But I dont get it. I just got a promotion from my boss. I work security and I have only taken the communication cource and learned to communicate better, and now the promotion, it showes that the tech works.
Tory, you keep slipping. Why do you have trouble with this? It's "Cult" of Scientology, not "Church". Church is a term relating to the houses of prayer used in the Christian faith, while the Cult of Scientology practices as a business with illegal tax exemption.
Don't forget, Hubbard himself said "There was no Christ", so calling themselves "Churches" of Scientology is a bit backwards in itself. Wouldn't you agree?
Also, <3 to see you're still around. Keep on talking, we'll keep on listening.
My definition of 'church' : any place where dogmatic adherence to certain beliefs is expected, or any place where unproven matters related to a) life after death, or b) the belief that conscious but unseen entities have some or all control over our reality--are regularly asserted with dishonest certainty and expected to be accepted without question.
Cult, church, synagogue... just different structures for enslaving minds through lies.
I'm not slipping.........I've explained it *Many* times how I feel about Scientology as a "Church" and/or "religion" and how for me, and per the definition of CULT----it is a cult. If you're not familiar with it, google Cult+What is it? THEIR name is C of S,
and sometimes I am speaking to people "in",
and to them, I don't need to keep hammering CULT. Remember, I was "in"--I know what worked, and what didn't work.
The $cientologists obviously make up their so-called 'tech' as they go along, yet they insist this psychobabble is perfect and cannot be questioned. Any member who questions the rubbish they're fed are told they didn't understand it and are punished by being told to do (and pay) the course again. Any goup that doesn't tolerate criticism is inherently weak and must therefore be held up for public ridicule and scorn, it's only fair.
1975 when I left. Didn't you go to Chicago to start a mission back then? Still love you. You ARE one powerful being. Boy did they make a mistake in losing you!
Hubbard said "If you want to make money, Start a religion". He also was anti -churches, angels, Christ, etc. Google it, don't believe me.
In Scientology (C of S) one has to pay for EVERY SINGLE LEVEL, including becoming a 'member'.
I'm not talking 'donation'...that they call it. It's a fixed price...from $50-thousands, to hundreds of thousands..no joke or exaggeration. Scientology IS a business, period. The "Religion" Elron created for tax purposes.
For you to be so open and honest with the public to try to save them from this dangerous cult (putting yourself in danger), you deserve a medal! Please message me if you're ever in NY, I would love to meet with you- picket, lunch, whatever!
Shame on youtubology. This is not an isolated subject on which they attack free speech. If you are critical of islam, if you support Israel or Kahane and if you step outside the 'cute puppy video' boundaries they are more than willing to aid the fascists out there to shut down free speech.
hi tory. I was never part of scilontology but find it very interesting. I have read over most everything I can get my hands on. I am reading Messiah or Madman. What about these other so called original scientology churches out in california?? ever heard of them?? just curious.
earth2indy: you might want to watch my two-part video about coercive persuasion, in it i try to explain how scientology uses thought control to manipulate people and switch off their critical thinking abilities and ego-defense mechanisms.
You might also want to make a video or two about the cult personality, which is a mask that cult victims wear to replace their real personalities. It is frightening to see how Scientology customers tend to become indistinguishable, personality-wise, among themselves. Their real personalities become buried in the same cult personality which Hubbard forces then to wear.
desertphile: this seems to be the logical consequence.
they are all being brainwashed to believe the same things, and have the same oppinions about and attitude towards things. the language is also a part of it and gets transformed to conform. there just isnt much left of the individual, the personal worldview gets replaced by the point of view of the group, which is dogmatic and black and white only.
im considering to redo this 2-part video, then maybe i could include this aspect.
The est Training (25% came from Scientology) kinda distilled the bits which did "work" & used other 'tech' from Za-Zen & Alan Watts to get people to see what CHANGE is & crucially the CONTEXT that One holds (Ones) life within. Change is only a 'more, better, different' thing while TRANSFORMATION sees things as they are & chooses that - the distinction being> Life 'works' from a context creating as-it-is basis over a change driven survivalist mind-set.
Tori you seem so warm and kind and caring its hard to imagine you as one of those hard faced $cientologists that we see in other videos. So glad you made it out of that. I cant but think of all the current Scientologists that would too be really decent people without that influence.
As long as I was "in" Scientology, (30 years) we tried to get the Sea Org like this to lighten up, be friendlier, etc. The average public, and many staff are far different than these people. It's even worse, looking at them now that I'm out. Thank GOD and the Net, critics and Anonymous---people are getting free from that creepy place, daily.
