I agree what has Kobe done..Yeah somebody's gonna pop all of his statistics up, but really. He cried until he finally got an ALL STAR LIKE team to finally win a ring without Shaq. His being on the All Defensive team is OVERRATED, and a few times if not all he should not have been there. I can name at least 3 two guards who played better D than Kobe but because of who he is and the N.B.A.trying their best to make him the Next Jordan he got more credit than he deserved. The guy is a FLASHY scorer!
ok put it this way: Healthy and playin to his total potential, could Penny,playin in this era (not too far off from the mid to late 90's), been ever traded straight up for say Kobe,Lebron ,Wade,Melo, even D-Rose???? hell no.....personally,he never showed me enuff to think he could of...ya he was hurt alot,but when he was healthy and had big games,i wasnt thinkin "H.O.F."...get over it....he wasnt destined for legend status
LOL..i cant believe fuckin idiots have the AUDACITY to come up with an arguement that if Penny woulda ben healthy his whole career he woulda been better than Kobe...what possesses somebody to come up with that?? average jumper at best,decent post game,didnt have amazing hops,couldnt muscle anybody down low,average post game,..lookin back at penny's game,i would say he was a lil overhyped...he woulda been 2nd Team All-NBA his whole career..too many other guys better than him...
Penny at the time of his injury was GREAT, but he wasn't even close to a prime Kobe. PERIOD. Penny @ this time isn't even better than the Kobe of today, let alone 02-03 Kobe or 05-07 Kobe. That's blasphemy. I love Penny, but when people die young(in this case get injured young), we love to talk about what could have been and start to give players this unlimited potential they probably wouldn't have reached. Again, great player, but get real.
@kobeandjordan2324 EXACTLY...it feels like people pulls names outta hats and say if they were "this or that" they woulda been better than Kobe..... GTFOH....they nevr compare players to Wade or Lebron (they supiciously get a ton of more respect than Kobe), they gotta shoot straight for the top of the pile and single out Bryant.....i guess thats what happens when ur a REAL winner.......everybody guns for u
@Kingjd87: Penny's best year was 20ppg, 7 rpg... granted,he did have a lot of injuries, but 6 seasons below 10ppg???? career was 15ppg...."better than Kobe in his prime"???? SMH
@626SupremeLogic penny was all nba 1st team(and was legit) before his body started breaking down. similiar to grant hill who was an all star every year in the league(95 to 00. 99 had no all star game due to lock out) before his body started breaking down. penny was an all around talent with athleticism. those who remember if he played today he would dominate. penny was an all around player. scored big when it counted(such as back to back 40 pt games 97 playoffs) and gave the bulls fits
@626SupremeLogic never seen the best of hardaway. injuries. from 95-98 only guard better was mike. would beast these players today. more than athletic enough. face up. post up. passing. beast.
@sclxtrm LOL..wow,ur pretty defensive,with the name callin and all....still,ur wrong..its pure bad luck and it was unfortunate that Penny had lost all those games to injury,but thts how the cookie crumbled for him..and had he been healthy all those years,i still doubt he woulda been at Kobe's level....and Iverson,under any circumstance,would never have been better than Kobe,he was purely one dimensional...scorer and thats it..and than at his size...cmon,come with some better debating material..
@626SupremeLogic He could've very easily been at Kobe's level had his legs held up. As for Allen I, he never had the support. Given his 5624 career assists, I'd say he's a little more than a scorer. Do you understand basketball?
@upabittoolate man, we aint talkin about Vince Carter or T-Mac, we are talkin about KOBE.....stop comparing Iverson and Penny to him.. only 2 out of 10 hoops fans would agree with u.....ur whole argument is on some "What If" shit..for that matter, i think a healthy Grant Hill woulda been better than a healthy Penny..Penny only had an average perimeter game,wasnt a strenth type player,wasnt known to be clutch,had no post game.........come back with something worthwhile......
I'm even inclined to say T-Mac had support and knee issues too. But that ain't the point. Penny could've very easily been in that same sentence as Kobe & Mike. 2 out of 10 real hoops fans actually studied & witnessed the game. Evidently you haven't. That's fine. But don't bring your nonsense to a real head. It's always tough to make the slippery slope argument. But with Penny, you have actual data. A healthy Grant Hill doesn't have as high an upside as Penny. You must be 20something.
@upabittoolate Sigh...ur debate is STILL "woulda,coulda,shoulda,"......and ur actually talkin to a real head too....and my personal opinion is that fully healthy, Penny wouldnt have been on Kobe's level....they are two different players,plain and simple......Penny no doubt coulda been something special had he been healthy,but a Kobe Bryant comes around very rarely.......
@upabittoolate well.no matter what i say ur gonna berate me...im 35 and i knw know a hell of alot about basketball...u do too obviously....but i just dont agree with u...we agree to disagree! Lol...
@626SupremeLogic You're probably more like 25. And you obviously don't know anything about basketball. The reason you disagree is because you're wrong. Penny's wheels were shot. That's the only reason his career narrative doesn't read like Mike & Kobe.
@upabittoolate man,get the fuck outta here..i was tryin 2 be nice 2 ur little dumb ass cuz ur believing in a fairytale nobody will agree with....talk about a player that had a relevant career not some dude who didnt live up to his potential....and if anything,compare him to somebody else,not the best player in the game today....ur a fuckin idiot,who are u gonna talk about next? u gonna say J.R. Rider woulda been better than Kobe if he wasnt such a knuckle head?? stop commenting, fuckin kid
@amunrahII Penny is a zillion x > that TMac. And had injuries not runied his career, Penny would be mentioned in the same breath as Mike & Kobe. You can't argue that.
@upabittoolate yes i can argue that he never played d. secondly he was less athletic than mike and kobe also wasn't on par as a shooter. also what you think happened to tmac injuries i could see tmac mentioned with kobe and mike
Why are there so many dislikes? Y'all Kobe dickriders refuse to admit good plays against Kobe. I'm about Kobe all day and even I can admit that he got cooked.
Offense - shooting, passing, dribbling, slashing, footwork. Defense - footwork, post defense, perimeter defense, rebounding. intangibles - clutch factor, work ethic. Strength - injury resistance, longevity, competitiveness, winning . Remind me which one of these categories is Hardaway even sniffing Kobe's socks?
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In the mid-90s, Penny was Jordan's and Pippen's toughest match-up. In my opinion, his offense and defense were better than Pippen's, but just below Jordan. The problem of course, was that we didn't get that talent for very long due to the injuries. I remember watching many plays were Jordan and Pippen could not stop him 1-on-1.
Pennies game was better then kobes game early in kobes career but kobe got his game from Jordan and crafted it into his own... I say Kobe better then penny but we will never know...
@Boneyslim88 Injuries doom penny career. His peak was from 93-97. After that he got a serious injury blow which saw his career went down.I think had it not been for that, he would of been a playa averaging about 23-25 points 7-9 assist, and 6 RB career type.
he also shot 50% fg during those years while averaging 7 assists, 5 rebounds in his sophmore year! PPG means nothing if your not efficient. Penny is a boss, and we never got to see his prime.
