Stealth Dogfight: Talon/UCAV vs Terminator

[Russia2010]

ameriCUNT planes are so unreal haha. Only russian planes are, and only they rock!

[Etran1226]

dont call him UCAV call him edi

[FibrousLlama]

can someone translate the russian speaking?

[bloodtarkovsky]

@FibrousLlama

They say "Target ready for engagement". Sounds really stupid.

In general - this US pilot is a noob! When the dogfight begins with enemy sitting on your tail, it is not very good. Secondly, Russian pilots are something like noobs - they have almost perfect position to launch rockets or, ok, at least fire 20mm bullets into enemy. But they prefer not doing anything instead.

[FibrousLlama]

@bloodtarkovsky yeah. the russian pilot should have fired short range missiles but he only fired the cannon. and btw its 30mm cannon :D

[Bl00dShinobi]

i know the manuevers they are doing are like unrealistic and impossible but this scene makes my dick ROCK HARD!

[SorenityVids]

By far the most inaccurate portrayal of a dogfight that I have ever seen... ever.

[drifttech234]

that gotta be a damn good AI(artificial intelligence)

[nadoeloiskat]

How did they lost into the Russian territory?

From Tajikistan to N-Korea with a single refueling?

I know its a movie but when the movie tries to play real and then shows some pure BS its so damn irritating.

It should be in fantasy gategory instead of action.

[ChevronDanbira]

@nadoeloiskat

These prototype planes have the experimental SCRAM jet engines wich can  reach up to speeds of mach 15

[nadoeloiskat]

@ChevronDanbira In the movie they could reach only to mach 4. So the engines are probably ramjets.

[Ultranationalist941]

Putin and 9 russian airforce generals disliked this

[bagfullofmushrooms]

In sa movie the Russians were probly like WTF!!!!! To da f37s

[BusinessKi11ER]

I don't understand, why didn't the Su-37 do that 2:31

[mgoerndt]

@BusinessKi11ER I agree, they never really demonstrate the incredible manueverability of the SU-37 in this scene.

[sidd0123]

@BusinessKi11ER Doing this move is physically impossible, it would obliterate any plane that attempted to do this.

[Littlered188]

@sidd0123 The kulbit is not a physically impossible manuever it has been first preformed by the su-37 in real life at an airshow in the 1900's

[productNine]

@BusinessKi11ER Ever see a -37 do a kulbit with full loads of fuel and weapons?

[bloodtarkovsky]

@productNine You say SU can't show its maneouvrability with full loads? Well, you see, this American bird seems not to have any fuel or weapons. Pilot - double noob, cause you won't start dogfight without weapons and fuel, right? Another theory - the physical laws are not for American planes. Ok, ok.

[TheJawzzman]

Artificial intelligence always win, they are not sensitive to G-forces, plus they have reaction time much faster than the best pilot that will ever exists.

Man<Machine

Any Russian complains, just make your own movie, minding each other's business.

P.S. I'm not an American

[Shogo5000]

2:30 Risk of G-LOC : 100 %

[breaker1237547]

I love how he does a kulbit at 2:31

[gogogogoguck]

1:17 HOLY SHIT how much g must have he pulled?

[Counterops34]

Why does it matter who created it? There is nothing that says we can't have it nor was it copyrighted, That why no one can have anything nice because haters always arguing >:/

[iamsukaln]

I want to know what he said Russian pilots. Who knew

[Teamir33]

@iamsukaln

1:44 Lock on target

2:43 Can't see him

3:12 Lock on target

[iamsukaln]

@Teamir33 Thk.

and you can read in Russian Language , I want to know that Plz ^ ^.

[Teamir33]

@iamsukaln Sure...

1:44 Цель готова к поражению

1:58 Готовь катапульту

2:43 Не вижу где он

2:48 Something like: А где он? (I'm not sure)

3:12 Цель готова к поражению

[iamsukaln]

@Teamir33

Thank you very much ,and The Russain said '' Большое спасибо '' Right ^ ^?

[Teamir33]

@iamsukaln Yeah, np ^^

[iamsukaln]

@Teamir33 Thank you

And you can read in russain Language , I want to know that Thank you again ^ ^.

[alisamerflorin]

you american s are good in Sf movies and nothing more...same shit with moon landing ..same with planes .. you are still using Russian engines for you rockets .. and that is official ..Brits have more knowledge than you and they know what Russia is capable .. but with your peanut's brains ..and over-washed over all ... you believe your TV propaganda ..your country did not had any idea about stealth without Petr Ufintev .. Google was made by Sergei Brin ..and the list continues ..