No matter what they say, keep pointing out the obvious: Scientology STOPS FREE SPEECH and only "Helps" those that fit their agenda.
$cientology: The snipers nest facing INWARD "religion". Come on religion=razor wire facing inward. Hey I got a good idea lets all watch the $impsons so Nancy can make even MORE money to give $ciFailology so they can hire even more lawlers to send us all legal letter of harrass. Or take some of that $impsons money and hire a PI to stalk and harass that 16 year old girl $cientology followed her to her car after a protest; she had to take a cab to escape the $cilon. They followed her in the cab.
I'm 6'3" and 240 pounds and I after hearing all things Mark Headley had to say, I'd love to be left alone in a room with with that midget David Miscavige for an hour. Oh, yeah! I would love to adjust his fucking tone scale.
I loved when tom C talks about SP's. It makes no sense. I filled the questionnaire online-they phoned me incessantly for about 3 month to get me to come into the centre in Edinburgh. You know, i was tempted. Life at home was rough. I could so see myself living in the compound fighting Sp's and wrapping dianetics books. Like that Simpsons episode. lol Definitely a swipe at L Ron
Oh, btw, i wanted you feed back on something, Tory. :-) I'm training in client centred therapy. I commented to a collegue-jokingly, ofcourse-that the culture in the uni reminded me of scientololgy. I compared Carl Rogers to L Ron. At the time, i was joking-but i think there is some truth in what i was saying. I was disturbed to learn the Lron was influenced by Rogers. What do you think of Rogers and what do you think of the PC way of life?
I mean, for instance, they grill youon how you are feeling you and confront you if you are not being "congruent". They eat, sleep and drink the PC philosophy. It seems cultish to me. Anyway, any thought on Rogers/PCT and its influence on scientology?
PC= Pre-Clear in my talks. It's someone getting auditing in Scientology. A "PC" is a "Pre-Clear"....and "PC Folders" are the write ups about each session.
It was on the Scientology u.k. websit. I filled the form in on line (the questionnaire is a like a psychometric test) and my results were sent to my local branch. My local branch- in Edinburgh- then contacted me to "discuss" the results and ask me to come visit them.
you'd think that by now, YOUTUBE would catch on to $cilons and not allow them to rip down videos. I wonder if $ci is trying to recruit YouTube big wigs?
Your videos, always informative, and lively. Thanks
Tory I have watched every one of your youtube videos. I love how you stick to your convictions and the positive attitude had an impact on my my attitude. I see how you endure, I try to live up to that and I think your caring heart has made me more caring and a better person.
Believe me Tory, Scientology (and their CCHR expo) will be hearing from us here in Atlanta this Valentine's Day... LOL. Wishing you all the best: DE39 :)
The fourth flow is from Xenu to me. I channel Xenu and he says you are doing a fantastic job and are a hero for the cause of freedom and giving needy body theatons a home.
Already seen the video with Smurf at HGB you mentioned . You could really tell that Andy was thinking about what you were saying. Just loved the bit where you forgot where you were and Andy reminded you with "The dark side of Scientology". Great tactic on your part if deliberate.
Keep up the good work and Kung Hei Fat Choi (Happy Chinese New Year)
Tory, I watched the video of you & casper talking to Andy & it was excellent. Maybe, just maybe he'll wake up sometime soon. Great job. Be great to see more scientologists willing to have a civil talk with critics, SP's & Anons
Being friendly is our biggest asset I believe, because sooner or later doesn't every member of scientology feel like they need to just Talk to someone who doesn't follow the rules or "keeping scientology working". What a dangerous set of rules that is.
I really enjoy swinging by your channel to watch your mini lectures on and about Scientology. Odd about your video, hopefully you find out what happened and entwine it into your next video for all of us wondering exactly what the "problem" was. O..o
This is a great video. Most of the Scientologists I have contact with think that we're just trying to completely destroy everything they believe in, which is totally not true. I don't want to destroy anyone's goodwill, humanity, or happiness. I'm trying to be less suspicious when I speak with Scientologists now because I don't want to destroy any part of their innate goodness, I just want them to know that they're good because they are themselves, not because they're in Scientology.
GODDAMN BASTARD $CIENTOLOGISTS.
communistsmustdie 1 year ago
But I dont get it. I just got a promotion from my boss. I work security and I have only taken the communication cource and learned to communicate better, and now the promotion, it showes that the tech works.
DeathereX 2 years ago
Did you have a child before being in the Sea Org?