@barnicalbob121 7 assists and 5 rebounds are "beast" numbers??? LOL......cmon,man...the dude showed flashes of brilliance,as do alot of guys who never quite reach that level.....ya he put up respectable numbers and had he stayed injury free,he may have really been exceptional......but i doubt he woulda been up there with the greats....healthy, he woulda been 20,22ppg for his career....hardly beast level
@Dqson @amunrahII both of you are ignorant dumbasses. you must've never watched penny play to think that comment doesn't make perfect sense. either that or you ride kobe's dick either or.
@THEJustinSimmons Ooo is that so... Well.. We can look at championships, mvps, and simply achievements. Watch who you're calling ignorant. And know your shit faggot. Kobe is considered to be one of the greatest players of all time. Right up there with Jordan. I'll give Jordan the edge because of his personallity combined with his skills and the fact that he has so many trademarks. But Kobe definitely has done twice as well as Penny already and he's not done.
@Dqson Okay let's start with this: a player's achievements have nothing to do with their overall skill. And the 2 years penny showed out he was named an all star twice and all-nba twice. Kobe is great, but what has he really DONE? Who patterns their game after him? is that even possible? has he changed the game at all? i mean, ask LeBron James who he patterned his game after. Ask T-Mac, ask Shaun Livingston. Penny Hardaway changed the game for players at his position in just a span of 2 years.
@THEJustinSimmons it's obvious, Tmac idolized penny, his offensive moves are patterned after penny. He can also play point well apparently I can see the similarities from a mile away. But penny will always be the smarter player, one of the smartest to ever play the game. imagine if penny had a scoring mentality he'd score the lights out. growing up, these 2 were my favorite players along with brandon roy in this era.
@THEJustinSimmons perhaps the fact they're both shooting guard and coahed under phil jackson? could you asked anything more stupid? lol. your very first comment is still ignorant to me. What has kobe done? win 5 champs, most dominant shooting guard of his time in this era, school youngers like wade, james, etc and still play through injuries? could you get anymore better than that? Please you bad...
@ss4chris89 lmfao dude. Are you retarded? You can honestly tell me Kobe plays like MJ?? Have you ever watched a 90s Bulls game in your LIFE? I think you're mistaking my first question for ignorance when i was wondering what has he done that can be written in the history books (obviously, other than championships and awards) because a player can't be defined by their achievements. Also are you saying every time Kobe goes against Wade or LeBron he "schools" them? Give me a break...
@THEJustinSimmons have you seen the comparion vids and documenatries jump shot and clutch wise? lol. yeah i have man. A player is defined by their accomplishments. look at all the top 50 players lol. you just dumb.
Im saying all the times kobe has met with lebron or wade (same team now lol ) he out performs them. yeah. man this nigga dumb.
@ss4chris89 First of all, you're not black; don't call me nigga, fool. Secondly, of the 50 GOAT's: Charles Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Dave Bing, Pat Ewing, George Gervin, The Mailman(Karl Malone), Pistol Pete, John Stockton, and Nate Thurmond have NEVER won a championship and even more of them have NEVER won an MVP. Both of those are the biggest accomplishments Kobe has ever done that other players haven't already achieved. Finally...(cont'd)
@THEJustinSimmons nigga. speaking in complete sentences. not text. lol todays generation is right looking at you. Bet im older too. jumping to conclusions man.
@ss4chris89 Today's generation of people. You made the assumption that you "won" what we were discussing which not only makes you sound like a 5 year old, but a girl. What were we fighting over? I was simply trying to show you my point of view, but then you get mad and tell me to "get off your dick" like most kids would do in a mature situation like that. Come on, if you really are older than me, act your age! By the way, "speaking in complete sentences" isn't a complete sentence.
@ss4chris89 ah, so you are a kobe dickrider i see. Stop being so close minded and just LOOK at the points i gave about how Penny is more INFLUENTIAL than Kobe will you? I never once said he was a better player because it would be unfair to penny to make that sort of comparison seeing as penny only played 3 All-Star caliber years of basketball.
@ss4chris89 (Im expecting some kind of assholeish response from you so here's what i wrote...read it AGAIN please) "of the 50 GOAT's: Charles Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Dave Bing, Pat Ewing, George Gervin, The Mailman(Karl Malone), Pistol Pete, John Stockton, and Nate Thurmond have NEVER won a championship and even more of them have NEVER won an MVP. Both of those are the biggest accomplishments Kobe has ever done that other players haven't already achieved. Finally..."(cont'd)
@ss4chris89 "Any video can make a player look good(there's a video right now on here that makes Kwame Brown look like the next Dwight Howard)! But hey, I'll give you the clutch performances part. Kobe is one of the greatest clutch performers of all time. And also, just to prove I'm not a hater, he's one of the greatest guards of all time as well. I just don't think his style will still be around in the next, say, 20 years and Penny's still will."
@THEJustinSimmons thats cuz kobe's style is unique. ofc it wont be around. and neither will pennys. yeah shame his career cut short. final appearance. x.x
@ss4chris89 dude. we're back to where we started again!! smh....i fucking explained that like 5 comments ago and you responded with some shit like "get off my dick" go back and read it
@ss4chris89 Any video can make a player look good(there's a video right now on here that makes Kwame Brown look like the next Dwight Howard)! But hey, I'll give you the clutch performances part. Kobe is one of the greatest clutch performers of all time. And also, just to prove I'm not a hater, he's one of the greatest guards of all time as well. I just don't think his style will still be around in the next, say, 20 years and Penny's still will.
Penny didn't change the game for two guards. Jordan had already accomplished that. All Penny was, just like Grant Hill, was the next in line to carry that torch. He was Kobe before Kobe. Hall of Famer for sure if he never got hurt. But changed the game? Nah. You're way off base with that one.
@Fearstrikess Penny has no similarities to Kobe whatsoever. I also don't recall saying Penny changed the game, I just said he influenced other players.
You insinuated he did. All Good though. My comment wasn't saying Penny and Kobe were similar, it's saying that Penny was supposed to be what Kobe is today in the basketball world. Not that they're games are alike.
@Fearstrikess In that little excerpt you made there i was asking if Kobe changed the game at all, never really implying whether penny had though. Either way I'm still confused as to what you're trying to prove.
LoL. Iight. I was just saying the way you worded it made it seem like you were insinuating or implying that Penny had changed the game. Not trying to prove anything bro, I just wanted to get a clear explanation on that. You get what i'm saying?
Do not dodge the notion that you seemed to suggest Kobe hasn't done anything. That is the most absurd comment I have ever heard, how do you even justify that? Kobe Bryant is the most influential basketball player since Jordan, so what the fuck are you talking about? I guess none of Kobes many accolades mean anything? The more appropriate question is what HASN'T he done? What does Kobe have to do in order to have "DONE" something?
5 rings, 2 Fnals MVP, 1 MVP, 13 x All Star, 9 x NBA first team, 9 x defensive first team, 4x Nba all star game mvp, doesn't any of this count as Kobe having "done anything" or am I missing something? If Kobe hasn't done anything, who has?
@2pacinseattle I never doubted he was a great player, I have no clue where you're getting that idea. I understand everything Kobe has accomplished and respect him for what he has achieved...but he has done absolutely nothing to change the game. Also, chill with the MJ comparisons.