[twinkstance]

@alisamerflorin dude... britain and america sucks... its germany and russia that have the real science.. just take a look back at 1940 and see when it all comes to matter. let me tell you what happens: germans build rocket. so does america and russia, germany builds a 1st jet engine, so does the rest. germany builds the nuke: so does the rest, germany builds first triangled aircraft, so does america in 50 years wich they did in 5... germany comes up with anti grafiti propulsion. now america..

[iamsukaln]

Who knew that the Russian pilot of what he speaks Russian? I want to know more. If both the reading and translation better.

[iamsukaln]

Who knew that the Russian pilot of what he speaks Russian? I want to know more. If both the reading and translation better.

[farboudnazeri]

sidd0123 Wrong it's a su-47

[Leathurkatt]

Oh yes, and last I checked the US had alliances with certain former Soviet states now. :P Main enemies are currently Taliban controlled countries and North Korea, along with a few totalitarian dictators who have oppressed, tortured, and murdered their own people. Duh... At least I realize these movies are not real and are not meant to be real. When will you guys learn that little fact? Hmmm?

[Leathurkatt]

It's just a movie guys, geez... You know, science FICTION, as in NOT REAL, get a grip already. Movies like these are meant to be for fun, not to represent realistic events. Seriously, lighten up and learn to enjoy life and have a little fun instead of taking everything so bloody damned seriously all the time. No wonder so many people die of stress induced coronaries... **shakes head and enjoys movie**

[Ultranationalist941]

9 people are sukhoi pilots... but then again.. this is BULLSHIT... 

[Vykuk123]

But lets face it ...this is mostly for the kids and to entertainment people . Just jets shooting,heroism,blood,womans and childrens usually dont die,evil russians/terrorists/inside enemy or atleast Aliens etc.. i am pretty sure everyone is aware of the hollywood style.

[Rabbitz106]

Top gun is better movie than this :S

[ajazaad]

again american propaganda against russians , i am sick of this

i hope american kids will surely like this and brag about having these animated planes for real .

[Vykuk123]

@ajazaad U can count on that ! They will tell u that Talon is the real deal xD

Anyways i like traditional design of the planes much more than this fancy Talons/UCAV and all that stuff.Its quite rare to see cool looking scifi jet fighter.

[Jacksack123b]

why can't planes have a back gun?! then they won't have tail chases like this!

[vfIskullangel]

All of these planes are garbage.

[ANimouz]

Typical american shit :D USAF plane eats 10 bullets and survives.. russian plane gets 1 bullet and burst into oblivion!

[sidd0123]

@ANimouz It's a movie dumb shit, get over it.

[ANimouz]

@sidd0123 I had enough of propaganda promoting movies from USA. SERIOUSLY. Fucking dipshit.

[sidd0123]

@ANimouz It's hollywood bro and an American movie. Don't russians have their own movies doing the same with the US?

[jorgecosta95]

@ANimouz You are right , but here the USAF planes are a lot better, prototipes in this case , and the SU-37 is a 16 yo plane.

[brethomuel786]

@ANimouz One bullet? looked like about 50-100 to me...

[productNine]

@ANimouz True, a Gsh-30-1 cannon is said to be able to down an F-15 of F-16 is as few as four or five hits, but in the movie the Talon is a hypersonic capable fighter, meaning it's made of some very tough stuff.

My qualms are 1) why didn't the Russian cannon rounds explode on impact (they using training ammo or something? and 2) the bullet hit in a straight line... which would never happen.

They sure did some homework though. The Terminator is the proposed 2-seat variant for sale by Sukhoi.

[alisamerflorin]

romanian hacker ...implanted some virus ....american's can win only in mouvies against russian planes and pilots ... the fact is that forward swept wing s airplane ...happens to be a russian one ... SU -47 ...and is very advanced ...it is considered to be 5 th generation ... but they will build another one ...even more advanced ... as a continuation of the PAK -FA program ... So ... this thing can happen only in movies...like the moon landing ..US ...propaganda ..

[TheHalomaniacman]

@alisamerflorin haha what a laugh you idiot russian planes have nothing on united states fighters russian"stealth" fighters they claim to have arent even fourth generation nowdays an f-15 eagle which is 30 years old couldve tooken on htose terminators rusiian planes suck

[sidd0123]

@alisamerflorin You fail to realize that the "Switchblade" wings that you are mentioning were created by Northrop Gunman in 1999 and the F-22 Raptor can kick your SU-47's ass. Really, your talking about a plane that is still in the testing stage. We already have a 5th gen stealth fighter, and we're working on a 6th gen. Like always, Soviet Russia will always be behind the US in military technology and strength. Oh and our Spec Ops teams are 5 times better then Speztnaz.

