Plane Crash Flight 3407 - Original Audio from the Cockpit

[MaroonCamaro]

Dash 8's are good planes. It wasn't the plane's fault

[DeadRaymanWalking]

OMG! This happened one hour away from where I live! No wonder why I was scared to get on the Dash 8 for Continental!

[Hope2009pc]

@sissillian1 It was a very intense situation. What plane are you flying today?

[habs5926]

@bluekrim fun fact, more people die being kicked by mules then in aviation related accidents...funny how the world works

[textthing]

@habs5926

You know, I'm pretty sure you don't have actual statistics on that.

[samthecat07]

@bluekrim I totally agree. I'd ride a mule rather than fly. If you really want to get depressed, just read about the crash of flight 800...broke in half at 13,000....the rear climbed to 17,000 before falling into the Atlantic with many people still very much alive and conscious. I'll never get it out of my head.

[bluekrim]

this is the worst way to die =(

[FirstFlight271]

dang . looks like a movie scene : (

[lmos26]

seriously when did boomhauer become a pilot?

[lmos26]

Saaaay what?

[eswillie]

i'll say it one more time, listen to the atc recordings, they were never notified of the icing conditions, especially in the altitudes they were told to maintain.....should they have considered that regardless of the info given??? dunno, but i would guess from my limited aviation experience, that they did not expect what occurred. should they have been able to deal with it? again, dunno, but they certainly should have gotten all the info available, and they did not.

sad, however you look at it

[shanegalang2]

how copy over............

[ACD605]

What bugs me about this incident is the fact that this was correctable! As a pilot myself, in the Private pilot they teach you pitch controls air speed and power controls altitude. I don't understand how a 3000 hour pilot kept pulling back the yoke? Should never have happened!

[roquefortfiles]

@ACD605 What do you fly? I watched the NTSB animation and i could watch their airspeed dropping drastically. I said to myself.. "They are going to stall" and sure enough a minute later they pitch up and its all over the place. Seems like no one was watching their airspeed. Lousy pilot or something. Too bad all those people had to die over something like this.

[Danind03]

In total 50 people died in the accident, from the air, and the ground.

[shanegalang2]

@Danind03 here "omg we are all going to die"!!!!!!!! there

[MissWooHoo1]

its boring unless you hear the pilots in the cockpit.

[gaberle1]

With no configuration change, a deep stall with this type of plane can be recovered in 300-500 feet. The flap selection from 10 to 0 created a gap between the current speed and the stall speed to such an extent that the resultant downward momentum cost them at least 1500 feet.

[PrecisionEngineered]

They slowed their airspeed, and when they put the gears down, the aircraft slowed further. As a result the aircraft started losing altitude. In an attempt to gain altitude, the pilots pulled up on the yolk. The aircraft tried to correct itself by auto-pitching the nose down in order to gain speed. The pilots then pulled up again, fighting the correction and put the craft into a stall.

[jasong19711]

scary to think it could be any one of us.

[TomN2CO]

It's a 74 seater!

[pianomansas]

@TomN2CO NO ITS a 70

[b190captain]

I am not sure of their standard operating procedures and profiles but putting the gear down when the localizer is alive is rather odd.

Not only the Captain had a bad training history but the first Officer sealed their fate by raising the flaps and she did so without permission. BIG NO NO.

[frog45678]

@b190captain after reading about the incident,i really dont feel this team should have been flying together

[M11ty]

that crash woke me up and the sirans kept me up all night

[ginue02]

me to

[kalbsleber]

man thats from the tower not cockit-.-

[Channel79productions]

The captain was male. Guess who was ultimately responsible for the safety of the flight.

Guess who did the opposite of what pilots are trained to do when the aircraft is approaching or in a stall.

If you guessed the captain, you're absolutely right. It seems that him having a penis didn't give him all the answers.

As for you, being a penis does nothing for your credibility.

[Stickeyjam]

lol you said Penis

[lodengreeneyes]

@thecravenator42069 No, she was the co-pilot - First Officer Rebecca Shaw and not the pilot flying at that point. The pilot - flying the plane was male - Capt. Marvin Renslow.

I can't imagine what gender has to do with this anyway.

[LedZepp1193]

which voices are the pilots?

