Nice documentary on one of the last 2-10-0 classes to be developed. Suppose the United States steam-locomotive market stayed open late enough for Lima Locomotive Works, Inc., to develop a 4-10-4 Super Power passenger locomotive! (GM and Alco were competing for the U. S. Diesel-electric market when the 9F's were built.)
@locoman1963 My Father said thay where not too succsessfull, Just before my Dad made Driver, He and his Driver tested a Oil burning Steamer . The inspector that was with them Kept interfering,saying they had the Fuel air mixtures wrong , as it was making heavy black smoke . The Driver hit the brake stopped the Locco and kicked the inspector off the footplate
Well Evening Star is at the Steam Museum Swindon ,So is my Father as one of the last people too drive it in service, (They looked it up in records He and an Inspector took it to an Exhibition). You can allways ask him. Me being the last apprentice too come out his time from the swindon rail works, can tell none of the locco's are what they ever started out as as bits where swapped as they where needed.
The 9Fs were the best British Steam engine, no other loco class comes close to being as versatile as these beasts. Heavy freight or fast express, unbeatable!
There is a utterly "Brilliant" upload about the Somerset and Dorset on You Tube, the first is called "Return to Evercreech Junction" and "Branch Line with Sir John Betjamin".They are really worth watching even if you are not a S and D Joint Fan.
apparently, evening star is black prince, cause the when evening star was withdrawn after the accident, when the owner of black prince, he found some green paint under the cylinders
@trainlover658 I have heard exactly the same rumours !!!.I heard Evening Star had a
accident,or it wasn't able to fixed before the Preservationists took over her.This meant that a imposter had to be found,now whether it's David Shepheards "Black Prince" or not I can't say.However these tales persist and they do make a lot of sence (as I suppose all conspiracy plots do).These Locomotives designed by Riddles are perhaps the very best of all Steamers,far better than the wooly Mammoth
@trainlover658 Who knows perhaps it was Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds,or even
the much fabled "White Prince".However Locomotive numbers like Cars top tags
and registration can be ER altered,I suppose some crafty Chap at Derby did it to
keep us guessing,seen as most of the evidence is now either a Washing Machines or Toyota Land Cruisers I would say he was pretty successful !!! Wouldn't you??.Damned conspiracies don't they just bug the shit out of you???. Next Question.
now we saw a preserved loco choo-choo-ing its way along preserved metals ... the commentator said that it had "rusted away" in a scrapper's yard for 'x' number of years ... so what happenned ? It slightly rusted but it did not rust away !
Interesting stat in there that a 9F's driving wheels were doing 8 revs per second at 90mph. For comparison, Mallard's rather larger drivers were doing about 8.7 revs per second when it hit 126mph.
If I could have one in private ownership, I'd try and run it with a couple of passenger cars on the mainline. On the side of the cars, in nice clean letters, would be the words 'BR sucked in the 60's!"
@StarTux Naaa.... life got less repressive.... mind you the 1960s only reached my home town in West wales in 1972! Before that the teachers were a nightmare!
That's because the 2-10-0 wheel arrangement wasn't as common in the UK as it was abroad. Also the fact that you have smoke deflectors and the body is raised up add to the perception you have.
Hell, even the green that BR used was called "Brunswick Green".
Not any more. Evening Star is back in Swindon now. It got moved in August / September this year. I passed through Swindon on my way to Bristol & saw a huge sign advertising the relocation of Evening Star
i absolutly cant wait when diesel gose bye bye! and steam comes back. they cant afford to run electrical wire over all the tracks in the world. plus if the electricity faild it would stop and couldent move until the electricity came back on. with steam, if an engine broke down it could be reparid right on the spot or another was sent. speed dosent matter in my opinion. its the jorney and what you see along the way.
well if you think they got an A4 to 126mph in the 1930's imagine the level of performance that could have been achieved given another 70 years development........the top speeds may not be drastically increased, but reliability and efficiency certainly could have been.
the 9fs were such a waste some were bearly 5 years old when they were cut up, alot never even lived long enough to get a general overhaul, it was criminal
Beautiful, great and very reliable machines, yep! I have the old Airfix 00 scale kit, a friend of mine got it for me. I am planning on assembling it soon, scraping off most of the cast-on handrails and piping and replace it by brass and copper wire and stanchions, plus adding missing piping and perhaps some more detail. Love that steamer!
Does anyone know if the Swindon ones were better by £5,000 than the Crewe ones? I remember seeing one each at Shotton and east of Didcot, plus one with the rods off near Shrewsbury ready for scrapping in sidings next to route to Welshpool/ Aberystwyth.... sorry sight. Thanks for the footage.
this stuff is awesome
adidaskevhef 2 months ago
OMG THAT WAS AWESOME!