No forced abortion outside there? What does your child think of Scientology? Did they get out with you?
SkankBangertonsays 2 years ago
That's not to say you aren't a nice person.
Oody61 2 years ago
Dizzy old cow. I think i'll wake up tomorrow and start a religion. Get enough suckers, You're set.
Sad Sad Sad.
Oody61 2 years ago
love ya tory
dalinean 2 years ago 3
Once you're out all the SPs will disappear from alone.
Now that's how you shatter suppression :)
exfalsoquodlibet 3 years ago
Tory, you keep slipping. Why do you have trouble with this? It's "Cult" of Scientology, not "Church". Church is a term relating to the houses of prayer used in the Christian faith, while the Cult of Scientology practices as a business with illegal tax exemption.
Don't forget, Hubbard himself said "There was no Christ", so calling themselves "Churches" of Scientology is a bit backwards in itself. Wouldn't you agree?
Also, <3 to see you're still around. Keep on talking, we'll keep on listening.
JorealConners 3 years ago
I agree with hubbard about there being no christ.
My definition of 'church' : any place where dogmatic adherence to certain beliefs is expected, or any place where unproven matters related to a) life after death, or b) the belief that conscious but unseen entities have some or all control over our reality--are regularly asserted with dishonest certainty and expected to be accepted without question.
Cult, church, synagogue... just different structures for enslaving minds through lies.
JPinLA 3 years ago
I'm not slipping.........I've explained it *Many* times how I feel about Scientology as a "Church" and/or "religion" and how for me, and per the definition of CULT----it is a cult. If you're not familiar with it, google Cult+What is it? THEIR name is C of S,
and sometimes I am speaking to people "in",
and to them, I don't need to keep hammering CULT. Remember, I was "in"--I know what worked, and what didn't work.
My best :)
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 2 years ago
The $cientologists obviously make up their so-called 'tech' as they go along, yet they insist this psychobabble is perfect and cannot be questioned. Any member who questions the rubbish they're fed are told they didn't understand it and are punished by being told to do (and pay) the course again. Any goup that doesn't tolerate criticism is inherently weak and must therefore be held up for public ridicule and scorn, it's only fair.
alien8ted 3 years ago 4
Tory, I knew you and Harold in 1969 thru
1975 when I left. Didn't you go to Chicago to start a mission back then? Still love you. You ARE one powerful being. Boy did they make a mistake in losing you!
bigbearjohn 3 years ago 5
"Buy?"
"Paying?"
"All the dough?"
But.... but I thought Scientology is a RELIGION! What's all this talk about money?
Desertphile 3 years ago
Hubbard said "If you want to make money, Start a religion". He also was anti -churches, angels, Christ, etc. Google it, don't believe me.
In Scientology (C of S) one has to pay for EVERY SINGLE LEVEL, including becoming a 'member'.
I'm not talking 'donation'...that they call it. It's a fixed price...from $50-thousands, to hundreds of thousands..no joke or exaggeration. Scientology IS a business, period. The "Religion" Elron created for tax purposes.
Love to all :)
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
Desertphile...Oh it's you! You know this, but I'll leave it up for the many who don't. Good questions, thanks :)
TLC
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
I wasn't aware you had a child. Did he or she escape Scientology as well?
obrienr 3 years ago
Youtube is muting and removing a lot of our videos lately, maybe it is time for an initiative again
caekisalie 3 years ago 2
I love you Tory, I think you're wonderful!
Happy Valentines Day!
For you to be so open and honest with the public to try to save them from this dangerous cult (putting yourself in danger), you deserve a medal! Please message me if you're ever in NY, I would love to meet with you- picket, lunch, whatever!
Anonymousobsessed 3 years ago 3
Shame on youtubology. This is not an isolated subject on which they attack free speech. If you are critical of islam, if you support Israel or Kahane and if you step outside the 'cute puppy video' boundaries they are more than willing to aid the fascists out there to shut down free speech.
Clausfarre 3 years ago
hi tory. I was never part of scilontology but find it very interesting. I have read over most everything I can get my hands on. I am reading Messiah or Madman. What about these other so called original scientology churches out in california?? ever heard of them?? just curious.
earth2indy 3 years ago 2
Which ones? There used to be tons of "Churches"...starting with St. Hill, in England.
