self destructive policies. I do not believe in the concept of uniformity I believe in preserving the racial diversity that is already present.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@ikbenhierso I aknowledge blacks right to have their own land, be proud, reproduce and exist. you do not do the same for your own people. So we throw the borders open and let everybody come in and encourage embracing other races while only looking and the bad and shunning our own we are going to be assimilated into other races and become extinct. I just want the land my ancestors claimed and that is rightfully my races to belong to my race like it used to.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@ikbenhierso you are a brainwashed fool and a traitor to your race. What do you think is the inevitable conclusion of diversity if every other race is allowed to have pride and have their own areas where they make up the primary part of the population? The destruction of the white race. Do you want light skinned people to disappear? People like you who have no understanding of evolutionary science and the vital necessity of continual racial reproduction are the most evil people in thw world.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@Satanicallyfree There's no such thing as race traitor, there's just traitors to humanity and we are all guilty my friend. CORRUPTION is our greatest threat!
I'm sure even in people that look like you, you can find people that would sooner beat you over the head to take what you have. Don't be silly my friend look around you and start fighting for understanding and respect for one and other. That is the purest form of humanity and civilization.
MUGiSA3000 1 year ago
South African brothers Hi, I'm from Uruguay. I wanted to thank you for the hospitality to our football team and the fellow who went to the world. I wish the best for South Africa, they deserve it. Uruguayan In every heart, there will be a little place in South Africa. Greetings from Montevideo, Uruguay.
jonauruguay 1 year ago
@metariane Hey now I love women. And I'm not homophobic I just don't like them flaunting their shit around me disrupting the culture stirring up trouble. If you're gay be respectful like straight people do. Don't go being a fucking cracked out idiot going around with almost no clothes on expecting everyone to kiss your ass just because you're gay and hating the world.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@metariane If you mean that I put my people first and foremost then yes. Call it whatever you want. If you''re white and you don't love your race you are a disgrace of a white person.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@metariane I agree with you, Jaapman is an extremely arrogant sexist, ageist, racist homophobe! To avoid insulting any more people he should keep quiet. I am VERY proud to be an English speaking South African with an inclusive National Anthem.
God bless Africa!
Guard her children.
Guide her leaders,
And give her peace.
Meyricknk 1 year ago 4
@Meyricknk I think being part of the Dutch cultural sphere would have strengthened Afrikaners own cultural identity rather than weaken it. It would have been a natural connection to their own roots instead of an unnatural clinging to England. How many books are published in Afrikaans every year? 3000? How many in Dutch? 50.000. I think my point is obvious. I am sorry you are resorting to this sort of name calling. That's not the way to have a civilized debate.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman your point is not obvious. There are more Afrikaaners that are not white and have no connection to Holland at all. Are you saying that the 3000 Afrikaans books published each year are unimportant?
Once again you insult the Afrikaaner by implying that the books published in their mother tounge are unimportant and their cultural identity is invaled because it is not Dutch.
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@metariane He is...
minkinimmins 1 year ago 11
Jaaspman - count the number of votes your comments have. Then go and lick your wounds.
minkinimmins 1 year ago 30
@ikbenhierso Yes - go the fuck away Jaapman.
minkinimmins 1 year ago 10
@metariane I agree.Jaapman is full of shit.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 5
@ikbenhierso This is true. Jaapman is a liar.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 4
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Conclusion: 1. "ikbenhierso" and "metariane" are probably one person with multiple profiles. 2. She is a 45 year old, possibly lesbian woman with feelings of inferiority.
3. I must have touched a raw nerve to have merited such an emotional response. 4. metariane does not have a clue about linguistics and language history.