[mcgra8bc]

The ones responding to ATC

[saabflyer]

The Dash 8 is the BEST in Ice...the plane is not to blame here.

[dingoklectos]

well...i wouldn't say its the best, but it definitely is ok for ice...in this case the captain/1st off are to blame.

[DanOblacksmith]

I grow tired of reading comments about this plane or that plane is a junk aircraft, that is bunk. I served as a huey helicopter mechanic in the marines and later earned my A&P certificates, I know a little about aviation. The problem with this crash in Clarence was NOT attributable to the aircraft in question or its maintenance history. The problem here -and this is very cut and dry- is simple greed. There is NO EXCUSE for inexperienced aircrew to have been in command of that flight. RIP 3407.

[henerymag]

@DanOblacksmith I saw a show ' Mayday" on tv this week. There was a bad weld on a bolt that broke on those pendulum things ( I'm no expert ) that is in the tail that operates the rudder. The pendulums started swinging and broke open the doors which destroyed the vertical tail so they had no control. The male pilot had failed previous testing but was hired on in any case

[DanOblacksmith]

I grew up in Clarence right in that very flightpath approach to Buffalo. I can't count the times I've seen planes in obvious distress flying way too low over residential areas. TWICE my grandmother's yard has had objects fall from commercial airliners onto her property,once was a chunk of ice (in summer) large enough to have gone from the roof to the basement if it had hit the house and the other time it rained jet fuel over the whole yard and house (Harris Hill Rd). People trust they are safe.

[bugattiveyron2i8]

i dont believe that

[obigandalf]

You are grossly misinformed. The Q400 model is usually rigged in the 72-seat configuration. The older Q300 is the 50-seat, and is noticeably smaller and less powerful.

Also, you advertise this as recordings from the flight deck. You only have air traffic control tapes, not cockpit recordings.

[Sjusovare2]

This aircraft Dash-8 Q400 is known in scandinavia as Crash-8 beacuse it always breakes and crashes.

[fia416]

That's false information. This is a great aircraft. It had some wheel problems in the start and now has many companies operating just with this aircraft.

[Sjusovare2]

Hmmmm.... As one of the senior mechanics for Scandinavian airlines said: "I have in more then 30 years, as a service mechanic, never seen a modell with so many problems as this one."

If you like this plane... Good! Keep them on your side of the atlantic so I don´t have to fly with them.

[ConspiracyTheory81]

wow good for you, is there an achievement for that? where is ur medal??

[Sjusovare2]

Yes there is.... a nice one ! I have a whole bunch.

[chadwick828]

no, get your facts right first.

I fly DHC-8's with LIAT everyday, our aircraft put up with 30-40 flights a day. SInce we've updated our aircraft to the dash 8 in 1996, the only accident we've had was a wheel coming off during takeoff.

So please get your facts right, the Dash 8 is a great aircraft.

[Sjusovare2]

You get what you pay for. Most airlines buy it to cut costs and to put it on low income lines.

I just revert you to my earlier comment. Thats facts.

I´ll never fly again with the Crash 8 Q400 .

[obigandalf]

As a European Dash-driver (Q400), I have to refute your slander. SAS paid a bunch of CHEAP contract maintenance engineers, and the aircraft suffered. AAG have their own maintenance staff, and never had a problem lowering the undercarriage. You get what you pay for. Maybe SAS needed to pay for better service engineers.

Besides, with our two engines, we are more economic, and almost as fast, as the Avroliner, no wonder feederliners chose Q400 or Saab 2000. Jet speed-prop efficiency.

[Sjusovare2]

Yea .... Thats right you get way you pay for.

And the Q400 is as you describe a cheap alternative.

The SAS maitinance crew has not had any problems maintaining any other aircraft in the fleet.... why was this so diffrent?

[obigandalf]

As I said, contractors. They had no experience with this type of aircraft. The PW150s are a pair of the most advanced turboprops available to civilians, and Bombardier(de Havilland Canada) have a lot of experience with props and propjets.

I did not say cheap, I said ECONOMIC.

Malev do not seem to have any problems with theirs, even the ones that strangely have red engine cowlings.

Air Berlin have no problems.

Nor FlyBE.

Nor Luxair.

We are buying 4 new, Olympic and Air Baltic also.

