I want to know why so many Lesbians dress and get haircuts like tomboys, just like Maddow, Ellen, Hash, ect. I want to know why so many gay men need to talk like a lisp tongued lady. i want to know why dressing up in women's clothing has anything to do with being gay. The fact is there wouldn't be such bazaar expressions of what "straightness" is in a straight pride parade. Even regular Liberal contrived free expressionism doesn't explain those trends.
@ImmortalSynn So you say, yet it remains that such things are indeed a commonly observable character trait in homosexual culture. It all points to a Gender conflict malady separate even from the conflict in Transgenders. It leads one to wonder with the observable commonality of such occurring behavior and feminine inflections in gay men, if homosexuality is not just a form of gender conflict. Anyway, it's all theater of the BIZARRE hodgepodge display, compared to straightness
"such things are indeed a commonly observable character trait in homosexual culture"
Observable, yes... but unfortunately for your (pathetic attempt at)_obviously-amateur shrinking; you'd have to extrapolate far Far FARRRRRRR greater data to prove anything beyond a mildly correlative relationship to jump to the conclusions you do, and be anything but anecdotal on the concept. You're grossly overestimating yourself if you actually believe otherwise.
I know of a few men who are as camp as the day is long and yet are straight as an arrow and I know of Muscular men who are handlers of swollen goods. Sure, many gay men are very feminine but this is also perfectly normal behaviour too, and its very similar for many women to be both feminine and masculine whether gay or straight. If you dont think that there are straight people that act gay then you're an idiot.
@CyberSpaceman81 You should do more research! It is almost impossible to find a cross-dresser (male who dresses as female) who identifies themselves as homosexual...almost all cross dressers are straight!.....but I'm sure you researched that and educated yourself before speaking.........
@CyberSpaceman81 I want to know why so many straight men hit their wives. I want to know why so many straight men need to have a deep voice.
People choose how they look. Lesbians are the only ones who have "tomboy" hair cuts. That is a preference people have, just like you have a preference on how your hair looks. Do you not understand?
Not all gay guys have a lisp either. Straight pride is validated everytime there is a wedding.
@CyberSpaceman81 I'm going to give you a whole lot of credit and assume that you actually DO want to know.
"Gay" is not just sex. It isn't just what someone feels like they'd like to do in bed. Gender is not an either-or, black-or-white, male-or-female thing. Gender, as you can see in ALL living species, is a continuum. Unfortunately, youtube.com doesn't give me enough characters to fully explain this. So this is just your first clue. You'll have to think it out for yourself.
I think it might benefit society in that it makes us laugh at his foolishness and thus relieves stress. Plus, one day it'll be a fine example in the annals of chicanery.
The main problem on the planet comes from people who are NOT a part of a group TELLING that group how to live and what they should be. Men telling women what do with their bodies and IF the can vote. Straights telling gays about what it means to be gay. Whites telling blacks what civil rights they may have. If you're not a member of a certain group, HOW can you speak for that group?! If people would mind their own business, the world would find peace. Seriously. The guy's a joke.
I believe the man is just stating the facts. If you choose to interpret it as hate then thats on the readers. People change and i believe homosexuals have a choice if they want to change.
So the (actual) fact that there's not a single psychological association in the Western world that will stand behind his findings, nor are they peer reviewed/repeated, means nothing to you? Droll.
@AABREU80 "The FACTS"...if you check them with the FBI show the VAST majority of pedophiles are straight men. Look it up. The author obviously didn't. How many more straight sports coaches and priests have to be revealed as child molesters to see this guy's book is laughable at best.
if this guy were just stupid, that is one thing, he's not hurting anyone. But his theories are being used as evidence in third world countries to KILL gay people. He needs to shut up and go be the queen he obviously wants to be.
I HAVE read that because of the nature of female arousal, it is possible that some lesbians may be otherwise straight, only turned due to past trauma, and thus potentially able to be "healed" back into heterosexuality, but it's still a small minority of lesbian women and taking issue with someone else's taste in partners is still supremely out of bounds.
That guy is as gay as the sky is blue! Who is he kidding!? And this dyke isn't even angry because that idiotic asshole is badmouthing homosexual MEN rather than women. She is just calm and smiling throughout. If it were lesbian women being cured, this hypocrite would be a Maddcow!
@LisaSpringfield What the fuck are you talking about? She sounds pissed off to me. She's speaking very fast and edgy. She's bouncing around and using more emphasis. She's visibly bothered.
@ImmortalSynn what i meant was that i think some straight people may live a gay life style in order to feel accepted but i guess this is the same as the many gay people who live a hetero lifestyle in order to fit in with the mainstream....i guess im wondering if your feelings would adapt to how you live your life or will the circumstances of your life dictate how you feel
That has nothing to do with changing orientation, that's just behavior to conform to societal norms/expectations/stereotypes.
I mean, a crude but easy-to-understand example would be:
I'm Black American, but if I were to put on a conical-hat, eat with chopsticks, and bow; does that make me Asian? Nope, that'd just be a Black dude conforming to an idea of what he thinks an Asian should be.
Same with your example: gays, conforming to what how think a straight should act
@ImmortalSynn it does if you realize being gay is a product of something other than natural occurance, say, for instance being raped by a male at an early age. this can turn a man gay. but no, nature doesn't make gay ppl because its a good thing. i have dozens of gay friends, but i would never trust them with children. not all, but most, about 90 percent of homosexuals have been molested at an early age, coincidence??? sure, being gay is cool right, nothing wrong w it right :)
@ImmortalSynn Lol, i have a degree from UT in psychology, if you had any understanding about the subject you know there is no research whatsoever that has been peer reviewed and accepted by the whole of the psychology community regarding homosexuality and its causes. so both our opinions are speculative, unless you have peer research material that says homosexuality is a natural occurence with no outside behavioral or environmental causes?
Right, uh huh, I'm sure, lol. Fat lot of good *that's* apparently doing ya, lol.
"you know there is no research whatsoever that has been peer reviewed and accepted by the whole of the psychology community regarding homosexuality and its causes."
No shit Einstein, which is why I challenged you to show something supporting that claim that you tried to pass off as fact. You can't.
@ImmortalSynn i never ended my comment with "FACT" i was stating my opinion, and if it sounded like i thought it was fact, well, thats because i do. now if you were one of my teachers in college debating me i might have to back down and agree with you on your opinion, but since it looks like i have a little more understanding about what the psychology community really thinks, maybe as an intelligent human being you could see that my point may just be more "peer reviewed" than yours.
@ImmortalSynn well, i have a degree in the subject, i studied hypnotherapy since i was 14, im currently getting another degree in psych at a university in colombia. i think that makes me more expert than you. no offense. why? what do you got?
Nope. That just makes you prone to assumption. You don't have the faintest clue what my profession, education, age/time spent in clinical experience, and familiarity with any given field psychologically related or otherwise, are. None, whatsoever. You're only kidding yourself if you think you do. Yet, you've jumped to such a conclusion.
@tylerdurden666able Well, you sound dishonest when you word your opinions as if they were facts. You need to be clear in the first place to avoid having your credibility questioned.
@tylerdurden666able A degree from UT in psychology does not grant you the authority to pull fake statistics out of your ass. I'm sure that you did not learn that "90 percent of homosexuals have been molested at an early age" in school, so what's your source?
@tylerdurden666able If your degree taught you anything, it should have taught you that rape effects people differently. And you can't just throw around a ridiculous percentage, and then later say it was just your opinion. You can't speculate a statistic.