@2pacinseattle Without penny there wouldn't be/wouldn't have been players like LeBron, T-Mac, Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy. If you ask any of them who they patterned their games after it was Penny Hardaway: one of the first players to make the forward position a point guard position as well. He only played 3 years of all-star caliber ball, man. Just 3 YEARS! C'mon how much more can I dumb it down for you?
Penny didn't create them, of course there would be a Lebron without Penny. These players develop there own game, what, you think they don't have a clue how yo play then suddenly they say " I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE PENNY!", no, they play the game how they want. It just so happens they are all of similar size. And if you really want to go in to, they learned from Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson, those two are the original PG/ forward, not Penny.
@2pacinseattle Oscar Robertson was a point guard regardless of his height. As well, Magic was a true point guard in the later stages of his career but you're right: he paved the way for players like Penny to make their mark as legitimate 123's in the league. But, back to your bazaar first point, yes as a kid you do watch your favorite player on television and idolize yourself/pattern your game after THEM. I have no idea where you were going with that one.
OK , but show me where Lebron, Joe Johnson, T Mac, and B Roy say Penny is their favorite player. I know for a fact Jordan is Lebrons favorite.
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players can't pattern their game of Kobes very easily because it is too difficult to do so. Kobe copied Jordan and Kobe isn't even close to being as good as him. Thus, no other player would be able to play Jordan/Kobes game well enough to pattern their own on it. It requires too much talent.
@2pacinseattle Additionally, there really is no telling what Magic's true position was, seeing as he could play basically any on the floor. But Penny did idolize Magic and I didn't intend for him to go unnoticed. I also just realized you're really straying from the original point: Penny Hardaway opened the door for all the passing forwards we see in the league today and you really can't deny that at all.
If you say Kobe hasn't DONE anything yet Penny changed the game for players in his position, I would argue that Kobe is the second most influential SG ever, behind only Jordan. So he has changed the game, people that aspire to play the SG will look at Jordan and Kobe as the gold standard.
@teacherryen77 So true, I'm still upset that Shaq left for LA, they would've been a better team in Orlando than even his 3-Peat team in LA if he stayed.
@Kingdj87 - Amen! The things Penny was doing at such an early stage of his NBA career was nuts and would have only gotten better. Too bad injuries are a part of the game :(
the only reason anyone would say penny is better than Kobe is out of dislike of Kobe.
when Jordan retired Penny was already a star while Kobe was just starting.
at one point after Jordan retired Kobe and Allen Iverson were the players to watch. then 2003 came and gave us the next two stars in Lebron James & Dwayne Wade.
That's not true, Iverson was a star before Kobe. They came into the league together but AI won ROTY and many many many more honors including an MVP way before Kobe. Also T-Mac was huge in the early 2ks especially on the Magic.
@noformstyle And then you woke up out of that DREAM you was having if you believed Penny couldn't score a lot of points. Hell, I can name 10 players who could have done it IF, they were SELFISH enough!!!!!!
I agree i doubt he will go to the lakers. I am thinking somebody who is competitive. I think it's more likely west coast if he made that transition. Who you think will win this yr NBA Champion? I know people say the lakers, but they look more vunerable. Spurs look like a weak number1 team. Bulls they are decent but not like jordan's bull. Celtics can take them out. I think heats or the celtics will emerge out of the east. The west is tricky. Either dallas, or lakers.
@Thutmosis7 I riding with my Boston Celtics. Believe it or not, in the West I'm putting my money on Oklahoma. Young yes, but, that first round experience with the Lakers last year I think helped them really get the experience they need. Durant's gonna do his thing, no doubt. Perkins is that toughness they need as long as he is healthy. If the bench can't hold their own then Okl. will be o.k. The deciding factor I think is gonna be Russell Westbrooke using his speed and size against Fisher!!!!!!
@dredae76 riding with my Los Angeles Lakers Believe it or not, in the East I'm putting my money on Miami
The OKC/LA is going to be a tough one— and so is the Miami-Boston game. I'm not betting on the bulls to win the 3rd round against either Miami or Boston yet.
@dredae76 Lakers are out. Got swept today by dallas. I know they were beatable. I saw it from the later part of the season who they look disfunctional. Still with them out, definitely there is going to be a new champion crowning this yr. It could be dallas? They look mentally strong. Miami look like they could seal the deal with celtic bang up big times. I think bulls will lose. They are not as strong like the old bulls. OKC blew big lead to grizzles the other night. Down 2-1
@Thutmosis7 I'm in Afghanistan ( only 4 wks to go thank God), so we get the game late. Woke up feeling bad got on FB and everyone was talking about the Lakers losing. Brighten up my whole day. Well, both my teams are out. Boston lost, and I'm from Ga. and the Hawks are out. Still not ready to give up on OKC, but, if Dallas is as HUNGRY as they appeared to be against the Lakers, then Miami, who I think will take out the Bulls better watch out. Would love to see J. Kidd finally win one!!!!!!
@dredae76 We got game 7 tomorrow for OKC and memphis. Also the first game of the nba eastern conference between the bulls and heat. I think dallas will be in the final.
@Thutmosis7 I see. As much as i like Lebron and Co. I'm actually leaning more towards Dallas, ONLY, because I'd like to see J. Kidd finally get 1ne along with the rest of the crew. J. Terry, Dirk, Matrix, Caron, etc. Plus, it's only a matter of time b4 Lebron and Co. win 3 or 4 anyway, so I'd like to see Dallas get there's out of the way. I think Dallas' bench and experience ( but mainly the bench) will give them the edge over Miami!!!!!!
@dredae76 I get what you're saying. I know dirk is getting old and kidd could be on his way to retirement. I always wanted penny to get 1 too. I hope he consider coaching or maybe the magic could make him a GM. I think the magic can win, but they need a PG and probably a sidekick for dwight should they keep him.
@Thutmosis7 Yeah, I personally would have packaged all those overpaid players they had & traded them for Stoudamire. Even if you couldn't keep him it would have freed up cap space. As crazy as this may sound I would seriously try and go after Bynum and put him with Dwight. Bynum is effective as long as he's not the#1 guy,& drop D'wight back down 2 the PF position & let him dominate. I honestly feel the 2 can work together. Andre Miller for pg because he's a solid vet, or even go after Billups!!!
@dredae76 Didn't the knicks resigned billups? Andrew seem ok, but doubt the lakers will trade him or give him up so easily. Unless they get howard which would of made them a huge contender again. Kobe is going to need help cuz he can't do the things he did few yrs ago. His body is starting to weared and tear alot. What's up with dirk's injury finger i am hearing about?
@Thutmosis7 Haven't heard about his finger.1 more day 2 go in this hell hole & I'll be heading back 2 the states where I can finally watch the game ON TIME, lol. Yeah, with the way they keep complaining about Bynum I think the Magics should try & go after him some how. That way you have a talented Big Man 2 help out Howard in the paint, & who knows he may even stay healthy if he has Howard shouldering some of the burdens of the paint. Not sure about Billups, I thought N.Y. was all CP3 crazy!!!!!