FYI- 1. I removed a post so I could re-edit it. And then re-post it. 2. I am actually a big fan of women, thank you for your interest. 3. I wont respond to you anymore.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman Conclusion? Where is your argument? But, you know, this post of yours makes me not interested in it. So - forget it. You are clearly a homophobic asshole.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 11
@Jaapman lol - not the "you must be a lesbian" chestnut. How embarrassing for you Jaapman....
minkinimmins 1 year ago 20
@minkinimmins don't know if you know it.. but i thought of this as soon as i read that comment
thezulucow 1 year ago
@metariane What made you think I was a "stoopid American"?? My Dutch username? Or was it my the many Dutch videos in my favorites? You call my username offensive. Please do elaborate!
Your comments are so amateurish. You sound like someone with partial information and a big ego. I don't know why I even bother responding.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman I think , and I may be wrong, the reason she finds you username offensive, is what it means in English. You are such a skilled linguist? You work it out.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 6
@Jaapman I suspect that she will not do this. And neither would. Were you such an expert on languages, you would KNOW why your username is offensive. I do.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 6
@metariane A language is like a child. This language has ONE mother. And without ignoring a small number of loanwords, its mother is Dutch and nothing else. My suspicion that neither Dutch nor Afrikaans are your native tongue were confirmed when I later saw that, by your own admission on your profile, you are "learning Dutch". Visiting Holland and SA and having slept next to a Dutchman doesn't make you an expert on the language. Just like making a world tour- doesn't make me a geographer.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman Okay - now you have lost what little ground you had, Jaapman. Resorting to insults is the resort of the truly desperate.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 5
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Jaapman 1 year ago
@metariane I never said that the language of this "anthem" was Dutch. I never said that the two terms are interchangeable. If you paid better attention to subtleties you wouldn't sound like someone with "half a brain" (as someone here called you). I corrected your comment that "Afrikaans which was originally partly derived from Dutch". People write such silly things about Afrikaans. As though it is some sort of Esperanto. Magically "derived" from a multitude of mythical sources.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman Okay - I have read all the comments here and NOWHERE does this person say this. Jaapman - get over this and just go away because you are wrong and you are making a fool of yourself and this is coming from a NOT lesbian and NOT 45 year old....
bollocksy123 1 year ago 5
@Jaapman metariane made the comment about half a brain to me, and being English and understanding the subtleties of English I understood what was being said. The implication is that you appear to have much less than half a brain.
Meyricknk 1 year ago
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@ikbenhierso I did not say the linguistic distance between Dutch and Afrikaans is the same as the different variants of English. I explained that the term"Afrikaans" was originally part of the term "Afrikaans-Hollands" ie "African-Dutch"- in a similar way that we today speak of "American-English".
The decision to separate from Dutch and be defined as a different language was a political and arbitrary decision. Certain uses of the language that were still in use were canceled by SA linguists.
Jaapman 1 year ago
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@ikbenhierso
The S African constitution actually gave Afrikaans official status in SA by defining Afrikaans as a legitimate form of the then official language- Dutch (1925) The constitution of 1961 turned things around and determined the official language to be Afrikaans, with Dutch a legitimate form of the same language. The 1981 constitution left out the Dutch part. So what? In 1980 it was still the same language and in 1981 it suddenly wasn't??
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman Where are you getting this incorrect information? if you knew both languages, you would not post this. Why do you think your source is so reliable? It isn't.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 6
@ikbenhierso
I actually speak both. From a linguistic perspective the distance between Dutch and Afrikaans can be compared to the distance between the standard form of a language and a dialect. According to recent research, there are at least 19 dialects that are more distant from standard Dutch than Afrikaans is. Dialects such as West Flemish can be much harder to understand. In Quebec, the official language is European French, even though the spoken language is a different form of French.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman I speak Afrikaans and find Flemish or Low German is much easier to understand than Dutch. Afrikaans is not purely derived from Dutch but also Low German, Malay, Khoi-San, local Black languages as well as bits of French, English Hindi and many more. It was known as Kitchen-Dutch as it was the "common tongue" of the Dutch Colony at the Cape. It is a bit of an insult to say that a language that has its own rules of grammar and Litrature is just a dialect
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@Meyricknk, My comments were certainly not meant to be offensive towards Afrikaans. Quite the opposite. I was speaking on a linguistic-philosophical level. The number of loan words from those languages you mentioned constitute less than 5% of the Afrikaans vocabulary. I don't know where you get this "low German" story from. Dutch is historically part of the Low German language area. This was a continuum of dialects that varied slightly from one village to the next.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman The Dutch lost control over SA when the British annexed it in the early 1800. in the 1850 many German settlers came to South Africa. Many of the Afrikaans speakers in SA have German roots. My Grndmother and her siblings spoke Low German in the home.