[JordanIsMegatron101]

One of my friends was suposed to be on that flight. He must of had a gardian angel with im because he descided not to go home that day....

[cedtrucker82]

for the idiots on here that dont know whats going this is fo shaw communicating with atc as us pilots do. if you dont know what you are talking about then please shut up and not disrespect those that arent here to defend themselves. im sure i have more hours flying than most of you idiots have walking and to the victims and families may you all rest in peace from one pilot to another god bless you all

[bkctoo]

Thanks for confirming that all pilots are fucking assholes.

[fia416]

Ummm what? Ignorance buddy

[bkctoo]

What an intelligent retort.

[bkctoo]

Oh, and fuck you!

[superskullmaster]

@cedtrucker82

[51gramps]

midgetsmakemehappy is an idiot

[frenchloveballerina]

the captain didnt know what he was doing, shes first officer, she doesnt fly the plane. they didnt have previous icing experience and the panicked

[buddyguy340]

wow that dumbass pilot pulled up when he heard the stall warning... never should have been flying that plane

[flycory]

you are making comments on a subject you know nothing about.  keep your moronic comments to yourself.

[frenchloveballerina]

i read cockpit transcripts and he was hired without much expirence (he said that?) why would they have two unexpirienced pilots flying in dead winter with icing conditions?

[brutalbegude]

ladybitchy is a liar. wtf?

[VeriSheri]

This is NOT cockpit audio.

[silver418star]

exactly! air traffic control.....is there cockpit audio on here?

[lifescandy]

The fact that they dont know what to tell the incoming dash-8 after the crash is pretty scary. there's a reason i hate the turboprops

[Hope2009pc]

They told them to be prepared.

[flyer176]

Turboprops are just as safe as turbofan (jet) engines if they are operated correctly... even in icing or fog.

[obigandalf]

Please, as a propdriver, tell me the reason you don't like turboprops.

As a professional, and enthusiastic about my profession, I like to put people's minds at rest over their fears.

[texasbikerider]

Controllers are not trained to be calm, but trained to continue doing their jobs in emergency situations. Most are pretty good at it.

[cn2zv5oe]

This is not cockpit audio. It's ATC, you douche!

[LizZy869]

ATC'S are trained to remain calm in emergencies...

[slippp40]

i dont get how they talk in a normal voice when they know the plane crashed, i would be like freaking out calling 911 and stuff

[AdamJLemon]

They are taught and trained to be professional at all times...if they panic, the pilots panic. Much like a waiter would never punch a rude diner in the face, an ATC controller would never start freaking out when they find out one of their planes have gone down. If they feel they cannot be professional in that situation, they ask to be relieved, or they never come back.

[slippp40]

I would never be ATC....

[vegaslover777]

Very few people can do this kind of work.

[jeffillinois]

Their training is pretty extreme, but so is their job. It's on almost every list of "Top 10 most stressful jobs." Usually in the top three or four.

It takes a special person to be a ATC Controller. A lot of people wash out and have to find other careers.

If you thought you didn't have a spare moment in your work day, ... try being an air traffic controller.... :-P

[trigodave]

Be great if you could add sub-titling to your video, some of the early transmissions are difficult to follow, I found...

[ColonelSamatoshi]

I hate it when people squeeze all the chatter together. Does anyone have the whole unclipped audio?

[ladybchi]

Yes, I have it.

[broadpath]

@ColonelSamatoshi Yes, there is another video with the audio in real time overlaid on the NTSA annimation.

[makowals]

That co-pilot needed to learn how to hold down her push-to-talk button for a second or two before she talked. She kept chopping-off the first part of most of her transmissions.

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[prestonite]

Stop using the death of these people to promote your video..

[califcamper]

I knew the pilot of this tragic plane crash, he was a great man and pilot, I know he did all he could, not alot you can do flying one of these into ice with ice buildup, with seconds left, he brought his landing gear back in and tried to stabilize the plane, godbless to, captain, Marvin Renslow, and first officer Rebecca Shaw, and all aboard this flight.

[obigandalf]

I hope you have now seen the video from the NTSB. Captain Renslow did not do all he could. Shaw retracted the flaps, an act that was totally wrong. Renslow acted incorrectly. I do not doubt you admire the man, but he failed his training and the people on his aircraft that day drastically and irrevocably.

