if we can trust the government with running the military,we can trust it to have a moderate roll in running health care.i'm a prolife liberal,and if being prolife is a core value,sending troops to war without proper resources that result in death,killing babies,and people dieing from no heath care, are ALL offensive.people who have veiws from both sides are always left out of the conversation.
@loloioi Unfortunately that rebuttal lacks the reality of how health care works economically. Private health care pays (makes up the difference) the cost of public health care. If citizens want lower health care costs, phase out medicare/medicaid. Higher health care costs is the result of public health programs (and probably a wee bit too much regulation).
@visszahang unfortunately your rubuttal isnt solid because reports all over the world have states that public health care is cheaper and private health care is expensive and throws the country in debt. Plus why are you demonizing regulation? If you look at systems around the world, there regulation is meant there for safety and make sure things don't go wrong at all.
I'm of the Liberal side but I don't agree with liberals today =/
And I don't agree with the conservatives either. Both sides make a nihilistic argument for policy.
Liberalism as made clear here has noble intentions but ignore human nature altogether.
Conservatism accepts the terms of liberty and then tries to toss absolute morality down your throat as if it were normal, which is just presumptuous and arrogant.
people are blind to what they believe in both parties are soo fucked with their ideology when people make one line argument for their party against the other party they are just showing how truly ignorant they are
the ironic thing about 'liberals' is they ruthlessly smash, ambush, bully and generally try to destroy all who oppose them, think differently to them or question the status quo that they impose.
nick griffin is a good example of one of the victims of UK liberalism.
Liberalism is a joke and a mental disorder. The VAST majority of Americans are conservative on every spectrum, and the media is the ONLY reason liberalism hasn't already faded into the shame and misery that it deserves. They had the public fooled for a while, but America is waking up to the two-bit, lying, venom-spitting forked tongues that have plagued this country longer than its welcome. Rest in shame, liberalism
@BlackFox0911 - only mental defectives talk about a political pursuasion being a mental disorder. And the idea that the media is Liberal is a myth - a tired Republican/Conservative trope, that fails to take into account that some of the most influential political pundits are Republican/conseravative media personalities - like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, etc.
The problem is that there are so many different types of liberalism and so many types of conservatism. Do you mean, socially? Fiscally? Politically? When talking about conservatism do you mean neoconservatism or paleoconservatism?
@woaibailong - yes but how does that explain the anti-intelleculism that is so deeply ingrained American conservatism?
Its not liberals that champion creationism, but conservatives. Its not liberals that denigrate science, but conservatives. It is not liberalism that push religion in politics, but conservatives. How do you explain the fact the demogoguery is so much a part of the Right Wing strategy for elections? Not mere populism, but demogoguery?
really? science and logic? the bible thumping, creationist pushing, global warming denying, stem cell research blocking, gay bashing are the ones who appeal to science and logic???
Modern liberalism is based on the idea that humans can't take care of themselves, and that a special elite should take care of us. This is NOT equality, the very concepts they preach completely contradict their values. Government CANT run systems more efficiently than private business, and if you really think government is the answer, then think about the only war to be fought by private citizens in the US, they fought an oppressive government.
@independentthinker0 well, if you l0ook t abortion scientifically, it's technically murder. The fetus in living organism. It feeds off of the food of the mother, it develops its vital organs while in the womb. Abortion is technically murder, so in that aspect it is wrong.
@pseudohippie55 No that is not, "technically". There is no "technical" definition of murder when it comes to this. Some might say using a condom is murder, as you are depriving future children of life, and so doing that is wrong
To me, a baby is not alive until it is born. If it is in a woman's body, it is her decision, and it is HER life, not the fetus', and that is my opinion. I respect everyone's opinion though, and honestly if it was my child I would say no to any abortion post-conception
Wouldn't putting money in the hands of citizens just be worse because an individual has a very limited perspective, while the government can take in the whole picture?
What you are bringing up is what Karl Marx essentially thought, and he gave us communism. This works out on paper, but in reality the gov't usually ends up spending our money on things we may not necessarily agree with, like war or Obama's salary
(my soapbox) I am a conservative solely because I believe in limited-government to protect rights. If you cant save your money, that is your problem. The government should be kept minimal
@ITSbigwillystyle Yeah, I do to, I lived in the south for the majority of my life. (Even though I was born in Minnesota.) And there are SO many people living solely off of welfare.
@BlackFox Everyone LOVED Obama at the start and now everyone hates him. Come on. He is not to blame for the everything. He tried to rehaul America with a lot of spending and it didn't work out. He's done decently as a president and his positive attempts to improve the country have been blocked by the corrupt Senate and Congress mostly. The Supreme Court also blocked his attempt at allowing stem cells to improve the lives of disabled people. Obama is not at fault for the problems of this country.
@vgman94 I want you to tell me what you think it is obama has done to try and help this country??? Since when does it work to spend money to reduce debt? You think spending trillions of dollars on programs to allow people to not have to work will reduce the debt? By feeding people more and more money because they don't want to work and then taxing the shit out of the people who work their butts off you are not helping America. You are destroying it.
@jblenkush Stem cell research, he reversed Bush's ban on federal funding of foreign establishments that allow abortions. Under his leadership, America defeated Osama Bin Laden. He may not be perfect, but he is doing his best and the people you speak of who "don't want to work" are mostly disabled. Some people abuse their rights, but his ideas are directed to those who need aid.