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@Jaapman Count them flags.
minkinimmins 1 year ago
@Meyricknk. Low German can be seen as one of the predecessors that contributed to modern Dutch. But it is not a separate and clearly defined language. As far as I'm aware, all the French words in Afrikaans came to it through Dutch. I don't know why people in SA are so anxious to praise "Flemish" over Dutch. There is no Flemish language as such. Just like there is no Austrian language and no Australian language. The official language of Flanders is Dutch.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman the French words came to Africaans through the French Hugonots not the Dutch
Meyricknk 1 year ago
I don't mean to sound condescending but I wonder where a South African these days might be exposed to people speaking "Low German" or "Flemish". There are many different dialects spoken in Flanders. If you had heard a Flemish news announcer you would have heard language that is very similar to the standard Dutch as it is spoken in Holland. If however, you overheard a conversation between real Flemish dialect speakers, you might have a very hard time figuring out what they're saying.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman South Africa is not a backward third world country as many Europeans think, we have large numbers of tourists and in my line of work I come into contact with many of them.
Meyricknk 1 year ago
My ideas rely in part on the thoughts of Afrikaans linguist Petrus van Eeden. He argues that the linguistic distance between the spoken language in SA and official Dutch did not justify a separation between the two. This separation was the result of political developments. He believes that Afrikaners could have continued to speak their own dialect in day to day situations and still have kept European Dutch as the official language- similar to the situation in modern day Quebec.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman the separatin between Afrikaans was politial in that SA was a British colony and no longer Dutch. As South Africans we have always tried to be inclusive and Afrikaans included bits of the languages of the many peoples of SA and was recognised and adopted as a language distinct from Dutch before the Nationalist Government came into power. Is an African language and not a European language dispite its strong European influances.
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@Meyricknk You are right that the first separation of minds came before the sixties. It came as the result of Afrikaners feeling to some degree betrayed by Holland when it didn't intervene on their behalf in the Boer war. Before that the Afrikaners were some of the most passionate defenders of the Dutch language. Just take the first language monument for example. Afrikaans linguists had to work very hard to arbitrarily change things to make Afrikaans look more distinct from Dutch.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Meyricknk. The result would have been that Afrikaners would have remained part of the Dutch cultural sphere as opposed to being increasingly influenced by English. It would have meant that a huge world of literary works and cultural achievements would have been available to Afrikaners. It also means that the separation of minds (between the Dutch and the Afrikaners of the nineteen sixties) if you will, would have been less deep.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman Why should the Afrikaaners have have remained in the "Dutch cultural sphere" when they have succeded in creating their own distinct culture. There are many "literary works and cultural achievements" available in Afrikaans. Although I am an English speaking South African, like most South Africans have spoken Afrikaans most of my life. The separation between Dutch and Afrikaans minds started long before 1960, 1961 being year that we became a Republic and separated from the UK, not Holland
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@Jaapman it is also interesting how many English words are used in spoken Dutch today.
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@Meyricknk. Every language borrows words from others. That is normal. The Dutch borrow words from the dominant cultural language of our age which unfortunately is English. But Afrikaners these days borrow entire constructions. By analogy one might say that the Dutch build a Dutch house occasionally using an English brick. The Afrikaners are building an English house more and more.
