Don Smith Device Project Part 20a: Bell-shaped Wave-Form and Output Testing

[Khwartz]

Salut Kurt, je ne savais pas que tu étais francophile ;)

Je t'envoie pas mal de matériaux d'études en message personnels notamment. Si tu trouves cela excessif dis-le moi car je ne sais pas ce que tu sais déjà et ce qui pourrait vraiment d'apporter plus.

En tout cas au cas où tu ne l'avais pas encore lu: free-energy-info dot 'comm'/Smith.pdf, notamment le fait que le transfert d’énergie irait avec le carré de la fréquence et de la tension, + supraconductrice à fréquence de résonance ! <3 Cdt

[kdkinen]

@Khwartz

hehe oui jai vecu en ottawa jusqu a 16 ans donc javavais des amis francophone, mais ca fait tellement longtemp que jai parle francais :) alors je m excuse que cest pire lol

oui jaccept et appreci toute :)

[Khwartz]

@kdkinen Très heureux d'apprendre que tu parlais le français avec tes amis d'Ottawa :)

Très heureux de voir aussi que tu es un être facile à vivre et intéressé par tout ce qui peut d'aider éventuellement à progresser dans tes expérimentations :)

Si tu veux, on peut continuer à communiquer en français pour te refamiliariser ! Même moi en ce moment ça me fait du bien car je communique plus en anglais que dans ma langue maternelle ! lol

[1936pmonk]

What are the specs on your b&w coils such as diameter,length,turns per inch and wire size?

Thanks

[kdkinen]

@1936pmonk

Airdux inductors 2404TL 10 gauge 4 turns per inch and 2410TL 14 gauge 10 turns per inch i bought from B&W,

32uH and 198uH

[KyleCarrington]

wow looks like you are making progress! Why is there no drop in the input, are you feeding a charge back in, as we did in the IMHOTEP experiment?

[kdkinen]

@KyleCarrington

Hey man, its STILL going strong, but no self-feeding connection.

One thought is the test lead from the pos on the battery is an even multiple of the wire length in L1, like Don said (1/4 of L1 will communicate)?

The only battery i have had to replace was the 9v on the signal gen, i have it on a different battery to isolate freq generation away from the power supply.

Shocks can be felt on both terminals of the battery during use, could be bad grounding, but maybe good ?:)

[KyleCarrington]

@kdkinen I'm gonna have to send a PM. Watch your stuff a few times over, then take it up. This looks good, I want to play with this, but there are some fundamentals I am missing. Is your main thread on EF? OU? Cheers. Great stuff.

[kdkinen]

@KyleCarrington

energeticforum :)

[frankidel]

aussi, je me demandais une chose, don smith utilisait du fil multibrins, pense tu que ca as un effet ???

[kdkinen]

@frankidel

je n suis pas sur, mais trop epais et sa peut enlever energie, donc je pense que plus mince est meilleur, mais sa peut changer l'inductance.

Je ne croix pas d'etre fini en cela, ou d'etre le plus intelligent, mais perfection c'est le pratique :)

Et svp excuse mon Francais, ca fait un long temp :)

[frankidel]

salut kurt, ton spark gap est en série avec le coil primaire ou parallele. Pis le spark gap ajusté ton output augmente beaucoup, est que tu vas ajuster pour avoir le top du "bell shaped"

en tout cas, beau travail. continue. salut

[kdkinen]

@frankidel

oui c'est en serie avec le coil, et la capaciteur est parallel avev HV terminals.

Par ajuster le spark gap, ca regle la duration pour les capaciteurs a charger avant qu'il tire

[sgstuff]

Are your 12v lights lighted switches?

[kdkinen]

@sgstuff

yep, they are 12volt 30 amp automotive switches, from doing hho stuff in the past i know they can handle a steady 15 amps, but rated for 30amps.

They give the best response and are rated for what we are going for

[sgstuff]

@kdkinen So, the 30 amps is the switch amp rating, not the bulb. The bulb probably draws less than one amp at 12 VDC.

[kdkinen]

@sgstuff

yep, they will light at prob 100ma, but you can drive them harder, and they respond with varying brightness, indicating more or less power going to them, not just one brightness.

Which makes me think that the bulb itself is experiencing the load current.

In vid 4: "lite bulb killer" you can see me drive one of them to failure, it gave out at 3.5 amps on the meter, with unmeasurably high voltage

Cant really trust the meter but it did steadily climb up to 3.5 amps just before it quit

[sgstuff]

@kdkinen I see, I just didn't want you to give people the wrong impression, like you were lighting something way more powerful. Sometimes it's hard to tell in videos.  Do you have current schematic posted anywhere? Thanks!

[kdkinen]

@sgstuff

oh yeah man, well i have given the specs in previous vids for those switches for anyone to try, but vid 12 i lite an incandecent almost to its maximum, it is actually too easy to arc them internally with the setup, and step down is more critical.

High output is not in question, its easy to try for yourself.

Getting it controlled is the issue :)

[kdkinen]

@sgstuff

2... and the present state of the project is to find the Bell-shaped wave-form, then refine the output later on. First things first

[kdkinen]

@sgstuff

2... these switches have been great for this,

One thing i did try was taking just the battery and try to lite them...

The battery alone can dimly lite 4 of them, but this setup can lite all 10 with very minimal input

[kdkinen]

@sgstuff

3... and this is by no means the finished product yet, just finding out what works and what doesnt, and showing everyone :)

[Khwartz]

@Kdkinen

I've thought about an other way: instead of having series of specific length coils, injecting the multiple frequencies to produce the sum of the frequencies... The purpose is still to create the highest amplitude of harmonics by setting directly them by multiplication than to just "find some" when injecting a single. What do you think?