@Thutmosis7 Back in the states. Happy that Dallas won. Guess I'll watch a lil WNBA since it doesn't seem like we'll have any other sports, WORTH WATCHING, this season!!!!!!
@dredae76 Yea both NBA and NFL are lockout until uncertainity. I don't know when. But it doesn't look good. Cuz i was hoping my steelers get revenge against the packers. But i guess that's on hold for a while now.
Dude i loved penny, even the commercials with lil' penny, just as much as the other guy. he was a beast of a baller that got hit with the injury bug, much like grant hill. we saw glimpses of his what his full potential could be but for guys to put down kobe because penny was a good baller is just downright ridiculous. i hate when people try to bring up someone by bringing down someone else. hatred is a female trait guys. cut that bullshit and lets admit they're both really good.
@Kingjd87 Not sure about the Jordan part, but, had he and Shaq stayed together I honestly believe they would have gotten more rings than Shaq and Kobe. Plus Penny got along with Shaq, and didn't mind passing the ball. Would have definitely taken it to Kobe!!!!!!
@dredae76 Agree with you on that. The thing that hurt being a magic's fan, is that the ownership suck. It's because of them magic a promising team was dismantle. Had the magic went and get a championship caliber coach like chuck daly shaq wouldn't had left. He told them to get rid of hill and they said no. Look what happen shortly after shaq left? They fired hill half way through the next season. They got chuck too late.
@Thutmosis7 Yeah, well they better get it together this, because if they lose Dwight Howard it's a wrap. I mean yeah CP3 is talking about going 2 New York & he still has another year left on his contract, but, since he'll probably leave anyway I'd go ahead & trade Jameer Nelson & a few more just 2 sweeten the pot, 2 try & get him. Maybe playing alongside Dwight & J-Rich he may stay. Don't think Howard would go 2the Lakers, but, heaven help the paint if he goes 2 the Clippers with Griffin
I agree what has Kobe done..Yeah somebody's gonna pop all of his statistics up, but really. He cried until he finally got an ALL STAR LIKE team to finally win a ring without Shaq. His being on the All Defensive team is OVERRATED, and a few times if not all he should not have been there. I can name at least 3 two guards who played better D than Kobe but because of who he is and the N.B.A.trying their best to make him the Next Jordan he got more credit than he deserved. The guy is a FLASHY scorer!
dredae76 1 month ago
@dredae76 stop hating...Kobe is one of the best of all time...
Domini478 3 weeks ago
Penny > Kobe
aminfrared 1 month ago 11
@aminfrared
LOL!
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
penny was that dude,i hate his career was cut short with injuries
cantstopthereign100 3 months ago
What a great 1 on 1 move
BroFuss1990 3 months ago
um sir, did you film this with a pencil sharpener?
CreamyJFluff 4 months ago 12
@CreamyJFluff um sir, were you not born in the 90's?
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@CreamyJFluff It's a TV broadcast. He didn't film it..
23fann 2 months ago
@CreamyJFluff hah ha
Rodes2Roelange 2 months ago
ok put it this way: Healthy and playin to his total potential, could Penny,playin in this era (not too far off from the mid to late 90's), been ever traded straight up for say Kobe,Lebron ,Wade,Melo, even D-Rose???? hell no.....personally,he never showed me enuff to think he could of...ya he was hurt alot,but when he was healthy and had big games,i wasnt thinkin "H.O.F."...get over it....he wasnt destined for legend status
626SupremeLogic 4 months ago
penny owns kobe
nikar679 4 months ago
LOL..i cant believe fuckin idiots have the AUDACITY to come up with an arguement that if Penny woulda ben healthy his whole career he woulda been better than Kobe...what possesses somebody to come up with that?? average jumper at best,decent post game,didnt have amazing hops,couldnt muscle anybody down low,average post game,..lookin back at penny's game,i would say he was a lil overhyped...he woulda been 2nd Team All-NBA his whole career..too many other guys better than him...
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
@marioTmaggot: "Kobe would have been carrying his bags"....get the fuck outta here,stupid
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
Penny at the time of his injury was GREAT, but he wasn't even close to a prime Kobe. PERIOD. Penny @ this time isn't even better than the Kobe of today, let alone 02-03 Kobe or 05-07 Kobe. That's blasphemy. I love Penny, but when people die young(in this case get injured young), we love to talk about what could have been and start to give players this unlimited potential they probably wouldn't have reached. Again, great player, but get real.
kobeandjordan2324 5 months ago
@kobeandjordan2324 EXACTLY...it feels like people pulls names outta hats and say if they were "this or that" they woulda been better than Kobe..... GTFOH....they nevr compare players to Wade or Lebron (they supiciously get a ton of more respect than Kobe), they gotta shoot straight for the top of the pile and single out Bryant.....i guess thats what happens when ur a REAL winner.......everybody guns for u
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
Jordan said that Penny was the one player who constantly bothered him and made him work.
utubeismessingwithme 5 months ago
@Kingjd87: Penny's best year was 20ppg, 7 rpg... granted,he did have a lot of injuries, but 6 seasons below 10ppg???? career was 15ppg...."better than Kobe in his prime"???? SMH
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
@626SupremeLogic penny was all nba 1st team(and was legit) before his body started breaking down. similiar to grant hill who was an all star every year in the league(95 to 00. 99 had no all star game due to lock out) before his body started breaking down. penny was an all around talent with athleticism. those who remember if he played today he would dominate. penny was an all around player. scored big when it counted(such as back to back 40 pt games 97 playoffs) and gave the bulls fits
chitownmo 5 months ago
@626SupremeLogic never seen the best of hardaway. injuries. from 95-98 only guard better was mike. would beast these players today. more than athletic enough. face up. post up. passing. beast.
chitownmo 5 months ago
@626SupremeLogic out of penny's 15 seasons, he was healthy for ONLY the first 4 seasons you dumbass. the next 11 season he was fucked.
and of those 6 seasons under 10ppg, he played a total of 137 games. which would be just 1.5 seasons idiot.
if im thinking like you are, iverson would be better than kobe since he has a higher career ppg.
btw funny account name you got there. supreme logic my ass
sclxtrm 5 months ago
@sclxtrm LOL..wow,ur pretty defensive,with the name callin and all....still,ur wrong..its pure bad luck and it was unfortunate that Penny had lost all those games to injury,but thts how the cookie crumbled for him..and had he been healthy all those years,i still doubt he woulda been at Kobe's level....and Iverson,under any circumstance,would never have been better than Kobe,he was purely one dimensional...scorer and thats it..and than at his size...cmon,come with some better debating material..
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
@626SupremeLogic He could've very easily been at Kobe's level had his legs held up. As for Allen I, he never had the support. Given his 5624 career assists, I'd say he's a little more than a scorer. Do you understand basketball?
upabittoolate 5 months ago
@upabittoolate man, we aint talkin about Vince Carter or T-Mac, we are talkin about KOBE.....stop comparing Iverson and Penny to him.. only 2 out of 10 hoops fans would agree with u.....ur whole argument is on some "What If" shit..for that matter, i think a healthy Grant Hill woulda been better than a healthy Penny..Penny only had an average perimeter game,wasnt a strenth type player,wasnt known to be clutch,had no post game.........come back with something worthwhile......