Well I'm a moderate. So there are some things I can agree with both. Personally, I think to be just a conservative, just a liberal, just a republican or just a democrat is a disservice to America
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2) If two people want to marry regardless of gender, let them. Keeping gay marriage illegal is just another form of social discrimination, and I will refuse to live in a country that doesn't treat their citizens equally, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. Not that I am gay or anything, it just discourages me that we still treat our fellow citizens like they don't matter.
@BEARARMZ Sometimes, abortion is necessary to keep the unplanned mother alive. Sometimes it's necessary to get rid of a rapist's baby. Sometimes, it's necessary if the parents weren't prepared and to avoid all the expensive hospital bills that will cripple their financial future. Sometimes, people need government assistance just to stay alive. Hospitals for the most part are government funded. Didn't know that, now did ya?
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1) If I were a woman two months pregnant, and was raped, and am now pregnant with my attacker's baby, I would abort it without even thinking. You see, when that baby is born, it is going to make me feel so damn guilty, I would end up killing myself. Look at it this way: People who are violent can pass their behaviors genetically to their offspring. Not only that, the baby would have the attackers features.
@BlackFox0911 Obama DID NOT kill Osama. If Bush did what Obama wanted and promised he would do (close Guantanamo), Osama never would have been found and killed.
The location of Osama was known about for along time. Why did Obama wait till a few months ago to give our military to "go"? Because he is now campaigning for 2012. He needs something to look good on his resumé. He's been a failure at everything else he's done.
The problem with American liberals is that they're spoiled brats. They're all the time chanting about "freedom of this" and "freedom of that" because they KNOW the "freedoms of speech" will keep them safe. But I'd LOVE to see how willing a liberal would be to start arguing about their rights in a country where people get their heads blown off for a lot less.
In this time of despair in America, we need Conservatism. The Americans people deserve to rule themselves and get gov't out of their lives. We need much smaller gov't and MUCH less spending. We spend on so many unnecessary things and we need to stop.
Here's the point: The Constitution promises small gov't and no one becoming too powerful. Now, it's the opposite. We've become the epitome of what the Framers set out to differentiate the U.S. from - tyranny and an intrusive gov't. Go GOP! :)
Why is the word "liberal" a bad word. To liberal means to change for the better, to improve rapidly. I don't think conservative is a bad word. Liberalism lead to women's suffrage, the end of slavery, civil rights, better working conditions, safer food, and better wages.
Money produces greed and corruption? Okay, fine. And you don't think that government is greedy and corrupt? You don't think that the denizens of people enslaved by social programs aren't greedy with other people's tax dollars? They don't become corrupt and scam the system?
Money also enables people to invest in their future.
Who the hell is anyone to come along and determine I am greedy simply because I have money from my hard work and investment?
My mother, a conservative, volunteers for Planned Parenthood, along with several other volunteers.
Planned Parenthood covers major expenses, such as hospital bills, while pro-life groups, indeed most activist groups, cover FAR less, so your comparison makes no sense. Of course PP costs more. This has NOTHING to do with efficiency.
When you compare utilities to utilities, medical care to medical care... efficiency is almost identical, and public programs are more dependable.
i am a independent moderate and i think conservatives are heartless if you do not like my views tough every conservative that i have ever met is against helping people that are down and out calling them lazy if they are homeless or unemployed and that is bs people have been wining for the two years that obama has been in office ok republicans and conservatives what did bush do in his term nothing but be the butt of every joke in the world period
I find it interesting that in US conservatives are the right wingers and liberals are the left wingers. Here in Brazil, the "liberals" are right wingers (because they praise economic freedom) and the left wingers call themselves socialists or social-democrats.
the left/right paradigm is the social program you are referring to. I am nor liberal or conservative as I have found that I both agree and disagree with both of them.
As a human being, I cannot lower myself into either of these categories...
Okay, not to watch the video to see if you change my view. :)
you know...i think kissinger might've said the same thing after he bombed vietnam into oblivion... or was that daddy bush after invaded panama and killed hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians??? or was it when he bombed the crap out of iraq the first time??
or maybe it was reagan after the invasion of grenada. that little island was really dangerous you know...
geez, i forget because there have been so many acts of terrorism by conservatives... *cough* i mean, evil libs...
@elnegrobembon They're monitoring our people to try to prevent the one person from coming up with the one idea. And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people, because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve this problem." Professor Kamau Kambon
@elnegrobembon "You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies." Black Panther Party leader Samir Shabazz
what's your point? you cite some extreme nutjobs and act like it's mainstream...
you act like they have more influence and effect on society than kissinger, or reagan, or bush..
you act like they're anger isn't justified... as if it wasn't white people that nearly exterminated natives, and oppressed and exploited colored people for centuries (and still continue to do so)...
you act like after citing 2 crazy nutters, it's all even... have shabazz or kambon ever killed millions?
“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way.
@elnegrobembon Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?” Fabian Socialist George Bernard Shaw. Hmmm, exterminating those who can't pay the "price on the right to live," so loving so humanitarian so socialist.
@elnegrobembon "People who try to commit suicide — don't attempt to save them! . . . China is such a populous nation, it is not as if we cannot do without a few people." Chairman Mao. Wow, such compassion, such sense of community, such humanitarianism---how can anyone not believe in Socialism.
@elnegrobembon “A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!” (as in standing someone up against a wall before a firing squad executes him.) Che Guevara. Gee whiz, that sure is a level headed, moderate way of looking at military conflict and/or the use of the death penalty.