[kdkinen]

@Khwartz

yes thats interesting, but how to produce multiple, not sure i understand the question

[Khwartz]

@kdkinen

It's like guitar strings: for each length and tension (length too, and voltage in electricity) you have specific standing waves that you can obtain: 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ..., while you have 2 "nodes", plucked strings. If not, you can have different harmonics like 3/2 or 4/5 waves.

allaboutcircuitsDOTcom/vol_2/c­hpt_14/6

So here you could find the fundamental of a coil and see to inject double, quadruple, or more easier and could cost much lesser energy: 1/2, 1/4,... 1/n^2.

[Khwartz]

@Kdkinen Hi again Kirt!

I have no real place neither oscillo at home and all that stuff need, and not have the budget for :/ but I have few ideas ;)

About resonating: what if you make a series of coils of multiple lengths but same diameter and gauge, to impede a series of specific harmonics that could add together and boost there amplitude, like 1f + 2f + ... + nf, with "f" basic frequency calculated on the basic frequency of the unity-coil?

My basic theory is that noise is a fractal hazard.

[MrYfree]

Great video.

It is hard to see in the video where the oscilloscope probes are connected.

Could you explain it, please? Thank you.

[DJJohnDow]

What's the main difference between Don S. and Kapanadze stuff?

As far I understood, Don S. circuit needs a lot of tuning to get everything in resonance, while kapanadze uses some kind of syncing using the earth...

Very interesting this video... progress on the way!

I saw on J. Naudins website a replication of the kapanadze coil... he finally got a huge boost in efficiency/cop by optimizing from sparking to a more plasma like arc...

Anyway, hope you have a few words on this. Take care John.

[kdkinen]

@DJJohnDow

Hi there, well as i understand it, Kapanadze's design is dependant on the ferrite core, whereas Don'd does not, and my replica does not like having any core, lights actually get darker with a core.

High freq may have to do with that,

Air-cores can handle much higher frequency and do not transfer any B-Emf back to the primary (lowering its impedance, causing it to draw more current)

And as u may know, volts squared x freq squared, so use higher freq and u have higher power :)

[kdkinen]

@DJJohnDow

2... and for simplicity. Don's devices appeal to me.

But that being said, i would love to try the TRUE Kapanadze schematic from the Russian site.

JLN has stated 96% efficient on his own "Kapagen"

...which is the standard efficiency of most transformers

(it works the same without the coil:)

But the true Kapanadze is for sure another winner...despite its complexity.

It just is that Don gave his schematic and blessing, and Kapanadze is still being kinda mysterious :)

[kdkinen]

@DJJohnDow

3... and why JLN never did a Smith replica???

....the answer... i bet it would be SO easy for him to build, and SO impressive, that he'd be TOO popular LOL

[Khwartz]

Happy New Year Dkinen! and thanks for this new video :)

You've written "bulbs are the same 12vdc 30 amp" wouldn't rather be 30mA?

For checking of any overunity, could you take smaller battery and compare the time of discharge between the 5 bulbs powered by the device then directly by the battery? cause as measurements are special in hight frequencies, only that kind of test will tell us the true result, you could have only boost of conductance indeed. Remember, the only true test is E=P*-T ;)

[kdkinen]

@Khwartz

LOL no man, 30 AMPS. They're automotive switches, ive used them for HHO, they'll take 15 amps from experience.

AND GOOD IDEA MAN!!

I just tried that with an identical battery and it will BARELY lite 5 of them :)

...all 10 of them...forget it :) but the Smith setup will lite them ALL with 12v @ 2.5amps input!

Great idea, i'll show that next vid, thankyou :)

[Khwartz]

@kdkinen ok, good for the really 30A :) And very thanks for answering :D

but I wouldn't seem to much hard but again: the fact that you can't light much your 5 bulbs with just the battery and very well with the device, doesn't mean that's the device is more economical in terms of energy than the battery. Again, it could be only because the device boost the conductance of the load. the battery could light 20 hours with .5A while with the device only 4 hours with 2.5A, exactly the same :/

[kdkinen]

@Khwartz

hehe, maybe, but the battery has also seemed to stay charged, so we'll see :)

[Khwartz]

@kdkinen So, that would be the best if your battery remain fully load! ;) Just to remember to anybody: > 12.80V --> 100% of load, 12.55V --> 75%, 12.32V --> 50%, 12.18V --> 25%, 12V --> completely unload (from cars services data).

[masster64]

what are your neighbors saying about scrambling their radio and tv reception ?

[kdkinen]

@masster64

TV is now fine now that ive switched to this briefcase driver from the large nst.

...and im deliberately using 20-50khz or over 200khz even into the low Mhz...

Safely avoiding the Radio stations

[ovruni4458]

WOW !!!!! - You have been hard at it - I would love to be there to watch this happening live - Congratulations - Here's wishing you all the best in every way possible for 2012 and beyond - HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!

[kdkinen]

@ovruni4458

thanks man i appreciate that, yes this will be an awesome year :)

[kdkinen]

@ovruni4458

and happy new year to you :)

[h2ocommuter]

Nice work! how bout putting up a drawing of the schematic momentarily.

anyway I am glad you got past the previous hurdles. I would like to see the high and low pass filters you are will be using to get the freq down to 60/ 120 what ever you are going to use to extract for output power. you know the proverbial "Resistor"

Zane

[kdkinen]

@h2ocommuter

thanks man, yes its gettin there, going to add an isolation transformer with the corresponding resistance. or pulse the operating freq at 60 hz and smooth it, not sure yet.

Thinking about making a Thane Heins bi-Toroid but would for isolation