Perpetual Celibates: The men who suffer most, part 2

[rexxthunder]

I've dated somewhat but I have been celibate most of my adult life. I'm at a point where I feel like I'm not good enough for any woman and I've become very bitter and angry. What's worse is I'm seeing my nephew go through the same thing. He's one of the nicest kids I know, just like I was. Now most of my friends and coworkers think I'm an angry asshole. Life hasn't been kind to me with regards to women.

[MrSchultzstaffel]

@rexxthunder Isn't it interesting when society claims that revolting social outcasts and freaks like Chaz Bono are completely normal as a single individual against the societial whole because the majority is wrong; and Chaz bono is right.But...if you...a man who isn't ashamed or afraid of being a man can't seem to fit into the feminist-dominated, social freak-show that male/female relations have become these days, then suddenly all women are blameless and YOU have a problem.Double standard? lol

[beloon1970]

Women helping men out.I don't think so.

[mango2005]

Im no longer perpetually celibate but they don't stay the night and don;t want to get to know me. I am usually celibate though. Fear of rejection is a major factor for men with low self-esteem. A lot of cute men think they are ugly so write off potential partners as out of their league.

[MrHav1k]

This is the kind of shit that makes a man want to kill himself.

[MrHav1k]

OH MY GOD this shit is so real.

[sigmaK9]

"Do women want to help?" you ask.

The answer is a resounding "HELL NO!!"

They don't give a shit about us. Plain and simple.

[conradjulian]

We're just heading back towards long term norm of human evolution. Apparently women don't find about two-thirds of the male population sexually desirable, and the genetic evidence supports that figure. The welfare state in developed societies has replaced the beta males women used to have to marry. Now these bitches can just throw themselves on the penises of the small proportion of alpha males and ignore all the low status guys.

[Revorob]

@NatTurnerIsAlive I agree completely. We live in a society where about 90% of women think they are too good for about 90% of men. It is all part of the entitlement attitude brought on by feminism. As a result, women are effectively breeding a generation of misogynists. I know guys - incels - I know guys who have done things to hurt women purely as a result of understandable frustration at a complete lack of female companionship. On a grand scale, this hurts society as a whole.

[leostomicek]

Asking women to help out men is wishful thinking.

[CCRoxtar]

@leostomicek I agree that we can't rely on women to help us, although I also agree that women started the gender war & thus only women can stop it. So I doubt that the gender war will end in my lifetime. I for one have learned by now to stop turning to women & start turning to myself for happiness & entertainment. I've learned that part of growing up is becoming emotionally self-sufficient, i.e., able to function in society without a partner. Better alone than in bad company!

[leostomicek]

@CCRoxtar I see a lot of men being frustrated from the lack of women. The realisation that there is nothing to be frustrated about, which came after few relationships, was the most liberating discovery in my life.

[GjVj]

LOL, so after all that, your message boils down to: "Ladies, please give me a pity fuck, please, I'm begging ya..."

Dude, get a grip.

[Revorob]

@GjVj I think you have missed the point of the vid. Women need to get over the idea of meeting the "perfect" man at the expense of rejecting 90% of men. Many incels are great guys - just not perfect. Ultimately, women make their own lives more difficult by being too selective as this merely creates frustration amongst men who ultimately take it out on women. Nowehere in the vid does the speaker ask for a "pity fuck". He lists many realities and at least tries to be constructive about it.

[nikkiwindham]

I think a lot of guys have been deceived with the whole "alpha" thing. "Alpha" is a term best used with dogs and wolves.

[Ignozi]

@nikkiwindham QFT.

The PUA community uses these terms as an ego boost to make themselves feel superior over the "common man" who isn't involved in the "game".

It's pretty much a manipulation tool to make men live up to certain standards that are set up by these PUA scam artists.

I say use common sense. Good hygiene, have a passion in life, dress well, etc.

These cold approaches used by the PUA scammers dehumanize you and completely screw up your perception of the world.

[druggiewithagun]

what if you are not shy and do have confidence and do try to chat up girls but for some reason you cant figure out they always say no all the time every time? wot then is there something wrong with u on a genetic level its the women who refuse you yet your degraded and shamed by society for something you cant even control might as well give up either commit suicide or just try be as unproductive and disruptive to society as u can

[rossatkins1]

women say

oooh if i sleep around im abused if you do it people say its good

men have it harder getting laid women can just be there and get laid men have to pay for things

attract women

men are just not picky about women

[Maaguaa]

words of wisdom...thank you so much for this video

[laughingstalk]

Women will not help these men. Women cannot help men become men, not necessarily in the context of being sexually desirable, but in the context of taking control of one's life, and standing on one's own two feet. That's how we got here in the first place, men allowing women to define masculinity. Despite all the current propaganda, women haven't changed biologically since the Feminist movement began. They were NEVER interested in nice guys on the instinctual level.

[laughingstalk]

It's just that now, women have more freedom to express their true desires. Back in the days, society mandated that people get married young, and even the "nice guys" had a little bad boy in them. Now, women spend all or most of their young adulthood sleeping around, then engage in a mad rush to get married before their desirability to men fades for good. What they look for in a husband is different from what they looked for in a fuckbuddy. Hence, many "nice guys" end up dating older women.

[laughingstalk]

In their heads, these women know that these "nice guys" will be good, reliable husbands, but they are still not attracted to them, which is why these "nice guys" find themselves having to kiss more ass to "get some" than the "alpha males" did back when the women were younger. These women want the security, so they reluctantly give in to the "nice guy's" sexual advances. Passion fizzles, and divorce happens 1/2 the time. MGTOW is good for self-reflection and self-definition...

[laughingstalk]

...without a woman's input. Once you decide what to do, if you deal with women again, having a better sense of self means demanding more respect from a woman, which is ultimately more valuable than sex.

[Xephon212]

How would society topple from incel men?

After all, society functions with sexism, racism, classism, etc. operating within it.

Is incel more of a profound crisis than racism etc.?

[definingmanhood]

I don't think we can realistically expect women to help incels do anything but feel sorry for themselves with a constant flow of pretentious overtures of sympathy, and claiming that they have the same problem, which is off the mark on the magnatude of comaring American internment of Japanese immigrants in the US during WWII to the internment of Jewish peoples in Nazi Germany. Incel women are at summer camp, the men are in bath houses being pumped full of sarin.

[IndomitableThoughts]

I agree that what I'm suggesting here is idealistic, however it would be the best way to get out of today's problems. Too bad you're probably right about its likelihood of implementation though. Bad things are to come if women keep spouting the meme that they're still oppressed.

[Wytchfinde]

The thing is that the "oppressed" in a grand sense have become the oppressor---by believing in feminist mythology to the core and institutionalizing it, it has become Leviathan in proportion.

I don't think all hope is lost, however. Men can be beaten down badly, but we still and adapt and resurrect themselves. I continue to do this myself, and raising awareness of MGTOW can still have this spread like wildfire. I suppose you could say I'm "jaded yet positive," if that makes sense.

[Xephon212]

How does equality between the sexes prevent men from experiencing sexual relationships? I'm confused.