Convince anyone- Atheist, Christian, or Jew- that Islam is the truth

[tushara01]

Boring.... and no, I am not convinced. Tried to be open, but you failed. Still an atheist and now think your religion is even more full of shit because of this. Please don't get angry and try kill me because of my view of your religion of peace.

[HKOverlord117]

Even less convinced than before I watched this. You could replace the Koran with the Bible, the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, or any other religious text, and get the exact same argument.

[daverigby23]

No, you failed ! I'm not convinced. Big fail !

[juanchisgomez]

wow, good point

[Mozart1220]

All religion is based on myth. I'll stick with science and observable, measureable facts.

[maestro4110]

theology mythology same shit different word.

[MrFungus420]

Not only did the video not convince me, it reinforced my opinion that Islam is bat-shit crazy..

Chap 21 v 30 is a restatement of Genesis which is very similar to many creation myths...nothing original.

57:25 Meteorites were one of the earliest sources for iron

39:6 No embryology, just the common knowledge about pregnancy.

50:19-20 is saying that salt and fresh water do not mix. False.

Ridiculously obvious false claims.

[TheLuckySaGe]

Do these videos actually convince people? I mean you have to be fucking brain damaged to be convinced anything in this video and even that is a stretch. The only thing I am convinced of is how fucking dumb muslims are. Holy fucking shit. The "prophet" Mohammed is a fucking dumbass. I would shit on his corpse if I had the opportunity.

[Thedickknows]

stupid video, by a stupid Muslim who belongs to a stupid evil fascist bigoted death cult!

[iSniPe4FuN]

prove to me god wrote this book...take your time..ill wait..

[TheCaptainhaddock1]

Oh please, please, please, Marvel450 - if you do just one thing today, look at this blog: rationalislam blogspot. Then, if you still think what you say here is true, perhaps you will try to convince me. But I truly believe you have been badly misled.

Best wishes

[DaBluedude100]

people are governed by exactly the same laws of the universe. If the words exist, man made them. Statistically any collection of words could occur to anyone at anytime.

Is the Muslim religion violent inherintely. Does it not say that all infidels will be cleansed from the earth in islam dominance of the world?

Of course it is not my belief that all muslims follow this to the word but it is very specific about the requirement to cleanse the world of infidels. Very violent...

[jlowe424]

Here's an excellent video about the scientific proof of the Quran. Two Muslim historians interview a prominent atheist blogger in Dublin.

/watch?feature=player_embedded­&v=N4trHH6AuZ0

[cptmuska]

i believe that all religions are horse shit and are just a scared persons way of dealing with their own death... also Christianity is the largest religion in the world, you would which is surprising considering that the Karna has been around for much longer

[Ravenmongoose]

@cptmuska

Actually being a religious theist I'm still terrified of dying mate! I'll be held accountable for my sins ...you on the other hand can get the hell away with them if nobody is watching. Good on you!

[zaidumer]

nice video?

[TheCaptainLulz]

@ThexHaZ Zakir Naik lies multiple times in his speeches, an that means he has no credibility in my books.

[TheCaptainLulz]

I love how islam will take absolutely anything and twiast it to try convincing people. You think we cant tell that this is bullshit? If you are trying to convince an atheist youre going to have to do ALOT better than this.

[thepacquiaovsmosley]

You fail to understand god of the gaps. muhammad is a nutjob

[neokanzler]

complete bullshit, back to school!

[wonderwaffle65]

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[dalmurja]

The video needs to explain itself more -- you mention the 3 layers and don't mention the science behind it -- and there are stronger arguments and points in the Quran that could have been used to prove your point.

Your point is correct -- you just don't do a good job of showing it to those that do not believe it is correct.

[ll3alouch]

THIS WORLD IS JUST AN ILLUSION AND TEST FOR THE HEREAFTER . PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW ABOUT ISLAM SHOULD FIND FOR THEMSELVES WHAT ISLAM IS THROUGH ONLINE ISLAMIC WEBSITES ....

SO SAD SOME PEOPLE ARE AND SURELY THEY WILL BE PUNISHED IN THE WORLD AND IN HEREAFTER AMMEEN

[Haze993]

@ll3alouch It is wrong to wish for someones punishment. Remember, when making dua for someone else it first comes true for yourself. Also, dude, don't get worked up on these people. They're nothing to you or I. And compared to our ummah their a mere footnote.

