If all cultures are equal, then there is no right and wrong. If there is no right or wrong, there is no good or evil. Without any distinction, there is no reason to have self-restraint. Without self-restraint, a society crumbles.
warning - Islamic flamers below, quoting the Kooran (sic) and not being very peaceful at all. Get your house in order Muslim peoples, its people like this who let down your religion.
@runswithscissorsalot if he swore at my mother or sister, that doesnt deserve death, however whoever writes false information attacking the truth(islam)is a lowlife dog that needs to be put down. His book is an attack on all muslims 1.6bliion people around the world , does he think we are going to greet him with hugs and kisses.
@runswithscissorsalot you continue to miss the point, when u attack the most influential figure in human history(Muhammed peace be upon him), without any facts you are making 1.6billion people very very upset. This dog needs to face the consequences of his actions. He's an indian he could have easily spoke to a muslim and gained some knowledge before writing a book of lies saying the quran is from the devil.
@runswithscissorsalot his argument is relativism, which is preposterous if you believe in a god who created us, therefore you believe god is stupid as there is no structured truth just perception in regards to culture. However islam is not a culture, there is no supreme race or social norms will follow, islam came to break all races and follow the devine law of god, we believe is absolutism and this is logical if there is one god.He is a confused dog and will die confused,islam is the only truth
He hits the right string. God is always personal! So why should there be someone dictating terms on how to worship him as long as you are within socially acceptable behavior?
Line said at the end of 'Angels & Demons' movies simplifies a lot for me
Wow he is a real Liberal thinker. However today's left is consumed mostly by champagne socialists, multicultural appeasers with no backbone nor hinderance of real intellectual caliber.
This arrogant bitch REALLY wants to be pro multicult, but it's good to see Salmon Rushdie speaking, to some degree, against this. The key problem being though, that theyare both pontificating about the "multiculturalism" being inflicted upon OUR society and civilisation!
Practicing Islam should be called Islamism and practacing muslims should be called Islamists and should be extended the the social pariahty that is given to all ather harmful factions of society, binned with the fascists and racists and communists and any other of the "Isms" who think they are better than anyone else
The radical jews who push for this destruction of your races through multiculturism are maintaining their own race with laws that forbid interracial marriage, and they have full segregation from other races in Israel. What they are doing is genocide of the white race.
@xantimus I am not so sure that muslims in the United States will demand Sharia if only because many of them are refugees from countries like Iran. They left their birthplace because they could no longer consider it a home due to theocracy. Somali and Pakistani immigrants are a bit different in that regard, and some do seem to want sharia to be the law of the land. In my opinion it is Christians attempting to legislate personal behavior that is the problem in the U.S.
I don't think that our failure (if one chooses to see it that way) to place primacy on the dissident voices within Islamic culture instead of the conservative ones is an intellectual failure, but a moral and perhaps political one. During the Cold War, we supported the dissidents because it suited our foreign policy goals (opposing the USSR), and for the same reasons, we have our ears turned in the mullahs direction today.
These "western" muslims are ideologists , just like our left-winged goverment (here in Holland). This fairytale called "Islamic integration" is an illusion, it will NEVER happen. The differences with western cultures are simply to big. The result here in Holland is that they created a sub-culture within my country. The Islam ideology is not about coexesting , but to conquer and replace.
@xantimus eh, I think the Islamic community just wants to be left alone. In the US, we have about half a million Muslims in Detroit, and thousands spread out across the rest of the country; they have been here for decades and haven't tried to conquer anything. Maybe integration won't work, but why not just let them be a sub-culture? What is the harm in it?
How delicouis IGNORANT you are. It's not here, so there IS no problem. You just wait and see what happens when the population of muslims in the US reaches 5% or more. When they start to try and get Sharia in the U.S, influence (infiltrate) your politics, reply to any insult with threats/agression, radicalisation, some politician with an anti-Islamic state of mind ,or different ideas they have, gets killed. You know ,go and find out what INFIDEL means according to the Quran..
@xantimus You're putting words in my mouth--I never said, or implied, that there wasn't a 'problem'; I just think that every nation/society has to deal with domestic issues on their own. If the Muslim population in America ever reaches 5% (an unlikely scenario), nothing will change--they adapt quite well in America, because there is no pressure on them to integrate culturally. The rumors about Muslims trying to force Sharia on us are absolute rubbish; no one has made any such initiative.
Like the oil-spill in the gulf of Mexico last year. It's not so bad as everybody told , it's just a little bit of oil !! Why all the commotion..We had oil-spills here , nothing needs to be done , nature will take care of it by herself.
@xantimus That's not really a good parallel, I don't think. Oil-spills have effects that are demonstrably negative; having a large Muslim population in your country doesn't.
I understand your discomfort with the Muslim community in principle--the Islamic ideology, from what little I know of it, does seem to be a bit unsettling because it does encourage or excuse violence and sedition in some cases. However, this is really no different than any other religion, including Christianity.
All religions are stupid and unnecessary. I support using force to stand up to anyone religion that has inordinate power over any other group of individuals in a localized area.
So, as much as I hate violence by religion X, I also will not tolerate those who make blanket statements against the use of all violence and force.
he is talking about values and criticizing relativism but then he rejects the values of his own people and mock them ! he is just a big mouth that is all
@DCG110 richfisherman is wrong. That woman is Irshad Manji, a unorthodox liberal-minded Muslim shunned by the mainstream Muslim community for her 'heretical' ideas.
Say whatever you want about religions, inasmuch as they are simply systems of thought- but regardless of what you think of people's beliefs, people themselves deserve respect, and "multiculturalism", in spite of all the convoluted abstractions it has given rise to, is first and foremost a counterweight against intolerance
Islam, Christianity and Judaism, in spite of their real or perceived faults, have contributed far too much to human civilization to be categorically rejected. Religions, just like secular philosophies and political ideologies, can easily be perverted by fanatics, but this doesn't mean their positive aspects and potential can be completely overlooked.
Islam, Christianity and Judaism, in spite of their real or perceived faults, have contributed far too much to human civilization to be categorically rejected. Religions, just like secular philosophies and political ideologies, can easily be perverted by fanatics, but this doesn't mean their positive aspects and potential can be completely overlooked.
Islam, Christianity and Judaism, in spite of their real or perceived faults, have contributed far too much to human civilization to be categorically rejected.
Religions, just like secular philosophies and political ideologies, can easily be perverted by fanatics, but this doesn't mean their positive aspects and potential can be completely overlooked.
@TheTollundWoman Islam was positive for a century or two as violently bringing order to a part of the world where utter barbarism reigned during the dark ages after the collapse of the Roman Empire. It´s violent roots, however, soon came back to haunt it and kill off forever (FROM WITHIN) the burgeoning enlightenment emerging from civil society in such centres of learning as Baghdad and Adalusia - thus proving that the basic teaching itself is inimical to human development and intelligence.
@mossfitz What they don't tell you is that Muslim Scholars during the Islamic Intellectual Age found a way to continue their Passion towards Mathematics not because of Islamic Rule but In spite of it. Mathematics was banned by the Islamic Caliphate because Mathematics would mean numbers and numbers are always evil... and of the Devil (Shaitan).
These Intellectual Muslims were put to death by Emperors for trying to uncover the Mysteries & for revealing the works of God - Allah.
Even if religion is as bad as you say, calling it "batshit" isn't going to accomplish anything, unless your goal is just to alienate as many people as possible.
@TheTollundWoman I have no particular wish to offend anyone, on the other hand, if I do offend someone´s religious sensibilities, I couldn´t care less. Your defense of the indefensible is..........a waste of everyone´s time. I will not show respect for a death cult that would love to see me and mine in a box. That you think I ought to is ridiculous.
The Prophet said, "I will judge you according to the Laws of Allah. Your 100 sheep and the slave are to be returned to you, and your son has to receive 100 lashes and be exiled for 1 year. O Unais! Go to the wife of this man, and if she confesses, then stone her to death." Unais went to her and she confessed. He then stoned her to death.
koran[4.15] And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.
[24.6] And those who accuse their wives and have no witnesses except themselves, the evidence of one of these (should be taken) four times, bearing Allah to witness that he is most surely of the truthful ones.