[CIWS1]

yeah as i recall he put his DEICE on after take off. That would have been a foolish move. Deice isn't supposed to be used before ice has formed. He wasn't flying for Colgan long. That plane was Brand new off the assembly line as well.

[obigandalf]

Some checklists call for the de-icing to be turned on at certain points even if there is no visible build-up, it cycles through anyway. Each aircraft type, and each system, has a set of regulations written specific to that type on how it is to be used. If we suspect ice during climbout, or landing, we would turn the de-icing equipment cycle to MAXIMUM early on, even if we are still in clear air.

[CIWS1]

But the point is if it is left on for the duration it is ineffective. DeIce if it is inflated while the ice is still thin and pliable will form a cavity. The ice rather then break away simply forms around the Boot's max inflation range and eventually kills the wings lift. I've seen it personally. I've seen the training video's on this myself and how it forms. What i should have said is he LEFT the Deice on after take off. Trust me i don't like seing my own company's planes crash.

[obigandalf]

How familiar are you with the DH8D de-icing equipment? With the system activated, the boots do NOT stay inflated, they pulse over a period according to the setting. You can fly the whole day with the system activated. The only problem is that the system itself will fatigue faster and need maintenance actions more often.

[CIWS1]

Very. I work on them and have the honor of changeing them out when they become worn out. if the ice is too "young" then it won't break away. That is my point.

The boots always cycle, that is how they break the ice away. But if left on they will not break the ice efficiently.

I'm not trying to argue. This is a basic fact learned by all A&P's.

[rj022]

god bless these human beings. the crash happened due to being in auto pilot to long when the flat were lowered it was de-activated. the plane dropped 1800mls to 800mls. the plane stalls and then the pilot panics some by pulling up on the joy stick causing the to loose more balance it required 300mls to pull out of this stall plane was at 800mls house was at 625mls. plane crashes on it belly. the sad part is imagine the passengers surviving the impact of the crash but the furious fire burns um

[jmr604]

This is not audio from the cockpit. This is audio from radio communications.

[ladybchi]

thanks for your comment, but one side of the conversation 'from the cockpit,' that's not to suggest it's the audio recorded from within the cockpit.

[jmr604]

The title should state ATC communication from the cockpit or something from the sort, because there is such a thing as cockpit audio that is completely different from what is in this video. When I saw the title I thought I was going to listen to the cockpit voice recording from the "black box" but it was not it. That's all.

[iremmeber]

@ladybchi that's what the title implies though, maybe you should change it to "ATC recording" or something like that

[emoney716]

r u kidding me!!!! I am from Buffalo..First of all it was a male pilot.. and 2nd, it didnt matter who was flying.. There is no place for what you said..

[ladybchi]

I couldln't agree more, that was a terrible and insensitive thing to say.

[JohnnyInHampton]

@emoney716 - Negative, Female Pilot was in Control

[jesusfreak0818]

@JohnnyInHampton upon what are you basing this statement ""Negative, Female Pilot was in Control"? where would you even get that idea?

if the female was in control, why was she communicating with ATC? the pilot in control would be flying, the other (not flying the plane right now) pilot handles comm.

if she had to fly AND do comm, why was there even a captain in there? to fetch her some coffee? that is totally contrary to most airline ops.

[ChrisWasHere747]

If there's ice on the wings of your plane, it really doesn't matter who's flying, you're going to crash. And if that still doesn't change your mind, I bet you couldn't save that plane either!

[vxtecom]

my heart and prayers go out to the victims family.

[vxtecom]

may everyone rest in peace!

[ChrisWasHere747]

what's wrong with a good ol' turboprop?

[ChrisWasHere747]

They're actually not that louder than a jet.

[SenorSpode]

djmaster: Where in the FUCK does your sentiment belong here? You asshole, people died on this flight. It's too bad *you* weren't on it. Now go color-arrange your foodstamps, loser.

You are a complete waste of sperm and egg. Stop breathing.

[ChrisWasHere747]

And I thought that flight 1549 was sad........

What a terrible way to go.........

For the first minute, it's really creepy to me to listen to the voice of the dead............RIP...........­.

I think that the de-icing malfunctioned, causing the crash.

Rest In Peace................

[sidomo]

may everyone rest in peace!

[nett003]

my heart and prayers go out to the victims family.