MadeThisTooSell 3 months ago
I just tested this engine on trainz. It is a beauty
amnistic45 10 months ago
@TurboJUK that is awesome
trainmanjg611 11 months ago
dude when did you take this awsome video
Dswear100 1 year ago
Nice documentary on one of the last 2-10-0 classes to be developed. Suppose the United States steam-locomotive market stayed open late enough for Lima Locomotive Works, Inc., to develop a 4-10-4 Super Power passenger locomotive! (GM and Alco were competing for the U. S. Diesel-electric market when the 9F's were built.)
bcschmerker 1 year ago
As my dad said most of the older Fireman didnt go much for them as with the driver on the otherside it made traditional firing difficult
ukusagent 1 year ago
@ukusagent there were a couple of 9fs which were converted with automatic
stokers for a experiment making the fireman redundant I dont know if it was a succes
locoman1963 9 months ago
@locoman1963 My Father said thay where not too succsessfull, Just before my Dad made Driver, He and his Driver tested a Oil burning Steamer . The inspector that was with them Kept interfering,saying they had the Fuel air mixtures wrong , as it was making heavy black smoke . The Driver hit the brake stopped the Locco and kicked the inspector off the footplate
ukusagent 9 months ago
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Well Evening Star is at the Steam Museum Swindon ,So is my Father as one of the last people too drive it in service, (They looked it up in records He and an Inspector took it to an Exhibition). You can allways ask him. Me being the last apprentice too come out his time from the swindon rail works, can tell none of the locco's are what they ever started out as as bits where swapped as they where needed.
ukusagent 1 year ago
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ukusagent 1 year ago
Very interesting, I didn't know the 9F's performed so well on passenger trains.
JimTLonW6 1 year ago
The 9Fs were the best British Steam engine, no other loco class comes close to being as versatile as these beasts. Heavy freight or fast express, unbeatable!
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
There is a utterly "Brilliant" upload about the Somerset and Dorset on You Tube, the first is called "Return to Evercreech Junction" and "Branch Line with Sir John Betjamin".They are really worth watching even if you are not a S and D Joint Fan.
flanneryged 1 year ago
where this video and mallar and the gresley A4's on the same dvd
288jh 1 year ago
apparently, evening star is black prince, cause the when evening star was withdrawn after the accident, when the owner of black prince, he found some green paint under the cylinders
trainlover658 1 year ago
@trainlover658 I have heard exactly the same rumours !!!.I heard Evening Star had a
accident,or it wasn't able to fixed before the Preservationists took over her.This meant that a imposter had to be found,now whether it's David Shepheards "Black Prince" or not I can't say.However these tales persist and they do make a lot of sence (as I suppose all conspiracy plots do).These Locomotives designed by Riddles are perhaps the very best of all Steamers,far better than the wooly Mammoth
Britannias.
flanneryged 1 year ago
@flanneryged well... if evening star is "black prince", then what the hell did david buy from the works?!
trainlover658 1 year ago
@trainlover658 another 9F
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
@trainlover658 Who knows perhaps it was Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds,or even
the much fabled "White Prince".However Locomotive numbers like Cars top tags
and registration can be ER altered,I suppose some crafty Chap at Derby did it to
keep us guessing,seen as most of the evidence is now either a Washing Machines or Toyota Land Cruisers I would say he was pretty successful !!! Wouldn't you??.Damned conspiracies don't they just bug the shit out of you???. Next Question.
flanneryged 1 year ago
they didnt even give the 9F's a chance to get the money back that went into them
trainlover657 2 years ago
now we saw a preserved loco choo-choo-ing its way along preserved metals ... the commentator said that it had "rusted away" in a scrapper's yard for 'x' number of years ... so what happenned ? It slightly rusted but it did not rust away !
3NUNS 2 years ago
Theres a 9F for sale at the Midland railway centre but it hasnt got a tender and is in a terrible condition
1position69 2 years ago
was the 9F hand fired?
theshedrailway 2 years ago
yes they are
cookhammanor 2 years ago
Interesting stat in there that a 9F's driving wheels were doing 8 revs per second at 90mph. For comparison, Mallard's rather larger drivers were doing about 8.7 revs per second when it hit 126mph.
beeble2003 2 years ago
If I could have one in private ownership, I'd try and run it with a couple of passenger cars on the mainline. On the side of the cars, in nice clean letters, would be the words 'BR sucked in the 60's!"
jackasskid2 2 years ago
Diesels can suck it! Bluebell FTW!
jackasskid2 2 years ago
The bastards BR for removing steam. Is a complete disgarce.
iloveplanetrock 2 years ago
The 60's were pretty evil for Britain!
StarTux 2 years ago 16
@StarTux Naaa.... life got less repressive.... mind you the 1960s only reached my home town in West wales in 1972! Before that the teachers were a nightmare!
SteffanLlwyd 1 year ago
@StarTux you are so true withdrawing steam locomotives is the worst thing britian has done
essexcapri25 1 month ago
Good to see David Shepherd the Artist getting a £3000 bargain!
Doubledig 2 years ago
Second hand not many miles outside has a few scracthes good as new! new mot and service
Forevagrey 2 years ago
brilliant loco's,fired them on the gcr 'windcutters,annesley-woodford,happy days!