@elnegrobembon “Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!” Che Guevara. Yet more peace loving, anti-violence rhetoric from the left.
@theobamafactor Thank you for your video. As often as it is proven that Government is ineffective and wasteful, what really scares me is Leftists' inability to learn another lesson of history: the tendency for socialistic Big Government to devolve into Fascism in order to maintain power after their economic policies have collapsed the economy and their social policies have stamped out so many previously enjoyed freedoms that people begin to rebel.
Is this about liberal vs conservative private institutions or public institutions in general?I have no problem with public schools, transportation, the police, military, public roads, the interstate. There are a lot of great public schools, public universities and such across America. Our military is perfect example of a public, government institution that is one of the best in the world. You have West Point Academy, Defense Language Institute, The Air Force Academy, V.M.I, and The Citadel.
I LEAN conservative because I believe in responsibility and in the one big rule of life: there is no easy life (at least for 99% of people) and there never will be.
Liberals such as myself believe in Liberty and Freedom where the word Liberal comes from. That everybody has the right to live they're own lives and not be interfered by government.
That everybody under law has the right to equality and live they're own lives. And be as successful in life as they're skills an production will allow. That everybody under law has the right to a quality to a good eduction. To be successful in life.
Liberalism is a different Political Ideology from Socialism.
Of course not. Why would you use those examples? To create a strawman? And by transportation, do you mean roads?
I have a feeling you think Conservatives want NO taxes. That is a nonsensical idea.
Im talking about the massive social welfare programs that are exploited by the recipients, poorly managed by the government, and forced on folks that would rather engage in personal charity, rather than government imposed "compassion" via penalty of law. Thats what I mean.
One problem with American Politics is that people take one statement and automatically believe that person believes this and this from it. I never said that conservatives don't believe in any taxes. But thats what you apparently think.
You do have a point about Welfare Fraud. But if you name a Federal Program across the board in every agency and department. I could show you waste, fraud and abuse. Thats the nature of the business.
Ad hominem arguments abound on Youtube. I made a point about a specific problem in our government. Cant you just stick to one point rather than justifying one bad behavior/practice with another? And waste, fraud and abuse do not HAVE to be the nature of our government. There are solutions.
Now, I'll ask you again, Liberal, do you believe in redistribution of personal property (aka: legally earned income) to those that have less? Do you believe in government "charity"?
I believe government should help people who are down get themselves up with a hand up not a hand out. And that requires Tax Revenue from people who are working in order to finance this. Welfare to work being a perfect example of that. Where government can actually help.
If you want to call that "distribution of wealth" or whatever or take my statement to mean something else. Which I have a feeling you will anyway. Find thats your call.
So you believe that it is justifiable to take money from people that earn it and give to it others that didnt earn it, whether taxpayers agree or not....to the point that if they dont agree to pay that they will be arrested, jailed, and fined? How is that just? How is that charity? There was a time when those in need were helped by those that gave strictly thru charity. And in that time those that accepted charity did so as a very last resort and worked hard to earn their own way.
Yes but in the way I phrased it not in the way you did my words not yours. You speak for yourself and I'll speak for myself. The 1996 Welfare to Work law or TANF was a bi partisan agreement worked out between conservatives and liberals. So if you don't like that bill. Take it up with those conservatives.
Phrasing is always key to selling something that is otherwise unpalatable.
I have little control over compromises politicians make. I can only vote for those that want to stop the spread of ever-increasing, poorly managed social programs...and instead reduce them with very tight controls. Many Liberals, on the other hand, continue to support further confiscation of my private property (the money Ive earned). That is a clear denial of my individual liberty...my property rights.
You have liberals such as myself mixed up with Democratic Socialists perhaps intentionally. Which suggests to me your ignorance of what Liberalism is. Or its just part of the Far Right's War on Liberalism to make it look like Democratic Socialism. Liberalism and Democratic Socialism are two different Political Ideology's.
I understand what the traditional definition of "liberal" means. But that word has been hijacked by the Left. You should tune in to more news shows to understand the current vernacular. That goes for CNN, MSNBC, FOX, talk radio, internet, etc. They are all referring to Socialist Democrats as liberals these days. Can you prove otherwise?
All that said, if you believe in the preservation of individual freedoms and personal property rights then we are much more on the same page.
Apparently you watch too much Cable Talk and now have that garbage stuck in your head. And get your Talking Points from FNC. I realize they've got Liberalism mixed up with Democratic Socialism. But thats because they don't understand the difference. John Kerry liberal, Bernie Sanders Democratic Socialist.
@FRSFreeState Don't you mean Bernie Sanders social democrat? I don't have the idea that Bernie Sanders would ever be elected into congress if he'd be a democratic socialist, I could be wrong though. (For people who don't exactly know the difference let's say that if you've got a political left right division you'd have:
Far Left - Left - Center-Left - Center - Center-Right - Right - Far Right the democratic socialist would rather be in the Left while a social democrat would be Center-Left.)
Bernie Sanders is an admitted Democratic Socialist. Which is different from a Classical Socialist who believes in State Ownership of the means of production. Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist which is what they have in Europe. Private Sector with a large Welfare State by American Standards.
Liberal Democrats are Center Left the President is a Liberal Democrat and is Center Left. Democratic Socialists would be Far Left by American Standards.
