NH: Free Stater criticizes sovereignty rally

[longfootbuddy]

yes, seeing idiots screwing up good things is painful to watch

[conspiracy777]

BO has been making statements lately that are very disturbing. When confronted on some issues lately he has made comments like "I won". His popularity will only go so far and only last so long. He will have to clamp down on any opposition early and that IS beginning to happen.

[steyzon80]

...which is actually very sad because he talked about healing the nation and instead Obama and Emanuel are trying to do everything they can to divide Americans and force all citizens to conform to their views.

Obama does not care to hear what Americans have to say. He simply wants to run things the way he wants to and that's it. Obama is a tyrant plain and simple.

[steyzon80]

"I wana have an honest discusion with people. I want people to come up with their own ideas and kinda come up with a forum."

When the president selects people like Rahm Emanuel to be part of his inner-circle that says something about what kind of person Obama is.

Obama is not going to listen or consider what people like those at this rally have to say. He may say he will but that is a lie. He is bent on tearing this country apart from the inside. He wants to take out conservatives...

[teebteeb1268]

By the way, they have a right to be angry... you can only write so many emails. Even after all the great work you all have done in NH McCain still gets the vote by a landslide. Maybe you should get a little angry.

[teebteeb1268]

A libertarian who didn't like the rally because it didn't precisely match his views and ideas? That is ridiculous. What we need to do is let people get excited for whatever reason they see fit. Open the doors don't circle the wagons. He wants people to call their reps but those people will give their reps varying opinions on the "why" anyway. Sounds to me like someone was upset because they felt left out.

[Ariaannis]

He might be a Libertarian...but, that wasn't the only group present there. There were people from "Restore the Republic", "Truthers", etc., that could be the reason he didn't like the HCR 6 Rally. I myself thought it felt good to scream against a government that is quickly stealing all our Liberties...that was not "group think" as he stated, but the reality of the current political climate in Amerika. We don't like what they are doing and no amount of "nice" speech will correct that.

[fremontr]

The NHLA has been very very nice and polite for a long time and getting nothing but disrespect in return. I'm about ready to give up on them.

Life is way too short to be associated with people who just don't want to win badly enough.

I LIKED that rally. It was a refreshing change of pace from the usual mealy mouthed begging.

People I talk to who are not in the NHLA agree with me. I don't mean activists I mean friends and business associates. I think the NHLA is out of touch and in denial.

[goten1201]

totally agree.

[RidleyReport]

the real id rally worked out fine. maybe the trick is having the rally on the weekend, so no mob interacts too directly with the reps.

Or maybe the solution is just having rallies anyway, even if some people don't like then.

[teebteeb1268]

Never give up on the rallies. We need to show people they aren't alone. At our rally in PA my wife met a very "scary man with a mullet" that she refused to ask to move out of the way. Before she knew it he was helping her stand on a bench and complementing her shirt. She now feels included and a certain comradery with the people there. That kind of stuff is priceless.

By the way, my Beagle will chase a Doberman if you let her. Doesn't help her chances when she catches it. =)

[1eich]

dude your wife is a slut

[DAILEYericCaryUSA]

Nah, you got this wrong. It's a different kind of crowd. It's a community thing, not a warrior thing. Besides "a slut" wouldn't be afraid of a guy with a mullet anyway .

[dmgoddard]

I couldn't agree more. Spot on, Ryan.

I worked hard to plan this and it kills me that it went so wrong. It confirms my belief that rallies in general are not the way to effect the changes I desire. (For the record, the rally was created at the suggestion of some of the sponsors of HCR6, after it was ITL'd)

Far better is clear, rational testimony at public hearings -- and, most effectively, getting liberty-oriented people elected!

[fremontr]

It didn't go wrong Denis. YOU went wrong.

This is the closest I've ever seen you come to a success but you haven't got the vision to capitalize on it. THAT is what's gone wrong.

[Charlz9mm]

Wimp

[greenoutlawgreen]

The only way to be happy is to change your mind about things. To do that you must ignore your surroundings. To do that you must stop caring about things! So if your sick of what the government and what the world is doing just stop thinking and live in a fantasy land! Thats what the majority of people do to be happy and their right.