[ll3alouch]

SUBHAAN ALLAH ( ALL PRAISE BE TO ALLAH) .. LA ILLA HA ILL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASOOL ALLAH ,, NONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER .....

SHAME ON U SON OF ADAM ... U CANT SEE UR OWN SOUL AND U WANT TO SEE ALLAH ... BY ALLAH I CAN SAY UR A TRUE NON BELIVER ... MAY ALLAH GUIDE U TOWARDS TRUTH UR LOST AND CONSCIOUS

[ISLAMizCANCER]

Muslims worship muhammad almost as much as allah, even though they say that he was just a mortal man. He was the most evil man in history, and there is something seriously wrong with viewing him in a positive light. He was a hate-mongering, slave-trading, child-raping, mass-murdering warlord, who unleashed a plague upon this world that endures even 1400 years later.

"I bear witness that there is no evil but allah, and muhammad is a pigfucker."

(Piss & shit be upon them both.)

[Haze993]

@ISLAMizCANCER Muslims worship Allah. Muhammad (PBUH) is our last prophet and in away i suppose you could call him a role model for all muslims. You have no evidence whatsoever that proves muslims worship him mainly because it's not true. I'm not trying to change your mind here. Frankly i don't care if you burn in the deepest circles of hell. But if you're gonna hate on Islam, do so with some intellect.

[ISLAMizCANCER]

@Haze993 Muslims superstitiously add PBUH or SAW after his filthy name, they riot when someone draws a cartoon of him, and they execute any muslim or non-muslim who criticizes him. These things are all highly indicative of deity worship, not merely admiration of a role model human. But muslims will not admit this to themselves.

As I said, he was a hate-mongering, slave-trading, child-raping, mass-murdering warlord. If that's a muslim's idea of a role model, then a truly evil religion it is.

[ISLAMizCANCER]

LOL. Yeah, guess no one got convinced, huh? Those verses are completely abstract, ambiguous, and not even slightly scientific. Today, muslims make giant leaps of logic to try and reconcile them with modern science, and FAIL miserably. Only extremely gullible people buy it.

Of course muhammad wrote this garbage. Where is the proof that he couldn't read or write? What a convenient thing to say in order to help convince people!

[Haze993]

@ISLAMizCANCER Do you have proof that he could read or write? You believe a man wrote the qur'an? Man makes mistakes. The qur'an is far too advanced to be written by man. There are 1.5 billion muslims in the world today. Some of them devoted their entire lives to studying the qur'an. Yet, there isn't a mistake within it that diminishes their faith.

[paulbottomley42]

@Haze993

You believe a man could write the Bible? Man makes mistakes. The Bible is far too advanced to be written by man. There are around 2.2 billion Christians in the world today. Some of them devoted their entire lives to studying the Bible. Yet, there isn't a mistake within it that diminishes their faith.

See what I did there? Many Christians believe that exact same thing about their religion. What's to say who is wrongest? You? How could an outsider differentiate between either argument?

[Haze993]

@paulbottomley42 A scholar named Zakir Naik debated with a catholic priest and revealed indisputable errors within the bible. Why do all atheists assume that anyone religious just blindly believes? Believe it or not, even religious people ask questions. They're often answered by holy scriptures. In fact, even some christians believe that their scriptures were infiltrated and edited. The qur'an could not be edited because it was learned by heart. And taught through spoken words as well as writing

[ISLAMizCANCER]

@Haze993 Of course there are errors in the Bible. Christians admit that freely. But the fact that muslims are gullible enough to believe that the quran is the perfect word of allah is laughable.

Zakir Naik has some good arguments in favor of the existance of a supreme being, but nothing that demonstrates that islam the correct religion. Anyway, he also says that apostates who speak against islam should be executed. This severely detracts from his respectability and credibility.

[paulbottomley42]

@Haze993

I'm not as familiar with the Qur'an as with the Bible, but a quick Google search "errors in the Koran" reveals rather a lot of them. From outside, it really is very difficult to tell the difference. Christians always seem to have answers, however ad hoc, for the internal inconsistency and factual inaccuracy in their holy book. So do Muslims, from what I've seen. Its good that you're apparently approaching your faith with a critical mind though, I appreciate that.

[ISLAMizCANCER]

@Haze993 The only thing "advanced" about the quran is how to get people to follow ridiculous bullshit that's obviously made up. It's easy enough: promise wealth and women to anyone who follows you, and murder anyone who criticizes you.