[farboudnazeri]

@sidd0123 Hi i'm not even going to argue with you because your ackward. But both USA and Russia will not ever attack each other again. Infact they are beginning to become allies. Also Talon 1 is an Su-47

[sidd0123]

@farboudnazeri Thanks for the compliment, being awkward is better than being all the same. But you are right, both nations are beginning to become allies and as for Talon 1 is is an American twin-engine supersonic jet trainer, not the Su-47.

[NewbeFeaster]

You dont see air combat scenes like this any more, very well put together.

[Tigergruppen88]

biased hollywood nonsense

[UNpilot15]

EDI: The if it's not real, why did they implant it in my brain?

Ben (Talon 1): To give you something to do on a rainy day!

[CmdrTobs]

What I think is lulz is the non-thrust vectoring fictional US navy plane does the short cobra type loop manoeuvre against the Su-37.....

[rexregum]

@CmdrTobs it's called the magic of CGI... personally do you seriously think we're gonna see any kinda of these aircraft anytime soon given previous projects were so incredibly expensive and yet to be exploited fully?

[CmdrTobs]

@rexregum Yes yes its a film..... I was just mentioning the poor consulting in regard to that sequence.

[B777LR]

Yeah right, coz the Russian Air Force would only respond with 2 aircraft...

[ElliotDrinksWater]

@B777LR lol i agree, if this were real the Russians probably would have sent like six MIG-31's

[sidd0123]

@B777LR Usually, the have a few planes on stand-by not the entire air force.

[mgoerndt]

Felt bad for the Russian pilots in this scene. They died just because a crazy computer decided to invade their airspace.

[sidd0123]

@mgoerndt Yea me too.

[jorgecosta95]

@mgoerndt It is a movie.

[reyden1982]

Sorry for my bad english

Weapons system in Talon/EDI cdn.

AA and AGM ( Air to Ground ) missile - mostly not cleared what desing are used .

And machine guns -probably gattling type high calibre (20+ mm ) canons .

But again not cleared what type of canon used .

Mayby missile and cannons are part of Talon / EDI Program .

Stealth system :

Are active ( plasma generator or antiradar generator ) or passive systems ( RAM technology , proper hull design , internal weapons bay ) ?

cdn ...

[reyden1982]

Su-37 Speed for comparison - Mach 2.3 MAXIMUM .

Even Talon and EDI lost stealth , still are more speed to evade combat .

Talon probably can fly with Mach 7-8 Speed - still able to chase EDI .

Plane construction -

Both Talon and EDI are constructer for speed and stealth - forward sweaping , variable geometry wing ( Talon are use switchblade type wing ) , RAM materials and proper line .

All weapons loaded internaly , no external hardpoints visable .

Weapons -

AA / AGM missile - cdn...

[rexregum]

@reyden1982 actually it's pretty rubbish, if i had an imaginary plane that could go up to 7-8 times to speed of sound (ignoring current limitations in engine and materials technology) why even tangle in close combat? just zoom and boom.



[sidd0123]

@rexregum Actually, they are using 2 PDWEs which are Pulse Detonation Wave Engines, experimental as of right now, but powerful enough to propel a craft with the proper designs to mach 5.

[reyden1982]

Good action movie - cool planes ( F/A-38 , UCV EDI ) , but some errors .

If that plane woult'be exist in real - Su-37 , even Su-47 no chance to win that combat .

Speed , stealth , greater combat Manoeuvrability .

What tech used in these planes - what see :

Engines :

Probably mix of pulse detonation and ramjet/screamjet engine ( Creally stated that EDI have screamjet afterburner ) .

Speed :

Mach 4 confirmed for both , EDI afterburner tech sugessting Mach 7+

cdn . next comment .

[ShaneFrakes]

IN SOVIET RUSSIA PLANE SHOTS YOU

[Malodorok]

Ridiculous. Two American warplanes over Lake Baikal would invite a massive VVS response, not two planes.

[birdy711]

can someone translate what the russian guys are saying for me??

[Maarten26]

Talon 1: The Caviar Sweep is not real, its just some disgusting german scheise movie thought up in some dirty toilet somewhere.