@FRSFreeState Well I'm European, so that's why I thought that he'd rather be a social democrat, in my experience those have bigger amount of seats than democratic socialist. That's why I'm a bit surprised that he would be elected in the right-winged US if he'd be a democratic socialist. Guess that everything is possible. BTW a nice graph I found, textilesandbicycles.files.wordpress com/2008/06/picture-1.png you have to fill in the . of .com yourself
"Right Wing US", give me a break now I'm insulted. You should read the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Two of the most Liberal Papers you'll ever read. With all the freedoms and rights it guarantees.
@FRSFreeState Yeah I understood now that Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. And I know you could be angry over me calling the US right wing, but for us it is a reality, there is no such thing as a big labour party and trade unions are not very strong in the US and I could go on like that. But even if that weren't the case - maybe it is the case - the feeling is there. The link I posted gives an idea of how we feel where the Americans stand. BTW this is of course not how everybody sees it.
Apparently your not familiar with our Public Employee and Teacher Unions as well as our Auto Unions. And our Player Unions and our Aviation Unions. Your right we don't have a big Labor Party the closest would be the Democratic Party. But they are also Pro Business and capitalism as well.
No Democratic Socialist as I've said and for the reasons I laid out. He's not trying to nationalize the Auto Industry or anything like that. But he would like to see a much greater Welfare State in America. Not just Single Payer Health Care. He's not the only Democratic Socialist in Congress. Rep Dennis Kucinich's politics are very similar if not identical. As well as the Progressive Caucus.
As I've said before Liberal Democrats are Center Left in America but perhaps considered Right Wing in Europe. We get elected to High Office all the time. Bernie Sanders would be Far Left by American Standards. But he's a great politician and represents Vermont. Which is a little different.
Same liberals that openly hate Christians who send their kids to Church to learn moral structure, avoid drugs, avoid premarital and promiscuous sex, etc. yet believe in tolerance for Islam, which has spread more terrorism in modern day than any other religion. When the Muslims want to build a Mosque near Ground Zero then the liberals believe in "freedom of religion." I wonder what they'd think if America took a vote on whether a Mosque should be built near Ground Zero or a Church.
It's becoming harder and harder to find common sense these days. The fact that liberals believe in banning religion yet they support drag queen parades and homosexuality, is proof that common sense is on a decline. These are the same hypocritical liberals that believe the death penalty is inhumane, yet we must support abortion on demand.
As an American I'm proud to say, thank God most Americans still oppose the homosexual lifestyle. Homosexuality is just as perverted as incest, bestiality, pedophilia, sado-masochism, necrophilia, etc. Remember guys heterosexuality = the natural way of life that results in reproduction, family, and keeps humanity alive. Homosexuality does none of those. It's unnatural. In addition, homosexuals are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than normal people.
@RepublicanCookie We live in the 21st century. Romantic relationships don't=babies. If it was reproduction you were concerned about, on this overpopulated planet, we would also ban infertile couples from marrying, and old couples. And it is no wonder homosexuals are suicidal...because of the lack of tolerance in America.
Face the facts. It has existed far before Christianity or anything else that has stifled it. Give me one good reason why it is wrong.
@LumynescenceK8 you can do whatever you want in your own home. we will NEVER agree with what you do. we ALREADY tolerate it. you just want us to accept it, which we wont so fuck off faggot. im free to call you that just like you are free to be homosexual. now get used to it just like we have to. FAGGOT.
@187Unseen Being an intolerant bigot won't do any good for society. Manning up and pushing your mind past your comfort level, to what is comfortable with you, in order to create tolerance for the world, on the other hand, does do good. Sexual orientation is not chosen, so why bully and taunt people, and drive them to suicide? Intolerance does no good, especially when it is towards something the individual did not choose. It is just because of ignorance. Nothing more.
liberalism gave us our government, capitalism, ended slavery, gave woment the right to vote, social security, medicare, medicaid, gay rights, the right for women to choose, universal education, science, etc. conservatism wants to keep the status quo and how ironic that it has so many liberal ideas.
I think programs should only be funded is necessary. "Planned parenthood?" Nah, but "pro-life" is something I can't agree on either, even though what these organizations do is good. What worries me about these private social programs are their intentions. What they may be doing is good, but it could be that they exist for the agenda of the provider.
I am an ex-conservative leaning to the liberal side. I agree with fiscal responsability as well as individual accountability and independence. However when conservatives begin to defend the war in Iraq I start to smell Bull ****. The sad thing is they are not just regurgitating talking points in order to protect a party image, they actually believe it and that alienates me. (I fought in Iraq for 15 months as a cav scout so I've seen both the arguments and the reality)
@wehl3318 Well obviously looking at hindsight, the Iraq war was a mistake. Did some good come out of it? Saddam is gone, but whether Iraq remains a democracy is yet to be seen. There is potential, but that goes against decades of history. As Pres. Bush said in 2000, we should NOT be nation building. He was correct.
Remember, it was the Dems in 2006 who said we will end the war, it was Obama who said we'll end the war, here we are 4 years later still in Iraq. They used our military.
"obviously looking at hindsight, the Iraq war was NOT a mistake, it was a the result of blatant lies. for which all kinds of innocent people have had to pay with their lives and THEIR TAXES. We liberals care more about the LIVES, while you conservatives should at least give a damn about the TAXES!