Don't you think it's even slightly suspicious that nobody witnessed muhammad talking to allah? And only he was allowed to? And everything that "allah" revealed seemed to benefit muhammad? The unholy quran was written by muhammad, for muhammad.

[Jas2davir]

spartans were not muslims the persian were :|

[aklotz]

Do you not agree that pretty much every religion says that it is the one true religion? What makes your religion's claim more valid than others'?

[JesusFollow1]

@aklotz

Hey just wanna say sthn that ya all relegions are saying that they are the true way to God ..bt for christianity it is not a relegion it's faith in jesus when u accept jesus as ur saviour u don't have to be called christian or to follow relegiouse stuff all wt u have to do is to follow Jesus the saviour :)

[Ravenmongoose]

@aklotz

Uhm I think the Quran claims that God has perfected his religion for man today, implying the validity of all paths to God but this being a perfect one.

[Slaytounge]

You make very bad points. "He creates you in the wombs of your mothers..." And "how can a man with no knowledge of embryology accurately describe what cannot be seen with the human eye". Everyone has at least a sliver of knowledge of it. You make it sound like he had no study of it, well either did I or most people before even his time, yet know that a baby comes out of a mothers womb. You know why? Because its fucking obvious and can be observed by seeing a pregnant women from the "outside".

[alihammadshahX]

@Slaytounge What about rest of the mentioned verses. ?

[alihammadshahX]

@Slaytounge Just ignore them because you don't have an answer from your monkey God. Fucking shit head piss off. These videos puts dicks in you fucking atheists and christians and jews. Tell me how does Prophet mohammad knew that universe came into existence by a big explosion and heavens and the earth was one.

You don't have an answer you will just say he guessed it by chance, and the rest are also gueses. You know what let you mom get fucked by 10 different man because she has rights, fkn cunt

[Slaytounge]

@alihammadshahX I have no idea what you're saying, you aren't conveying your thoughts very well and is completely scattered.

[alihammadshahX]

@Slaytounge kiss my ass. Got it now!!

[Slaytounge]

@alihammadshahX Lol.

[zevon1964]

@alihammadshahX Well, there's a way to win converts.

[zainmerchant]

@Slaytounge

read the part again. it wasnt about the womb at all. it was about the 3 stages the fetus goes through inside the womb, which is impossible to know back then

[Elvisdogg]

Weak.

[Elvisdogg]

some parts of islam are nice, but others are nasty, and some are profoundly immoral. Specifically, the sharia punishments, torturing unfaithful women to death, public execution of homosexuals, cutting the clitoris of little girls, killing of apostates and kaffir cartoonists, codifying wife-beating, all these things are highly immoral.

and your allah-thing is as real as the Easter Rabbit. Quran is clearly false, a real god would not require a book for communication.

[lb10128]

Qur'an (5:6) and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it

Qur'an (5:6) When it's time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can't find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. lol clean dirt! Even the blind can see Islam is man made.

[desicrypt]

@lb10128

It's the same water these days.

[lb10128]

@desicrypt The Qur'an recommends using dirt if you can not find water to clean your self for wudu. The moron pretending to be God when writing the Quran is slightly retarded only Muslims are more stupid for believe this nonsense.

[jonwvin]

if there was no sex you would not be here spewing out lies

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce

if you think having sex is a good thing, then I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

if you think you are nonreligious even though you're too dumb too realise you are an ATHEIST, then I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

if you think drinking and porn are good, then I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

'when confronted with the truth, some people love it. yet others, hate it and become arrogant."

I CAUTION YOU.

HEED WORDS OF ADVICE!

DO NOT BECOME ARROGANT!

[ChristianIce]

@SevTSnape

Of course i am an atheist, did you understand that just now??

I don't believe in invisible guys, I don't need them, i am a free person rejecting superstitions.

I am not afraid of religious threats.

I reject the holy spirit, allah, jesus, zeus, thor, ra and pinocchio.

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce yeah, and that's why you can't identify yourself as anything else

pinochio is just a toy

[ChristianIce]

@SevTSnape

yes, i have no hair color, no sex, no tastes, i am just an atheist, nothing else.

happy now?

Bye.