1946apps 2 years ago
the 9F dont look like a britsh loco
theshedrailway 2 years ago
That's because the 2-10-0 wheel arrangement wasn't as common in the UK as it was abroad. Also the fact that you have smoke deflectors and the body is raised up add to the perception you have.
Hell, even the green that BR used was called "Brunswick Green".
theredraven 2 years ago
Pennsy Green. lol.
reedman9 2 years ago
the 9Fs are my absolute fafourite engine (hense the username "92220") Great Video!
RailwayFanatic92220 2 years ago
Great vid, I've been on the foot plate of the Evening Star in steam, sheer Awesome Power!!!
The heat, the smell, you just can't beat it. She really is amazing!!!!!!!!
imautuber444 2 years ago
Is Evening Star on a preserved steam railway or is it in a Museum?
emoindiebuh 3 years ago
She is based at the National Railway Museum at York.
GreatWestern175 3 years ago
Not any more. Evening Star is back in Swindon now. It got moved in August / September this year. I passed through Swindon on my way to Bristol & saw a huge sign advertising the relocation of Evening Star
xdave130x 3 years ago
It's in Swindon steam Museum NOW. Go see.
harrisonaard1 3 years ago
beutifull film, does anyone know if that is winwick junction at 03.55? thanks for posting
bikerarni 3 years ago
I love the 9F, just as bigger classic as the A4 or princess corination.
a44468 3 years ago
Can't beat the 9F steam engine
AEM7andthomasfan 3 years ago
nice 9fs are my favorite steam engins bye far
bladeshreaderx 3 years ago
i absolutly cant wait when diesel gose bye bye! and steam comes back. they cant afford to run electrical wire over all the tracks in the world. plus if the electricity faild it would stop and couldent move until the electricity came back on. with steam, if an engine broke down it could be reparid right on the spot or another was sent. speed dosent matter in my opinion. its the jorney and what you see along the way.
yourmamaluigi 3 years ago
well if you think they got an A4 to 126mph in the 1930's imagine the level of performance that could have been achieved given another 70 years development........the top speeds may not be drastically increased, but reliability and efficiency certainly could have been.
elmski1987 3 years ago
i got a 5 foot wide tapestry of this loco on my bedroom wall my mum made when i was a kid
Welshman2008 3 years ago
The 9Fs have to be my all-time favourite BR Class, and I am proud to say that I have driven 92203 Black Prince.
TurboJUK 3 years ago 13
@TurboJUK I will kiss your feet lol
clusterfak 1 year ago
@TurboJUK didn't know that.
ScottRiggs66 1 year ago
@TurboJUK Sure but a 2-8-2 version as originally planned would have been even better!
SteffanLlwyd 1 year ago
@TurboJUK. What year you drove 92203?
scotsman125 1 week ago
these locomotives are simply amazing. these and the Q1's!!!
dannyproc 3 years ago 2
The Q1'S are B-E-A-UTIFUL!!!
PeterSamStuart 3 years ago
are you crazy? they're the most hideous loco's ever built :) hehe
Black Five.....that's what you want ;)
elmski1987 3 years ago
May I know which DVD does this clip come from? I've got to buy it!!
hatakashi1900 3 years ago
the 9fs were such a waste some were bearly 5 years old when they were cut up, alot never even lived long enough to get a general overhaul, it was criminal
dspf85 4 years ago 2
it was criminal to get rid of steam
andyg3 3 years ago
lovely locomotives but not a patch on the A4s in my opinion
Ohyewildthong 4 years ago
The 9F locomotive are the best ever! I love the evening star and have an HO scale model of the locomotive!
dmncau 4 years ago
Beautiful, great and very reliable machines, yep! I have the old Airfix 00 scale kit, a friend of mine got it for me. I am planning on assembling it soon, scraping off most of the cast-on handrails and piping and replace it by brass and copper wire and stanchions, plus adding missing piping and perhaps some more detail. Love that steamer!
aihoschema 3 years ago
This can be bought as a high qulaity DVD from Tele Rail on +44 01524 730500.
railwaymags 4 years ago
Fantastic footage and indeed likewise for the commentary :) One for the archives for sure :-)
produKtNZ 4 years ago
ma 3rd Fav train
Owentheguitarist666 4 years ago
i love the 9F's! theyr one of my favourite locos around along with the Kings and the A3's
ryskinner 4 years ago
The one currently based on the EAST LANCS, 92214 is fantastic to see in action as they all where, especially the strange, CROSTI boilered versions.
RailMon 4 years ago
Does anyone know if the Swindon ones were better by £5,000 than the Crewe ones? I remember seeing one each at Shotton and east of Didcot, plus one with the rods off near Shrewsbury ready for scrapping in sidings next to route to Welshpool/ Aberystwyth.... sorry sight. Thanks for the footage.
SteffanLlwyd 5 years ago
nice footage of the 9F's.Very informative
steampics 5 years ago