You are repeating some of the un-based cliches that people like to repeat. Afrikaans is not an African language.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman I am English speaking unfortunately
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@Meyricknk. Unfortunately, the Afrikaners turned away from Holland and the Dutch reneged on their moral responsibility towards the Afrikaners. And that is part of the tragedy of SA.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman the arrogance of the Dutch mind that see themselves as the failed saviours of South Africa
Meyricknk 1 year ago
There is a certain measure of moral responsibility that Holland should take towards the Afrikaners. That approach was one of the reasons the Dutch had such big mouths in the anti apartheid movement. There is a tremendous amount that Holland can do for Afrikaners. Holland spends fortunes on funding all sorts of bottomless third world development nonsense. If they spent a fraction of that encouraging Afrikaner employment maybe they would not have to leave SA to find employment. Just one example.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman if you unable to say anything without insulting someone maybe you should not say anything at all. South Africa is my country. All South Africans are my people.
Find out what the anti apartheid movement did for Afrikaaners.
Meyricknk 1 year ago
@Meyricknk Aaaahhh... the truth at last. IGNORE JAAPMAN (In English vagina man).
minkinimmins 1 year ago
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@metariane
On a side note, English is not a Latin language at all. It's a Germanic language with about 30% French and Latin "loanwords". If the Americans decided to call their version of the English language "American" or if the Australians were to decide their version of English is now called "Australian" it would be the same thing. You have managed to put so many silly mistakes in such a short message. Lees eens een boek voor je je mond voorbij spreekt.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman hello there "jaapman" i am a official agent assigned to the internet for any potentially harmful behaviour, and i have found you, i suggest you stop or i will have the authority to shut down all your accounts and credit cards ect.
skateboardiffication 4 months ago
@metariane
Are you sure you speak Dutch? If you did you probably wouldn't have made the assumption that I am a "stoopid" American. (try using spell-check if you are having trouble there). Audibly, according to recent research, Afrikaans ranks 23d out 42 Dutch dialects in it's proximity to Standard Dutch. Afrikaans was designated a separate language for political reasons. I suggest you look up the website of Afrikaans linguist Petrus van Eeden.
Jaapman 1 year ago
one thing,,,,,South africans are LOVING, CARING, CHEERFUL, SIMPLE people......that WORLD CUP was one of the best, if not the best one organised!!!
South Africa is really a unique land blessed with amazing people...
(am from mauritius)
Ilfaaz 1 year ago
South Africa's anthem is actually good and not forgettable like 80% of others. South Africas is second best after Russias.
GerudoUK 1 year ago
A shocking lack of vuvuzela.
Just joking, though. Beautiful music.
GizmoLico 1 year ago
love from kosovo
MrALbO22 1 year ago
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@metariane
Afrikaans is 95% Dutch. Open up any book in Afrikaans on any random page. With the exception of a small number of frequently occurring words like "baie"", you need to search long and hard to find a word that is not Dutch or of Dutch origin. The word "Afrikaans" comes from the expression Äfrikaans- Hollands" (African-Dutch) in the same way that today we speak of "American English".
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman What a lot of unadulterated nonsense....lol Is wikipedia your god, young man?
bollocksy123 1 year ago 6
@Jaapman This tells me that you know ONE of these languages, not both of them. And you cannot dismiss me by calling me a 50 yr old lesbian....lol - as if 50 year old lesbians are automatically wrong....lol...Not everyone shares your prejudices.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 5
Shameful anthem. It represents oppression and injustice. So does that ridiculous flag. Shame on you. South Africa was a great country. Not anymore.
Jaapman 1 year ago
if only the government can become better,we would be an even loving country.
Mr1in1000000 1 year ago
@Mr1in1000000 my point exactly.the goverment is weak.
