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  • No,there's no reason to dismantle the Eurozone,but the treaties and the European budget desperately need to be revisioned and restructured.Introduce Euro-bonds to discourage rampant speculation against weaker member states,tax financial transactions-it's painfully obvious that peripheral countries like Portugal and Greece can't raise enough money to invest in large infrastructure projects by themselves to gain competitivity and if they get expelled,how will the North continue to enjoy surpluses?

  • @JeanMaria93 We don't want a Federal Europe, so there are no reason to be in the Federal core of EU (Eurozone). We had a dictatorship till 1974, and portuguese people is more unhappy now. It's easy to a greek to see profits in the Eurozone, you guys had 10 years of rapid growth. Portugal had 10 yeas of a stagnant economy, high unemployment and in 2010 the worst crisis since 1910. Not even during the colonial war the crisis was so big. Our debt is higher than ever.

  • @l23722 Not in the slightest,the "growth" we enjoyed over the last ten years has now vanished.Greece remains the country with the greatest exposure to the global recession;in just two years our economy shrunk by 20%(and it's expected to decrease even more)and unemployment rates escalated to 17,5%.The reason why Greece"proliferated" was the Olympiad,but ultimately we kept on borrowing foreign capital that barely re-nforced our economies.

  • @JeanMaria93 Yes, your growth may have been vanished, but you saw "growth" in that time. Portugal on the other hand no. In 10 years Portugal gowth was 6%. That was what Greece did in one single year. Our unemployment is over 9% since 2001 and now is in 12,5%. We had a debt of 56% in 2008 and now if 101%. In 25 years in the European Union, Portugal received 53 billion euros and in the last 3 yeas Portugal spent on bank 45 billions due to Eurozone crisis. No money, no growth no happiness.

  • No objections,but ultimately what do you suggest we do?Default on our sovereign debts and re-introduce worthless Escudos and Drachmas?The alternative is hyperinflation and we'll become third-world nations as a consequence.In times like this countries must act in solidarity with each other,if we isolate ourselves like we did following the budget crisis in 1929,totalitarian regimes will spread like wildfire throughout Europe.

  • @JeanMaria93 There are no easy get away from this crisis. I am portuguese and we started to fell that in june 2010. But independence is something priceless. We will get poorer even if we stay at the Eurozone, the only difernce, is that in Eurozone, Portugal or Greece have no way to run against Germany and it's low cost products and we have to do you they say. I would rather to default like Argentina and have 10 year to recovery what we would lose in 2, than to stay in and get 30 years.

  • @l23722 We have no prayer of working miracles like Argentina and Russia did...Those are large countries,with abundance in minerals,food and energy.How shall we import fuel with a worthless currency?And after all,living conditions in Russia and Argentina are still terrible,just take a look at their GDP per capita.For Portgual and Greece bankruptcy equals poverty.

  • @JeanMaria93 Portugal have gold, copper, lithium, zinc, natural gas and petrolium that is not being used due to European Union Rules. We have a 1,7 million square quilometer of ZEE that is used by France and Spain to fish instead of us. Sorry, Portugal is not Greece, and is well of of Euro Zone.

  • @l23722 It's vital that we remain in the currency union.Now that even the mighty Italian economy is being targeted by speculators,Germany will have to realize that countries will never re-finance their debts by weakening their national economies.The North must be faced with a dillema:either they start borrowing money at higher interest rates to safeguard the South or they accept the burden of bailing out Italy(now that I would love to see).

  • @JeanMaria93 It is not vital to stay in the currency union. Portugal was pretty well before the Euro. We cannot say the same about the euro presence in Portugal.

    Germany and Finland will bust as well as France, I am not sorry for that. Like I said, portuguese people now how to rise alone. We lived alone for hundreds of years. The end of the Euro is not the end of Portugal, but the bigining of a Federal Europe, that is the end of Portugal.

  • @l23722

    No matter what happens to Portugal, you will always have my support. I am English, and the Portuguese and English have had the longest alliance in world history. I would never turn my back on Portugal.

    When the Spanish and French alliance broke, ours still remained. And I think that's marvelous.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Thank you, but I think that your country's media is far from your nice point of view. Just look at Financial Times head lines about Portugal and you will see how "respectful" they have been with England's smaller and poorer old ally. Anyway, I am glad that not all englishman are influenced by their media. Thank you again.

  • @l23722

    I know, believe me I do, and frankly I'm disgusted our headlines say such a thing. A lot of English nowadays aren't aware just how long our alliance is. Most of the credit goes to The United States and the United Kingdom, but frankly we hate them, and I definitely know I do. Ignorant, egotistical bastards with no culture.

    I know England's national food is made fun of by them, but at least we HAVE national food. Unlike them. The Hamburger wasn't even invented in America!