@osiris6364 No. I'm gay. I couldn't "turn straight" even if I wanted to. Which I don't. As a kid, closeted and scared, I tried to force myself to be attracted to women (sexually). Many of my friends were girls, so I had no problem relating to women. But when it came to having sexual desire for them...never happened. I know straight men who've experimented with guys (giving/receiving oral, etc.), but that doesn't mean they've changed their orientation. You can't change your orientation.
When will this issue be understood! For Christ sakes are we so arrogant and so badly want to keep the boogie man real at the expense of human life? For one moment open up to realistic reasoning.
As a straight man can you imagine waking up one morning and you say to yourself. "Today is the day I want to suck dick, get a boot in the back of the head for it, have the world think I am a pedophile etc. etc etc". Fuck no you would not, isn't it fair to conclude most gay people would be straight..
@19868441 Well I myself never wake up thinking that I am gay... I wake up thinking "Wow I have a math final today" or "Damn I have to get to work by 3:15 and school ends at 2:40" so please since you are a straight do not try to conclude what gay men think about.
Hmmm I'd like to see him take a lie detector test, he looks gay still... xD He just wants the attention and money which he got and still is getting, he's a genius gay guy, that's what he is.
Props to @ImmortalSynn for carrying on a battle that was doomed from the start.
Visceral and/or faith-based rhetoric is unarguable because it's not logical - it likes to think it is, but it's not.
Rachel Maddow is refreshingly sensible when compared to, oh, I don't know, Fox News and, in fact, the entire journalistic profession in the US. The profession that was shamed by a satirist (Jon Stewart) to actually start publicising the ridiculous state of lobbyist-led party politics.
I am lesbian, and there is absolutely no cause for that. That is how I was born, and no therapy can change me. I could pretend to be straight, but then I would live a lie and I would be forever unhappy. If you don't accept who you are, you can never be truly happy.
Curious... at what part? The part where she got him to admit that a claim in his book was false, or the multiple incidents where she introduced him to material that he didn't even know was in it? Do tell.
because he is much smarter than that liberal 1 sided talk show host. she is gay and she doesn't want to admit that somebody that is gay can change. why is her being gay more valid than somebody else who was gay but, isn't anymore? live and let live be happy for people not mad because they were gay but aren't anymore. i don't have a problem with her sexual preference I have a problem with her thinking she is a reporter when in fact she is just another liberal hack with an agenda
Of course she is, she's an analytical commentator who's never pretended to be anything but.
"gay people change all the time"
Correction: some gay people CLAIM they've "changed," but there's no scientifically solid evidence to back that up
"she has said she is a journalist many times"
Bullshit. You're a liar. She's NEVER claimed to be a journalist in any of her shows, and I told you to SHOW (not just repeat your idiotic claim) her doing otherwise
@ImmortalSynn we are supposed to believe people are born gay without any scientific proof, but we can't believe they change from gay to straight unless there is any scientific proof. grow up. she is a liberal bully, just like you. liberals are the most intolerant people on the face of the earth.
Who's this "we?" Speak for yourself. I don't give any more scientific credence to "born gay, end of story" people than I do "gay can change" because the evidence to either is strictly anecdotal. Try again rookie.
Which has no stipulation whatsoever that a broadcaster be a journalist as opposed to an analyst as opposed to a commentator, or a combination of any of the above. You've failed yet again.
PS. Um, when did I or anyone else on here ever dispute her being a Liberal??? What's the point of your quote?
@ImmortalSynn this is from your boyfriends (bill dumbshit mahers) episode guide 188.Untitled
Former Tennessee Sen. Bill Frist; journalist Rachel Maddow; journalist Jon Meacham; chairwoman of the King Hussein Foundation, Queen Noor of Jordan; director Oliver Stone.
Are you TRULY this dim, or are you pretending to be just for the sake of trolling?? I asked you to find an example of HER claiming to be a journalist. You have STILL failed to do that, and of course you'll continue to do so, as SHE has never claimed herself to be one in broadcast.
I'm aware of who's saying what. But I'm truly curious as to how you don't seem to comprehend that the onus was NEVER to find an example of someone ELSE calling her that-- I challenged you, and you failed, to find ANY example whatsoever of SHE referring to herself as a journalist. Because, as has been stated, she hasn't.
You can type the words "lose" and "loser" all you won't, but that doesn't change the fact that you were WRONG, and COULD NOT meet a challenge.
@lareneg72 people that are gay can't change to straight, those that have 'changed' have just returned to the awful repression they lived with prior to coming out of the closet.
Maddow is a moron. An appeal to authority is not a proof of anything. The same organization deemed homosexuality a psychological disorder (which it is). All you're saying is that people who have no moral qualms with sodomy say there's nothing wrong with sodomy. Shocking admission. If the argument is that one can never reverse a natural inclination, there's proof against that. If the argument is that if an inclination is natural, it must be pursued, you're moral deviant. simple.
"An appeal to authority is not a proof of anything."
Unless said authorities can show consistent/repeatable empirical proof to support their position. Science-- familiar with it?
"you're moral deviant"
...eh, guess not, to my last question. Silly me, to bring science into a "moral" question. :-/ LOL, put down the Bible/Torah, and read a book updated sometime in the last century.
@GollaGandaLova LMAO she's a "sinner" she's "going to hell" how do yhou know this? well you DONT.. the bible is not a book of science and if you use it as a weapon against gays you have to take it all not just what u like. so u better be living all the laws both hebrew and christian christian scripture and im know u r not so YOU too will be going to your "hell". just an FYI
@Sage80 im confused... so even if i CHOOSE to be "gay" i shouldn't be? you dont promote freedom and equality and choice? Sodomy is between God and me. It's none of your business what i do in my bedroom w/ another consenting adult just as i respect that what you do in the privacy of your bedroom is none of my business. otherwise you are living in the medieval ages using words like "deviant". maybe you still believe in Which Hunts too??
@Sage80 Maddow is so far from being a moron that in starting your statement off like that you completely disqualify anything else you have to say as being clearly far to biased to be reasonable. It's as if someone who ideologically disagreed with Newt for instance, said he was an idiot. He's clearly not-even if you disagree with him on some things. She even says here something like "Rush is very smart" demonstrating my point.
@Sage80 I declare you the winner here. ImmortalSynn's only counter-argument was to disparage you and say something vague and unsupported about science . That only proves he's on the Left. He could have just said he was and I would have believed him.
"can show consistent/repeatable empirical proof to support their position" is "vague and unsupported" to you? Ummmmmm, considering that you thus apparently cannot grasp the (3rd grade level) fundamental definition of science-- you're therefore not in much of a meriting position to "declare" anything. lol
@Sage80 So what is your appeal to? You say science, but the "science" your little group of repressed homosexuals and moronic bible thumpers is primarily just made up.
He even acknowledges, and dodges a response to Maddow pointing out, his using FAKE figures to illustrate a point.
@4.10.. " homosexual teachers are responsible for pupil molestation, 40% of molestation takes place by those who engage in homosexuality" .. OK.. so 75% of pupil molestation was done by heterosexuals and 60% of molestation takes place by heterosexuals... clearly if we have to start a gay conversion therapy clinic.. it needs to be for straight people to convert to gay so we have less molestation and more men for me ;)..
PS: for idiots who dont get it.. its called sarcasm
Rachel should have owned him. seriously, if his "homosexuality" was just the lack of a father and that was sexualized after puberty, he's saying that he was never really homosexual, but his need for a father had been sexualized. Therefore, all arguments are invalid.