@wehl3318 It really wasn't necessarily a war with Iraq, it was more against the evil terrorist rings that were embedded in the government and that ravaged the streets. The war in the middle east right now is being fought for the most noble of reasons.
The war effort alone doesn't make you Liberal. You just described a Center-Right person. Also, your service record is irrelevant, as there are just as many Conservatives that have been down range.
@wehl3318 Most real conservatives are against the war in Iraq. Are you confusing supporting the troops with supporting the war? because there is a HUGE difference there. I supposrtour troops 100% but i completely disagree with the war in Iraq. Thank you for your service by the way..
@elnegrobembon way to go genius, the guy in the video clearly states that yes it produces money and greed, his "private social" programs are the point of this video, not private corporations. ur on a whole different argument there. and besides that, you cant tell me the united states government is any less greedy than any corporation out there? just becuase they have the media behind them to make them out to be doing good makes them able to brainwash ppl like you.
i think "private social" programs is an oxymoron. private enterprises are not charities and are run for making profits, not for interest of society...
like you said, money produces greed and corruption. you cite medicaid and food stamps as examples, but i could cite examples of corporate corruption that have produced vastly larger amounts of theft and corruption.
conservativism doesn't fix social issues either.. if we're all corrupted by money, "giving money to citizens" is not going to fix it
@elnegrobembon Are you kidding me? Private social programs are far more effective and efficient than ANY public programs of like nature. It's not even close. Can I assume you are just young and unfamiliar with the world around you?
Not money - other people's money TAXES that are taken. Americans are the most generous people in the world. I suggest you watch the video again - take notes if necessary.
?? maybe you're not understanding what i said. i was talking about private corporations. they are not here to serve the public.. their motive is money, not the welfare of society.. if they give any money away, its to serve as a tax write off... if they hire people, its to make the corp. money.. if they fire somebody, its because they cost too much money..
everything they do is to make a profit, not because they're nice and selfless and want to help the people ..
@elnegrobembon dude, you act like you've never taken an economics class. The profit motive and the inviable hand in the economy all works out for good. (I could expand on that, but I'd have to crack open the rusty economics book :P) It doesn't matter their motive, it matters what the result is.
actually, i only took a micro economics course one time... but common sense and reality has served me better.
the profit motive doesn't always work out for good.
example:
a rare disease affects mostly people of poor 3rd world country. pharma companies have the option to develop a cure for it and get no return on their investment.... or they can develop a cure for some other trivial disease in the US where there is money to be made...
@theobamafactor I doubt that thing you said isn't necessarily true. We pay VERY low taxes next to a lot of countries. Do you think education is a right or a privilege? Under Republicans the state schools became for profit. Democrats raise the Pell Grant. I had to wait 5 years to get Vocational Rehabiliation cause my state didn't want an income tax. When did I get it- when FEDERAL funds came.I have lived with a reading disorder my whole life in this state and it has never been addressed until now
@theobamafactor Is that really freedom? Most southern baptists who love raw captialism would say the evil catholics kept the bible from them. Public schools made people literate. Sure they have problems now but do you think only the priveledged of the day should have been the only one's able to read? Back then that's how they made sure blacks couldn't vote. They used a reading test which was designed to fail them. Why are our schools so shitty now huh? Think about that one.....
@theobamafactor Plus Candadians pay out the nose on taxes but they are guaranteed a shot at college. Most Bush voting states ranked a 98 avg IQ. Also think about this one Arizona's State Prisons factor in how many people won't be able to read when they decide how many bed pans they need. Now the prisons are moving to 'Private" systems. What excuse for personal accountability is that shit? That's called Satanism not conservatism. When you have companies motivated to put more people in jail for
@theobamafactor drug laws that are totally unconstitutional but help the drug companies and the preserve our sacred industry that's not about freedom anymore unless you think freedom is about being imprisoned physically and mentally. Not having education is slavery to the system. People being in prison doesn't make them industrious either so that throws that argument out the fucken window.
What it amounts to my friend is Corporate hippocrites like Rush limbaugh are a primal expression --
@theobamafactor Look at that. You wanna talk about astro-turf? I hate how you conservatives take everything that's fucked up about your party and try to twist it on us like ACORN and abortion. Do you think Pay-day loans are a good thing? ACORN doesn't think so. Soros brought Hungary from Communism to Capitalism. Don't listen to these corporate hacks.
@theobamafactor Private means I own it. Do you think we should privatize our interstates to foreign investors? They thought that'd be a great idea in the 70's. Do you think TVA was a bad idea? Most people here can't figure out that that was socialism and it managed to keep people from starving to death. Private industry wasn't cutting it. Just cause economists like Hayek say private industry is the most productive doesnt' make it true. A lot of the greats weren't always right. Look at other
@theobamafactor other countries with ROBUST economies. They usually have a balance between private and public. You know what happens in the private sector when something gets invented like renewable energy? It's called bought up the patent by the oil companies. Seen it before. Why do you think we went to war in Iraq. Hmm. Why are most Pundits conservative and ATTACK liberalism as if it's evil? They are a visceral expression of the corporations to clear their bottom line in the short. Rush ----
@theobamafactor Limbaugh is a pill head for a reason. Anyone who is that big of sell out to unhinged destruction capitalism is a sick person. He knows he's wrong and he is destructive WAY more than productive. You need to start worrying about issues instead of just TAXES. Captialsm will be just fine just as long as the people who put their kids through private school and donate tons to Republican candidates can make enough to live off everyone else.