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel We have a "thing" with them too. Maybe it's because they supported Salazar's dictatorship or because they got a "never go away" military base in Azores. But really, you should give them more credit, after all, they may be your wildest, but they are still your child, kind like Brazil to Portugal. Remembering Engand's bachelor brotherhood with Portugal does not mean you should forget your "parental duties"...hahaha...Your nice!

  • @l23722

    Ahh, yes. It is our child I suppose. I have no problem with the other countries we created like Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica (black, but still our children). Canadians can be dicks sometimes, but I attribute this to them absorbing influence from America.

    I also don't really like how fellow Europeans use their variation of English compared to ours and do American accents when speaking English. They're not big differences, in fact I could even list them in a new comment.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Well, I may not be the best person in that aspect. I tried to lear the british accent, but it is rather difficult, and we are exposed to the american version much more, but I still use "favourite" instead of "favorite", etc. Once again your probllem is much like the same as ours with Brazilian Portuguese. All the other ex-colonies speak European/Continental Portuguese except Brazil, and most foreigneirs that learn it tend to choose the brazilian one.

  • @l23722

    See that's one of the plenty of reasons why I hate Americans. They expose the world to their corrupted form of English and make people think THEY'RE the true English. And our accent really isn't all that difficult. Americans just make it seem that way. In their films and television programmes they depict a standard of Englishman that sounds NOTHING like the ordinary people of this country, either because he sounds too upper class, or because he's being played be a US actor.

  • @l23722

    You wouldn't have to throw your voice that much, it's all about pronounciation.

    The best people in the world at imitating English accents outside the UK is India. They have more of our influence and it pays off. They think the US accent is lazy.

    If I were learning Portuguese (which I do know a few words and phrases of) I wouldn't speak it any other way then how the people of Portugal speak it. And frankly, it's insulting the rest of Europe doesn't feel the same about English.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel To be honest, here in Portugal we have a love/hate relationship with brazilian portuguese. We love it because it is easy with pronoused vowels that we tend to eliminate, and specially because it makes our own version special/different, at the same time we hate it because they don't care to even try to understand ours and since they have a huge Colonial Complex, they think the best way to undermine their ex-colonial power is controlling it's own language.

  • @l23722

    I knew about the pronounciation thing, compared to England and American that DOES sound different. I don't think Latin Americans and Spanish do that either.

    The most noticeable differences between ours and theirs is that they over-emphasise on the R. Which with some words can REALLY sound ugly and hard on the ears of other English speakers, not just English.

    The word "or" and name "orc" are the most hideous examples of this.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Yeah, at least Americans think that British English is posh, Brazilains and Argentinians think the Iberian languages are harsh. Brazilians even joke about European Portuguese stating that it souns more like Russian than a Romance language (which is a certain extent is true).

    About the R, well, for me is the most difficult to read, both in english and american english. We don't have that sound in portuguese. I tend to read it like a French "R" which is the most common in here

  • @l23722

    Heh, that's pretty wonderful to see somebody who doesn't live in the UK and Ireland use the word "posh" AND in its right context. Even Americans don't use that term. But in all honesty it depends what part of British English you mean. Americans know about England (even though they call it Britain), an educated few know about Scotland, and hardly ANY know about Wales.

    Then there's Northern Ireland which you'd have to be very VERY cultured to know about it if you're American.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Really? I never would have thought of that. I mean, I know about the "ou" vs "o" thing and "Taxi" vs "CAB" or even "Underground" vs "Subway", but I have never heard that about "posh". Oh, and about Britain, I just love it, beautiful. I love the British countryside since my parents gave me my Beatrix Potter book, Black Beauty, James Herriot books, etc. I would love to see Ireland too, Éire and Ulster alike, but who knows. For now I happy to have seen Scotland, England and Wales.

  • @l23722

    And in my opinion you should just say "fuck 'em". Bastardos brasileiros. It's one thing when a country insults the people that spawned it (which is common) but it's worse when they insult the LANGUAGE you gave them too.

    I can understand what you mean, the English R is more like the Nordic R (for obvious reasons). But the problem is, Americans over-pronounce it. The R, even in Nordic languages, is meant to be silent. So to us, they sound like a motor bike revving its engine.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Nice portuguese, better than my english neighbours across my family's summer house in Algarve made in 22 years of my existence...hahaha. Anyway, I think it is time to me to apologise for my misspellings.

    And as long as brazilians are nice to us, portuguese, I don't really care what they think about the way we Lusitanians speak. I worried about it before and was a waste of time. You should try to ignore the american ill mannered ways too.

  • @l23722

    Ahh, well thank you. I'm far from fluent, but I usually find when I'm interested in a language the insults are the first place to go. It's weird, I remember phrases in different languages but I'm fluent in NONE of them. (Although I find Italian a surprisingly easy language to remember and pronounce).