What is impressive is how she avoids tearing this guy a new butthole....she has an incredible amount of patience and self-control, far more reserved than the pundits over on FOX.
@colonalMcGillicuddy if you dont like fox news dont watch it...youre like one of those dumb bitches that stays in an abusive relationship...always bitching about how abusive the partner is but continue to remain invested in the relationship...fox news is #1 in cable news because of retarded cunts like you...IF YOU DONT LIKE FOX NEWS, STOP WATCHING!!
@ImmortalSynn i assumed nothing...i know for a fact you leftwads are obsessed with fox news...it pisses you off that its number one in cable news and it pisses you off its far more entertaining than pmsnbc...no one even mentioned fox news yet you were compelled to spew about it like a raging douche...fox news would like to thank you dildoheads for making it #1 lulz
Wow, what a fucked up guy. Is it really so horrible to be gay that you need to be "cured" or "fixed"!? I thought God, or whomever created us, made us all different on purpose and accepted us the way we are just as we should accept eachother, gay or straight. This world would be terribly boring if we were all the same. Also, if we can't be "cured" of being gay then why shouldn't we be able to have a healthy and happy relationship with our partner and an enjoyable sexlife.
If following a gay lifestyle is only the result of your environmental influences and it is not about DNA or anything, then why do I see so many really painful and heartbreaking stories about people´s coming out who were raised in extremely anti-gay environments, states, nations... ?
@mortulu Beceause that which you supress will become stronger. Next time you are angry try and supress that anger. And keep doing that over and over. In a couple of weeks you will probably kill somebody or something.
@mortulu My theory is because religious fundamentalism promotes sexual repression which may give people a guilt complex about enjoying heterosexual sex and foster homosexuality as a reactive disturbance.
@ImmortalSynn Case rested when you haven't even made a sensible case yet. Are you seriously expecting there to be some sort of scientific research to be conducted on gay/straight conversion with empirical evidence to either support or refute it? LOL! Keep dreaming because in this overly PC society with a growing pro-homosexual agenda, you will NEVER see these things studied properly. It just won't ever happen, so let these people do as they wish. They aren't harming you any.
"Are you seriously expecting there to be some sort of scientific research to be conducted on gay/straight conversion with empirical evidence to either support or refute it?"
Well, yeahhhhhhhh.... particularly because there have already been some. Care to guess the results.
"They aren't harming you any."
Well yeah, but unlike you, I seem to have the ability to think beyond what directly affects me. What an IDIOTIC thing of you to say, on a humanitarian topic *sigh*
@ImmortalSynn I've read one of the VERY few studies conducted on this and guess what? More than half of the individuals who underwent a conversion were considered successfully converted. Of course, the study was attacked as being unethical and no serious attempts to conduct large scale studies have ever been done by the medical community and no serious attempts to standardize a treatment has ever been done. Just isn't going to happen in an overly PC, pro-homosexual society.
"I've read one of the VERY few studies conducted on this and guess what? More than half of the individuals who underwent a conversion were considered successfully converted."
And I call bullshit on you, right here, right now.
But I'll play along: what's this alleged study's name? Venue published and date? Authors/Researchers? Take all the time you need.
@ImmortalSynn Call bullshit all you want, but I don't need any time. Here it is: "Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation? 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation", Spitzer RL, Arch Sex Behav. 2003 Oct;32(5):403-17; discussion 419-72.
Oh, I will, particularly considering what you just posted. I'd heard of this study before, and you're right, it was trashed bigtime, because it was flawed on sooooooooooooooooooooooo many levels.
@ImmortalSynn Yeah, trashed on sooooooo many levels by who? People with agendas, no less. I take it you haven't even read the study or even know how to properly read a study. The truth is that NO study is flawless, they have limitations, but the key message here is clear. People can feel themselves to be converted and if they do, who is anyone else to say they are wrong or have been harmed? Their opinion doesn't matter. Let sexual freedom prevail.
"The truth is that NO study is flawless, they have limitations"
Sure, but those "limitations" are exponentially increased when the study fails to be conducted in (BASIC) ways to reduce statistical-bias in both methods and interpretation. This was very clearly, not, in multiple regards.
@ImmortalSynn Since I see you haven't even included all the posts I have submitted to you and since it seems you feel the need to "approve" all the comments submitted here, I know you'll never give me a fair shake in this discussion. If you want me to continue,, shut off the comment approvals and let the discussion unfold naturally without your constant control of the info. Unless you do that, I will accept that you know you are defeated and, therefore, I have no more use for you. Thanks.
Fuck you, lol. This is my thread, I don't want the spammish crap that ends up on discussions of this size, and I'll run it how I see fit.
Also, you're full of shit, as there's not a single thing you have in queue that hasn't been pushed through. In case you haven't noticed, I ENJOY posts by the likes of you, not avoid them.
You know, this isn't really about sexual freedom, is it? It's really all about pro-homosexuality. The proof? Just the thought that there are homosexuals out there that don't want to be homosexual and try to convert themselves is found to be APPALLIING and met with OUTRAGE. Why is that the case? If this really was about sexual freedom, then people should ALSO be free to try to be whatever the hell it is they want to be and no one should have a damn thing to say about it.
Pathetic assessment. The slightest bit of analytical skill should've shown you that at NO POINT in this video was the argument being made that people shouldn't be free to try to change themselves.
The argument here, and with most gay-conversion opponents is that many of these so-called therapists have unorthodox methods that could prove psychologically (and at times, physically) damaging in the long run, yet they're selling them for profit.
@ImmortalSynn Excuse me, but who are you to say that these methods are psychologically damaging? These individuals aren't being mind-controlled. They willingly seeked out help from those that they believe can help them. Your assessment couldn't possibly be more pathetic because it wreaks of a pro-homosexual bias and agenda. Mind your own business and let sexual freedom prevail. Selling them for profit? Here's a newflash for you, ALL medical treatments cost money. That's a fact of life.
Oh lord. Y'know what, I can sum this up in a way so basic that even you can grasp it:
if there was REALLY any consistent method(s) of scientific/tangible merit, for converting gay people to straight... then do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that some dimwitted putz like Richard Cohen would be the one cornering the market? Or do you think major corporations/psychological associations would get legions of people working on that, in numbers only the pharaohs would've understood?
I ~almost~ hate to be the one to break this to you, but "sodomy" both by definition and (prior to 2003) by US law, didn't apply to just homosexual/anal activity. Hell, in several states, any non-missionary-position-vaginal sex act (even if between a married man and woman couple) was technically defined as "sodomy".... which is a big reason why it was struck down as unconstitutional.
But why let actual facts get in the way of an argument like yours, right? :-/
@ImmortalSynn and how is american law factual? jews manipulate law
btw trying to lump people into catagories because of acts is foolish, its never been doen before in history, even in ancient greece where sodomy and pederasty were rampant, if you take a bull away from female bulls, it will sodomise male ones.
if you research its mostly jewish lobbyists that are pushing gay rights while undermining christians.
a man doing different sexual things is ok. theres nothing different about them.
@musty264 female cows aren't "female bulls" you stupid ass. They are just cows. Then there are steers, who have been castrated. Like most fox news viewers.
@ImmortalSynn furthermore at some point interracial relationships were both illegal and considered immoral-but then as now, just because the religious community screams something doesn't make it right.
@musty264 whoops, you sure saw through that ancient shylock conspiracy of sodomy. And also undermining your "family rights" by existing all these sodomites are also trying to steal your money and indeed trying to turn you fruity as well? you fucking idiot.