@theobamafactor Oh and astro-turf? You've got to be fucken joking me. You guys always pull the abortion card. That's the oldest lie in the book. They will never overturn Roe V Wade and you know that. Ford put that in place so forget it. The only thing you can say is we don't need more and more cinics. P.S. you want the Right wing Free enterprise side of astro-turf? Here's one of the HUNDREDS of fucked up groups you guys have.
google Citizens United v Federal Electino Commision.....
@theobamafactor Look at that. You wanna talk about astro-turf? I hate how you conservatives take everything that's fucked up about your party and try to twist it on us like ACORN and abortion. Do you think Pay-day loans are a good thing? ACORN doesn't think so. Soros brought Hungary from Communism to Capitalism. Don't listen to these corporate hacks.
"unfamiliar with the world around you" "I suggest you watch the video again - take notes..." elnegrobembon POLITELY expressed himself, as you did in your video, and you respond by brainlessly attacking him and trolling your own video.
P.S. You come off a little slow in your video, is that why you feel the need to insult people simply for sharing their opinion?
@theobamafactor, I'm 74, so let me ask YOU if you are "young and unfamiliar with the world around you?
The PUBLIC Medicare and Veterans Administration spend a lot less to get more done than the US PRIVATE health plans which spend much MORE than the health plans of many other countries that get much better results.
And when it comes to the "waste" in Medicare, guess who the leeches are who rip off the PUBLIC? It's usually conservative PRIVATE contractors, i.e. REPUBLICAN TYPES !
If conservatives and/or Republicans REALLY cared about how much Medicare costs, then why did they insist on inserting the crazy requirements of the Part D plan that
1) the govt. cannot negotiate for lower prices on medications.
2) medications can only be bought from U.S. companies, even if costs U.S. taxpayers 5 times as much.
They obviously didn't care THEN, and they don't care NOW, because what they care about is enriching the PRIVATE insurance and drug companies!.
What has the public sector ever created? Compare those "accomplishments" with those created in the private sector. Among the REAL citizenry.
I love when these liberals think that their nanny state government is the only fountain of goodness and prosperity in this country. In fact, it has a crappy track record.
Private citizens have advanced our culture. INDIVIDUALS and PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.
@visfati Well the public sector has built massive highway and interstate highways that helped foster employment and new businesses. Look at U.S. History. So I assume you believe people who work in the public sector are not real citizens? What about teachers, law enforcement, fire fighters, and public works people. I am not against private organizations. Private organizations benefit from services provide by the public sector: roads, bridges, fire protection, law enforcement.
@theobamafactor HAHA check YOUR facts buddy. People in Europe, especially Scandinavia pay up to 50% in income taxes. Generous my ass, ill give a homeless guy a couple bucks, but when it comes to paying taxes, i would hard for that money. its my money. and i dont want to give it to anybody. especially federal funding for obamacare and corporate bailouts.
@theobamafactor Americans (cumulatively) are the most generous people in the world. Countries in Europe (UK, France, Netherlands, etc.), however, are much more generous on a per capita basis. Can you provide an instance of a private social program working more effectively versus the systems in Scandinavia and Switzerland? Thanks.
@elnegrobembon Okay, I'll bite. Name one private social enterprise that is a bigger scam or run less efficient than Medicaid or food stamps. I think you will find that it is an impossible task. If not only for the fact that the govt does scam & inefficient better than anyone else. There is no one in the world that runs programs as large as our govt. Medicaid is being used on non-citizens for crap sake.
America realistically can not be turned into Sweden because we aren't all blue eyed blond products of Nazi Eugenics brainwashed by the same socialist state religion for centuries into having no capacity for independent thought. Ex-Nazis with Swiss bank accounts invest in Sweden not America when we try pretending to be Sweden
History has shown that socialism leads to a reduction in the well being of societies as well as the happiness of people living in these scenarios. One only needs to open one's eyes to escape the programming administered by our universities full of "intellectuals". Our pool of votersl has embraced these failed beliefs to some extent. The question to ask is Why do we call them "intellectuals" if they can't evaluate data correctly? or Why do we still vote to give up our freedoms?
@JustSignOut -So who do you listen to for your information Rush Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity ? You should stop repeating everything you hear and use a little common sense.Start by taking a look beyond our borders and see that many other countries do far more for their citizens then the U.S. Don't be the enabler for the very people who are picking your pocket while claiming that others are taking away your freedom.Only a small mind would buy into such nonsense.Wall Street is the real threat to freedom
You haven't proved one single point you raised. I can appreciate the video - but your rhetoric is nothing new. Big government has never been reduced by Conservatives. Government fraud and siphoning of tax payer money to special interests is an A+ skill of Conservatives - look at history, my friend.
Social programs are abhorred by Conservatives - except, they often work, despite rampant abuse.
And, when did a Conservative give a f about bi-partisanship? Historically speaking.
I am a Conservative-Liberal. In my believes, this means that:
- Freedom is the core of living and self-reliance is the core of freedom
- Heavy penalties and a big police force
- Government should mind their own business as much as possible but should be close to the worker; low taxes and help for the hard worker; if you don't contribute to the system, you're not in.
- A religion's power should be minimised, especially the radical islam.
You let people identify what they want to call themselves and define their philosophy by what they believe or what they believe that you selectively choose to define them by.
I am sorry, but speaking up for people who cannot speak for themselves is not the core principle of liberalism. Contemporary Liberalism is the same thing as classical liberalism, just evolved. They advocate the same things back then as they do now.