    It's VERY interesting to see you mention Beatrix Potter, most people in the UK wouldn't even know about her nowadays. I loved the stories when I was younger.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Yes, insults are always the first thing. I made the same with Dutch, but till today, I think they must be really nice guy's, because the worst thing that they taught me to say was "U bent een dom" (You're an idiot)...hahaha

    Beatrix Potter is quite famous in Portugal, well, not her per se, but her tales like Peter Rabbit (Odd how the portuguese Prime-Minister name's is "Pedro Coelho", wich means "Peter Rabbit", is as prankish as the character).

  • @l23722

    And about the ignoring thing, I actually had that stance a while ago where I would just accept it as their nature and ignore them. But, I'm sorry, I just can't pretend to like these people that don't return the favour. I know that sounds very cynical to hate an entire people when I can't possibly know everybody in the US, but there are just so many reasons. Too many to list in the 500 character limit.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Yeah, I understand you, I really do, but I said to myself that I would not be mad with those kind of things. Ex-Colonies mean ex-problems. But I have to admit that americans are quite presumptuous sometimes, and not only "americans", I mean americans from Canada to Argentina...hahaha

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  • @l23722

    Oh yes, definitely. The Americas seem to be the great continents of the bastard-children. Loads of Spanish countries, Canada and America as the English countries (although I suppose France gets a bit of Canada too) and Brazil as the Portuguese country. Do you like the Spanish?

    Heh, really? Peter Rabbit? And to think that one was one of my favourite stories of hers as well. Definitely looking at her life and her stories make you think of an easier time in England. Before WW1.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Do you remember "The Tale of Jemima Puddle-Duck" of Beatrix Potter? Portuguese people feel like they are the duck and the spanish the fox. Well, let's just say that I do not fancy the Spanish, neihter most portuguese. It's not like it was before the EU.

    Anyway, the portuguese always saw Portugal as isolated, different from the rest of Europe. Some of us even say things like "They don't get along in Europe"...hahaha...

  • @l23722

    Yes, yes I do, and as I remember it the Fox tricks Jemima and locks her in a shed, leaving her eggs which she had sat on for 28 days unguarded. She is saved by two dogs, but as a result the dogs then eat her eggs. (Quite a dark tale actually). Do you, as a Portuguese citizen think the Spanish are tricksters?

    I've always thought Portugal, as one of the two Iberian countries has had more place in Europe than say, Greece or... England.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel For exemple both countries sometimes have water shortages (Portugal only on the southern half), and since both share the 3 biggest rivers in the peninsula, we agreed that Spain would have to let 50% of the water to cross the border constantly. However in the summer they almost dry the rives out sending water to their "moonscape lands" and in the winter they flood Portugal, literaly.

    This is just one exemple, so yes, I do think they are tricksters.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel It may seem that in the last 25 years in the EU that Portugal belongs to it, but the fact is that Portugal is far from being a logic part of it. Till 1949 we only had one ally in Europe, till the 90's we had stronger trade relations with Japan than with Spain or the Netherlands, we hated the Germans, and besides West Europe, the rest was simply unknown land.

  • @l23722

    In fact there is actually a cartoon series produced by the BBC that I used to watch about Beatrix Potter when I was very young (which essentially introduced her to me). Made in the 90's.

    The only problem with watching them on YouTube is that they're are Americans in the comments, and some of the American versions are uploaded opposed to the British versions (so some characters have American accents, which doesn't fit since it's the English countryside).

  • @l23722

    In this aspect, I still think this shows the similarities of Portugal and England are strong.

    I know in Portugal you have Brazillian shows, songs and radio stations over there whilst in Brazil they have little like that from you. This is similar to us, many US shows are shown here, whilst hardly any of ours are shown over there so they don't understand us. They edit our language and make theirs the more popular around the world. We made them, we shouldn't have to be treated this way.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel About the proper English, well, I misspell alot, both speaking and writing, so, the british accent is just one of my failures. I was in the UK in 2009, Wales, England and Scotland, I swear I tried to speak like you, but everytime people asked me "Are you an immigrant in the USA?", it is bad man...hahaha...Not only I failed to talk like you as I also failed to demonstrate I am European living in Europe, I don't even have a "portuguese accent", it's just ridiculous. I am sorry..

  • @l23722

    Really? People actually asked you that?! Probably Northerners. Aside from Indians they don't get many other nationalities up there.

    Hmm, well, it's a shame I can't change your mind, but I suppose if that's the way you feel...

    And about the Brazilian thing, I know what you mean. Between our COUNTRIES, it's love/hate, but on my personal level it's just hate/hate. I used to like them, really I did, but after years of abuse from them I just can't lie to myself anymore.

  • @IAmCaptainMarvel Yes, really, they asked it! And yes, it was in the northern part of England, near York. Atctually they are quite nice, but I was embarraced with that question...hahaha...And you can't change my mind about the accent because I already think like you. I think I would have to live there for a couple of years to start. It's really hard to speak like the British when portuguese TV only show American movies, it's rare even to have a portuguese movie in our own TV's.

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