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce FUCK ATHEISTS

yes, it is

and, yes you are scared of the truth

you are an THEIST not a nonreligious

i cannot teach you your own language

FUCK ATHEISTS...FUCK ATHEISTS...FUCK ATHEISTS...FUCK WORSHIP OF SCIENCE

BYE DUMBASS

ignorant dumbass

[SevTSnape]

@SevTSnape 1st yes, there is

sex and porn are WRONG. it's not what good, normal people do

furthermore, it can get people pregnant out of wedlock and spread diseases like HIV/AIds etc

2 your WAY OFF

according to the CIA World , there are 6,790,062,216 (July 2009 est.) 9 months ago.

furthermore, ATHEISTS (YOU) are only 2.3% whereas nonreligious (people who believe in religion but don't practice) are 11.9%

as of 2006, 9.25 million people are in jail

[akkikr]

1) At big bang there was no earth it came 10 billion years after earth.

2) Put iron thing in context, that sentence dosn't mean anything.

3)Embryology what is written therewas known at that time, moreover bone and flesh is devloped together against what is written in quran

4) Remaining so called facts also needs context else they don't mean anything.

[SevTSnape]

really? would you like a second try? exactly how man atheists (statistics, please) haven't done those in the west? now that's reality.. first of all, under shariah law, the penalty for apostasy is death by an ISLAMIC COURT under ISLAMIC AUTHORITY in an authentically-run ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT if a person converted from Islam to any other religion in any part of the world not run by an authentic sharia court i.e. saudi arabia...there is NO penalty so, no.

[SevTSnape]

@SevTSnape

also, you'd have to understand the law first..

unlike human laws, God is the Most Merciful

these laws are very suitable and people-friendly

[kaduisaui]

ZERO STARS. This video is lame on too many levels. I hate religious idiots. I used to tolerate their stupidity but lately I am getting really sick of political correctness. So all you religious assholes can fuck off.

[fudge867]

quran? load of shit

[NurDebater]

@fudge867 How many pages have you read from the Quran- Did u foe example read the praise of Jessus and Mary in the Quran? Did you read in it the one should not pursue without knowledge?

[fudge867]

it's not just the quran mate, all of religion whether it be islam or christianity or whatever it's just a waste of time really. but yeah you have the choice to follow what u want, muslims/christians have an opinion about homosexuals, i sure have an opinion about islam/christianity. i'd rather be a bhuddist if anyway.

[RioGeenes]

Vote communism and we'll fuck up this lot. They won't tell anyone to convert ever again.

[EternalSSA]

yeah to be just and fair. Which means to allow others the freedom to live their life in peace and harmony. Muslims do not believe in that. They think it is moral and good to hurt and destroy non muslims. Islam is a lie and creates discord in this world. Muslims like christians are greatly deluded and caught in a spell of religious indoctrination. We do not need religions in this world. It is poison. If you believe in God fine but keep it to yourself.

[SevTSnape]

your post shows your ignorabce

[TheFightingwarrior]

im an aithest so i laughed at this

[NurDebater]

@TheFightingwarrior You surprise me because I thought atheist beleive in science and reson so they will not make an uninformed judgement - how may pages have you read from the Quran -eg what do u thin of the verse that says "A day with God equals a thousand days of your count" or the "The Heavens and the Earth were like a mass tsitched together and We have unstitched them and from water we brought forth every living thinf" - The perception u may get from the media is not Islam's realty

[SevTSnape]

idiot

it was meant for ppl like you

[whydid666]

most of these fact where either well known or previously know by the Greeks "also the heaven and earth joined before i separated them" that is so off and no you can't stretch that far enough to call it nuclear fusion one that deals with the small not large.

[NurDebater]

@whydid666 Though I m not sure is the point about the Greek is correct or not - what matter is the probability as the atheist would say. To set out a book that is consistently matches truthful reality not once or twice is something that deserves looking into - can there be harm in knowledge?

[whydid666]

@NurDebater

no we really discredit both the Greeks and Romans they had more science and math then the medevil ages, the Muslims you sacked the declining Roman cities found the libraries and tankful kept them rather burned them like the common conqurer practice, the revival of science was when Europe and Middle east started trading and rediscover the lost tomes held by the Islamic scholars, that was how they knew the world was round and some math, ect.

Also yes there is great harm in fantasy.

[NurDebater]

Yes following fantasy is bad - but how do differentiate between fantasy and truthful reality? eg I like the tests of sight, hearing and reason - and I hate wishful thinking and talking without knowledge - What about you?