"My son was a laborer working for this man and he committed an illegal sexual intercourse with his wife, and I gave 100 sheep and a slave as a ransom for his sin. Then I asked a learned man about this case and he informed me that my son should receive 100 lashes and be exiled for 1 year, and the man's wife should be stoned to death."
@Schism89 'demand the killings of women' is misleading as it indicates only women should be stoned for adultery, not men. The truth is that Islam commands that both adultering men and women be stoned.
In the Western society, women are given softer punishments that men in the courts. In the Islamic world, more men that women are stoned, but the eager Western media is always ready to exaggerate cases of women committing crimes and presenting them as martyrs.
The Prophet said, "I will judge you according to the Laws of Allah. Your 100 sheep and the slave are to be returned to you, and your son has to receive 100 lashes and be exiled for 1 year. O Unais! Go to the wife of this man, and if she confesses, then stone her to death." Unais went to her and she confessed. He then stoned her to death.
Man 100 lashes, woman death, Thats islamic justice :-)
Multiculturalism must not be confused with moral relativism. The basis of multiculturalism is tolerance and respect for human beings, irrespective of their culture. Without morality there is no reason to respect or even tolerate anyone.
Multiculturalism, the healthy coexistence of cultures, is *irreconcilable* with the tenets of Islamic *fundamentalism*. Fundamentalists refuse to tolerate any culture or idea which doesn't correspond to their own worldview. Multiculturalism is impossible in a theocratic dictatorship, and possible only in an open, democratic society. The real enemies of multiculturalism are the Taliban, Hamas and Al Qaeda.
Do I hate Islam? I totally and unequivocally condemn ALL religions that perpetrate genocide by systemically exterminating those who leave said religion. I reject ALL religions that divide humanity into "clean" and "unclean". I reject equally ALL religions who seek to impose death on those who reject the God in question, whichever God that may be. ALL religions that murder apostates are, in my opinion, equally as despicable, hateful and inhuman. If the cap fits...
@cashox3 Are you seriously trying to say that ALL religions perpetrate genocide by systemically exterminating those who leave said religion, divide humanity into "clean" and "unclean", impose death on those who reject the God in question and murder apostates? If you want to know “which religions are left”, maybe you shouldn’t have skipped school so often. It’s up to you to find out. Ask a friend? Google it? Go to school? Try. You’ll feel much better about yourself when you get an education.
@deah99 amazing how you got all of that from 1 simple question - do you even know where i am coming from ? impressive how it blew your top, i was actually just asking a simple question - also apart from that, i didnt study religion or theology at university, i wouldnt waste my time with that, though the questions of atheism and religion interest me (as a hobby). anyway, it seems something about the 4 words i printed was already stuck in your throat before i ever typed them.
a) i wasnt alluding to genocide - i didnt read all your posts, just this one - b) dont tell me i should read all your posts before making a comments, because i bet you don't either, and don't say u do just to prove something. we all have other things to do than read every comment made in youtube. c) i wasn't talking about specific religions, if anything one that doesnt seem to lead to human suffering in any particular way is buddhism, so there you go, there is 1 at least. 4) i have an education.
and finally, just in passing, why wouldn't you be able to enlighten someone who asks a humble question. apparently you are on here 'teaching' people what you think is correct; because you cannot be so narrow minded as to think that what you may say will not be taken as information by others who know no better - so, why wouldn't you see my intivation to share your knowledge, and instead take a dump on me for not knowing as much as you in this domain - seriously up your own ass.... thats all.
@cashox3 Then the answer to "which religions are left" would have to be "all those that don't perpetrate genocide by systemically exterminating those who leave said religion, those that don't divide humanity into "clean" and "unclean", those that don't impose death on those who reject the God in question and those that don't murder apostates". So you really needed a list? I'm not concerned with those religions that don't do those things, only the ones that do. Was Googling the anwser so hard?
@deah99 .. nevermind, i see we we not meant to communicate as individuals for more than 2 minutes, and googling the answer wouldn't have worked, what with all the rubbish on the web etc also i do like to converse with people and arrive at conclusions through the method of conversation. but all in all, i guess this exchange was totally fruitless. nice talking with you
@cashox3 What can I say, more than that my genuine and heart-felt encouragement for your continued education and the potential for the utilization of the vast possibilities for modern-day research via various channels was only generated by your sincere and unpretentious enquiry as to the relative nature of various religions.
@deah99 when you got a point, seems like you tend to hammer it home. Other people are also a source of education, maybe you should consider that in YOUR educational endeavour. but thanks for your encouragement. hopefully it was genuine even though somewhat glazed in a thin layer of sarcasm perhaps :P
i love this guy, and i will shake your hand and i will bow you. THANK YOU Mr. Roshdi with all do respect to you and your family. and i am sorry for the fatwa from and ididt anf murdere khomeyni had giving you.:(, i wish Iranian outside and inside would wakeup from 30 years FEAR of F up mentality that mullas had put in to their head and life. :)
Mohammed was is a great cult leader at that time. He raped young children and his wife is a 5 year old toddler. He was a mass murderer and many other terrible things about a book written. By crazy cult in that period he became an example. Just a psychopathic cult leader Toddler Rapist still adore by a set of fools. Everyone needs time to get somewhere but 700 years is still far to go. Yes Islam alive in 1339!!!
@adlerbr12 First, Pantheism is existence-made, and only the label is man-made. How do you know the supernatural does not exist? Do you know everything? Obviously not, as you fail to view this issue holistically. "God" is simply a man-made term used to ascribe inexplicable forces to an entity, but "God" defined in innumerable ways, so it is wrong to generalise. There are inexplicable elements of existence, which science will never be able to cogently explain, namely existential provenance.
@adlerbr12 Science also fails to refute the absence of an afterlife, actually promoting the notion when it purports that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Science and mathematics are man-made systems for solely human interpretation of the universe, but they exist nowhere else in nature, so they cannot be the answer to everything. Consider issues comprehensively before posting fallacious, puerile generalisations.
@adlerbr12 Magic is basically a mystery to the human logic, but its only called magic when instead of trying to solve it, one harnesses to patronize other people
show me what mohammed has brought that was new and i will show you only things that are evil and inhumane - byzantine emperor...how true those words are
This should be compulsory viewing for our too craven UK establishment.
They - the judges, lawyers, politicians, lords etc- think secularism should, for some unknown reason, make allowances the sensibilities of the religious. Witness Cheri Blair being lenient with the man who assaulted another because he was an active muslim. Or David Cameron's idiotic pledge to expand "Faith" schools with public tax money.
You know what makes them think that secularism should make such allowances for religion? Their heterosexuality. Point blank. Think like a pariah and you'll find some answers there, I'd suggest a bit of Queer Theory, for starters, to go with the Marx, et al.
I find it very interesting that muslim appollogists commenting on this page talk about the disgusting treatment of the palistinians and then in the same breath interchangably use the word muslim when in fact a sizable population of palistinian christians exist. This is a symptom of the double standard that some muslims opperate when it comes to human beings. I pity the poverty of compassion that exists amongst those who wear ignorance as a badge of honour.
Al-Qaeda declared war in 2001 on the U.S. Actually long before that in various attacks, and through (islamic) state endorsed chanting of "death to america".
@Stipoon Of course segments of the arab and persian world is hostile to the U.S. The U.S. set up a tyrant in the 50's in the Shah of Iran for western oil concerns. The same can be said in numerous other cases.
The U.S. government has overthrown representative governments and installed despots. In other cases they entrench monarchies that act in U.S. government and western company's interests.
You would have declared war on the U.S. government as well. A govt. is not a people or society.
Only cowards shoot unarmed people but then again that is what you sick fuckheads do all the time. Hide a bomb on the side of the road or blow up a vest. What a bunch of chicken shit cowards.
We are talking about your double standards. Muslims must tolerate criticism, but jews don't have to. When 3 Guantanamo prisoners were murdered, the U.S. called it: "an act of aggression against the guards." (!!)
And when 600 children are killed in Gaza by the Zio-fascists, that is called wonderful self-defense.