@musty264 Ummm, so in what way did jews manipulate reality here? Homosexuality, by definition, is when two people of the same sex have intercourse. If the jews invented this, then run for your lives, because these people have the power to alter basic reality. The truth of it is, homosexuality as a concept becomes homosexuality in reality as people act on it.
@musty264 hate to break it to ya but homosexuality isnt anything new. It existed before Christ (Egyptians for ex, 5000BC) and it always existed in the animal kingdom. Get a proper education.
@musty264 Awww is somebody an attention whore? Looking at the comments you have left on other videos you clearly just say what you say for shock value and attention. Get some friends guy.
Cohen got Maddowed.
divineweinshine 1 week ago
Nothing worse than left wing, liberal, socialist dyke.
ImClayMoore 1 week ago
@ImClayMoore
...oh but there is:
The moronic types who think that any of the above is some type of insult. ;)
ImmortalSynn 1 week ago 14
@ImmortalSynn: I was trying to find a reply to Clay Moore that would outstage yours.... but I couldn't. Absolutely perfectly put. Bravo.
petergrenader 4 days ago
@petergrenader
*takes a bow* ;)
ImmortalSynn 4 days ago
It's such a DISEASE!! LOL BS all the way by this sick, frustrated homo.
wolftmfg 2 weeks ago
face of the closet gay
777SCP 3 weeks ago
I want to know why so many Lesbians dress and get haircuts like tomboys, just like Maddow, Ellen, Hash, ect. I want to know why so many gay men need to talk like a lisp tongued lady. i want to know why dressing up in women's clothing has anything to do with being gay. The fact is there wouldn't be such bazaar expressions of what "straightness" is in a straight pride parade. Even regular Liberal contrived free expressionism doesn't explain those trends.
CyberSpaceman81 3 weeks ago
@CyberSpaceman81
"I want to know why so many Lesbians dress and get haircuts like tomboys"
The SAME reason many don't... because some people may find that appealing, and some don't.
"I want to know why so many gay men need to talk like a lisp tongued lady"
Why do you assume there to be a "need"?
"i want to know why dressing up in women's clothing has anything to do with being gay."
It doesn't.
"such bazaar"
Allow me to educate you:
"bazaar" = market. "Bizarre" = odd.
ImmortalSynn 3 weeks ago 5
@ImmortalSynn So you say, yet it remains that such things are indeed a commonly observable character trait in homosexual culture. It all points to a Gender conflict malady separate even from the conflict in Transgenders. It leads one to wonder with the observable commonality of such occurring behavior and feminine inflections in gay men, if homosexuality is not just a form of gender conflict. Anyway, it's all theater of the BIZARRE hodgepodge display, compared to straightness
CyberSpaceman81 3 weeks ago
@CyberSpaceman81
"such things are indeed a commonly observable character trait in homosexual culture"
Observable, yes... but unfortunately for your (pathetic attempt at)_obviously-amateur shrinking; you'd have to extrapolate far Far FARRRRRRR greater data to prove anything beyond a mildly correlative relationship to jump to the conclusions you do, and be anything but anecdotal on the concept. You're grossly overestimating yourself if you actually believe otherwise.
ImmortalSynn 3 weeks ago
@CyberSpaceman81
utter crap
I know of a few men who are as camp as the day is long and yet are straight as an arrow and I know of Muscular men who are handlers of swollen goods. Sure, many gay men are very feminine but this is also perfectly normal behaviour too, and its very similar for many women to be both feminine and masculine whether gay or straight. If you dont think that there are straight people that act gay then you're an idiot.
FatRakoon 3 weeks ago
@CyberSpaceman81 You should do more research! It is almost impossible to find a cross-dresser (male who dresses as female) who identifies themselves as homosexual...almost all cross dressers are straight!.....but I'm sure you researched that and educated yourself before speaking.........
JonnyCashmore 2 weeks ago
@CyberSpaceman81 I want to know why so many straight men hit their wives. I want to know why so many straight men need to have a deep voice.
People choose how they look. Lesbians are the only ones who have "tomboy" hair cuts. That is a preference people have, just like you have a preference on how your hair looks. Do you not understand?
Not all gay guys have a lisp either. Straight pride is validated everytime there is a wedding.
Nateynate82 2 weeks ago
@CyberSpaceman81 I'm going to give you a whole lot of credit and assume that you actually DO want to know.
"Gay" is not just sex. It isn't just what someone feels like they'd like to do in bed. Gender is not an either-or, black-or-white, male-or-female thing. Gender, as you can see in ALL living species, is a continuum. Unfortunately, youtube.com doesn't give me enough characters to fully explain this. So this is just your first clue. You'll have to think it out for yourself.
chamisa77 1 week ago
lawl at that guy hardly holding his laugh when saying all that bullshit he's saying.
great that he found a way how to make money but he could have chosen a business that actually benefits society.
MsYperite 3 weeks ago
@MsYperite,
I think it might benefit society in that it makes us laugh at his foolishness and thus relieves stress. Plus, one day it'll be a fine example in the annals of chicanery.
OxTheWriter 3 weeks ago
The main problem on the planet comes from people who are NOT a part of a group TELLING that group how to live and what they should be. Men telling women what do with their bodies and IF the can vote. Straights telling gays about what it means to be gay. Whites telling blacks what civil rights they may have. If you're not a member of a certain group, HOW can you speak for that group?! If people would mind their own business, the world would find peace. Seriously. The guy's a joke.
lcowles 3 weeks ago
anyone who thinks sexuality is a choice is bisexual. not hating on bisexuals, just stating a fact. think about it. really think about it...
jonstephen1 3 weeks ago
haha @5:30 he says THRUST..gigity
rooandron10 3 weeks ago
Such a whore-like woman, I cannot imagine how people watch her silly show.
jayadsilva67 3 weeks ago
@jayadsilva67
"Such a whore-like woman"
I can see you put tons of objective rationale into that. Good for you!
"I cannot imagine"
Of course not... that'd require actual mental capacity, now wouldn't it?
ImmortalSynn 3 weeks ago 20
yo that shit-stick go OWNED.
jcollinsdrummer1 4 weeks ago
@jcollinsdrummer1 i love it when she doesn't let them get away!
merckxtallica 3 weeks ago
I believe the man is just stating the facts. If you choose to interpret it as hate then thats on the readers. People change and i believe homosexuals have a choice if they want to change.
AABREU80 4 weeks ago
@AABREU80
"I believe the man is just stating the facts."
So the (actual) fact that there's not a single psychological association in the Western world that will stand behind his findings, nor are they peer reviewed/repeated, means nothing to you? Droll.
ImmortalSynn 4 weeks ago 7
@AABREU80 So you could change from being a heterosexual. If you really wanted to, you could suck some dick?
nietzschean23 3 weeks ago
@AABREU80 "The FACTS"...if you check them with the FBI show the VAST majority of pedophiles are straight men. Look it up. The author obviously didn't. How many more straight sports coaches and priests have to be revealed as child molesters to see this guy's book is laughable at best.
lcowles 3 weeks ago
@AABREU80 You're not homosexual, what the hell do you know?