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
I'm even inclined to say T-Mac had support and knee issues too. But that ain't the point. Penny could've very easily been in that same sentence as Kobe & Mike. 2 out of 10 real hoops fans actually studied & witnessed the game. Evidently you haven't. That's fine. But don't bring your nonsense to a real head. It's always tough to make the slippery slope argument. But with Penny, you have actual data. A healthy Grant Hill doesn't have as high an upside as Penny. You must be 20something.
upabittoolate 5 months ago
@upabittoolate Sigh...ur debate is STILL "woulda,coulda,shoulda,"......and ur actually talkin to a real head too....and my personal opinion is that fully healthy, Penny wouldnt have been on Kobe's level....they are two different players,plain and simple......Penny no doubt coulda been something special had he been healthy,but a Kobe Bryant comes around very rarely.......
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
@626SupremeLog Out of curiosity, how old are you?
upabittoolate 5 months ago
@upabittoolate well.no matter what i say ur gonna berate me...im 35 and i knw know a hell of alot about basketball...u do too obviously....but i just dont agree with u...we agree to disagree! Lol...
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
@626SupremeLogic You're probably more like 25. And you obviously don't know anything about basketball. The reason you disagree is because you're wrong. Penny's wheels were shot. That's the only reason his career narrative doesn't read like Mike & Kobe.
upabittoolate 5 months ago
@upabittoolate man,get the fuck outta here..i was tryin 2 be nice 2 ur little dumb ass cuz ur believing in a fairytale nobody will agree with....talk about a player that had a relevant career not some dude who didnt live up to his potential....and if anything,compare him to somebody else,not the best player in the game today....ur a fuckin idiot,who are u gonna talk about next? u gonna say J.R. Rider woulda been better than Kobe if he wasnt such a knuckle head?? stop commenting, fuckin kid
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
@626SupremeLogic Dude, you don't understand the game. You don't get to talk anymore.
upabittoolate 5 months ago
@upabittoolate i like how you tell him he doesnt understand the game but you have no argument to counter his
xxMrRampagexx 5 months ago
@xxMrRampagexx You don't understand the game either. I bet you're not old enough to even remember Penny. You're not in the conversation.
upabittoolate 5 months ago
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@upabittoolate again you have no evidence or proof behind what you are saying. youre talking out of your ass
xxMrRampagexx 5 months ago
@upabittoolate penny isn't better than Tmac he wasn't on the Kobe lvl
amunrahII 4 months ago
@amunrahII Penny is a zillion x > that TMac. And had injuries not runied his career, Penny would be mentioned in the same breath as Mike & Kobe. You can't argue that.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@upabittoolate yes i can argue that he never played d. secondly he was less athletic than mike and kobe also wasn't on par as a shooter. also what you think happened to tmac injuries i could see tmac mentioned with kobe and mike
amunrahII 4 months ago
@amunrahII You're 25. You don't get to talk anymore. Consider yourself owned & kicked out of the conversation.
upabittoolate 4 months ago 2
Why are there so many dislikes? Y'all Kobe dickriders refuse to admit good plays against Kobe. I'm about Kobe all day and even I can admit that he got cooked.
DeePhatty 5 months ago
fuck Kobe and Lebron. Penny all day
guitarsANDcars39 5 months ago
Offense - shooting, passing, dribbling, slashing, footwork. Defense - footwork, post defense, perimeter defense, rebounding. intangibles - clutch factor, work ethic. Strength - injury resistance, longevity, competitiveness, winning . Remind me which one of these categories is Hardaway even sniffing Kobe's socks?
iszwins 5 months ago
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NBAonCHAMPTV 5 months ago
Did you record this with a potato?
iratebsc 5 months ago
@iratebsc
I know huh. the video is str8 shit
brandmoney 5 months ago
Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Both could've been Top 20 players, yet never reached their prime.
... i do not like the orlando magic trainers one bit.
sclxtrm 6 months ago
@sclxtrm don't forget TMAC
guitarsANDcars39 5 months ago
In the mid-90s, Penny was Jordan's and Pippen's toughest match-up. In my opinion, his offense and defense were better than Pippen's, but just below Jordan. The problem of course, was that we didn't get that talent for very long due to the injuries. I remember watching many plays were Jordan and Pippen could not stop him 1-on-1.
teacherryen77 6 months ago
listen penny hardaway is my fav. player of all time but he didnt cross him!! all he did was a crossover
kchoodsta 6 months ago
@MarqNMiTCH yeah u were a kid
so he's nice but u can't tell if he's good at that time since u didn't know much abt basketball at that time lol
a5401 7 months ago
Pennies game was better then kobes game early in kobes career but kobe got his game from Jordan and crafted it into his own... I say Kobe better then penny but we will never know...
Boneyslim88 7 months ago
@Boneyslim88 Injuries doom penny career. His peak was from 93-97. After that he got a serious injury blow which saw his career went down.I think had it not been for that, he would of been a playa averaging about 23-25 points 7-9 assist, and 6 RB career type.
Thutmosis7 7 months ago
Penny came into the league beasting. Had he not had the knee injury Kobe would have been carrying his bags.
marioTmaggot 7 months ago 5
@marioTmaggot This dude was never a "beast"....his best year was 20ppg..."beasts" do 30ppg....gtfoh......
626SupremeLogic 5 months ago
@626SupremeLogic
he also shot 50% fg during those years while averaging 7 assists, 5 rebounds in his sophmore year! PPG means nothing if your not efficient. Penny is a boss, and we never got to see his prime.
barnicalbob121 4 months ago
@barnicalbob121 7 assists and 5 rebounds are "beast" numbers??? LOL......cmon,man...the dude showed flashes of brilliance,as do alot of guys who never quite reach that level.....ya he put up respectable numbers and had he stayed injury free,he may have really been exceptional......but i doubt he woulda been up there with the greats....healthy, he woulda been 20,22ppg for his career....hardly beast level
626SupremeLogic 4 months ago
@marioTmaggot tht goes for grant hill too...
amagginas 4 months ago
@marioTmaggot you must be on drugs
amunrahII 4 months ago
@marioTmaggot Bs.
Dqson 4 months ago
@Dqson @amunrahII both of you are ignorant dumbasses. you must've never watched penny play to think that comment doesn't make perfect sense. either that or you ride kobe's dick either or.
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons Ooo is that so... Well.. We can look at championships, mvps, and simply achievements. Watch who you're calling ignorant. And know your shit faggot. Kobe is considered to be one of the greatest players of all time. Right up there with Jordan. I'll give Jordan the edge because of his personallity combined with his skills and the fact that he has so many trademarks. But Kobe definitely has done twice as well as Penny already and he's not done.
Dqson 3 months ago
@Dqson Okay let's start with this: a player's achievements have nothing to do with their overall skill. And the 2 years penny showed out he was named an all star twice and all-nba twice. Kobe is great, but what has he really DONE? Who patterns their game after him? is that even possible? has he changed the game at all? i mean, ask LeBron James who he patterned his game after. Ask T-Mac, ask Shaun Livingston. Penny Hardaway changed the game for players at his position in just a span of 2 years.