The West is allowed to attack the Middle East, but muslims are not allowed to respond
We are talking about you morons getting all bent out of shape when people state their opinions. You dumbasses need to realize no one cares about your rediculous backwards desert superstitions but you.
What, it's an "insult?" Here's another insult: GO FUCK YOURSELF. You gonna crash a plane into my house now, hero?
What's ironic here is that I'm anti-war, but not becasue I care about you backwards-ass sandy fucks. How about you dickheads join the 21st fucking century with the rest of us?
You are very naive, the west does not attack the middle east as you say, it defends the innocent in the east and protects the world against such evils of islam. We respect your religion where ever possible, it is only when your religion imposes upon are own freedoms when we have a right to defend ourselves. If Muslims were not content on world domination then there would be no problem, no muslims ,problem solved
By your completely insane reasoning there is hardly a nation/race/culture on the planet that could legitimatley claim to have been wronged! It's all "what goes around comes around!" Certainly myself, as a Brit, could have no option but to accept the most horrendous crimes against me as a returning of crimes commited by Britain in the past.
Fortunatley for me, your reasoning sucks, it is a disgusting hateful comment that does nothing more than display your own stupidity and prejudice.
@GrandmasterTigerfist You racialize genocide when clearly it is government-sponsored oppression of minorities. BTW, I would love to hear your outrage about the Hutus killing the Tutsis and having innocent Hutus pay the price for some of their member's transgressions.
Dude im a Turkic descendant and followers of ortodox Buddhism i condemn every genocide we are not arabs who praise victory and cry at defeats. The best example is when arabs speak about tamerlane a Turk who was challenged by an arab for war when the arab was defeated the wrabs started whining.
@covertbabo12 , Are U complaining about unequal standards re" reprehensible antisemitism" or is this just a tool when U in fact are against human rights? ARe U for human rights?
@l8rthen Your attempt by taking something noble and using it to shame someone into compliance does not work on grown-ups. You might as well call me a misogynist for pointing out the detrimental effects of feminism on society.
@JunnyICurosi , not sure what Ur talking about but if Ur coming out of the blue for something yr (s) ago, I'm not interested . Find meaning in Ur life without replying yr(s) later.
The West typically aggresses first. Look at the Denmark cartoon incident. They complain about the protests, but they initiated the matter by attacking the prophet
I think you have it backwards. The cartoons published in the Danish press were mostly inoffensive and were an example of western freedom of the press and an artist's right to free expression. Your so-called Prophet was a warmonger and child molester under the delusion that he had a hotline to the almighty. The artists involved committed no crime and were the victims of a mob mentality. Grow up, the world doesn't owe you respect for your beliefs.
The cartoons were offensive and they were designed to inflict hurt, and they came at a time when muslims were being slaughtered by the Christian Crusades in 2005.
You are not asking for your own rights, you are aggressive towards others.
Just like the Crusaders are presently occupying the Middle East, yet they behave like they are the ones under seige.
Denmark is not involved in any so-called "Crusade" anywhere. There is nothing "aggressive" about political cartoons. Religion is fair game. There are no "Christian Crusades" anymore, Denmark is a secular nation, not a Christian one. This is about free speech in a secular Democratic nation. Muslim immigrants to countries like Denmark find themselves bewildered by the secular characteristic of the host countries. Denmark and most other European countries have largely left religion behind.
Denmark has a big ass cross on its flag. Denmark withdrew from Iraq 1 year ago, and now you are spinning that as if they were never in bed with the U.S.
Anyway they are in Afghanistan now.
My guess is the mujahideen will take revenge against Denmark proper for the cartoons.
You morons need to learn that people making fun of your religion is no big deal. If you went out and killed every person who has something negative to say about your rediculous outdated backwards tribal superstitions, then you'll quickly find you won't have very many friends.
This is one of the reasons why it's so hard for westerners to accept you people. Do not threaten people for expressing their opinions, however misguided. Debate them yes, but do not threaten them
@Stipoon what do you mean by Islamic Nihilism? Because I always considered Nihilism to be a lack of belief in something, especially Existential Nihilism which suggests that life has no inherent purpose. Nihil is Latin for nothing, so Islamic Nihilism suggests to me the belief that Islam is meaningless, without purpose, <i>nothing</i>. Surely then it would be you who is an Islamic Nihilist rather than covertbabo12?
@TwoTube2 It is the complete devaluation of this world, this life, and other people, for their faith in the afterlife where they will be rewarded.
If, for example, you read the (pre-recorded) testmonies of suicide bombers you will see how willing they are to commit mass murder of innocent civilians for their faith, saying "we love death more than the infidels love life".
Of course, this is the most extreme in Islam, but still inflicts alot of death and misery in the mid-east and elsewhere.
"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: ‘We desire death like you desire life.’" - Fathi Hammad, Hamas MP, Feb. 29, 2008
"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are most vulnerable We are going to win because they love life and we love death" - Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, in 2004
"The Americans love Pepsi-Cola, we love death" - Mualana Inyadullah, speaking after 9/11
"The Muslim loves death and martyrdom, just as you [Jews] love life. The Muslim loves death [and seeks] Martyrdom" - Sheik Ikrima Sabri, Mufti of the PA, in a Friday sermon at the Al-Aqsa mosque
"There will be more, God willing. You love life and we love death" - Al-Qaeda spokesman Abu Dujan al-Afghani, addressing the butchering of over 200 commuters in Madrid
"Long Live Death" - Romanian fascist slogan, popular in the 1930s. Picked up by Spanish and other fascists
Miguel de Unamuno, Spain's foremost intellectual, was driven out of his own university (he was the head of the University of Salamanca) at gunpoint by fascists shouting "Long live Death." He died within a week. A little later, Spain collapsed into a civil war.
'We love death' is the Muslim version of fascist 'Long live death.' This is no coincidence. They took it from fascists.
This "We love death / Long live death" is fascism at its purest and ugliest. The ease with which not just Muslim Brotherhood but so many more Muslims have adopted slogan speaks volumes about Islam.
Here is a quote from Hassan al-Banna, the founder of Muslim Brotherhood:
"Germany and Hitler are gone, but Amin Al-Husseini will continue the struggle. He is but one man, but Mohammed was also one man, and so was Christ..."
Nihilist Islam has history of burning itself out, because as violence escalates they become enemies to everyone, muslims included. This happened in algeria and egypt already, before the Egyptian Islamists made their way to Afganistan - & met Osama.
The bigger threat is mainstream fundamentalism which uses intimidation, silencing tactics & propoganda, in order to maximise the construction of Islamic states. Embittered immigrants creativing civil unrest will be the immediate problem.
The Taliban are a cancer on the face of the planet and need to be removed. The US was attacked on 9-11 and Al Qaeda is a real threat. Iraq is not about Christianity VS Islam it's all about oil, stupid. In any case, if we don't neutralize the Taliban Afghanistan will continue to be used as a home ground for Terrorism.
Did you actually see the cartoons yourself? I found they were pretty harmless myself, but if you are looking really hard to find something to offend you, you can.
You are calling 450 Danish soldiers in Iraq a Christian Occupation force? What are you, a Mullah?
This doesnt really have anything to do with this, but I was wondering, do you live in a muslim theocracy? Or are you an armchair revolutionary being offended in a safe European home?
You weren't bitching when mohammod was in South Park a few year earlier.
Christian crusade my arse - where do you live, because Europe isn;t exacttly religious and im sure in the next breth you'll say it was for oil.
Funny how Sadi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, Pakistan the UAE are all solid allies too. Or that muslims are in european governments or that most Iraqs and afgans are glad with what happened if disapointed how it turned out.
I've been to Dubai, Kuwait, Lebanon, and Egypt and what always shocked me is how arabs (I know Rushdie is not an arab) and especially muslim arabs are completely obsessed with religion. As if that's the whole of your identity. Not just their religion, but your religion. I mentioned to a guy in Egypt I was from the US and he immediately went into how they respect christians in Egypt. I told him I was secular and he seemed perplexed, as if he thought all Americans were Christians.