[NurDebater]

@pikechris1 (Corruption has appeared in the land and the sea on account of what the hands of men have wrought, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, so that they may return) says the Quran, so the human race bear the responsibilty for the environmental disasters and they cannot all be blamed on God meaning Allah in Arabic. You may respectfully disagree, but this out Muslim perspective. Still, I think it is sad when people die in flood, wherever it happens. Don't u?

[SevTSnape]

no they werent

most of these were discovered 900+ years later

NO...confirmed by nuclear metaphysicists it is true

the entire universe was just one thing until it was separated

dont bs things on science. youre making science look bad

[PachucoDesigns]

Hm...nope...still not convinced. Sorry, but you fail

[JesusOrMuhammad]

muhammad did not even received his quran from allah he received it supposedly from angel gabriel aka a satanic spirit in disguise.. and the iron and embryology etc was allready known before muhammad was born.

[NurDebater]

@JesusOrMuhammad I do not like the name you gave yourself - I am a Muslim and love Jessus the Messiah and have great respect for his mother Mary. And we have many common moral issues that we agree on -

[SevTSnape]

more bs claims

iron was not found until 400 years ago

the embryonic cycle was found 80 years ago

DO SOME RESEARCH

1. the quran came by word..NOT PAPER OR PARCHMENT

2. Gabriel only disguised himself as a man. not was disguised. Gabriel revealed it from God because God doesn't come to earth

[stonetop]

Ha a good one! I've seen plenty of Christian versions of this and am reassured to see that the arguments don't really change. Someone should make a generic version of this so that religionists can just slot in the name of their deity and repost it.

[theheinzification]

@stonetop

lol, yes, thats a very good one! generic claims as they are so similar anyway ... would things make way easier. maybe we should give them numbers like in the menu in a chinese restaurant. makes things even better applicable. like: theist claims: "# 12" - atheist rebuttal withl: "# 3, 82, 97 and 312" (you know, the answer is usually more complex then a claim).

[jonwvin]

there is just noway i would beleive in such a religion that spreads hate and to kill a person because he is not of the same faith

[theheinzification]

@jonwvin

i disagree. if this would really be the truth, than we would have to accept it. of course there is no bit of evidence to do so. and even if, that doesnt mean that we would want to worship such a monster.

[jonwvin]

no evidence hahaha you are a convert i guess so you are looking thru rose coloured glasses he took as a bride a 6 year old child e had 9 wives where they are surposed to only have 4

[theheinzification]

@jonwvin

hey! how comes you know me? wow. youre totally correct. only thing i dont get: i converted from what to what?

[NurDebater]

@jonwvin This is not from scripture or the teaching of Prophet Muamamd - this the action of people deviating from the message -

[NurDebater]

@NurDebater I do not knw what you mean by the message - from my perspective Porphet Muhammad came to confirm the message of the Tourah and the Bible eg we are prohibited from making images of God, eating prok and have equivalents of the 10 commandments. Some of us course are hypocrits off course.

But I have no authority to speak on behalf of God and say that a bad thing happened as a punishment and I felt sad for Catrina Hurrucane victims, Hope I understood tour question

[SevTSnape]

you believe in the mass media lies

[theheinzification]

even if the quotes would really be of any scientific value, which i cannot see, it would in no way prove any kind of god. the information could come from the devil or a demon who claimed to be god for example. or another explanation could be: aliens with an impressive technology shared some of their knowledge. the latter is a more plausible assumtion, as you do not need to invite the supernatural, which is not observed nor theoretically explainable, whereas aliens are possible.

[SevTSnape]

the quran is scientifically accurate because MODERN SCIENTISTS have confirmed it

it's not only the accurate scientific detail, but also the historical detail, accurate solutions to corrupt economic systems, the flawless grammar and language

no devil or demon could know that nor do aliens exist

after seeing such accuracy, ppl are proven as fools if they continue to desist

[FemaChecks]

JESUS RULES!! ISLAM IS THE LIE!

[ShaykulIslam]

Awe inspiring video! My only constructive criticism would be the incorrect translation @ 7.20. 21:18 "Nay, we fling (send down) the truth (this Qur'aan) against the falsehood, so it destroys it, and behold it (falsehood) is vanished."

The Qur'aan is beautiful - there is nothing about "knocking out brains" or other Americanisms.

[ChristianIce]

Islamics say other religions are false.

Christians say other religions are false.

Jews say other religions are false.

Then they fight each other.

Religions are superstitions, and they resolve in wars, all the times.

When humans will understand that there is no god, and they don't need any to behave correctly anyway, we will have peace in this world.