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago 2
@THEJustinSimmons it's obvious, Tmac idolized penny, his offensive moves are patterned after penny. He can also play point well apparently I can see the similarities from a mile away. But penny will always be the smarter player, one of the smartest to ever play the game. imagine if penny had a scoring mentality he'd score the lights out. growing up, these 2 were my favorite players along with brandon roy in this era.
alvinjason10 3 months ago
@alvinjason10 couldn't agree more.
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons lol kobe continued what jordan started. your statment is young and naive.
ss4chris89 3 months ago
@ss4chris89 what? in what way is kobe even slightly similar to mj?
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons perhaps the fact they're both shooting guard and coahed under phil jackson? could you asked anything more stupid? lol. your very first comment is still ignorant to me. What has kobe done? win 5 champs, most dominant shooting guard of his time in this era, school youngers like wade, james, etc and still play through injuries? could you get anymore better than that? Please you bad...
ss4chris89 3 months ago
@ss4chris89 lmfao dude. Are you retarded? You can honestly tell me Kobe plays like MJ?? Have you ever watched a 90s Bulls game in your LIFE? I think you're mistaking my first question for ignorance when i was wondering what has he done that can be written in the history books (obviously, other than championships and awards) because a player can't be defined by their achievements. Also are you saying every time Kobe goes against Wade or LeBron he "schools" them? Give me a break...
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons have you seen the comparion vids and documenatries jump shot and clutch wise? lol. yeah i have man. A player is defined by their accomplishments. look at all the top 50 players lol. you just dumb.
Im saying all the times kobe has met with lebron or wade (same team now lol ) he out performs them. yeah. man this nigga dumb.
ss4chris89 3 months ago
@ss4chris89 First of all, you're not black; don't call me nigga, fool. Secondly, of the 50 GOAT's: Charles Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Dave Bing, Pat Ewing, George Gervin, The Mailman(Karl Malone), Pistol Pete, John Stockton, and Nate Thurmond have NEVER won a championship and even more of them have NEVER won an MVP. Both of those are the biggest accomplishments Kobe has ever done that other players haven't already achieved. Finally...(cont'd)
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons they have accomplishments still though. lol. fuck you nigga. i call you nigga if i want. xD get off my dick.
ss4chris89 3 months ago
@ss4chris89 aha...dude just shut up you're a moron.
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons ahaha. and this is how i knew you lost the debate. xD
ss4chris89 3 months ago
@ss4chris89 smh....today's generation....
THEJustinSimmons 2 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons nigga. speaking in complete sentences. not text. lol todays generation is right looking at you. Bet im older too. jumping to conclusions man.
ss4chris89 2 months ago
@ss4chris89 Today's generation of people. You made the assumption that you "won" what we were discussing which not only makes you sound like a 5 year old, but a girl. What were we fighting over? I was simply trying to show you my point of view, but then you get mad and tell me to "get off your dick" like most kids would do in a mature situation like that. Come on, if you really are older than me, act your age! By the way, "speaking in complete sentences" isn't a complete sentence.
THEJustinSimmons 2 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons lol i wont because your point was flawed from start to finish.
I dont feel the need to act my age on youtube but I guess I could. xD
ss4chris89 2 months ago
@ss4chris89 Elaborate on the apparent flaw in the many points i so kindly dumbed down to your learning level for you to be able to comprehend.
THEJustinSimmons 2 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons comparing penny to kobe. first flaw.
ss4chris89 2 months ago
@ss4chris89 ah, so you are a kobe dickrider i see. Stop being so close minded and just LOOK at the points i gave about how Penny is more INFLUENTIAL than Kobe will you? I never once said he was a better player because it would be unfair to penny to make that sort of comparison seeing as penny only played 3 All-Star caliber years of basketball.
THEJustinSimmons 2 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons nah nigga. im un biased. lol. penny more influential? what did he do compared to jordan and jobe? nothing...
ss4chris89 2 months ago
@ss4chris89 kobe*
ss4chris89 2 months ago
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@ss4chris89 (Im expecting some kind of assholeish response from you so here's what i wrote...read it AGAIN please) "of the 50 GOAT's: Charles Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Dave Bing, Pat Ewing, George Gervin, The Mailman(Karl Malone), Pistol Pete, John Stockton, and Nate Thurmond have NEVER won a championship and even more of them have NEVER won an MVP. Both of those are the biggest accomplishments Kobe has ever done that other players haven't already achieved. Finally..."(cont'd)
THEJustinSimmons 2 months ago
@ss4chris89 "Any video can make a player look good(there's a video right now on here that makes Kwame Brown look like the next Dwight Howard)! But hey, I'll give you the clutch performances part. Kobe is one of the greatest clutch performers of all time. And also, just to prove I'm not a hater, he's one of the greatest guards of all time as well. I just don't think his style will still be around in the next, say, 20 years and Penny's still will."
THEJustinSimmons 2 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons thats cuz kobe's style is unique. ofc it wont be around. and neither will pennys. yeah shame his career cut short. final appearance. x.x
ss4chris89 2 months ago
@ss4chris89 dude. we're back to where we started again!! smh....i fucking explained that like 5 comments ago and you responded with some shit like "get off my dick" go back and read it
THEJustinSimmons 2 months ago
@ss4chris89 Any video can make a player look good(there's a video right now on here that makes Kwame Brown look like the next Dwight Howard)! But hey, I'll give you the clutch performances part. Kobe is one of the greatest clutch performers of all time. And also, just to prove I'm not a hater, he's one of the greatest guards of all time as well. I just don't think his style will still be around in the next, say, 20 years and Penny's still will.
THEJustinSimmons 3 months ago
@THEJustinSimmons
Penny didn't change the game for two guards. Jordan had already accomplished that. All Penny was, just like Grant Hill, was the next in line to carry that torch. He was Kobe before Kobe. Hall of Famer for sure if he never got hurt. But changed the game? Nah. You're way off base with that one.
Fearstrikess 1 month ago
@Fearstrikess Penny has no similarities to Kobe whatsoever. I also don't recall saying Penny changed the game, I just said he influenced other players.
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
"has he changed the game at all?"
You insinuated he did. All Good though. My comment wasn't saying Penny and Kobe were similar, it's saying that Penny was supposed to be what Kobe is today in the basketball world. Not that they're games are alike.
Fearstrikess 1 month ago
@Fearstrikess In that little excerpt you made there i was asking if Kobe changed the game at all, never really implying whether penny had though. Either way I'm still confused as to what you're trying to prove.
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
LoL. Iight. I was just saying the way you worded it made it seem like you were insinuating or implying that Penny had changed the game. Not trying to prove anything bro, I just wanted to get a clear explanation on that. You get what i'm saying?
Fearstrikess 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
"Kobe is great, but what has he really done?"
Honestly, that is the most idiotic comment I have ever heard. Kobe hasn't changed the game of basketball? I guess that means Jordan didn't either.
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle lol what? Jordan did everything kobe has done already.
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
Do not dodge the notion that you seemed to suggest Kobe hasn't done anything. That is the most absurd comment I have ever heard, how do you even justify that? Kobe Bryant is the most influential basketball player since Jordan, so what the fuck are you talking about? I guess none of Kobes many accolades mean anything? The more appropriate question is what HASN'T he done? What does Kobe have to do in order to have "DONE" something?