Liberals: All for antidisestablishmentarianism, legalization of marijuana, gay-rights, abortion, the theory of evolution.
Now I don't know everything about being a conservative, but i do know that most are against the points listed above. Now for me, being against one of those points doesn't make sense to me, that is why I consider myself as a liberal, or left. And no, just because I'm Norwegian doesn't mean I'm a socialist (Even though it works over here)
@nilsen93 Argh. stop perpetuating that myth. Atheists should be classical liberals!
if you ever wish to look into politics, and what some grounding pieces to start off with. compare bastiat's 'the law' or john locke or milton friedman. then read (or b4, if you really wish) 'de capital' and books on social/communism.
Classical libertarians are for absolute rights of the individual, anti-war. (the guy on this vid seems to know little).
You think helping the poor is only a liberal view? Both parties care about that of course.
TheRedfire555 5 days ago
Great questions. I appreciate equity of liberal and conservative positions. Very well articulated and reasonable.
visszahang 6 days ago
In Sweden (and the rest of the world) liberalism is equivalent to libertarianism, the liberalism here is described to social democracy.
aram1338 3 weeks ago
a balance of both would be nice.good idea's shouldn't fall under any label.
dignerds 3 weeks ago
if we can trust the government with running the military,we can trust it to have a moderate roll in running health care.i'm a prolife liberal,and if being prolife is a core value,sending troops to war without proper resources that result in death,killing babies,and people dieing from no heath care, are ALL offensive.people who have veiws from both sides are always left out of the conversation.
dignerds 3 weeks ago
just a rebuttal... It is known that private health care costs alot more than public health care.
loloioi 4 weeks ago
@loloioi Unfortunately that rebuttal lacks the reality of how health care works economically. Private health care pays (makes up the difference) the cost of public health care. If citizens want lower health care costs, phase out medicare/medicaid. Higher health care costs is the result of public health programs (and probably a wee bit too much regulation).
visszahang 6 days ago
@visszahang unfortunately your rubuttal isnt solid because reports all over the world have states that public health care is cheaper and private health care is expensive and throws the country in debt. Plus why are you demonizing regulation? If you look at systems around the world, there regulation is meant there for safety and make sure things don't go wrong at all.
loloioi 6 days ago
I'm of the Liberal side but I don't agree with liberals today =/
And I don't agree with the conservatives either. Both sides make a nihilistic argument for policy.
Liberalism as made clear here has noble intentions but ignore human nature altogether.
Conservatism accepts the terms of liberty and then tries to toss absolute morality down your throat as if it were normal, which is just presumptuous and arrogant.
dibaterman 1 month ago
fuk dis bitch
WTFproductionsX 1 month ago
@WTFproductionsX hahahahahaha I love black people
hellabeast34 1 month ago
people are blind to what they believe in both parties are soo fucked with their ideology when people make one line argument for their party against the other party they are just showing how truly ignorant they are
TheBraxtone 2 months ago
the ironic thing about 'liberals' is they ruthlessly smash, ambush, bully and generally try to destroy all who oppose them, think differently to them or question the status quo that they impose.
nick griffin is a good example of one of the victims of UK liberalism.
godkingRoss 4 months ago
Liberalism is a joke and a mental disorder. The VAST majority of Americans are conservative on every spectrum, and the media is the ONLY reason liberalism hasn't already faded into the shame and misery that it deserves. They had the public fooled for a while, but America is waking up to the two-bit, lying, venom-spitting forked tongues that have plagued this country longer than its welcome. Rest in shame, liberalism
BlackFox0911 5 months ago
@BlackFox0911 - only mental defectives talk about a political pursuasion being a mental disorder. And the idea that the media is Liberal is a myth - a tired Republican/Conservative trope, that fails to take into account that some of the most influential political pundits are Republican/conseravative media personalities - like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, etc.
Wake up to your self.
CyeOutsider 4 months ago
The problem is that there are so many different types of liberalism and so many types of conservatism. Do you mean, socially? Fiscally? Politically? When talking about conservatism do you mean neoconservatism or paleoconservatism?
AresCassell 5 months ago
Liberals appeal to emotion
Conservatives appeal to science and logic
woaibailong 5 months ago
@woaibailong - yes but how does that explain the anti-intelleculism that is so deeply ingrained American conservatism?
Its not liberals that champion creationism, but conservatives. Its not liberals that denigrate science, but conservatives. It is not liberalism that push religion in politics, but conservatives. How do you explain the fact the demogoguery is so much a part of the Right Wing strategy for elections? Not mere populism, but demogoguery?
You disprove your own contention.
CyeOutsider 4 months ago
really? science and logic? the bible thumping, creationist pushing, global warming denying, stem cell research blocking, gay bashing are the ones who appeal to science and logic???
christmashobo1 2 months ago
Modern liberalism is based on the idea that humans can't take care of themselves, and that a special elite should take care of us. This is NOT equality, the very concepts they preach completely contradict their values. Government CANT run systems more efficiently than private business, and if you really think government is the answer, then think about the only war to be fought by private citizens in the US, they fought an oppressive government.
BadgerCat10 5 months ago
Well said brother, liked vid. Subscribed.
cpm199 6 months ago
@BEARARMZ
"abortion is just wrong and too much gov't is bad."
Who are you to decide that abortion is "wrong"? That's simply your take on it.