[Aloosh12]

that doesnt prove anything

[Marvel450]

Refute one thing I said in my video sir. If a human being does not have the capacity or the ability to know a certain thing but still manages to inform us on this thing.. then explain to me where he got this information. This proves he is getting his information from a higher power and only the irrational person thinks otherwise.

[ChristianIce]

@Marvel450

Sir, I don't need superstions to behave correctly.

Feel free to believe in invisible higher powers, if that helps you.

Claiming a religion to be true while the other are false is a step to create an enemy.

That's very easy to understand, and should be easier for somebody calling himself "rational".

[Marvel450]

You keep saying superstitions and thats cute, but you still have not addressed any of the facts I shown in the video. Your argument is a fallacy and I am not trying to force you to believe in anything. All I am saying is prove the Quran was written by a human being. Prove to me a man in 6th century was capable of knowing that Iron came down from space. Prove that man with no educating could explain what doctors did not know even in the 1800's. Pick anything I said and refute it.

[ChristianIce]

@Marvel450

Let's say that a man understood that iron came from space.

Does that prove an invisible creator of the universe?

No it does not.

Newton undertood gravity, he was enlighted in some way ... does that mean that everything he did think was right?

No, he was an alchemist.

This little example shows you that if a person is right on one big thing, doesn't mean he is right on everything.

There is no evidence for god, just face it.

[Marvel450]

My goodness Mr. Ice. Newton studied mathematics for years before he came up with the theory of gravity. Thomas Edison worked at making the light bulb & it took 10,000 tries before he got it right.

But this is not the same as a man who never studied science and could not read a book. There is a difference between enlightenment and a miracle. The Quran contains accurate scientific statements which came from unscientific and uneducated person. This is proof that whatever he said was from God.

[ChristianIce]

@Marvel450

Even the statement about iron is far from being scientific, but it looks like science to you .. fair enough.

My point is the same.

There is no evidence for ANY god, and claiming your god is better than another puts you in a position AGAINST other religions.

People died for centuries claiming their god was better, but being blind to history seems like not a problem to religious people.

I don't believe in invisible gods, is it so difficult to accept?

[theheinzification]

@Marvel450/@ChristianIce

even if it looks scientific, a pure claim is by far not good enough to make it any evidence. the earth has even an iron core. so it cannot be added later, after the earth has formed. so thats assertion is rubbish and shows pretty obvious, that it was not devinely inspired.

[DIRTYDUNNZ]

The burden of proof is yours to prove that the Quran was God-inspired, since you're the one making the claim. Also, the scientific discoveries stated in the video were neither aided or assisted by "prophecy", but by the grunt-work of scientific research. And, for the sake of argument, if those scriptures were indeed predictions , it's a non-sequitur to attribute them to a deity, unless you can provide evidence of the existence of said deity and its participation in the event.

[SevTSnape]

I'm not quite sure why you keep citing iron.

THE IRON PART was an example to show that there are numerous things man didn't and still doesn't know.

There is numerous evidence for God. In the universe, the quran, the human body, nations in past etc

There is NO EVIDENCE for no God.

[theheinzification]

@Marvel450

please tell me, what on this planet did not came from space? so yes, iron came from space, just like ... hmmm ... everything else! iron is not at all foreign and is one of the most abundant elements (not only) in the earths crust. it was already present, when the earth was formed by gravitational forces.

although the quote isnt wrong in a sense, its rubbish. sad, how one can twist things to fit and has a brain that is trained to believe the nonsensical outcome.

[SevTSnape]

sure, you don't

guns, sex, murder, suicide, drinking, smoking, wars, porn, naked ppl, lying, backbiting, etc

everything you ppl do

if there was no religion, you'd have these just like you do in the west

[ChristianIce]

@SevTSnape

Sounds like texas to me, but wait, plenty of christians there :D

Let's erase religions and see if you were right!

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce

I am. Because these things are mainly

done by:

atheists

jews

christians

hindus

In Saudi Arabia, there's no wars, porn, naked ppl, incest, sex, and guns. Little to no murder, no drinking, little smoking and very little lying and backbiting.

The place is so safe that you can leave you car

unlocked at without fear of theft or robbery.

[tahboobi]

@SevTSnape

I agree and my English Christian Teacher also agrees.

[SevTSnape]

@tahboobi agree for what?