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
5 rings, 2 Fnals MVP, 1 MVP, 13 x All Star, 9 x NBA first team, 9 x defensive first team, 4x Nba all star game mvp, doesn't any of this count as Kobe having "done anything" or am I missing something? If Kobe hasn't done anything, who has?
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle I never doubted he was a great player, I have no clue where you're getting that idea. I understand everything Kobe has accomplished and respect him for what he has achieved...but he has done absolutely nothing to change the game. Also, chill with the MJ comparisons.
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
If Kobe hasn't changed the game, then Penny sure as hell hasn't. Kobe has inspired millions of people to play basketball, that is significant.
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle he can inspire all the people he wants dude. Doesn't change the fact that he hasn't done anything someone else hasn't already done.
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
Well, in that case, neither has Penny, so whats your point?
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle Without penny there wouldn't be/wouldn't have been players like LeBron, T-Mac, Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy. If you ask any of them who they patterned their games after it was Penny Hardaway: one of the first players to make the forward position a point guard position as well. He only played 3 years of all-star caliber ball, man. Just 3 YEARS! C'mon how much more can I dumb it down for you?
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
Penny didn't create them, of course there would be a Lebron without Penny. These players develop there own game, what, you think they don't have a clue how yo play then suddenly they say " I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE PENNY!", no, they play the game how they want. It just so happens they are all of similar size. And if you really want to go in to, they learned from Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson, those two are the original PG/ forward, not Penny.
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle Oscar Robertson was a point guard regardless of his height. As well, Magic was a true point guard in the later stages of his career but you're right: he paved the way for players like Penny to make their mark as legitimate 123's in the league. But, back to your bazaar first point, yes as a kid you do watch your favorite player on television and idolize yourself/pattern your game after THEM. I have no idea where you were going with that one.
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2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
OK , but show me where Lebron, Joe Johnson, T Mac, and B Roy say Penny is their favorite player. I know for a fact Jordan is Lebrons favorite.
P.S.
players can't pattern their game of Kobes very easily because it is too difficult to do so. Kobe copied Jordan and Kobe isn't even close to being as good as him. Thus, no other player would be able to play Jordan/Kobes game well enough to pattern their own on it. It requires too much talent.
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle Additionally, there really is no telling what Magic's true position was, seeing as he could play basically any on the floor. But Penny did idolize Magic and I didn't intend for him to go unnoticed. I also just realized you're really straying from the original point: Penny Hardaway opened the door for all the passing forwards we see in the league today and you really can't deny that at all.
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
P.S.
If you say Kobe hasn't DONE anything yet Penny changed the game for players in his position, I would argue that Kobe is the second most influential SG ever, behind only Jordan. So he has changed the game, people that aspire to play the SG will look at Jordan and Kobe as the gold standard.
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle This could go on forever. I quit. Maybe when i re-up I'll argue with you some more.
THEJustinSimmons 1 month ago
@THEJustinSimmons
Alright, man. It was entertaining, you made some valid points.
2pacinseattle 1 month ago
@2pacinseattle Magic had changed the game...ole dumbass! He was the first 6'9 guard and he has 5 rings.
Domini478 3 weeks ago
@Domini478
where did I say he didn't?
2pacinseattle 3 weeks ago
@THEJustinSimmons Lebron did not say Penny was his favorite player. His favorite player is Penny.
Domini478 3 weeks ago
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THEJustinSimmons 3 weeks ago
@marioTmaggot also remember, jordan had the hardest time guarding this man back in the day.
alvinjason10 3 months ago
Penny WAS great in his prime, he would've been the next Magic, if Magic could dunk that is.
The1Deal 7 months ago
@The1Deal ...and if Magic could play defense..Penny was awesome on D as well...
teacherryen77 6 months ago
@teacherryen77 So true, I'm still upset that Shaq left for LA, they would've been a better team in Orlando than even his 3-Peat team in LA if he stayed.
The1Deal 6 months ago
@The1Deal Yea but Shaq wanted to have "his team" no disrespect to shaq but he wanted to be a dominate solo star in his early days
OMGWTFShizznat 6 months ago
@Kingdj87 - Amen! The things Penny was doing at such an early stage of his NBA career was nuts and would have only gotten better. Too bad injuries are a part of the game :(
gumplenet 7 months ago
penny is better than kobe will ever be??
lay off the herb man
ryzo58 8 months ago
what pixel here is penny
ireallyhatenoobs 8 months ago
the cideos title is misleading...
anyways @melvinrhodes theres no comparison between kobe and penny....one is a lot better than the other!
kmilan23 8 months ago
He used a crossover...i guess, but he definitely didn't cross kobe. There's a difference kids
balla4life215 8 months ago
the only reason anyone would say penny is better than Kobe is out of dislike of Kobe.
when Jordan retired Penny was already a star while Kobe was just starting.
at one point after Jordan retired Kobe and Allen Iverson were the players to watch. then 2003 came and gave us the next two stars in Lebron James & Dwayne Wade.
xchadleonx 9 months ago
@xchadleonx Penny got hurt in 1998 and his athletic career was over!
Domini478 9 months ago
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Thutmosis7 9 months ago
@xchadleonx
That's not true, Iverson was a star before Kobe. They came into the league together but AI won ROTY and many many many more honors including an MVP way before Kobe. Also T-Mac was huge in the early 2ks especially on the Magic.
Kingjd87 9 months ago
it's crazy how Penny was a PG, and yet he's clearly taller than Kobe
pretzelpimp 9 months ago
@pretzelpimp They was the same size dumbass.
Domini478 9 months ago
@Domini478 actually Penny is listed as 1 inch taller than Kobe, but I think Penny is closer to 6'8 than 6'7
pretzelpimp 9 months ago
@pretzelpimp They are the same height...but who cares? Kobe is way better than Penny.
Domini478 9 months ago
@Domini478
Penny is 6'7. Kobe is 6'6.
Ginga 9 months ago
,,,,Penny in his prime couldn't score 81 points in a game, 62 in 3 quarters , or 50 pts by half time....
noformstyle 9 months ago
@noformstyle And then you woke up out of that DREAM you was having if you believed Penny couldn't score a lot of points. Hell, I can name 10 players who could have done it IF, they were SELFISH enough!!!!!!
dredae76 8 months ago
@dredae76 IF IF IF IF IF, ,,,
noformstyle 8 months ago
It was like a grown man playing with a boy.
Ginga 9 months ago
@Ginga It really was!!!!!!
dredae76 9 months ago
Why are you in afghanistan? U serving in the US army over there i can bet.
Thutmosis7 9 months ago
Yes
unforgiven23mj 9 months ago
I agree i doubt he will go to the lakers. I am thinking somebody who is competitive. I think it's more likely west coast if he made that transition. Who you think will win this yr NBA Champion? I know people say the lakers, but they look more vunerable. Spurs look like a weak number1 team. Bulls they are decent but not like jordan's bull. Celtics can take them out. I think heats or the celtics will emerge out of the east. The west is tricky. Either dallas, or lakers.