Google is your friend :)
My best,
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
earth2indy: you might want to watch my two-part video about coercive persuasion, in it i try to explain how scientology uses thought control to manipulate people and switch off their critical thinking abilities and ego-defense mechanisms.
kurtilein3 3 years ago 2
You might also want to make a video or two about the cult personality, which is a mask that cult victims wear to replace their real personalities. It is frightening to see how Scientology customers tend to become indistinguishable, personality-wise, among themselves. Their real personalities become buried in the same cult personality which Hubbard forces then to wear.
Desertphile 3 years ago 2
desertphile: this seems to be the logical consequence.
they are all being brainwashed to believe the same things, and have the same oppinions about and attitude towards things. the language is also a part of it and gets transformed to conform. there just isnt much left of the individual, the personal worldview gets replaced by the point of view of the group, which is dogmatic and black and white only.
im considering to redo this 2-part video, then maybe i could include this aspect.
kurtilein3 3 years ago
Thanks Tory, it's always good to have these little visits.
actualnothing 3 years ago
The est Training (25% came from Scientology) kinda distilled the bits which did "work" & used other 'tech' from Za-Zen & Alan Watts to get people to see what CHANGE is & crucially the CONTEXT that One holds (Ones) life within. Change is only a 'more, better, different' thing while TRANSFORMATION sees things as they are & chooses that - the distinction being> Life 'works' from a context creating as-it-is basis over a change driven survivalist mind-set.
Do you know of Lester Levenson's work?
BloggStandard 3 years ago
"Do you know of Lester Levenson's work?"
Sorry, I haven't even heard of him.
I've heard that about EST training, and Scientology (C of S) even has an "EST Rundown" for people who were in it. DOH!
My best to all :)
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
Tori you seem so warm and kind and caring its hard to imagine you as one of those hard faced $cientologists that we see in other videos. So glad you made it out of that. I cant but think of all the current Scientologists that would too be really decent people without that influence.
RentTheSpokeMan 3 years ago 2
As long as I was "in" Scientology, (30 years) we tried to get the Sea Org like this to lighten up, be friendlier, etc. The average public, and many staff are far different than these people. It's even worse, looking at them now that I'm out. Thank GOD and the Net, critics and Anonymous---people are getting free from that creepy place, daily.
No matter what they say, keep pointing out the obvious: Scientology STOPS FREE SPEECH and only "Helps" those that fit their agenda.
My best :)
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
$cientology: The snipers nest facing INWARD "religion". Come on religion=razor wire facing inward. Hey I got a good idea lets all watch the $impsons so Nancy can make even MORE money to give $ciFailology so they can hire even more lawlers to send us all legal letter of harrass. Or take some of that $impsons money and hire a PI to stalk and harass that 16 year old girl $cientology followed her to her car after a protest; she had to take a cab to escape the $cilon. They followed her in the cab.
analyzingfunny 3 years ago
Great video Tory. Love you!
Happy Valentines Day! <3 <3 <3
Avery1now 3 years ago
hey tory todays my birthday n_n have a nice day
enzanthehero 3 years ago
Happy B-day, enzanthehero---sorry if I'm one day late.........celebrate your life :)
My best,
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
great video
ducksoup2007 3 years ago
Happy Valentines Tory,
So Pretty, So Perky, So Polite, So Pertinent
*Hugs & Kisses*
Assending1 3 years ago 2
I'm 6'3" and 240 pounds and I after hearing all things Mark Headley had to say, I'd love to be left alone in a room with with that midget David Miscavige for an hour. Oh, yeah! I would love to adjust his fucking tone scale.
DanielMcDirty 3 years ago 4
All I want for Valentine's Day is for Scientologists to know that we love them and that's why we're protesting.
cromwellian13 3 years ago
I loved when tom C talks about SP's. It makes no sense. I filled the questionnaire online-they phoned me incessantly for about 3 month to get me to come into the centre in Edinburgh. You know, i was tempted. Life at home was rough. I could so see myself living in the compound fighting Sp's and wrapping dianetics books. Like that Simpsons episode. lol Definitely a swipe at L Ron
justine750 3 years ago
Oh, btw, i wanted you feed back on something, Tory. :-) I'm training in client centred therapy. I commented to a collegue-jokingly, ofcourse-that the culture in the uni reminded me of scientololgy. I compared Carl Rogers to L Ron. At the time, i was joking-but i think there is some truth in what i was saying. I was disturbed to learn the Lron was influenced by Rogers. What do you think of Rogers and what do you think of the PC way of life?
justine750 3 years ago
I mean, for instance, they grill youon how you are feeling you and confront you if you are not being "congruent". They eat, sleep and drink the PC philosophy. It seems cultish to me. Anyway, any thought on Rogers/PCT and its influence on scientology?
justine750 3 years ago
whats PC?