The emiratis aren't so much sleazy as they are permissive of foreign sleezeballs, and with good reason: without oil to fuel their economy anymore, they need foreign investment and tourism. I was amazed and disgusted by what I saw there. Some of the most beautiful beaches and breathtaking architecture, but all built by exploited 3rd-world labor from Pakistan & India who live in slums. It's also replaced Thailand as the choice vacation sport for fat, 50-something, British pedophiles.
What a shame. Ah well, from the looks of things the city will go bankrupt shortly (if it hasn't already) and it will be back to south-east asia for the rich British pedophiles .
correct. Those who have a strong sense of cultural identity, ie, the 2nd and 3rd world, ie, those who are allowed to enjoy being a majority in their own lands, are perplexed at the notions that we westerners have shat upon our traditions, particularly our religion. to this they see weakness, and they fill the vacuum, when they migrate here. our response? we have none, b/c as we've pissed on our religion, we've pissed on our identity, hence have no sense of who we are to defend
I have an absolute sense of who I am and I think Americans have an absolute sense of who we are, as if to suggest such a thing is static, forever. We have not "shat upon our traditions", we've simply outgrown them. There is no virtue in tradition by itself. It's merely the act of repeating something because it's "always been done that way", which is the worst reason to do anything.
unfortunately, thats not true. i say unfortunately, b/c i wish waht you said was correct, and that traditions could be dismissable as cultural artifacts which should "grown out of." no otther people or race, have ever had this sense of "obligation toward self annialation," only the west. youre the case and point. youve been duped into believing that our own demise is some kind of "cultural advancement," tho in survuvali terms, it;s complete chaos and ruin. the west is dying bc of your thinking
@danielsimonon I'll make a distinction b/w culture and tradition. The corporations have commercialized American culture, and the arts that once had standards have been replaced by vacuous and short-lived sensational music. Mainstream American pop culture, the defining culture of the land, is and has been dead for a long time.
Religion is for the people not brave enough to face an existence that ends.
Religion is for people not brave enough to think for themselves.
Religion is the last barrier to world unity - it doesn't contribute to inclusiveness, it excludes everyone that doesn't agree with it.
Faith is a celebration of ignorance.
"Multiculturalism" is just a politically correct word for "global acceptance of failed cultures." How are we supposed to grow as a species when we don't let the defective die out?
@Mattyb88ful there is: Pakistan, afghanistan, saudi arabia.
or, they blow themselves up, go to heaven, and all the virgins turn out to be geeks and nerds playing computer games (look at family guy for the reference :D )
sounds like all religions, it seems to me that god ,allah or yahway whatever you want to call him is made in mans image. because they all seem to be jealous evil closeminded and violent assholes. hell if i had to choose a god i pick thor or crom
Its a social idea thats spiraled out of control due to spineless and/or corrupt politicians who will do anything to appease pc/minority/click audiance
If all cultures are equal, then there is no right and wrong. If there is no right or wrong, there is no good or evil. Without any distinction, there is no reason to have self-restraint. Without self-restraint, a society crumbles.
tigerhop 13 hours ago
warning - Islamic flamers below, quoting the Kooran (sic) and not being very peaceful at all. Get your house in order Muslim peoples, its people like this who let down your religion.
richardellipsis 2 months ago
cant wait to see his head on a stake ameen.
shanawazali 2 months ago
@shanawazali you just validated his whole argument.
runswithscissorsalot 2 months ago
@runswithscissorsalot if he swore at my mother or sister, that doesnt deserve death, however whoever writes false information attacking the truth(islam)is a lowlife dog that needs to be put down. His book is an attack on all muslims 1.6bliion people around the world , does he think we are going to greet him with hugs and kisses.
shanawazali 2 months ago
@shanawazali You continue to validate his argument. I suggest you stop now.
runswithscissorsalot 1 month ago
@runswithscissorsalot you continue to miss the point, when u attack the most influential figure in human history(Muhammed peace be upon him), without any facts you are making 1.6billion people very very upset. This dog needs to face the consequences of his actions. He's an indian he could have easily spoke to a muslim and gained some knowledge before writing a book of lies saying the quran is from the devil.
shanawazali 1 month ago
@runswithscissorsalot his argument is relativism, which is preposterous if you believe in a god who created us, therefore you believe god is stupid as there is no structured truth just perception in regards to culture. However islam is not a culture, there is no supreme race or social norms will follow, islam came to break all races and follow the devine law of god, we believe is absolutism and this is logical if there is one god.He is a confused dog and will die confused,islam is the only truth
shanawazali 1 month ago
He hits the right string. God is always personal! So why should there be someone dictating terms on how to worship him as long as you are within socially acceptable behavior?
Line said at the end of 'Angels & Demons' movies simplifies a lot for me
'Religion is flawed because man is flawed'
chan625 5 months ago
Wow he is a real Liberal thinker. However today's left is consumed mostly by champagne socialists, multicultural appeasers with no backbone nor hinderance of real intellectual caliber.
LibertarianUK 6 months ago
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Rushdie will meet his fate.
VeryHugeAss 6 months ago
This arrogant bitch REALLY wants to be pro multicult, but it's good to see Salmon Rushdie speaking, to some degree, against this. The key problem being though, that theyare both pontificating about the "multiculturalism" being inflicted upon OUR society and civilisation!
SKOTP69 8 months ago
Practicing Islam should be called Islamism and practacing muslims should be called Islamists and should be extended the the social pariahty that is given to all ather harmful factions of society, binned with the fascists and racists and communists and any other of the "Isms" who think they are better than anyone else
PaulypowerUK 9 months ago
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The radical jews who push for this destruction of your races through multiculturism are maintaining their own race with laws that forbid interracial marriage, and they have full segregation from other races in Israel. What they are doing is genocide of the white race.
Sh0klar 9 months ago
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shakenation 9 months ago
@xantimus I am not so sure that muslims in the United States will demand Sharia if only because many of them are refugees from countries like Iran. They left their birthplace because they could no longer consider it a home due to theocracy. Somali and Pakistani immigrants are a bit different in that regard, and some do seem to want sharia to be the law of the land. In my opinion it is Christians attempting to legislate personal behavior that is the problem in the U.S.
shakenation 9 months ago
I don't think that our failure (if one chooses to see it that way) to place primacy on the dissident voices within Islamic culture instead of the conservative ones is an intellectual failure, but a moral and perhaps political one. During the Cold War, we supported the dissidents because it suited our foreign policy goals (opposing the USSR), and for the same reasons, we have our ears turned in the mullahs direction today.
Aaronthegreatest 10 months ago
@thatamazinggeek ,
True words,
These "western" muslims are ideologists , just like our left-winged goverment (here in Holland). This fairytale called "Islamic integration" is an illusion, it will NEVER happen. The differences with western cultures are simply to big. The result here in Holland is that they created a sub-culture within my country. The Islam ideology is not about coexesting , but to conquer and replace.
xantimus 10 months ago
@xantimus eh, I think the Islamic community just wants to be left alone. In the US, we have about half a million Muslims in Detroit, and thousands spread out across the rest of the country; they have been here for decades and haven't tried to conquer anything. Maybe integration won't work, but why not just let them be a sub-culture? What is the harm in it?
Aaronthegreatest 10 months ago
@Aaronthegreatest ,
How delicouis IGNORANT you are. It's not here, so there IS no problem. You just wait and see what happens when the population of muslims in the US reaches 5% or more. When they start to try and get Sharia in the U.S, influence (infiltrate) your politics, reply to any insult with threats/agression, radicalisation, some politician with an anti-Islamic state of mind ,or different ideas they have, gets killed. You know ,go and find out what INFIDEL means according to the Quran..
xantimus 9 months ago
@xantimus You're putting words in my mouth--I never said, or implied, that there wasn't a 'problem'; I just think that every nation/society has to deal with domestic issues on their own. If the Muslim population in America ever reaches 5% (an unlikely scenario), nothing will change--they adapt quite well in America, because there is no pressure on them to integrate culturally. The rumors about Muslims trying to force Sharia on us are absolute rubbish; no one has made any such initiative.