EidahageFeroe 3 weeks ago
she should be quite the authority on this subject...this might be something she actually knows alot about....finally
lubaker 4 weeks ago
This man is scum of the Earth
TitaniumTicTac 1 month ago
I'm sorry but this is too funny. He's straight? Really? Sorry I'm noe buying it. This guy is part of the problem.
thanepullan 1 month ago
uh this faggot
im not even gonna call this bitch 'gay'
he is just another bullying fag in denial
rladbs02 1 month ago
ownd.
supaspydamn 1 month ago
if this guy were just stupid, that is one thing, he's not hurting anyone. But his theories are being used as evidence in third world countries to KILL gay people. He needs to shut up and go be the queen he obviously wants to be.
ncjuppiter 1 month ago
Rachel Maddow is the coolest butch chica on TV.
zoetropez76 1 month ago
Is this the guy that I saw hitting a tennis racket and screaming "MOM!! MOM!! MOM!!"?
bads06 1 month ago
@bads06
yes, same guy
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn Oh... **Moves Away Sideways**
bads06 1 month ago
I HAVE read that because of the nature of female arousal, it is possible that some lesbians may be otherwise straight, only turned due to past trauma, and thus potentially able to be "healed" back into heterosexuality, but it's still a small minority of lesbian women and taking issue with someone else's taste in partners is still supremely out of bounds.
NiteSaiya 1 month ago
What if you don't want to be healed? I guess... at least that's a choice!!!
alixsb 1 month ago
@alixsb But there's no adequate proof that shows a gay person can be 'healed'
moroney1 1 month ago
Oh, and I just got to the "gay people want to recruit your children" part.
Yeah, nothing in his book or organization is meant to hurt gays, I'm sure.
SweetSodaChick 1 month ago
"There's nothing in there against people who experience same-sex attraction"...
Oh, you mean besides painting gay people as rapists and child molesters?
SweetSodaChick 1 month ago
That guy is as gay as the sky is blue! Who is he kidding!? And this dyke isn't even angry because that idiotic asshole is badmouthing homosexual MEN rather than women. She is just calm and smiling throughout. If it were lesbian women being cured, this hypocrite would be a Maddcow!
LisaSpringfield 1 month ago
@LisaSpringfield What the fuck are you talking about? She sounds pissed off to me. She's speaking very fast and edgy. She's bouncing around and using more emphasis. She's visibly bothered.
Eseress 1 month ago
I'm not scientist, but I'm pretty sure you can't cure homosexuality. It's genetic.
It's also not clear cut, but a sliding scale, with heterosexuality on one end and homosexuality on the other.
It cannot be cured, only suppressed. Of course, what's point anyway?
marsglorious 1 month ago
i think straight people can "turn gay" but i dont think actual gay people can turn straight...does that makes any sense?...
osiris6364 1 month ago
@osiris6364
Not really, to be honest.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago 4
@ImmortalSynn what i meant was that i think some straight people may live a gay life style in order to feel accepted but i guess this is the same as the many gay people who live a hetero lifestyle in order to fit in with the mainstream....i guess im wondering if your feelings would adapt to how you live your life or will the circumstances of your life dictate how you feel
osiris6364 1 month ago
@osiris6364
That has nothing to do with changing orientation, that's just behavior to conform to societal norms/expectations/stereotypes.
I mean, a crude but easy-to-understand example would be:
I'm Black American, but if I were to put on a conical-hat, eat with chopsticks, and bow; does that make me Asian? Nope, that'd just be a Black dude conforming to an idea of what he thinks an Asian should be.
Same with your example: gays, conforming to what how think a straight should act
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn
It's been 4 minutes - and I'm still laughing!...
Thanks!
grozde 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn it does if you realize being gay is a product of something other than natural occurance, say, for instance being raped by a male at an early age. this can turn a man gay. but no, nature doesn't make gay ppl because its a good thing. i have dozens of gay friends, but i would never trust them with children. not all, but most, about 90 percent of homosexuals have been molested at an early age, coincidence??? sure, being gay is cool right, nothing wrong w it right :)
tylerdurden666able 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able
Who are you trying to kid with this kind of drivel?
"for instance being raped by a male at an early age. this can turn a man gay"
Bullshit. There's no scientific evidence to back that up. None. And I CHALLENGE you to show otherwise.
In fact, don't post anything else here until you can. Well....?
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn Lol, i have a degree from UT in psychology, if you had any understanding about the subject you know there is no research whatsoever that has been peer reviewed and accepted by the whole of the psychology community regarding homosexuality and its causes. so both our opinions are speculative, unless you have peer research material that says homosexuality is a natural occurence with no outside behavioral or environmental causes?
tylerdurden666able 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able
"i have a degree from UT in psychology"
Right, uh huh, I'm sure, lol. Fat lot of good *that's* apparently doing ya, lol.
"you know there is no research whatsoever that has been peer reviewed and accepted by the whole of the psychology community regarding homosexuality and its causes."
No shit Einstein, which is why I challenged you to show something supporting that claim that you tried to pass off as fact. You can't.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn i never ended my comment with "FACT" i was stating my opinion, and if it sounded like i thought it was fact, well, thats because i do. now if you were one of my teachers in college debating me i might have to back down and agree with you on your opinion, but since it looks like i have a little more understanding about what the psychology community really thinks, maybe as an intelligent human being you could see that my point may just be more "peer reviewed" than yours.
tylerdurden666able 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able
"but since it looks like i have a little more understanding about what the psychology community really thinks"
Which you base on what, other than your own apparent overestimation of self? Do share... this oughta be rich.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn well, i have a degree in the subject, i studied hypnotherapy since i was 14, im currently getting another degree in psych at a university in colombia. i think that makes me more expert than you. no offense. why? what do you got?
tylerdurden666able 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able
"i think that makes me more expert than you. "
Nope. That just makes you prone to assumption. You don't have the faintest clue what my profession, education, age/time spent in clinical experience, and familiarity with any given field psychologically related or otherwise, are. None, whatsoever. You're only kidding yourself if you think you do. Yet, you've jumped to such a conclusion.
Very interesting to observe. Droll.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able Well, you sound dishonest when you word your opinions as if they were facts. You need to be clear in the first place to avoid having your credibility questioned.
anonymous19601 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able A degree from UT in psychology does not grant you the authority to pull fake statistics out of your ass. I'm sure that you did not learn that "90 percent of homosexuals have been molested at an early age" in school, so what's your source?
anonymous19601 1 month ago
@tylerdurden666able If your degree taught you anything, it should have taught you that rape effects people differently. And you can't just throw around a ridiculous percentage, and then later say it was just your opinion. You can't speculate a statistic.
Shanapoo7 4 weeks ago
@osiris6364 No. I'm gay. I couldn't "turn straight" even if I wanted to. Which I don't. As a kid, closeted and scared, I tried to force myself to be attracted to women (sexually). Many of my friends were girls, so I had no problem relating to women. But when it came to having sexual desire for them...never happened. I know straight men who've experimented with guys (giving/receiving oral, etc.), but that doesn't mean they've changed their orientation. You can't change your orientation.
suvariboy 1 month ago
@osiris6364 no sorry i dont think so hahahahah
gibletlover 1 month ago
*Thinking that, I myself am gay...
halomaster2270 1 month ago
When will this issue be understood! For Christ sakes are we so arrogant and so badly want to keep the boogie man real at the expense of human life? For one moment open up to realistic reasoning.
As a straight man can you imagine waking up one morning and you say to yourself. "Today is the day I want to suck dick, get a boot in the back of the head for it, have the world think I am a pedophile etc. etc etc". Fuck no you would not, isn't it fair to conclude most gay people would be straight..
19868441 1 month ago
@19868441 Well I myself never wake up thinking that I am gay... I wake up thinking "Wow I have a math final today" or "Damn I have to get to work by 3:15 and school ends at 2:40" so please since you are a straight do not try to conclude what gay men think about.
halomaster2270 1 month ago
Hmmm I'd like to see him take a lie detector test, he looks gay still... xD He just wants the attention and money which he got and still is getting, he's a genius gay guy, that's what he is.