[tahboobi]

@SevTSnape

I live in SA and I can see that what you are talking about is true... even my English language teacher, who is christian and from the UK, agrees that we live in a safer place.

I am saying this to people who are fooled by their media. It doesn't show the reality of Arab and Muslim countries.

I hope they enjoy "democracy" while killing Iraqis and Afghans, not to mention Palestine and their support to the so-called Israel.

[SevTSnape]

@tahboobi yes, I agree

[SevTSnape]

@tahboobi agree for what?

[SevTSnape]

@SevTSnape

Atheists like to think they're better bet throught history it is they, jews, and christians who are interested in wars, fighting, bloodshed, sex, porn, theft, etc

[ChristianIce]

There is no correlation between atheism and fighting .. or sex, porn, theft etc.

Feel free to think what you want anyway, your opinion is not affecting reality.

An atheist can freely convert to any religion whenever he wants to .. but what is the penalty for apostasy?

Ops, it looks like you just failed.

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce no, but it's the non-muslims, atheists and christians mainly, that are most attracted to sex, to girls, to porn, to murder, to incest, to robbery, to suicide, to pedophilia, etc

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[ChristianIce]

@SevTSnape

Yep, that's why atheists are a minority in jails, less than outside.

Check your numbers again then come back at me with something more similar to reality and less to silly propaganda based on nothing.

Bye.

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce I'm not just talking about 'jails' as there's no punhment for sex or porn or fornication..

And, yes, my numbers are updated. As I said: the crimes I've mentioned are mostly done by atheists, Christians, and Jews.

and before you start spewing propaganda, don't say things which you have no knowledge of. I understand people might be blinded by the things/beliefs which they love. But blindness is NOT an excuse.. only facts are.

[ChristianIce]

@SevTSnape

1st. there is nothing wrong with sex between free and willing adults, nothing wrong with porn if actors / watchers have legal age.

2nd: Adherents c o m:

16% of the world's 6.25 billion people are non-religious.

1% of 8.75 million people in jail are non-religious.

Welcome to reality, you FAILED.

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce

1st yes, there is

sex and porn are WRONG. it's not what good, normal people do

furthermore, it can get people pregnant out of wedlock and spread diseases like HIV/AIds etc

2 your WAY OFF

according to the CIA World Factbook, there are 6,790,062,216 (July 2009 est.) 9 months ago.

furthermore, ATHEISTS (YOU) are only 2.3% whereas nonreligious (people who believe in religion but don't practice) are 11.9%

as of 2006, 9.25 million people are in jail

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce "Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic­/Atheist: This is a highly disparate group and not a single religion. Although atheists are a small subset of this grouping, this category is not synonymous with atheism. People who specify atheism as their religious preference actually make up less than one-half of one percent of the population in many countries where much large numbers claim no religious preference,

[SevTSnape]

@SevTSnape so, approximately there are 339,503,111 atheists

these atheist combined with agnostics, deists, secular people, and non-religious people constitute 1.1 billion people

face it. atheists are EVEN LESS than jews.

you and jews are small in number yet VERY loud

so, many atheists from this number would be in jail

i prefer to think of atheists as a demagogue. because you're not a religion nor are you secular yet very loud and very wrong..

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce such as the United States (13.2% nonreligious according to ARIS study of 2001) and Australia (15% nonreligious). "

Atheists, in conclusion are less than 1/2% of the world.

Agnostics, secular, nonreligious, etc are NOT the same thing

YOU are an atheist

Yet, I AM nonreligious

Those people who DO NOT believe in A GOD are called atheists. Nonreligious, secular, agnostics are lumped into your category.

Anyways, atheists are small. They always have been. As your own statistics show.

[ChristianIce]

@SevTSnape

So much effort to be so much wrong, you are funny.

By saying non-religious (and i did it for BOTH) i put together people that take their moral laws OUTSIDE "holy books".

But i am talking with someone that thinks that sexs between adults is WRONG, I shouldn't expect much.

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce looks like I'll have top TEACH YOU English..

irreligion: 1.

lack of religion.

2.

hostility or indifference to religion; impiety.

atheist:

n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

the difference is that a nonreligious person CAN believe in God but NOT organized religion whereas an atheist does not believe in A GOD AT ALL..

no, I'm saying sex between legally married, mature people is okay

DUMBASS when teens or unmarried people have sex and pop out unwanted

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce babies and get so many proiblems and break a female's virginity and modesty before marriage..where you love seeing naked women in streets and beaches and f***ing them, where you stare at them and go out with them like pigs, etc

THAT'S WRONG!