88motho 1 year ago
@Mr1in1000000 This definitely true. The black people thought that, if they got a black government, everything would be okay...and would restore the balance. It did not.
holborn098 1 year ago 7
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@metariane holy shit who are you? I know its afrikaans, its that other guy who said it was dutch, and hes not entirely wrong, it was dutch a few hundred years ago....
utuberlol 1 year ago
@utuberlol the first verse of our National Anthem is in isiXhosa and isiZulu the second verse is in SeSotho the third verse is Afrikaans and the last verse is English. The South African anthem never had any Dutch in it.
Meyricknk 1 year ago 3
@Meyricknk Yeah, I know the story no worries mate :) Thanks for re-eductating me on it though
utuberlol 1 year ago
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@utuberlol lol....Of course you do.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 3
@Meyricknk Lord - the truth at last.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 6
@utuberlol You don't know it's Afrikaans - you told some one else on here that it was Dutch. lol...what an...idiot.....
bollocksy123 1 year ago 7
@utuberlol HOLY SHIT WHO ARE YOU - HOW COME YOU KISSED THE ASS OF A MAN WHO TOLD YOU WERE WRONG AND RESPONDED TO A WOMAN WHO DID SO BY SAYING "HOLY SHIT WHO ARE YOU?"ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CLEARLY DID SAY IT WAS DUTCH. LOL
holborn098 1 year ago 8
South Africa is a great country!!
MrMatu2t 1 year ago 2
This anthem is really awesome !!! I sang it almost every day last time !!!
NationalAnthem100 1 year ago
i love south africa :D partly cuz i was born there :P
rumerrocks 1 year ago
This anthem is dutch. (begin).
nielos1 1 year ago
@nielos1 no its not mate, first part is in zhulu, the middle part is "dutch"
utuberlol 1 year ago
oor ons ewige gebergtes var die kranse antwood gee
WhoaJ30 1 year ago
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go gay i mean rainbow flag hehe, i like the anthem btw
michael18216 1 year ago
rainbow nation for life
SMURFER247 2 years ago
best national anthem in the world!!!! You can see my top 5 anthems on top 5 national anthems on youtube. Beautifyul country!
ulula97 2 years ago
Beautiful South Africa !
Greetings from Argentina.
hernicolas1 2 years ago 4
where do the zulus live?
Savemejerichofozzy1 2 years ago
@Savemejerichofozzy1
wat taal sing hierdie mense in.
waffenlandser 2 years ago
Zululand primarily and throughout South Africa
tyronepike 2 years ago
i'm white but south africa is black.
and it's great .. blacks are great
NapulePerSempre 2 years ago
South Africa IS NOT WHITE - it's SOUTH AFRICAN..
end of story.
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago 12
South Africa is of the Afrikaners and the tribes who migrated there when the Afrikaners settled down. They basicly started living permanently at the same time with the Afrikaners coming from the south and the tribes from the north. Both have as much right to live there.
Spartiatai300 2 years ago
Yes I agree - I dislike the idea that South Africa belongs to one "race", tribe, etc. (Note the "" - there is one race is that is the human race)
I don't look at myself as an "Anglo South African" or "White South African" I am simply "South African".
The fusion of cultures be it Zulu, Afrikaans, Anglo, etc. is what makes South Africa, South African...
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago
Well I'm not saying it should all be fused, that would eventually make to much problems. I'm just saying they all have the right to live there.
Spartiatai300 2 years ago
You mean the intertwining of cultures will bring problems? Where is the logics in that?
Afrikaners are a fusion of cultures themselves, Dutch, French Huguenot, German and yes even aspect of English and Native African influences via bloodlines, language, etc.
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago 3
Culteres why aren't in the bit similar will bring social problems, thats simple logic.
The Afrikaners are their own culture which came there by the mixing of same similar cultures and even then they clinged to their main Dutch culture.