MyJumper21 1 month ago
Props to @ImmortalSynn for carrying on a battle that was doomed from the start.
Visceral and/or faith-based rhetoric is unarguable because it's not logical - it likes to think it is, but it's not.
Rachel Maddow is refreshingly sensible when compared to, oh, I don't know, Fox News and, in fact, the entire journalistic profession in the US. The profession that was shamed by a satirist (Jon Stewart) to actually start publicising the ridiculous state of lobbyist-led party politics.
COEXISTential 1 month ago
@COEXISTential
To be honest, I just like arguing. ;)
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn löl
Me too... in certain circumstances.
COEXISTential 1 month ago
How about stop trying to brain wash people and let them be happy.
AlicelnWonderIand 1 month ago
He wants a dick in his mouth.
page371069 1 month ago
IDIOT ALERT! IDIOT ALERT! IDIOT ALERT! IDIOT ALERT!
So, when did Cohen "choose", opt or "decide" to be straight? I'm soooooo tired of these stupid assholes trying to cash in!
t4705mb6 1 month ago
I'm going to ask Rachel out.
Elementer117 1 month ago
I am lesbian, and there is absolutely no cause for that. That is how I was born, and no therapy can change me. I could pretend to be straight, but then I would live a lie and I would be forever unhappy. If you don't accept who you are, you can never be truly happy.
stiras1 1 month ago
Go Rachel!!!!!!!!
padude64 1 month ago
rachel maddow owned. maybe she will change.
lareneg72 2 months ago
@lareneg72
"rachel maddow owned."
Curious... at what part? The part where she got him to admit that a claim in his book was false, or the multiple incidents where she introduced him to material that he didn't even know was in it? Do tell.
ImmortalSynn 2 months ago 3
@ImmortalSynn
because he is much smarter than that liberal 1 sided talk show host. she is gay and she doesn't want to admit that somebody that is gay can change. why is her being gay more valid than somebody else who was gay but, isn't anymore? live and let live be happy for people not mad because they were gay but aren't anymore. i don't have a problem with her sexual preference I have a problem with her thinking she is a reporter when in fact she is just another liberal hack with an agenda
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
"that liberal 1 sided talk show host"
From this response, you aren't exactly the paragon of objectivity in your own right, lol.
"she doesn't want to admit that somebody that is gay can change"
And why SHOULD she, when there's NO empirical evidence for that? None. Strictly anecdotal.
"I have a problem with her thinking she is a reporter"
I CHALLENGE you to show ANY situation of her calling/considering herself a reporter. Here's a hint: you won't find any.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn she is 1 sided. gay people change all the time. she has said she is a journalist many times.
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
"she is 1 sided"
Of course she is, she's an analytical commentator who's never pretended to be anything but.
"gay people change all the time"
Correction: some gay people CLAIM they've "changed," but there's no scientifically solid evidence to back that up
"she has said she is a journalist many times"
Bullshit. You're a liar. She's NEVER claimed to be a journalist in any of her shows, and I told you to SHOW (not just repeat your idiotic claim) her doing otherwise
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn we are supposed to believe people are born gay without any scientific proof, but we can't believe they change from gay to straight unless there is any scientific proof. grow up. she is a liberal bully, just like you. liberals are the most intolerant people on the face of the earth.
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
Who's this "we?" Speak for yourself. I don't give any more scientific credence to "born gay, end of story" people than I do "gay can change" because the evidence to either is strictly anecdotal. Try again rookie.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn Accolades and Honors:
For her efforts as a political journalist, Rachel Maddow has been awarded:
2010 Walter Cronkite Faith & Freedom award. Past recipients include Tom Brokaw, Larry King, and the late Peter Jennings.
On Being a Liberal
"I am a liberal. I'm not a partisan, not a Democratic Party hack. I'm not trying to advance anybody's agenda."
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
"Walter Cronkite Faith & Freedom award"
Which has no stipulation whatsoever that a broadcaster be a journalist as opposed to an analyst as opposed to a commentator, or a combination of any of the above. You've failed yet again.
PS. Um, when did I or anyone else on here ever dispute her being a Liberal??? What's the point of your quote?
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn this is from your boyfriends (bill dumbshit mahers) episode guide 188.Untitled
Former Tennessee Sen. Bill Frist; journalist Rachel Maddow; journalist Jon Meacham; chairwoman of the King Hussein Foundation, Queen Noor of Jordan; director Oliver Stone.
suck it you lose.
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
Are you TRULY this dim, or are you pretending to be just for the sake of trolling?? I asked you to find an example of HER claiming to be a journalist. You have STILL failed to do that, and of course you'll continue to do so, as SHE has never claimed herself to be one in broadcast.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn
hey dummy you lose that is her colleagues calling her a journalist. go protest wal mart, loser.
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
I'm aware of who's saying what. But I'm truly curious as to how you don't seem to comprehend that the onus was NEVER to find an example of someone ELSE calling her that-- I challenged you, and you failed, to find ANY example whatsoever of SHE referring to herself as a journalist. Because, as has been stated, she hasn't.
You can type the words "lose" and "loser" all you won't, but that doesn't change the fact that you were WRONG, and COULD NOT meet a challenge.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn your wrong
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
Oh? About what part exactly? This oughta be interesting.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@lareneg72 she should correct her colleagues. she doesn't have a problem trying to correct conservatives. partisan hack
lareneg72 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn she is a liberal, partisan, democratic party hack. she denied 2 out of 3.
Why did you even start writing me? did i offend you because i have a different opinion than you.
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
"Why did you even start writing me? did i offend you because i have a different opinion than you."
Because I will not let a blatant falsehood, which is what you just spewed, go unchallenged.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn i haven't spewed any falsehoods. she is a liberal, partisan, democratic party hack that is boring and missed informed.
lareneg72 1 month ago
@lareneg72
It's "misinformed," dumbass... and she's already forgotten more than you'll ever know, so not quite sure how you come to that conclusion.
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@lareneg72 people that are gay can't change to straight, those that have 'changed' have just returned to the awful repression they lived with prior to coming out of the closet.
wxgeek723 1 month ago
He said "treatment plan" but denies they offer a "cure"... Either the treatment is bogus, or they are selling a cure! Go pray on that!
whatever000whenever 2 months ago
What that man needs is a damn dick up his ass, because he's most obviously in denial.
meisema666 2 months ago 2
Maddow is a moron. An appeal to authority is not a proof of anything. The same organization deemed homosexuality a psychological disorder (which it is). All you're saying is that people who have no moral qualms with sodomy say there's nothing wrong with sodomy. Shocking admission. If the argument is that one can never reverse a natural inclination, there's proof against that. If the argument is that if an inclination is natural, it must be pursued, you're moral deviant. simple.
Sage80 2 months ago
@Sage80
"Maddow is a moron."
....those in glass houses.
"An appeal to authority is not a proof of anything."
Unless said authorities can show consistent/repeatable empirical proof to support their position. Science-- familiar with it?
"you're moral deviant"
...eh, guess not, to my last question. Silly me, to bring science into a "moral" question. :-/ LOL, put down the Bible/Torah, and read a book updated sometime in the last century.