EDI: Confirmed. Observational status only.

[airsoftguy85rocks]

in this movie the amerian plane is better than the russian planes but in real life the russian planes could own the american planes like the ak-47 owned the m16 rifle!!!

[0612Devil]

@airsoftguy85rocks

Funny, but how many AK wielding Haji's are being wiped out daily by Marines/Soldiers with M16's & M4's? Yeah, I thought so...

[MrTheaterjunkee]

same as georgians with m16 getting fucked up by the russians.LOL

[leifbriddle]

@0612Devil We have superior training, logistical, and combat support. The M4 does it's job well, but there is better.

They have left over 155mm rounds. We have JDAMs. We win that one.

[sidd0123]

@airsoftguy85rocks Depends on the type of plane and pilot.

[jeremy132]

he actually performs the kulbit manevoure (the F/A 37)

[thesparitan]

finally, a video with the actual sound from the movie.

i love you man, you are cool.

everytime i watch this video it always had some stupid dubbed sound and music in it.

[lagendarock92]

who knew what is this movies?can give a title?

[SM8101]

STEALTH

[sidd0123]

@lagendarock92 The movies name is called Stealth

[mirageDart]

i like 2 c it against the EFA 2000 or the SU47 ☣

[Tigergruppen88]

i like that russian accent

[666supersinistro666]

SU-37 RLZ!!!!

[RWLER]

not a prototype is more like an advance version of a GREAT plane (su-27). and not because is a few years old is going to be easy to beat. the F-15 is older but u cant down it so easy.

[CrippledPidgeon]

While yes, the Su-37 was an update to the Su-35/27, it was still a prototype. IIRC, only two airframes were converted to Su-37s, and were converted back to standard Su-35s later.

[Xenocidal]

So, if they were Su-47's EDI and Talon 1 would have been SOL. D:

[llynellyn]

LMAO, we are only 21st century superjets, the chances of beating a pair of prototypes from 1996 in single combat are less than 9%

who made the talon/EDI skoda?

[verdebusterAP]

you guys do realize that in all honestly

if the Talon had taken that many hits from a 30mm cannon, it would have tore his plane apart

[xero993]

Quite true although I wouldn't be surprised if the Talons' skins were made of interweaved carbon nanotubes due to there only being 3

XD

[verdebusterAP]

only the A-10 and SU-25 would be able to survive that kinda of fire as their airframes are made to just to do whereas stealth airframe are made around stealth,

there is some survivability but not against direct fire ,

[xero993]

Not really, an aircraft can be made out of titanium and super glue and still be stealthy, all it takes is some consideration to shape during designing and a coat of RAM, etc.

I'd hate to imagine how expensive the Talon's would be but seeing as there was only ever 3 I could estimate each would cost about a billion. (Cost estimates of the materials for a carbon nanotube space elevator were about $10 Billion).

[verdebusterAP]

still leaves what the planes mission is

for bombers, yeah that would work, fighters are a whole other animal

a billion is about right, pretty cost a more than half for EDI,

[NexAngelus405]

I think that it would most likely be buckypaper, which is a paper-like carbon composite made from flattened carbon nanotubes. They are 500 times stronger than steel in terms of impact tolerance and are heatproof as well.

[Frostbite249]

@verdebusterAP

Can't really say that without knowing the Talon's stats. since it's a fictional plane, we'll never know.

[verdebusterAP]

@Frostbite249 ,actually we can, during the movie, jessica biel's plane was damaged from when jamie foxx plane was destroyed, which pretty means that if that can easily damage her plane, then direct fire from a 30mm , in this case 6 or 7 hits

nope, not a chance

[Frostbite249]

@verdebusterAP

Oh yeah, I remember now...

Yeah I guess he would've been toast in reality.

[TheHalomaniacman]

@verdebusterAP not realy all USAF fighters have redundant systems in case of fights like that which in all honesty wouldnt have happened because EDI did have missiles left therefore it would have been a long range missile engagement anyways you see hollywood in this movie and not enough military fact

[Rabbitz106]

@verdebusterAP I would say that in real- life the Su-37 would have bagged talon 1 the area were it hit looks like engine area unless the aircraft have a very strong fuse wish i would believe it didn't because the talon is way to agile to be a hard materia plane :S.

[verdebusterAP]

@Rabbitz106 ,there could be armor there but again, nothing that could stand that many direct hits

[sidd0123]

@verdebusterAP Yea, but we keep forgetting that it's hollywood. As most, 1-3 shots in none vital areas are most that a plane can take.