[monadog3]

Your comment reminds me of a couple of lines from the old movie classic "Cool Hand Luke":

"You run one time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself two sets. You ain't gonna need no third set, 'cause you gonna get your mind right boy..."

[monadog3]

That's right. You've got to get your mind right. That's exactly what THEY want - for you to get your mind right. No matter that you live in a fantasy world & attempt to delude yourself away from the inescapable fact that you're enslaved. Small wonder so many people medicate themselves or are medicated by their physicians. All in all, that's a very defeatest comment and offers no hope to others of overcoming the tyranny of government. That's the problem. People need to face reality & take action.

[EvilMongrelMonkey]

The Government needs to be reminded that there is a Militia that will make them obey the Constitution if they refuse.

[P3rf3ctStorm]

As far as the interviewee's criticism of the rally goes, I believe the people there had grand cause to express their discontent with "politics as usual". The way in which they appeared to do it may have gone a little bit overboard, but there was no violence whatsoever that I could discern, only rightful outrage and anger at a supposedly representative government that's not responding at all, and appears stubbornly resistant to the voice and wishes of its People.

[intrepgun]

no one can disprove what david icke says either. 'you have to pretend the impossible is merely preposterous.'

people that listen to alex jones on the radio are no different than people who listen to bill oreilly. they get some sort of satisfaction from being riled up and lead around by the nose.

what i'm saying is, you have access to all the information alex jones does. he's unnecessary and puts his own rhetoric in where it's not needed whatsoever. i think it hurts more than it helps.

[stracinsrt4]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Violence is not out of the question when it comes to freedom. This guy sounds like a coward to me.

[Verlch]

We are 100 years too late to do any real change, but hopefully we can enact some laws that will keep as much power with the people as possible.

Remember this nation was founded as We the Kings, which is why our fathers left Europe, because there, and now, we were servants of the kings or an oligarchy.

Absolute power in the hands of a few, corrupts absolutely.

Democracy leads to socialism and the goal of socialism is communism. That is what is Yikes!

[not2seri0us]

Great comment!

[Verlch]

Thanks, let's get back to our Roman style Republic, with plenty of checks and balances to ensure absolute power doesn't land in the hands of another Hitler, Stalin, Lenin or Mao. All of which disarmed their people and killed 200 million.

[not2seri0us]

I totally agree! It scares me for my child. Imagine (if we don't take a stand and do something) how things will be in 20 or 30 yrs.....

[P3rf3ctStorm]

lol - there are those scaaaary "-isms" again. Although I agree with the thrust of your comment, I usually like to take the emotional charge out of the typical "-isms" and just refer to fascisim, socialism, and communism as "collectivism". Democracy usually leads to "collectivism" and a "collectivist" mindset, which essentially evolves into tyranny and enslavement . Individual liberty and freedom are the antithesis of that.. The debate really boils down to "Collectivism" v. "Individualism".

[P3rf3ctStorm]

So, it lappears to me that all the people in this thread are looking for a return to the original conception of the Republic as detailed by the Founding architects - which was conceived as individual Liberty and Rights for the People, with the government's powers chained by the Constitution. Unfortunately, it's correctly observed (by many people) that we've transformed (de-evolved) from the philosophy and practice of Individualism (independence) to ever-increasing Collectivism (dependence).

[P3rf3ctStorm]

How to transform back to a more Individualistic society from the collectivist one that has overcome us, seems to be the primary problem at hand. What are the best strategies to do that? That's what should being discussed. I see publicity, education, rallys, protests, civil disobedience as all being valid & justifiable means to achieve the end result. And I see education & publicity as being the most critical of all. If people don't have an awareness of their rights, then how can they miss them?

[georgedonnelly]

What can be done to better it next time?

How about create an IT resource that is the equivalent of a mailing list but keeps messages short and enables one to post and receive via cell phone? Twitter can be used like this. This would enable a sub-conversation to go on during the rally possibly counteracting any undesired behavior.