ImmortalSynn 2 months ago 7
@Sage80 what else can you say? MADDOW IS GAY SHES A LESBIAN!! shes a sinner, shes going to hell
GollaGandaLova 2 months ago
@GollaGandaLova LMAO she's a "sinner" she's "going to hell" how do yhou know this? well you DONT.. the bible is not a book of science and if you use it as a weapon against gays you have to take it all not just what u like. so u better be living all the laws both hebrew and christian christian scripture and im know u r not so YOU too will be going to your "hell". just an FYI
Pisces31660 2 months ago
@Sage80 im confused... so even if i CHOOSE to be "gay" i shouldn't be? you dont promote freedom and equality and choice? Sodomy is between God and me. It's none of your business what i do in my bedroom w/ another consenting adult just as i respect that what you do in the privacy of your bedroom is none of my business. otherwise you are living in the medieval ages using words like "deviant". maybe you still believe in Which Hunts too??
Pisces31660 2 months ago
@Sage80 Maddow is so far from being a moron that in starting your statement off like that you completely disqualify anything else you have to say as being clearly far to biased to be reasonable. It's as if someone who ideologically disagreed with Newt for instance, said he was an idiot. He's clearly not-even if you disagree with him on some things. She even says here something like "Rush is very smart" demonstrating my point.
You, my friend, are the moron in this.
friendsofjeremy 2 months ago 4
@Sage80 I declare you the winner here. ImmortalSynn's only counter-argument was to disparage you and say something vague and unsupported about science . That only proves he's on the Left. He could have just said he was and I would have believed him.
RoboSlater 2 months ago
@RoboSlater
"can show consistent/repeatable empirical proof to support their position" is "vague and unsupported" to you? Ummmmmm, considering that you thus apparently cannot grasp the (3rd grade level) fundamental definition of science-- you're therefore not in much of a meriting position to "declare" anything. lol
ImmortalSynn 2 months ago
Why are anti-gays always so misinformed, petulant, and unable to cope with reality?
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
@Sage80 you make me sad for America
imjustsayin11 2 months ago
@Sage80 So what is your appeal to? You say science, but the "science" your little group of repressed homosexuals and moronic bible thumpers is primarily just made up.
He even acknowledges, and dodges a response to Maddow pointing out, his using FAKE figures to illustrate a point.
pleasereason 2 months ago
@pleasereason Science is "primarily just made up"?
Lol. And typed on a computer, no less.
mistajames3213 1 month ago
He doesnt want to take responsibility cause his ass is on the line MAJOR. And he's a closet case, pathetic
RodTalon0000 2 months ago
@4.10.. " homosexual teachers are responsible for pupil molestation, 40% of molestation takes place by those who engage in homosexuality" .. OK.. so 75% of pupil molestation was done by heterosexuals and 60% of molestation takes place by heterosexuals... clearly if we have to start a gay conversion therapy clinic.. it needs to be for straight people to convert to gay so we have less molestation and more men for me ;)..
PS: for idiots who dont get it.. its called sarcasm
joellobo112689 2 months ago 3
Rachel should have owned him. seriously, if his "homosexuality" was just the lack of a father and that was sexualized after puberty, he's saying that he was never really homosexual, but his need for a father had been sexualized. Therefore, all arguments are invalid.
kinodesplat 2 months ago
uh i saw no pwnage here...seems to me that the uploader of this video is more or less living out his liberal fantasies...
WickederThanThou 2 months ago
@WickederThanThou
"uh i saw no pwnage here"
Then clean the crap outta your eyes and look again, it's not difficult to find. Even for you.
ImmortalSynn 2 months ago 2
What is impressive is how she avoids tearing this guy a new butthole....she has an incredible amount of patience and self-control, far more reserved than the pundits over on FOX.
colonalMcGillicuddy 3 months ago 3
@colonalMcGillicuddy if you dont like fox news dont watch it...youre like one of those dumb bitches that stays in an abusive relationship...always bitching about how abusive the partner is but continue to remain invested in the relationship...fox news is #1 in cable news because of retarded cunts like you...IF YOU DONT LIKE FOX NEWS, STOP WATCHING!!
WickederThanThou 2 months ago
@WickederThanThou
Why do you assume that someone who doesn't like it, continues to (or ever even did) watch it in the first place?
ImmortalSynn 2 months ago
@ImmortalSynn i assumed nothing...i know for a fact you leftwads are obsessed with fox news...it pisses you off that its number one in cable news and it pisses you off its far more entertaining than pmsnbc...no one even mentioned fox news yet you were compelled to spew about it like a raging douche...fox news would like to thank you dildoheads for making it #1 lulz
WickederThanThou 2 months ago
@WickederThanThou
"i assumed nothing"
Then congratulations, you're delusional.
ImmortalSynn 2 months ago
RM is gay
green5leaf 3 months ago
@green5leaf
...and you're observant! Wow!!
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
Its sad to know that millions of people think the same way that guy does. Its scary.
crystalsaete 3 months ago 3
She's saying that you wrote "Mein Kampf" asshole; and she's right.
jerico641 3 months ago
This pig is lying; the government in Uganda is doing exactly what groups like this want them to do: destroying human beings because of who they love.
jerico641 3 months ago 4
Wow, what a fucked up guy. Is it really so horrible to be gay that you need to be "cured" or "fixed"!? I thought God, or whomever created us, made us all different on purpose and accepted us the way we are just as we should accept eachother, gay or straight. This world would be terribly boring if we were all the same. Also, if we can't be "cured" of being gay then why shouldn't we be able to have a healthy and happy relationship with our partner and an enjoyable sexlife.
Dezzaster2 3 months ago 2
If following a gay lifestyle is only the result of your environmental influences and it is not about DNA or anything, then why do I see so many really painful and heartbreaking stories about people´s coming out who were raised in extremely anti-gay environments, states, nations... ?
mortulu 3 months ago 2
@mortulu Beceause that which you supress will become stronger. Next time you are angry try and supress that anger. And keep doing that over and over. In a couple of weeks you will probably kill somebody or something.
itsmedontusee 3 months ago
@mortulu My theory is because religious fundamentalism promotes sexual repression which may give people a guilt complex about enjoying heterosexual sex and foster homosexuality as a reactive disturbance.
dubified89 2 months ago
@dubified89
Of course, that then does nothing to explain:
1) why some children come out before they even know what sexual intercourse *is*
2) the myriad of gays who didn't come from militant religious or repressive homes
ImmortalSynn 2 months ago
Can we turn straight people gay? Cause if we can't do that, then why should be worry about turning the gay straight?
tfavors28 3 months ago 7
@tfavors28 haha good point lets try to turn all the straights gay and see how far that goes.
phoenix73662 1 month ago
@tfavors28 yeah people turn gay,ive seen women be with many guys then get frustrated and give up on men then become lesbians,
lilbeaveymac 1 month ago
@lilbeaveymac
The flaw here is assuming they weren't bisexual in the first place
ImmortalSynn 1 month ago
@ImmortalSynn Case rested when you haven't even made a sensible case yet. Are you seriously expecting there to be some sort of scientific research to be conducted on gay/straight conversion with empirical evidence to either support or refute it? LOL! Keep dreaming because in this overly PC society with a growing pro-homosexual agenda, you will NEVER see these things studied properly. It just won't ever happen, so let these people do as they wish. They aren't harming you any.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69
"Are you seriously expecting there to be some sort of scientific research to be conducted on gay/straight conversion with empirical evidence to either support or refute it?"
Well, yeahhhhhhhh.... particularly because there have already been some. Care to guess the results.
"They aren't harming you any."