I am SPECIFICALLY referring to those who DO NOT believe in A GOD. Hence, ATHEISTS. NOT nonreligious, secular, agnostics, etc ONLY atheists

the reason you're all lumped together is because you are SIMILAR

[SevTSnape]

@SevTSnape your sense on free, public, unwarranted sex is exactly why I said that atheists, christians, and jews, are the worst in crimes

[SevTSnape]

@ChristianIce I'm not wrong. you've been wrong all along.You've just been scared of the truth

[gilkesk]

@ChristianIce

if you're rational you should acknowledge that if God tells you Islam is the only religion, in his words, and you tell God that God may not choose enemies from those He has created...

[theheinzification]

@Marvel450

in what way were the heavens and the earth joined together and how were they taken apart? what is/are "the heavens"? does that refer to outer space? rubbish again.

[Marvel450]

Mr. Rubbish... the heavens is everything besides the Earth in the universe and 21:30 is referring to the origin of the Universe where everything came from a single joined mass, they call it the Big Bang. There are no veils in the wombs, but there are 3 membranes not 2 not 4. Iron came down as most elements in the periodic table came down from space. You and I know this but how did an Arab in the desert know this.A man who could not even write his own name and had no internet access. Explain this

[ChristianIce]

You know what, you are right.

Your god decided to rest invisible to his own creation, knowing that everybody that will not believe on him without seeing him will spend the eternity tortured in hell.

But, hey, he was clear enough by telling somebody to write about some iron falling from the sky.

That also means that every non believers died BEFORE science could confirm this scientific prophecy is condamned to hell anyway.

And all of this, in your mind, make sense.

[theheinzification]

@ChristianIce

yep, its not easy to look until you find something, that could remotely fit with our modern understanding of the world. maybe a little twist here and there. and dont look too close. and even if its stil too far stretched, dont care. done.

but then: how can one know it was god, dictating it. again i have to ask. maybe it was the devil in disguise. if i look at the outcome, that would make way more sense in my mind. no different to the christian bible in that regard.

[SevTSnape]

idiot.

the iron verse was one example

God doesn't come down because humans would go blind if they saw Him

Each nation from Adam to Muhammad (600Ad-end) was sent a Prophet and guidance. It's the people's choice to follow after the message was given

[theheinzification]

@Marvel450

mr. marvelous ...? nice, interpreting anything into words, anything you like to. how do you know, it refers to that? although: a single joined mass is not called the big bang. and the big bang-theory tells about the expansion of the universe, not the origin. why is heavens in plural? because every object in space is heaven? ok, earth is our planet earth. but what has that to do with the big bang-theory or the origin of the universe? i dont find anything that fits even remotely.

[SevTSnape]

the arabic word for 'heavens and the earth' can be translated numerous ways

when said 'heavens' this refers to all creation in the universe and outside excluding the earth

scientists, unlike you, dont study the TRANSLATION. they study the Arabic part. because translationg from Arabic to English is not word written into stone

[SevTSnape]

no they don't

Christians, Jews, Muslim, Sabians, Zoroastrians are all People of the Book

All other religions/non-religions/belief­s/atheists/etc are spin-offs

only thing is humans changed the previous Books

Those humans who think 'they understand there's no god' are going to hell

religion is a belief

[Gnomefro]

Equivocation fallacy. Physical laws are the foundation of the universe, and everything in the universe abides by them by necessity. You then try to draw an analogy to what *other laws* humans *should* follow. This is a fundamentally different kind of law.

It's also worth mentioning that Mohammed's "just followers" in fact invaded all of north africa, the middle east, india and parts of europe. They murdered, raped and stole.(Sahih muslim 3371) hardly an example to follow.

[ShaykulIslam]

Muslims "murdered, raped and stole"?! Are you crazy! Our religion has SEVERE penalties for these sins. Get your facts straight before you try to make an argument.

[SevTSnape]

That's a fallacy there.

Things don't follow 'by necessity.'

The PERFECT order or orbit, the order of balance in the universe, etc had the universe been an accident or created other than by God, it would not have an EXACT pattern

The human part is still a law. The human body is a creation of God. The only thing science can do is tell how a body is made in the embryonic cycle. You can't give it a soul or a mind. The exact proportionate making is only God's doing.

[SevTSnape]

what others have done is not ALWAYS right