How about an orientation session beforehand during which ppl are given suggested things to say and do?

[intrepgun]

text swarms worked well for the koreans to undermine their bad government and raise a leader from their own ranks.

a lot of people have cell phones and either get texts free or would gladly pay the 20 cents [like me] to get information about important happenings.

it works for 'wired' [or in this case wireless] communities like ours.

i'll say it again; text swarms.

[ElCapitan1985]

take your balls out of your purse and man up. you must be the change you want to see in the world.

[odigity]

I understand that some people are uncomfortable or disagree with shouting or whatever else went on, and it's fine to share those views.

What disturbs me is the number of people within our own community who use words such as "violent" or "crazy" to describe what was a non-violent gathering. No actual violence occurred, and suggesting non-violence was violent because of your emotional reaction to it is disingenuous.

The establishment is already working to discredit us. Why help?

[WarDogLRS]

The dude is uninformed and sounds like a wuss

[RidleyReport]

a wuss who just foot chased a burglar unarmed? guess you haven't heard about that incident with ryan and the camera thief.

[greenback001]

this guy criticizing the rally needs to see the film The Obama Deception. He'll certainly change his tune and see the need to show some of these legislators licking the boots of international bankers running our country, let them know that we mean business.

[intrepgun]

alex jones movies aren't helpful. there are better, less sensational, more informative sources of information. his persona detracts from the seriousness of these issues and promotes a very strange kind of anger and fear.

[magnusdoc15]

I agree. I just watched the Obama deception, and apart from severely depressing me, he places far too much weight on the aspects of the liberty movement that could have anything to do with a conspiracy. Free thinkers aren't going to be attracted to a message of unsubstantiated fear of the NWO.

[not2seri0us]

I think Alex Jones gives a lot of us a bad name.....

[Verlch]

Alex Jones is about 90% truth, and 10% sand in your eyes. His whole "sneaking" into the Bohemian Grove, made me realize he was a Jesuit plant.

But what he says is informative.

He is controlled opposition, but you never know, he might have his fingers crossed! You will know he was not controlled if you find him hanging from the rafters.

Even if you find him dead, that might be faked aswell. Hitler style. You don't really think a wall street funded maniac killed himself, do you?

[not2seri0us]

I do listen to Alex Jones, but sometimes he's a little overboard.... Watch ( POLICE STATE 2000 - Highway Checkpoint Pt. 1/2) It was just a road block (you know the ones they have to check people for alcohol) and Alex was going nuts! I do agree with you...what he has to say is informative, but you have to sift through it...lol! I have wondered from time to time why Alex hasn't " commited suicide " . It seems when anyone gets close to the truth and informs the public they end up dead.

[Verlch]

Which is why he is controlled opposition. Helping to expose the "conspiracy" nuts, who say they won't go along with the Tower of Babel II. But like they say, it is better to die on your feet, then living life on your belly, serving your oppressor. At this moment in time we are a different kind of slave, a wage slave, or debt slave. We are collateral on the trillion's in debt our retarded politicians racked up serving the oligarchy on their belly.

[intrepgun]

i don't think alex jones is 'one of us' at all. he's got mouths to feed and his job is to do what he does. maybe his intentions are pure but he'd do well to settle down and read more. or so says i. but what do i know?

[not2seri0us]

I'm just not sure about Alex....some of his shows are very informative, but there's just something about him I can't quite put my finger on...

[intrepgun]

could it be that he's a big hollering jackass that mostly motivates people to buy from his fear-mongering sponsors and follow in his obnoxious, unproductive footsteps?

that's how i see it. i mean hey, he's got his place. if he motivates some kids to think a little more about the world around them and eventually they leave the alex jones stepping stone behind, that's awesome. but there are better ways that don't exploit people's emotions.

[not2seri0us]

lol.....hmmm....yeah, that could be it...lol!