Well yeah, but unlike you, I seem to have the ability to think beyond what directly affects me. What an IDIOTIC thing of you to say, on a humanitarian topic *sigh*
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
@ImmortalSynn I've read one of the VERY few studies conducted on this and guess what? More than half of the individuals who underwent a conversion were considered successfully converted. Of course, the study was attacked as being unethical and no serious attempts to conduct large scale studies have ever been done by the medical community and no serious attempts to standardize a treatment has ever been done. Just isn't going to happen in an overly PC, pro-homosexual society.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69
"I've read one of the VERY few studies conducted on this and guess what? More than half of the individuals who underwent a conversion were considered successfully converted."
And I call bullshit on you, right here, right now.
But I'll play along: what's this alleged study's name? Venue published and date? Authors/Researchers? Take all the time you need.
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
@ImmortalSynn Call bullshit all you want, but I don't need any time. Here it is: "Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation? 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation", Spitzer RL, Arch Sex Behav. 2003 Oct;32(5):403-17; discussion 419-72.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69
"Call bullshit all you want"
Oh, I will, particularly considering what you just posted. I'd heard of this study before, and you're right, it was trashed bigtime, because it was flawed on sooooooooooooooooooooooo many levels.
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
@ImmortalSynn Yeah, trashed on sooooooo many levels by who? People with agendas, no less. I take it you haven't even read the study or even know how to properly read a study. The truth is that NO study is flawless, they have limitations, but the key message here is clear. People can feel themselves to be converted and if they do, who is anyone else to say they are wrong or have been harmed? Their opinion doesn't matter. Let sexual freedom prevail.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69
"The truth is that NO study is flawless, they have limitations"
Sure, but those "limitations" are exponentially increased when the study fails to be conducted in (BASIC) ways to reduce statistical-bias in both methods and interpretation. This was very clearly, not, in multiple regards.
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
@ImmortalSynn Since I see you haven't even included all the posts I have submitted to you and since it seems you feel the need to "approve" all the comments submitted here, I know you'll never give me a fair shake in this discussion. If you want me to continue,, shut off the comment approvals and let the discussion unfold naturally without your constant control of the info. Unless you do that, I will accept that you know you are defeated and, therefore, I have no more use for you. Thanks.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69
Fuck you, lol. This is my thread, I don't want the spammish crap that ends up on discussions of this size, and I'll run it how I see fit.
Also, you're full of shit, as there's not a single thing you have in queue that hasn't been pushed through. In case you haven't noticed, I ENJOY posts by the likes of you, not avoid them.
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
You know, this isn't really about sexual freedom, is it? It's really all about pro-homosexuality. The proof? Just the thought that there are homosexuals out there that don't want to be homosexual and try to convert themselves is found to be APPALLIING and met with OUTRAGE. Why is that the case? If this really was about sexual freedom, then people should ALSO be free to try to be whatever the hell it is they want to be and no one should have a damn thing to say about it.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69
Pathetic assessment. The slightest bit of analytical skill should've shown you that at NO POINT in this video was the argument being made that people shouldn't be free to try to change themselves.
The argument here, and with most gay-conversion opponents is that many of these so-called therapists have unorthodox methods that could prove psychologically (and at times, physically) damaging in the long run, yet they're selling them for profit.
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
@ImmortalSynn Excuse me, but who are you to say that these methods are psychologically damaging? These individuals aren't being mind-controlled. They willingly seeked out help from those that they believe can help them. Your assessment couldn't possibly be more pathetic because it wreaks of a pro-homosexual bias and agenda. Mind your own business and let sexual freedom prevail. Selling them for profit? Here's a newflash for you, ALL medical treatments cost money. That's a fact of life.
LedWhisky69 3 months ago
@LedWhisky69
Oh lord. Y'know what, I can sum this up in a way so basic that even you can grasp it:
if there was REALLY any consistent method(s) of scientific/tangible merit, for converting gay people to straight... then do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that some dimwitted putz like Richard Cohen would be the one cornering the market? Or do you think major corporations/psychological associations would get legions of people working on that, in numbers only the pharaohs would've understood?
Case rested.
ImmortalSynn 3 months ago
@ 7:41, the look on his face is priceless! Kind of a "Oh shit..I did write that" look!
jatheist25 3 months ago
I don't know how Rachel managed to stay calm at the beginning. I wanted to slam this guy since the first stupid arguments he vomited on this show.
MenwithHill 3 months ago
richard cohen is a dangerous idiot.
serappia 4 months ago
That guy is probably in so much denial. you can't "cure" homosexuality...that's just nonsense.
djazr 4 months ago
this idiot isn't str8 he is just in denial and Rachel should get up and kick his ass into the next week..he is a lying sack of shit
xadam2dudex 4 months ago
there is no such thing as homosexuality, it is a concept invented by jews and before america, sodomy was called sodomy.
now thanks to corrupt neo liberalism it is just a way to divide and conquer and undermine family rights. its a fake and i see right through it.
musty264 4 months ago
@musty264
I ~almost~ hate to be the one to break this to you, but "sodomy" both by definition and (prior to 2003) by US law, didn't apply to just homosexual/anal activity. Hell, in several states, any non-missionary-position-vaginal sex act (even if between a married man and woman couple) was technically defined as "sodomy".... which is a big reason why it was struck down as unconstitutional.
But why let actual facts get in the way of an argument like yours, right? :-/
ImmortalSynn 4 months ago 27
@ImmortalSynn and how is american law factual? jews manipulate law
btw trying to lump people into catagories because of acts is foolish, its never been doen before in history, even in ancient greece where sodomy and pederasty were rampant, if you take a bull away from female bulls, it will sodomise male ones.
if you research its mostly jewish lobbyists that are pushing gay rights while undermining christians.
a man doing different sexual things is ok. theres nothing different about them.
musty264 4 months ago
@musty264
What's your weird obsession with Jews. Creepy.
ImmortalSynn 4 months ago 13
@ImmortalSynn Throw the Jew down the well! SO My COUNTRY CAN BE FREE. Hah, Zionist Conspiracy theories are retarded.
SpartanCXVII 4 months ago
@musty264 female cows aren't "female bulls" you stupid ass. They are just cows. Then there are steers, who have been castrated. Like most fox news viewers.
WolfenFoust 4 months ago
@ImmortalSynn furthermore at some point interracial relationships were both illegal and considered immoral-but then as now, just because the religious community screams something doesn't make it right.
friendsofjeremy 2 months ago
@musty264 Sodomy was not just homosexual acts. even a straight married couple could be be convicted of sodomy if they had anal or oral sex.
fashionhistorylover 4 months ago
@musty264 whoops, you sure saw through that ancient shylock conspiracy of sodomy. And also undermining your "family rights" by existing all these sodomites are also trying to steal your money and indeed trying to turn you fruity as well? you fucking idiot.
WolfenFoust 4 months ago
@musty264 Ummm, so in what way did jews manipulate reality here? Homosexuality, by definition, is when two people of the same sex have intercourse. If the jews invented this, then run for your lives, because these people have the power to alter basic reality. The truth of it is, homosexuality as a concept becomes homosexuality in reality as people act on it.
subRegCoder 4 months ago
@musty264 hate to break it to ya but homosexuality isnt anything new. It existed before Christ (Egyptians for ex, 5000BC) and it always existed in the animal kingdom. Get a proper education.
angrymoth2 4 months ago
@musty264 hey, you can get a life now at your local market. They're cheap, dont worry.
Killerjosh89 4 months ago
@musty264 Awww is somebody an attention whore? Looking at the comments you have left on other videos you clearly just say what you say for shock value and attention. Get some friends guy.
ILoveTrannys89 3 months ago
@musty264 I love your concept of Jews inventing homosexuality. It sounds so silly it could come from the Monty Python.
MenwithHill 3 months ago