Aaronthegreatest 9 months ago
@Aaronthegreatest ,
Like the oil-spill in the gulf of Mexico last year. It's not so bad as everybody told , it's just a little bit of oil !! Why all the commotion..We had oil-spills here , nothing needs to be done , nature will take care of it by herself.
xantimus 9 months ago
@xantimus That's not really a good parallel, I don't think. Oil-spills have effects that are demonstrably negative; having a large Muslim population in your country doesn't.
I understand your discomfort with the Muslim community in principle--the Islamic ideology, from what little I know of it, does seem to be a bit unsettling because it does encourage or excuse violence and sedition in some cases. However, this is really no different than any other religion, including Christianity.
Aaronthegreatest 9 months ago
Sir Salman Rushdie is a genuine intellectual HERO...!!
53yoRAPESa9yo 1 year ago
All religions are stupid and unnecessary. I support using force to stand up to anyone religion that has inordinate power over any other group of individuals in a localized area.
So, as much as I hate violence by religion X, I also will not tolerate those who make blanket statements against the use of all violence and force.
mphello 1 year ago
The interviewer is horrible!
hemrajsingh 1 year ago
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why do everyone care so much about Rushdie's opinion? He's not that smart!
Zahariat 1 year ago
salman rushdie Anda que te coja un burro
huntgraham 1 year ago
@huntgraham que te coja la virgen a ti wuey
devildirtstraker666 1 year ago
@huntgraham que te coja la virgen a ti wuey no sabes quien es el idiota hijo de puta que dios bendiga su mendiga gentecomo tu
devildirtstraker666 1 year ago
cultural pluralism should be respected but it must be rooted in a genuine sense of freedom. that is, a respect for individual rights.
fede2 1 year ago
he is talking about values and criticizing relativism but then he rejects the values of his own people and mock them ! he is just a big mouth that is all
screentom 1 year ago
Can someone tell me the name of the bright, thoughtful young woman who is interviewing Mr. Rushdie? And what is the title of her book?
DCG110 1 year ago
@DCG110 That's Eugene Levy from American Pie.
richfisherman 1 year ago
@DCG110 richfisherman is wrong. That woman is Irshad Manji, a unorthodox liberal-minded Muslim shunned by the mainstream Muslim community for her 'heretical' ideas.
JunnyICurosi 11 months ago
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
Islam, christianity and judaism are all batshit, get over it.
yatter1 1 year ago
@yatter1
Say whatever you want about religions, inasmuch as they are simply systems of thought- but regardless of what you think of people's beliefs, people themselves deserve respect, and "multiculturalism", in spite of all the convoluted abstractions it has given rise to, is first and foremost a counterweight against intolerance
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@yatter1
Islam, Christianity and Judaism, in spite of their real or perceived faults, have contributed far too much to human civilization to be categorically rejected. Religions, just like secular philosophies and political ideologies, can easily be perverted by fanatics, but this doesn't mean their positive aspects and potential can be completely overlooked.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
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@yatter1
Islam, Christianity and Judaism, in spite of their real or perceived faults, have contributed far too much to human civilization to be categorically rejected. Religions, just like secular philosophies and political ideologies, can easily be perverted by fanatics, but this doesn't mean their positive aspects and potential can be completely overlooked.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@yatter1
Islam, Christianity and Judaism, in spite of their real or perceived faults, have contributed far too much to human civilization to be categorically rejected.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@yatter1
Religions, just like secular philosophies and political ideologies, can easily be perverted by fanatics, but this doesn't mean their positive aspects and potential can be completely overlooked.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@TheTollundWoman Islam was positive for a century or two as violently bringing order to a part of the world where utter barbarism reigned during the dark ages after the collapse of the Roman Empire. It´s violent roots, however, soon came back to haunt it and kill off forever (FROM WITHIN) the burgeoning enlightenment emerging from civil society in such centres of learning as Baghdad and Adalusia - thus proving that the basic teaching itself is inimical to human development and intelligence.
mossfitz 1 year ago 7
@mossfitz What they don't tell you is that Muslim Scholars during the Islamic Intellectual Age found a way to continue their Passion towards Mathematics not because of Islamic Rule but In spite of it. Mathematics was banned by the Islamic Caliphate because Mathematics would mean numbers and numbers are always evil... and of the Devil (Shaitan).
These Intellectual Muslims were put to death by Emperors for trying to uncover the Mysteries & for revealing the works of God - Allah.
forgottenmemories63 1 year ago
@yatter1
Even if religion is as bad as you say, calling it "batshit" isn't going to accomplish anything, unless your goal is just to alienate as many people as possible.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@TheTollundWoman I have no particular wish to offend anyone, on the other hand, if I do offend someone´s religious sensibilities, I couldn´t care less. Your defense of the indefensible is..........a waste of everyone´s time. I will not show respect for a death cult that would love to see me and mine in a box. That you think I ought to is ridiculous.
yatter1 1 year ago
There are plenty of indications within Islam that indicate Muahmmad's fallability. There are Hadiths which threaten Muhammad himself with hellfire.
habbadou 1 year ago
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Bukhari 82, 815 and 82, 821
The Prophet said, "I will judge you according to the Laws of Allah. Your 100 sheep and the slave are to be returned to you, and your son has to receive 100 lashes and be exiled for 1 year. O Unais! Go to the wife of this man, and if she confesses, then stone her to death." Unais went to her and she confessed. He then stoned her to death.
nofacistsworld 1 year ago
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koran[4.15] And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.
[24.6] And those who accuse their wives and have no witnesses except themselves, the evidence of one of these (should be taken) four times, bearing Allah to witness that he is most surely of the truthful ones.
Schism89 1 year ago
These verses demand the killings of women.
It's all in their holy book.
Wake up people!
Bukhari 82, 815 and 82, 821
"My son was a laborer working for this man and he committed an illegal sexual intercourse with his wife, and I gave 100 sheep and a slave as a ransom for his sin. Then I asked a learned man about this case and he informed me that my son should receive 100 lashes and be exiled for 1 year, and the man's wife should be stoned to death."
Schism89 1 year ago
@Schism89 'demand the killings of women' is misleading as it indicates only women should be stoned for adultery, not men. The truth is that Islam commands that both adultering men and women be stoned.
In the Western society, women are given softer punishments that men in the courts. In the Islamic world, more men that women are stoned, but the eager Western media is always ready to exaggerate cases of women committing crimes and presenting them as martyrs.
JunnyICurosi 11 months ago
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The Prophet said, "I will judge you according to the Laws of Allah. Your 100 sheep and the slave are to be returned to you, and your son has to receive 100 lashes and be exiled for 1 year. O Unais! Go to the wife of this man, and if she confesses, then stone her to death." Unais went to her and she confessed. He then stoned her to death.
Man 100 lashes, woman death, Thats islamic justice :-)
Schism89 1 year ago
Multiculturalism must not be confused with moral relativism. The basis of multiculturalism is tolerance and respect for human beings, irrespective of their culture. Without morality there is no reason to respect or even tolerate anyone.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
@TheTollundWoman I cannot conceive that anyone could be as wrong as you, you will find this out in due course I´m sure. The two are inseparable.
yatter1 1 year ago
@yatter1
Care to explain?
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
Multiculturalism, the healthy coexistence of cultures, is *irreconcilable* with the tenets of Islamic *fundamentalism*. Fundamentalists refuse to tolerate any culture or idea which doesn't correspond to their own worldview. Multiculturalism is impossible in a theocratic dictatorship, and possible only in an open, democratic society. The real enemies of multiculturalism are the Taliban, Hamas and Al Qaeda.