Spartiatai300 2 years ago
actually the logics in that is quite accurate... when cultures are intertwined it can create or rather, WILL create disputes between the cultures.. .what a stupid thing to ssay....
yes it would be great if all the cultures could intertwine and we could live in harmony however, such is human nature and it will not happen.... at least for a while
8Elvenfury8 2 years ago
that's right, We are the Rainbow Nation!!!
trina252 2 years ago
@trina252 So you're a nation in turmoil with tons of different types of people all forced to live together. Is it fun living with gays and negroids?
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@NeoFalcon69 It'll always be white. Blacks aren't people.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
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BlackPeopleWorldwide 2 years ago
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the country of HIV
SamsungDOOL 2 years ago
S.Korea is the country of dog eating
RonPaul45 2 years ago
@RonPaul45 True.
bollocksy123 1 year ago 5
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add me as a friend to begin with.
see the details...
BlackPeopleWorldwide 2 years ago
South Africa is mostly white what are you talking about?
Satanicallyfree 2 years ago
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You are wrong. South Africa is mosly black and think everything belongs to them. The white people may do not even have jobs. The black people say that the white people may not have a job. And that is why the most whit South Africans immegrates to other countries.
matrap100 2 years ago
@Satanicallyfree No it isn't. What a retard you are Satanicallyfree
bollocksy123 1 year ago 7
@bollocksy123 You count blacks as people that's the problem.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@bollocksy123 guess who's the retard? Eat some of my hot luscious balls bitch!
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
bad but true
SirBismarck 2 years ago
Get your history right ...all of you. This national theme is originally the zambian anthem...STAND AND SING OF ZAMBIA, PROUD AND FREE,LAND OF WORK AND JOY AND UNITY. ....stop giving credit to the ones who just stole the tune and made it in god knows how many languages...it fukin hurts ...its our anthem and im indian born n bred in zambia!!
hoeyoe 2 years ago
ZAMBIA FREE ???????? muaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha
SirBismarck 2 years ago 2
the word is three
three languages (:
and please next time DONT rape the caps lock key .. thanks.
merhatthat 2 years ago
@hoeyoe written by a South African
Meyricknk 1 year ago
im pakistani and i want 2 say that RSA has a great anthem. good bless south africa
MegaMusman 2 years ago
One of the Greatest Anthem in Africa and Ghana (Gold Coast)Anthem too
iisaacsss 2 years ago
Sounds a lot like the Tanzanian national anthem, That is where I'm from. God bless all of Africa. Eliminate racism, blood diamonds, military juntas, greed and poverty and the great continent. Long live democracy !
serekithegreat 3 years ago 2
agreed
jovvii 2 years ago
It sounds like the Tanzanian anthem because it's based off the same hymn, Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika. Several countries have used this hymn, it's considered something of a pan-African anthem. The second half of the anthem is a shortened version of the old anthem that was used before Mandela was released from prison.
StolenkissGerbils 2 years ago 2
Actually if you sing the childrens song itsy bitsy spider you will find it very similar, lol not much originality
theonlydashort1 2 years ago
It used to be a pan-African church song. I know that because my mom used to sing it at school far before Apartheid has ended.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
It was actually written in 1897 as a hymn for the children of the Methodist mission school in Johannesburg in which the composer Enoch Sontonga taught. Over the last century more verses have been added.
@theonlydashort1 - I'll bet it pre-dates the itsy bitsy spider by quite some time; whatever your opinion of the melody, it's superior to a lot of national anthems in that it promotes peace and doesn't glorify war - we could all name several right off the bat that are all about guns & violence.
StolenkissGerbils 2 years ago
Nkosi skelel iAfrica
Should be the anthem of Africa
The best National Anthem ever
Jesusthepalestinian 2 years ago
lovely anthem
great country
amazing people
south africa
a unique land
alconkistador 3 years ago 14
Joseph Reginal Clay's wife, as he betrothed me, in Neu Ulm Germany 1991 during the Persian Gulf War. Where there is injustice as mental illness in the side of the world as is the English in the USA may that God see that colored are the sound.
Sundus Sami George Sha'aouni
susanstar1234 3 years ago