Thutmosis7 10 months ago
@Thutmosis7 I riding with my Boston Celtics. Believe it or not, in the West I'm putting my money on Oklahoma. Young yes, but, that first round experience with the Lakers last year I think helped them really get the experience they need. Durant's gonna do his thing, no doubt. Perkins is that toughness they need as long as he is healthy. If the bench can't hold their own then Okl. will be o.k. The deciding factor I think is gonna be Russell Westbrooke using his speed and size against Fisher!!!!!!
dredae76 10 months ago
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@dredae76 riding with my Los Angeles Lakers Believe it or not, in the East I'm putting my money on Miami
The OKC/LA is going to be a tough one— and so is the Miami-Boston game. I'm not betting on the bulls to win the 3rd round against either Miami or Boston yet.
alec613 10 months ago
@dredae76 Lakers are out. Got swept today by dallas. I know they were beatable. I saw it from the later part of the season who they look disfunctional. Still with them out, definitely there is going to be a new champion crowning this yr. It could be dallas? They look mentally strong. Miami look like they could seal the deal with celtic bang up big times. I think bulls will lose. They are not as strong like the old bulls. OKC blew big lead to grizzles the other night. Down 2-1
Thutmosis7 10 months ago
@Thutmosis7 I'm in Afghanistan ( only 4 wks to go thank God), so we get the game late. Woke up feeling bad got on FB and everyone was talking about the Lakers losing. Brighten up my whole day. Well, both my teams are out. Boston lost, and I'm from Ga. and the Hawks are out. Still not ready to give up on OKC, but, if Dallas is as HUNGRY as they appeared to be against the Lakers, then Miami, who I think will take out the Bulls better watch out. Would love to see J. Kidd finally win one!!!!!!
dredae76 10 months ago
@dredae76 We got game 7 tomorrow for OKC and memphis. Also the first game of the nba eastern conference between the bulls and heat. I think dallas will be in the final.
Thutmosis7 9 months ago
@Thutmosis7 Yeah, we just found out that Dallas is balling. Guess Dirk, J-Kidd, and J-T, figure this is they're last shot!!!!!!
dredae76 9 months ago
@dredae76 Could be another dallas and miami final.
Thutmosis7 9 months ago
@Thutmosis7 I see. As much as i like Lebron and Co. I'm actually leaning more towards Dallas, ONLY, because I'd like to see J. Kidd finally get 1ne along with the rest of the crew. J. Terry, Dirk, Matrix, Caron, etc. Plus, it's only a matter of time b4 Lebron and Co. win 3 or 4 anyway, so I'd like to see Dallas get there's out of the way. I think Dallas' bench and experience ( but mainly the bench) will give them the edge over Miami!!!!!!
dredae76 9 months ago
@dredae76 I get what you're saying. I know dirk is getting old and kidd could be on his way to retirement. I always wanted penny to get 1 too. I hope he consider coaching or maybe the magic could make him a GM. I think the magic can win, but they need a PG and probably a sidekick for dwight should they keep him.
Thutmosis7 9 months ago
@Thutmosis7 Yeah, I personally would have packaged all those overpaid players they had & traded them for Stoudamire. Even if you couldn't keep him it would have freed up cap space. As crazy as this may sound I would seriously try and go after Bynum and put him with Dwight. Bynum is effective as long as he's not the#1 guy,& drop D'wight back down 2 the PF position & let him dominate. I honestly feel the 2 can work together. Andre Miller for pg because he's a solid vet, or even go after Billups!!!
dredae76 9 months ago
@dredae76 Didn't the knicks resigned billups? Andrew seem ok, but doubt the lakers will trade him or give him up so easily. Unless they get howard which would of made them a huge contender again. Kobe is going to need help cuz he can't do the things he did few yrs ago. His body is starting to weared and tear alot. What's up with dirk's injury finger i am hearing about?
Thutmosis7 9 months ago
@Thutmosis7 Haven't heard about his finger.1 more day 2 go in this hell hole & I'll be heading back 2 the states where I can finally watch the game ON TIME, lol. Yeah, with the way they keep complaining about Bynum I think the Magics should try & go after him some how. That way you have a talented Big Man 2 help out Howard in the paint, & who knows he may even stay healthy if he has Howard shouldering some of the burdens of the paint. Not sure about Billups, I thought N.Y. was all CP3 crazy!!!!!
dredae76 9 months ago
@dredae76 What a game last night?
Thutmosis7 9 months ago
@Thutmosis7 Back in the states. Happy that Dallas won. Guess I'll watch a lil WNBA since it doesn't seem like we'll have any other sports, WORTH WATCHING, this season!!!!!!
dredae76 8 months ago
@dredae76 Yea both NBA and NFL are lockout until uncertainity. I don't know when. But it doesn't look good. Cuz i was hoping my steelers get revenge against the packers. But i guess that's on hold for a while now.
Thutmosis7 8 months ago
Man, Penny used to be so good... what happened? Injuries on the fingers or something?
jibikao 11 months ago
@jibikao To the knees and never recovered from it!!!!!!
dredae76 10 months ago
40 Kobe Dick ryding fags did not like this video
Dogfacesoulja8582 11 months ago
@Dogfacesoulja8582 Ain't that the truth!!!!!!
dredae76 10 months ago
Penny better than Kobe? hahaha
kaiser85collins 11 months ago
LMFAO @ the pixel comment.
Gootch82 11 months ago
Dude i loved penny, even the commercials with lil' penny, just as much as the other guy. he was a beast of a baller that got hit with the injury bug, much like grant hill. we saw glimpses of his what his full potential could be but for guys to put down kobe because penny was a good baller is just downright ridiculous. i hate when people try to bring up someone by bringing down someone else. hatred is a female trait guys. cut that bullshit and lets admit they're both really good.
Ibliss33 1 year ago
Penny in his prime was better than Kobe. Injuries prevented this dude from being neck and neck to Jordan.
Kingjd87 1 year ago 16
@Kingjd87 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
reneperezz 1 year ago
@Kingjd87 Not sure about the Jordan part, but, had he and Shaq stayed together I honestly believe they would have gotten more rings than Shaq and Kobe. Plus Penny got along with Shaq, and didn't mind passing the ball. Would have definitely taken it to Kobe!!!!!!
dredae76 10 months ago
@dredae76 Agree with you on that. The thing that hurt being a magic's fan, is that the ownership suck. It's because of them magic a promising team was dismantle. Had the magic went and get a championship caliber coach like chuck daly shaq wouldn't had left. He told them to get rid of hill and they said no. Look what happen shortly after shaq left? They fired hill half way through the next season. They got chuck too late.
Thutmosis7 10 months ago
@Thutmosis7 Yeah, well they better get it together this, because if they lose Dwight Howard it's a wrap. I mean yeah CP3 is talking about going 2 New York & he still has another year left on his contract, but, since he'll probably leave anyway I'd go ahead & trade Jameer Nelson & a few more just 2 sweeten the pot, 2 try & get him. Maybe playing alongside Dwight & J-Rich he may stay. Don't think Howard would go 2the Lakers, but, heaven help the paint if he goes 2 the Clippers with Griffin
dredae76 10 months ago