TheTollundWoman 1 year ago
Multiculturalism is cultural entropy (literally mathematically speaking): /watch?v=MDwi2BJgpRI
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
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"There is no reality but scientific reality and Salman Rushdie is it's messenger."
deah99 2 years ago
irshad, why do you keep make excuses??????
serappia 2 years ago
Do I hate Islam? I totally and unequivocally condemn ALL religions that perpetrate genocide by systemically exterminating those who leave said religion. I reject ALL religions that divide humanity into "clean" and "unclean". I reject equally ALL religions who seek to impose death on those who reject the God in question, whichever God that may be. ALL religions that murder apostates are, in my opinion, equally as despicable, hateful and inhuman. If the cap fits...
deah99 2 years ago 47
@deah99 which religions are left ?
cashox3 5 months ago
@cashox3 Are you seriously trying to say that ALL religions perpetrate genocide by systemically exterminating those who leave said religion, divide humanity into "clean" and "unclean", impose death on those who reject the God in question and murder apostates? If you want to know “which religions are left”, maybe you shouldn’t have skipped school so often. It’s up to you to find out. Ask a friend? Google it? Go to school? Try. You’ll feel much better about yourself when you get an education.
deah99 5 months ago
@deah99 amazing how you got all of that from 1 simple question - do you even know where i am coming from ? impressive how it blew your top, i was actually just asking a simple question - also apart from that, i didnt study religion or theology at university, i wouldnt waste my time with that, though the questions of atheism and religion interest me (as a hobby). anyway, it seems something about the 4 words i printed was already stuck in your throat before i ever typed them.
cashox3 5 months ago
a) i wasnt alluding to genocide - i didnt read all your posts, just this one - b) dont tell me i should read all your posts before making a comments, because i bet you don't either, and don't say u do just to prove something. we all have other things to do than read every comment made in youtube. c) i wasn't talking about specific religions, if anything one that doesnt seem to lead to human suffering in any particular way is buddhism, so there you go, there is 1 at least. 4) i have an education.
cashox3 5 months ago
anyway your obiously upset, so go cry somewhere else as your retorque was inapropriate ... end of line.
cashox3 5 months ago
had you even enquired a bit, you'd know that i actually agree with your initial post. lol, shortsightedness led you to folly....
cashox3 5 months ago
and finally, just in passing, why wouldn't you be able to enlighten someone who asks a humble question. apparently you are on here 'teaching' people what you think is correct; because you cannot be so narrow minded as to think that what you may say will not be taken as information by others who know no better - so, why wouldn't you see my intivation to share your knowledge, and instead take a dump on me for not knowing as much as you in this domain - seriously up your own ass.... thats all.
cashox3 5 months ago
@cashox3 Then the answer to "which religions are left" would have to be "all those that don't perpetrate genocide by systemically exterminating those who leave said religion, those that don't divide humanity into "clean" and "unclean", those that don't impose death on those who reject the God in question and those that don't murder apostates". So you really needed a list? I'm not concerned with those religions that don't do those things, only the ones that do. Was Googling the anwser so hard?
deah99 5 months ago
@deah99 .. nevermind, i see we we not meant to communicate as individuals for more than 2 minutes, and googling the answer wouldn't have worked, what with all the rubbish on the web etc also i do like to converse with people and arrive at conclusions through the method of conversation. but all in all, i guess this exchange was totally fruitless. nice talking with you
cashox3 5 months ago
@cashox3 What can I say, more than that my genuine and heart-felt encouragement for your continued education and the potential for the utilization of the vast possibilities for modern-day research via various channels was only generated by your sincere and unpretentious enquiry as to the relative nature of various religions.
deah99 5 months ago
@deah99 when you got a point, seems like you tend to hammer it home. Other people are also a source of education, maybe you should consider that in YOUR educational endeavour. but thanks for your encouragement. hopefully it was genuine even though somewhat glazed in a thin layer of sarcasm perhaps :P
cashox3 5 months ago
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i love this guy, and i will shake your hand and i will bow you. THANK YOU Mr. Roshdi with all do respect to you and your family. and i am sorry for the fatwa from and ididt anf murdere khomeyni had giving you.:(, i wish Iranian outside and inside would wakeup from 30 years FEAR of F up mentality that mullas had put in to their head and life. :)
Azadie2 2 years ago
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Azadie2 2 years ago
Mohammed was is a great cult leader at that time. He raped young children and his wife is a 5 year old toddler. He was a mass murderer and many other terrible things about a book written. By crazy cult in that period he became an example. Just a psychopathic cult leader Toddler Rapist still adore by a set of fools. Everyone needs time to get somewhere but 700 years is still far to go. Yes Islam alive in 1339!!!
DutchNationality 2 years ago 3
All religious doctrine is man made fables, the supernatural i.e(magic) does not exist , when you grow up.
adlerbr12 2 years ago 53
@adlerbr12 First, Pantheism is existence-made, and only the label is man-made. How do you know the supernatural does not exist? Do you know everything? Obviously not, as you fail to view this issue holistically. "God" is simply a man-made term used to ascribe inexplicable forces to an entity, but "God" defined in innumerable ways, so it is wrong to generalise. There are inexplicable elements of existence, which science will never be able to cogently explain, namely existential provenance.
drubermensch 1 year ago
@adlerbr12 Science also fails to refute the absence of an afterlife, actually promoting the notion when it purports that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Science and mathematics are man-made systems for solely human interpretation of the universe, but they exist nowhere else in nature, so they cannot be the answer to everything. Consider issues comprehensively before posting fallacious, puerile generalisations.
drubermensch 1 year ago
@adlerbr12 Magic is basically a mystery to the human logic, but its only called magic when instead of trying to solve it, one harnesses to patronize other people
chan625 5 months ago
Salman is a goldmine of logic and understanding in a Britain that is otherwise nothing but sand and stone.
deah99 2 years ago 7
@deah99 Doesn't he live in New York?
Aaronthegreatest 10 months ago
show me what mohammed has brought that was new and i will show you only things that are evil and inhumane - byzantine emperor...how true those words are
chrisrajive 2 years ago 5
This should be compulsory viewing for our too craven UK establishment.
They - the judges, lawyers, politicians, lords etc- think secularism should, for some unknown reason, make allowances the sensibilities of the religious. Witness Cheri Blair being lenient with the man who assaulted another because he was an active muslim. Or David Cameron's idiotic pledge to expand "Faith" schools with public tax money.
Disgusting relativism!!!!
mmartini50 2 years ago 4
You know what makes them think that secularism should make such allowances for religion? Their heterosexuality. Point blank. Think like a pariah and you'll find some answers there, I'd suggest a bit of Queer Theory, for starters, to go with the Marx, et al.
kern0099 2 years ago
I find it very interesting that muslim appollogists commenting on this page talk about the disgusting treatment of the palistinians and then in the same breath interchangably use the word muslim when in fact a sizable population of palistinian christians exist. This is a symptom of the double standard that some muslims opperate when it comes to human beings. I pity the poverty of compassion that exists amongst those who wear ignorance as a badge of honour.
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago
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The U.S. declared war in 2001, and then cried foul when the mujahid hero Nidhal Maalik Hassan gunned down 13 of their soldiers.
What is it now, your soldiers are not a legit target in a war?
covertbabo12 2 years ago
Al-Qaeda declared war in 2001 on the U.S. Actually long before that in various attacks, and through (islamic) state endorsed chanting of "death to america".
Take your islamic nihilism elsewhere.
Stipoon 2 years ago 36
@Stipoon Of course segments of the arab and persian world is hostile to the U.S. The U.S. set up a tyrant in the 50's in the Shah of Iran for western oil concerns. The same can be said in numerous other cases.
The U.S. government has overthrown representative governments and installed despots. In other cases they entrench monarchies that act in U.S. government and western company's interests.
You would have declared war on the U.S. government as well. A govt. is not a people or society.
joepeeler34 5 months ago
@covertbabo12 You are one very sick fuckhead.
Only cowards shoot unarmed people but then again that is what you sick fuckheads do all the time. Hide a bomb on the side of the road or blow up a vest. What a bunch of chicken shit cowards.
justanoldman1 1 year ago
We are talking about your double standards. Muslims must tolerate criticism, but jews don't have to. When 3 Guantanamo prisoners were murdered, the U.S. called it: "an act of aggression against the guards." (!!)
And when 600 children are killed in Gaza by the Zio-fascists, that is called wonderful self-defense.
The West is allowed to attack the Middle East, but muslims are not allowed to respond
covertbabo12 2 years ago
We are talking about you morons getting all bent out of shape when people state their opinions. You dumbasses need to realize no one cares about your rediculous backwards desert superstitions but you.
What, it's an "insult?" Here's another insult: GO FUCK YOURSELF. You gonna crash a plane into my house now, hero?