[mlang52]

I personally worry, just because of the things this guy talks about. How many times have I been verbally abused, even on sites that support! We need to learn to get along with, and respect, each other, more. That respect must also go towards those that oppose us. Also, especially, we must show respect for those who oppose us! What about some suggested guidelines of political etiquette? But, we don't need to be wimps, either!

[watcher8o]

Violence must be avoided, but not at all costs. It should be a last resort.

The current Federal administration and the majority of our Federal legislators would love for a violent incident to occur so they could use it to take away more freedoms. At times I think a violent outcome is a foregone conclusion, but we must always work through peaceful channels if possible. Just be prepared if, God forbid, those channels break down.

[mcgrawtim123]

The rally "the mob", might scare the politicians into providing more bread and circuses....but I doubt if these rallies change any politician's vote.

[bigdstocktrader]

I agree that violence is not necessary. Violence is ONLY a LAST RESORT - only to be used in self defense when everything else has been tried and the state has gotten to the point of hunting down non violent liberty lovers and killing or imprisoning them. Then violence would be self defense and therefore justified. It is nowhere near that yet and hopefully will not be, ever.

Our numbers need to be smart enough to not get drawn into a "mob mentality". Think wise strategy, not mob rule.

[luxordeathbed]

Unfortunantly the human "animal" is prone to this and easily degenerates to stupidity. It takes enlightening on an individual basis to overcome this. The problem is that many don't seek this...

[OldSchoolAmerican]

Chicago Mob Rule is what we are dealing with in this administration. I do not condone violence, but when push comes to shove, i'll be shoving back.

[JSenator06]

YES: LET THEM (The Feds be the Agressors): We Must have the moral high-ground or the people (the majority), and God will NOT be on our side "with malace toward none"...We should be prepared to sacrifice all like the founders, but let this be a LAST resort (we may even win some "Feds" over)!!

[sailfished]

Inarticulate ranting is an equal opportunity illness . If folks are going to bail because some in our movement are lowbrow we might as well capitulate now. Leaders will emerge that will gain the trust of the foot soldiers, after we get some momentum the strong reasoned voices will predominate .. peace from n.w. Mt.

[StoneWallD]

yep.

[stammeringlips]

This is good info so we can see how we need to conductu ourselfs.

[turboredcart]

THANK you for posting this. It helps me to guage what is probable for my area. "uncle" could also refer to "uncle Tom". Uncle Tom is a pejorative for an African American who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures, or as seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation./ Great job on reporting this! Thanks!

[mlang52]

Uncle Tom was not half white! I am not an Obama supporter, but he is not subservient in any way!  I just don't like some of his ideas.

[StoneWallD]

Ya'll need a good leader, I am sure he is among you and this young man is a candidate.

[StoneWallD]

real debates.

[StoneWallD]

sober, stoic, contemplation very good young man.

[HHODork]

What does live free or die mean to you?

[Dewdaahman]

do you want to be dependent on the US Gov't for your food,housing,etc..?

No Job = No purchasing power = getting your food from the Gov't = Dependency..

We need our jobs back and those that orchastrated this financial meltdown need to be held accountable and jailed, PERIOD.. hopefully words and the rule of law will prevail in this undertaking..

[tj5555555]

Peace at any price is not peace. Finger in the air is not violent. Talk is cheap. Finger in the air is a hint that your elected officials had better listen. Do something to be somebody. Talkers just put us back to sleep. It's been hard enough to get this much awake don't let that talker talk us back into coma. Nice work Rid, AC

[CRAPCANNONS]

I agree.

Violence is unnecessary.

The idea of liberty, properly voiced, has a strength that does not require violence.

Ron Paul has never ever made a single threatening word against anyone. It's inspiring and actually reveals strength.

[JSenator06]

I agree with this Free-Stater as well as DaveRidley. I don't think this should be a partisan issue (it is universal in that All Americans have a stake, also..I agree where ths guy said "it should be talked about in solmn terms"-when talking about State Secession-Nullification-or Sovereignty we need to MAKE clear this is serious business; we are challenging the feds over their violation of Constitutional oaths (agreements) they have made; it's not a "gimmick"!