[BlueAcid9]

So wait EDI the fucking superjet controlled by the super computer had a less than 9% chance against those two Russian jets? WTF!?

[verdebusterAP]

it calculated that Su-37s with 3D TVC and boresight weapons like the R-73 would be able to destroy EDI has nothing but AIM-120s and guns, no sidewinders

[DreamTraveller1]

That's if Talon 1 went alone. Hence, "we must fight as a team".

[TotallyAnnihilated]

That Talon SURE was some hot stuff... but what fireworks will ensue if it faces... the X-49 NightRaven?!

[m1ndfr34k117]

Why is everybody hating on this movie? Every piece of technology in this movie is at the very least a concept if not already made.

"Top Gun" was not realistic either. That little target that goes across the HUD, the planes flying in formation although they make it look like they are fighting, Maverick's ego. This has about the same realism as "Top Gun" minus the planes, which as I said, are atleast concepts.

[warhammerakias]

lol so unreal

[Drenix]

EDI: Then if it's not real, why did they implanted it in my brain?

Talon 1: They didnt, it was a troyan from some music you've dowloaded!

[kaleenmar]

@Drenix lol

[wikikomoto]

LOL turn off the sound in this video, then play What planet is this. by the seatbelts

ITS PERFECT!

[adsvid290]

less than 9%. I think it will be 99% for the talon!

[rtrThanos]

Thanks for posting this. What did you use to rip it? I've been trying to use DVD Shrink and Isobuster, but I keep getting menu errors. IIt makes me so mad, I own the DVD but I can't even make a copy of it.

[Drenix]

My favorite scene is where EDI counters the missile with a missile.

[ravan318]

doesn't really happens in real life

[adsvid290]

9 % of winning for the talon better make that 50% of winning.What is up with that? A Dream plane probably 5.5 generation vs. a 4.5 generation fighter? I Love the super maneuvers on this film!

[rtrThanos]

Keeping in mind this is just a movie and we don't know the "real" capabilities of the dream planes, or the "Terminator." If it is anything like reality, the Russian planes have better missiles. What I don't understand is why only 1 Russian missile is fired. If they don't need to VID the target and BVR is cleared, why not fire on both targets? Or ripple-fire, even better. Cool movie though. Need more fighter-jet movies.

[ravan318]

also the archers are the deadliest AAM in the world right now. if im the terminator pilot, firing 2 is feasible option..considering the terminators have more than 10 hardpoints

[ironfalcon100]

At the expense of strenuous G forces.

[Teamir33]

Talon have only 9% to survive in single combat.Nice)

[ubcs109]

i like the motorcycle sounds at 1:55

[BLINDONALTS]

flanker rulezz,holywood is bulshit !

[CountArtha]

So the Talon had its afterburner on chasing the UCAV...I always wondered how the Russians even closed to visual range without getting splashed.

[odyma43]

I know right, both the Talon an EDI should have owned both the terminators early on.

[Kupferstecher2007]

hmm thats not a su-37...su-37 was a single prototype....correct name:SU-35 Flanker-E

[DJMrei]

search wikipedia for su 37

wrong

[Kupferstecher2007]

ah k i meant that the su-37 terminator was a prototype for new technology :D .the russians had only one su-37 and it crashed 2002...i meant the su-35 is the serial version :)

[kirkjamestkirk]

funny dog fight but the director used a L-39 cockpit instead of the original Su-37. It's a shame! LOL (like F-5 instead of migs in top gun)

[Nsg73]

1:46

[YingtheGreat1]

so russians have relatively ancient planes?

[odyma43]

no, it's just that our planes are much more advanced

[vfIskullangel]

Not those planes. They fucking suck!

Even a Raptor would own a Talon and that UCAV

[odyma43]

no way, a raptor's computer aren't as advanced as a talon's, and the UCAV's computers make it FLY BY ITSELF

[vfIskullangel]

Man they had troubles with those Terminators where giving them a serious run for their money so I could only imagine what a Raptor would do.

[uhmidk7]

now if only the talon switchblade had thrust vectoring

[snakevenom56]

have any of you heard of the X-29? from what i've heard at the air and space museum, one of the three computers on it can fly the plane by itself

[FA37Talon1]

that is so cool! The chances of survival in single combat are less than 9%. Talon 1, we must fight as a team.

[Nsg73]

Hot!!!!

[Sajen999]

The chances of survival in single combat are less than 9%. Talon 1, we must fight as a team.

UCAV EDI pwns!