What's ironic here is that I'm anti-war, but not becasue I care about you backwards-ass sandy fucks. How about you dickheads join the 21st fucking century with the rest of us?
hawanja 2 years ago 5
You are very naive, the west does not attack the middle east as you say, it defends the innocent in the east and protects the world against such evils of islam. We respect your religion where ever possible, it is only when your religion imposes upon are own freedoms when we have a right to defend ourselves. If Muslims were not content on world domination then there would be no problem, no muslims ,problem solved
inwoodadam 2 years ago 4
Arabs : what goes around comes around
You killed kurds and got the same treatment take it as a punishment by God himself..
GrandmasterTigerfist 2 years ago
By your completely insane reasoning there is hardly a nation/race/culture on the planet that could legitimatley claim to have been wronged! It's all "what goes around comes around!" Certainly myself, as a Brit, could have no option but to accept the most horrendous crimes against me as a returning of crimes commited by Britain in the past.
Fortunatley for me, your reasoning sucks, it is a disgusting hateful comment that does nothing more than display your own stupidity and prejudice.
23discordians 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with "Arabs," you also have the Kurdish group Ansar al-islam fighting against the Cross-worshippers in Iraq.
Meanwhile some Ay-rabs like Walid Shoebat side with the Cross
covertbabo12 2 years ago
Arabs gassed and murdered several kurds if something happened to themm in the same way then why are you crying?
GrandmasterTigerfist 2 years ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist You racialize genocide when clearly it is government-sponsored oppression of minorities. BTW, I would love to hear your outrage about the Hutus killing the Tutsis and having innocent Hutus pay the price for some of their member's transgressions.
Faulty logic.
JunnyICurosi 11 months ago
@JunnyICurosi
Dude im a Turkic descendant and followers of ortodox Buddhism i condemn every genocide we are not arabs who praise victory and cry at defeats. The best example is when arabs speak about tamerlane a Turk who was challenged by an arab for war when the arab was defeated the wrabs started whining.
GrandmasterTigerfist 11 months ago
If you attacked the yids in a similar manner,
prime minister of Denmark would *not* come out saying that was wonderful protected speech, and a value to be upheld
covertbabo12 2 years ago
Coverrtbabo12 What the ? It is a right to satireze religion any religion and to even to critize if one likes long live freedom of speech.
Eopyk 2 years ago
Except if the free speech is about the Holohoax, in which case "wonderful satire" suddenly turns into "reprehensible antisemitism."
covertbabo12 2 years ago
@covertbabo12 , Are U complaining about unequal standards re" reprehensible antisemitism" or is this just a tool when U in fact are against human rights? ARe U for human rights?
l8rthen 2 years ago
@l8rthen Your attempt by taking something noble and using it to shame someone into compliance does not work on grown-ups. You might as well call me a misogynist for pointing out the detrimental effects of feminism on society.
JunnyICurosi 11 months ago
@JunnyICurosi , not sure what Ur talking about but if Ur coming out of the blue for something yr (s) ago, I'm not interested . Find meaning in Ur life without replying yr(s) later.
l8rthen 11 months ago
We have full solid proof for the Holucast.. tsk tsk tsk Islamists...
Eopyk 2 years ago
The West typically aggresses first. Look at the Denmark cartoon incident. They complain about the protests, but they initiated the matter by attacking the prophet
covertbabo12 2 years ago
LMAO I love the dialectical prestidigitation that equates words and cartoon images to physical violence.
Aggressors? LMAO you are a joke
BipedalHumanoid 2 years ago
Iraq is good example of Crusader aggression
covertbabo12 2 years ago
I think you have it backwards. The cartoons published in the Danish press were mostly inoffensive and were an example of western freedom of the press and an artist's right to free expression. Your so-called Prophet was a warmonger and child molester under the delusion that he had a hotline to the almighty. The artists involved committed no crime and were the victims of a mob mentality. Grow up, the world doesn't owe you respect for your beliefs.
thcia 2 years ago 2
The cartoons were offensive and they were designed to inflict hurt, and they came at a time when muslims were being slaughtered by the Christian Crusades in 2005.
You are not asking for your own rights, you are aggressive towards others.
Just like the Crusaders are presently occupying the Middle East, yet they behave like they are the ones under seige.
covertbabo12 2 years ago
Denmark is not involved in any so-called "Crusade" anywhere. There is nothing "aggressive" about political cartoons. Religion is fair game. There are no "Christian Crusades" anymore, Denmark is a secular nation, not a Christian one. This is about free speech in a secular Democratic nation. Muslim immigrants to countries like Denmark find themselves bewildered by the secular characteristic of the host countries. Denmark and most other European countries have largely left religion behind.
thcia 2 years ago 2
Denmark has a big ass cross on its flag. Denmark withdrew from Iraq 1 year ago, and now you are spinning that as if they were never in bed with the U.S.
Anyway they are in Afghanistan now.
My guess is the mujahideen will take revenge against Denmark proper for the cartoons.
covertbabo12 2 years ago
You morons need to learn that people making fun of your religion is no big deal. If you went out and killed every person who has something negative to say about your rediculous outdated backwards tribal superstitions, then you'll quickly find you won't have very many friends.
This is one of the reasons why it's so hard for westerners to accept you people. Do not threaten people for expressing their opinions, however misguided. Debate them yes, but do not threaten them
hawanja 2 years ago
Does this apply to the jews also? Lighten up and openly discuss the Holocaust in fun ways
covertbabo12 2 years ago
Were we talking about Jews? No, we weren't. Quit trying to change the subject.
You people need to understand that Freedom of speech trumps your cultural sensitivities.
hawanja 2 years ago 10
Absolutely! But this guy, like most islamists (not muslims in general), suffers from antisemitism and nihilism.
Stipoon 2 years ago 3
@Stipoon what do you mean by Islamic Nihilism? Because I always considered Nihilism to be a lack of belief in something, especially Existential Nihilism which suggests that life has no inherent purpose. Nihil is Latin for nothing, so Islamic Nihilism suggests to me the belief that Islam is meaningless, without purpose, <i>nothing</i>. Surely then it would be you who is an Islamic Nihilist rather than covertbabo12?
TwoTube2 1 year ago
@TwoTube2 It is the complete devaluation of this world, this life, and other people, for their faith in the afterlife where they will be rewarded.
If, for example, you read the (pre-recorded) testmonies of suicide bombers you will see how willing they are to commit mass murder of innocent civilians for their faith, saying "we love death more than the infidels love life".
Of course, this is the most extreme in Islam, but still inflicts alot of death and misery in the mid-east and elsewhere.
Stipoon 1 year ago 2
@Stipoon, actually, this 'we love death" business has been borrowed by Muslim Brotherhood back in 1920s straight from European fascists.
Compare:
"We love death more than you love life. Allahu akbar."
Adis Medunjanin. Plotter of 9/11 attack.
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: ‘We desire death like you desire life.’" - Fathi Hammad, Hamas MP, Feb. 29, 2008
Kurtlane 1 year ago
"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are most vulnerable We are going to win because they love life and we love death" - Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, in 2004
"The Americans love Pepsi-Cola, we love death" - Mualana Inyadullah, speaking after 9/11
"The Muslim loves death and martyrdom, just as you [Jews] love life. The Muslim loves death [and seeks] Martyrdom" - Sheik Ikrima Sabri, Mufti of the PA, in a Friday sermon at the Al-Aqsa mosque
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
"There will be more, God willing. You love life and we love death" - Al-Qaeda spokesman Abu Dujan al-Afghani, addressing the butchering of over 200 commuters in Madrid
"Long Live Death" - Romanian fascist slogan, popular in the 1930s. Picked up by Spanish and other fascists
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
Miguel de Unamuno, Spain's foremost intellectual, was driven out of his own university (he was the head of the University of Salamanca) at gunpoint by fascists shouting "Long live Death." He died within a week. A little later, Spain collapsed into a civil war.
'We love death' is the Muslim version of fascist 'Long live death.' This is no coincidence. They took it from fascists.
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
This "We love death / Long live death" is fascism at its purest and ugliest. The ease with which not just Muslim Brotherhood but so many more Muslims have adopted slogan speaks volumes about Islam.