Shoes742 3 years ago
Person Centred. google Carl Rogers. Hope that helped. :-)
justine750 3 years ago
Potltically Correct...which is facism to some people
Nagneto 3 years ago
okay thanks
Shoes742 3 years ago
PC= Pre-Clear in my talks. It's someone getting auditing in Scientology. A "PC" is a "Pre-Clear"....and "PC Folders" are the write ups about each session.
Hope that helps :)
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
where is this Questionnaire?
Shoes742 3 years ago
It was on the Scientology u.k. websit. I filled the form in on line (the questionnaire is a like a psychometric test) and my results were sent to my local branch. My local branch- in Edinburgh- then contacted me to "discuss" the results and ask me to come visit them.
justine750 3 years ago
Yes, I think flow 4 is self to self.
hokeypokeynokie 3 years ago
you'd think that by now, YOUTUBE would catch on to $cilons and not allow them to rip down videos. I wonder if $ci is trying to recruit YouTube big wigs?
Your videos, always informative, and lively. Thanks
catawungus 3 years ago
Here are the four REAL blows:
1. Tired of giving money to crooks.
2. Wants to experience life for real.
3. Tired of believing in poorly written science fiction.
4. Want to find a real reason to live.
There are MANY MANY more - but these are just a few.
darthspeaks 3 years ago
Tory I have watched every one of your youtube videos. I love how you stick to your convictions and the positive attitude had an impact on my my attitude. I see how you endure, I try to live up to that and I think your caring heart has made me more caring and a better person.
gappodnor 3 years ago
Believe me Tory, Scientology (and their CCHR expo) will be hearing from us here in Atlanta this Valentine's Day... LOL. Wishing you all the best: DE39 :)
DeadEnd39 3 years ago
The fourth flow is from Xenu to me. I channel Xenu and he says you are doing a fantastic job and are a hero for the cause of freedom and giving needy body theatons a home.
AnethSvartalf 3 years ago
Scientology works. It got me laid.
It's true.
ElGreatHambino 3 years ago
LOL - I wonder if you got locked in the locker on the ship!
darthspeaks 3 years ago
Miscavige had his way with me.
ElGreatHambino 3 years ago
tee hee. What tech was that?
justine750 3 years ago
you will not see the kingdom of L ron hubbard if you dont accept the lord xenu as your personal savior
manhattanwombat 3 years ago
Already seen the video with Smurf at HGB you mentioned . You could really tell that Andy was thinking about what you were saying. Just loved the bit where you forgot where you were and Andy reminded you with "The dark side of Scientology". Great tactic on your part if deliberate.
Keep up the good work and Kung Hei Fat Choi (Happy Chinese New Year)
THEMONKEYG0D 3 years ago
Tory, I watched the video of you & casper talking to Andy & it was excellent. Maybe, just maybe he'll wake up sometime soon. Great job. Be great to see more scientologists willing to have a civil talk with critics, SP's & Anons
deisel1967 3 years ago
Being friendly is our biggest asset I believe, because sooner or later doesn't every member of scientology feel like they need to just Talk to someone who doesn't follow the rules or "keeping scientology working". What a dangerous set of rules that is.
Long live Good Anonymous AND Tory.
yenseca 3 years ago 2
$cientology works for getting screwed.
ericcartman321 3 years ago 2
I really enjoy swinging by your channel to watch your mini lectures on and about Scientology. Odd about your video, hopefully you find out what happened and entwine it into your next video for all of us wondering exactly what the "problem" was. O..o
Have a safe and happy weekend too, Tory :D
AngryRaptor 3 years ago 2
I doubt if I'll find out...but it's already back up <:)
Love to all!
Have fun this week-end :) :)
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
This is a great video. Most of the Scientologists I have contact with think that we're just trying to completely destroy everything they believe in, which is totally not true. I don't want to destroy anyone's goodwill, humanity, or happiness. I'm trying to be less suspicious when I speak with Scientologists now because I don't want to destroy any part of their innate goodness, I just want them to know that they're good because they are themselves, not because they're in Scientology.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago 7
Great video Tory.
thank you for sharing your story with us.
Hail Xenu! Hail victory!
soulinite 3 years ago 3
Your mom sounds cool.
DavidNelsonUtah 3 years ago 2
i love your scarf!
pippigladstone 3 years ago 5
Thanks, me too! It's soooooooooper snuggly.
*hugs*
Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 3 years ago
First! Keep up the great work!
aaronwhines 3 years ago 7