Here is a quote from Hassan al-Banna, the founder of Muslim Brotherhood:
"Germany and Hitler are gone, but Amin Al-Husseini will continue the struggle. He is but one man, but Mohammed was also one man, and so was Christ..."
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
Equating Christ to Hitler and Hajj Amin Al-Husseini... that speaks for itself.
Kurtlane 1 year ago
@Stipoon
Nihilist Islam has history of burning itself out, because as violence escalates they become enemies to everyone, muslims included. This happened in algeria and egypt already, before the Egyptian Islamists made their way to Afganistan - & met Osama.
The bigger threat is mainstream fundamentalism which uses intimidation, silencing tactics & propoganda, in order to maximise the construction of Islamic states. Embittered immigrants creativing civil unrest will be the immediate problem.
thisismymoniker 1 year ago 4
The Taliban are a cancer on the face of the planet and need to be removed. The US was attacked on 9-11 and Al Qaeda is a real threat. Iraq is not about Christianity VS Islam it's all about oil, stupid. In any case, if we don't neutralize the Taliban Afghanistan will continue to be used as a home ground for Terrorism.
thcia 2 years ago
The Taliban are heroes, and I chuckle every time a Cross-worshipping degenerate is rightfully killed over there.
covertbabo12 2 years ago
@covertbabo12 the taliban are daisy-cutter fodder.
BillKiernan 2 years ago
sorry, covertbabo12, but that is nonsense.
Did you actually see the cartoons yourself? I found they were pretty harmless myself, but if you are looking really hard to find something to offend you, you can.
You are calling 450 Danish soldiers in Iraq a Christian Occupation force? What are you, a Mullah?
This doesnt really have anything to do with this, but I was wondering, do you live in a muslim theocracy? Or are you an armchair revolutionary being offended in a safe European home?
dankuehne 2 years ago 2
You weren't bitching when mohammod was in South Park a few year earlier.
Christian crusade my arse - where do you live, because Europe isn;t exacttly religious and im sure in the next breth you'll say it was for oil.
Funny how Sadi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, Pakistan the UAE are all solid allies too. Or that muslims are in european governments or that most Iraqs and afgans are glad with what happened if disapointed how it turned out.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Yes, the U.S. supports the police state in Egypt and they pay Zardari to kill off his own population in Pakistan.
covertbabo12 2 years ago
U.S. supports police state in Egypt"
Perhaps there is some concern about a failed state? A failed state is much more of a threat than it would have been a few decades ago.
l8rthen 2 years ago
There are crackpots in all religions. It attracts them like magnets.
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cigpapers 2 years ago
Malleus:
Our identity does not and is not reliant on our religion. Even if it is, we got rid of it for a reason, and don't need or want it brought back.
MrSomewhere 2 years ago
Mohummis was a pedophile.
MrJohnnyrace 2 years ago 2
I've been to Dubai, Kuwait, Lebanon, and Egypt and what always shocked me is how arabs (I know Rushdie is not an arab) and especially muslim arabs are completely obsessed with religion. As if that's the whole of your identity. Not just their religion, but your religion. I mentioned to a guy in Egypt I was from the US and he immediately went into how they respect christians in Egypt. I told him I was secular and he seemed perplexed, as if he thought all Americans were Christians.
danielsimonon 2 years ago 8
Ohh, I'm so jealous. I've only been to Dubai. They seemed a little more moderate though (a lot more sleezy although).
liberationn15 2 years ago
The emiratis aren't so much sleazy as they are permissive of foreign sleezeballs, and with good reason: without oil to fuel their economy anymore, they need foreign investment and tourism. I was amazed and disgusted by what I saw there. Some of the most beautiful beaches and breathtaking architecture, but all built by exploited 3rd-world labor from Pakistan & India who live in slums. It's also replaced Thailand as the choice vacation sport for fat, 50-something, British pedophiles.
danielsimonon 2 years ago
What a shame. Ah well, from the looks of things the city will go bankrupt shortly (if it hasn't already) and it will be back to south-east asia for the rich British pedophiles .
liberationn15 2 years ago
correct. Those who have a strong sense of cultural identity, ie, the 2nd and 3rd world, ie, those who are allowed to enjoy being a majority in their own lands, are perplexed at the notions that we westerners have shat upon our traditions, particularly our religion. to this they see weakness, and they fill the vacuum, when they migrate here. our response? we have none, b/c as we've pissed on our religion, we've pissed on our identity, hence have no sense of who we are to defend
MalleusMaleficarum01 2 years ago
I have an absolute sense of who I am and I think Americans have an absolute sense of who we are, as if to suggest such a thing is static, forever. We have not "shat upon our traditions", we've simply outgrown them. There is no virtue in tradition by itself. It's merely the act of repeating something because it's "always been done that way", which is the worst reason to do anything.
danielsimonon 2 years ago
unfortunately, thats not true. i say unfortunately, b/c i wish waht you said was correct, and that traditions could be dismissable as cultural artifacts which should "grown out of." no otther people or race, have ever had this sense of "obligation toward self annialation," only the west. youre the case and point. youve been duped into believing that our own demise is some kind of "cultural advancement," tho in survuvali terms, it;s complete chaos and ruin. the west is dying bc of your thinking
MalleusMaleficarum01 2 years ago
@danielsimonon I'll make a distinction b/w culture and tradition. The corporations have commercialized American culture, and the arts that once had standards have been replaced by vacuous and short-lived sensational music. Mainstream American pop culture, the defining culture of the land, is and has been dead for a long time.
JunnyICurosi 11 months ago
Religion is for the people not brave enough to face an existence that ends.
Religion is for people not brave enough to think for themselves.
Religion is the last barrier to world unity - it doesn't contribute to inclusiveness, it excludes everyone that doesn't agree with it.
Faith is a celebration of ignorance.
"Multiculturalism" is just a politically correct word for "global acceptance of failed cultures." How are we supposed to grow as a species when we don't let the defective die out?
Resvrgam 2 years ago 20
Resvgram I agree completely.
mindovermatter1979 2 years ago
"Multiculturalism" is just a politically correct word for "global acceptance of failed cultures."
Awesome quote!
amjan 2 years ago 4
No, it's code for "we hate darkies"
covertbabo12 2 years ago
this is a brilliant clip
afare1 2 years ago
I'm most impressed by both of them. Thumbs up, Rushdie!
illbetilbake 2 years ago 3
It is a pity that there isn't a Hell for hateful religious people to go to.
Mattyb88ful 2 years ago 5
@Mattyb88ful there is: Pakistan, afghanistan, saudi arabia.
or, they blow themselves up, go to heaven, and all the virgins turn out to be geeks and nerds playing computer games (look at family guy for the reference :D )
milindpania 2 years ago
god bless rushdie
thepedomo 2 years ago 7
irshad u dirty piece of thrash
dawah100 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
these 2 scums are sitting there talking about Islam when they do not have a grain of Faith in Islam.
These two are not Muslims they are disbelievers.
dawah100 2 years ago
Dawah100 you can shove the Qu'aran up your arse you stupid camel fucker!
CHODESPAZ 2 years ago 5
wow. i wonder which evil religion teach u to behave this way? its gotta be a FALSE religion. ROT IN HELL
dawah100 2 years ago
Your religion is a load man made bullshit so I'm afraid you won't be getting your hands on those 72 virgins any time soon.
CHODESPAZ 2 years ago 7
sounds like all religions, it seems to me that god ,allah or yahway whatever you want to call him is made in mans image. because they all seem to be jealous evil closeminded and violent assholes. hell if i had to choose a god i pick thor or crom
dusty8512 2 years ago 4
lol its non believer...
TheProgressistViewer 2 years ago
Yes THANK ALLAH
UnyieldingDefiance 2 years ago
Multiculturalism is a beast unto its self.
Its a social idea thats spiraled out of control due to spineless and/or corrupt politicians who will do anything to appease pc/minority/click audiance
weallhaveavalue 2 years ago 8
@weallhaveavalue Multiculturalism will be the death of the west.
badgerattoadhall 2 years ago 2