I believe that we should have these gov't programs, because people can refuse them but they shouldn't deny others the benefit of the offered services.
independentthinker0 6 months ago
@independentthinker0 well, if you l0ook t abortion scientifically, it's technically murder. The fetus in living organism. It feeds off of the food of the mother, it develops its vital organs while in the womb. Abortion is technically murder, so in that aspect it is wrong.
Ethically...who can say.
pseudohippie55 6 months ago
@pseudohippie55 No that is not, "technically". There is no "technical" definition of murder when it comes to this. Some might say using a condom is murder, as you are depriving future children of life, and so doing that is wrong
To me, a baby is not alive until it is born. If it is in a woman's body, it is her decision, and it is HER life, not the fetus', and that is my opinion. I respect everyone's opinion though, and honestly if it was my child I would say no to any abortion post-conception
soulevs 6 months ago
I'm liberal, and I have a question:
Wouldn't putting money in the hands of citizens just be worse because an individual has a very limited perspective, while the government can take in the whole picture?
independentthinker0 6 months ago
@independentthinker0 Like most politics, this is a gray area
What you are bringing up is what Karl Marx essentially thought, and he gave us communism. This works out on paper, but in reality the gov't usually ends up spending our money on things we may not necessarily agree with, like war or Obama's salary
(my soapbox) I am a conservative solely because I believe in limited-government to protect rights. If you cant save your money, that is your problem. The government should be kept minimal
soulevs 6 months ago
@soulevs: That is a horrible reason to be a conservative. Why not be a classical liberal/libertarian if you believe in a minimal state?
HispanicIsNotARace1 6 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 I am a classical conservative, not a neoconservative. I do not associate with republican, or the modern conservatives whatsoever
So in a sense I am libertarian, but truly I am a classical conservative. Similar, but ever so different as well
soulevs 6 months ago
מי שמרחם על האכזרים,סופו, להתאכזר לרחמנים:
asaf921 7 months ago
@asaf921 my thoughts exactly
sprinkler5802 7 months ago
Actually if you check the numbers government run programs are less expensive for the taxpayer and much more efficient than private ones.
Genius14928 7 months ago
I'm liberal, but I fucking hate welfare. People need to work for their money, and yes, there are people who deliberately do not work.
ITSbigwillystyle 7 months ago
@ITSbigwillystyle what are your liberal views then?
harrisansari1 7 months ago
@ITSbigwillystyle Yeah, I do to, I lived in the south for the majority of my life. (Even though I was born in Minnesota.) And there are SO many people living solely off of welfare.
(And yes, I'm liberal.)
icantfindausername13 7 months ago
@CasperCee - Oh. Don't get me wrong. I DESPISE Obummer. My attempt at satire may not have come out as good as I wanted it to
BlackFox0911 8 months ago
@BlackFox Everyone LOVED Obama at the start and now everyone hates him. Come on. He is not to blame for the everything. He tried to rehaul America with a lot of spending and it didn't work out. He's done decently as a president and his positive attempts to improve the country have been blocked by the corrupt Senate and Congress mostly. The Supreme Court also blocked his attempt at allowing stem cells to improve the lives of disabled people. Obama is not at fault for the problems of this country.
vgman94 7 months ago
@vgman94 I want you to tell me what you think it is obama has done to try and help this country??? Since when does it work to spend money to reduce debt? You think spending trillions of dollars on programs to allow people to not have to work will reduce the debt? By feeding people more and more money because they don't want to work and then taxing the shit out of the people who work their butts off you are not helping America. You are destroying it.
jblenkush 7 months ago
@jblenkush Stem cell research, he reversed Bush's ban on federal funding of foreign establishments that allow abortions. Under his leadership, America defeated Osama Bin Laden. He may not be perfect, but he is doing his best and the people you speak of who "don't want to work" are mostly disabled. Some people abuse their rights, but his ideas are directed to those who need aid.
vgman94 7 months ago
@vgman94 yeah but he sucks dick
harrisansari1 7 months ago
Well I'm a moderate. So there are some things I can agree with both. Personally, I think to be just a conservative, just a liberal, just a republican or just a democrat is a disservice to America
ahjrome 8 months ago
Conservatism is true american liberalism is socialism and anti american they are the hateful ones.
IfinduIgetu 8 months ago
Defending Liberalism and Abortion and Gay Marriage and Government Function. Period (continued)
2) If two people want to marry regardless of gender, let them. Keeping gay marriage illegal is just another form of social discrimination, and I will refuse to live in a country that doesn't treat their citizens equally, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. Not that I am gay or anything, it just discourages me that we still treat our fellow citizens like they don't matter.
HiryuGouki 8 months ago
@HiryuGouki nothing against gays. but abortion is just wrong and too much government is bad. too many people depending on the govt is bad.
BEARARMZ 8 months ago
@BEARARMZ Sometimes, abortion is necessary to keep the unplanned mother alive. Sometimes it's necessary to get rid of a rapist's baby. Sometimes, it's necessary if the parents weren't prepared and to avoid all the expensive hospital bills that will cripple their financial future. Sometimes, people need government assistance just to stay alive. Hospitals for the most part are government funded. Didn't know that, now did ya?
HiryuGouki 7 months ago
Defending Liberalism and Abortion and Gay Marriage and Government Function. Period:
1) If I were a woman two months pregnant, and was raped, and am now pregnant with my attacker's baby, I would abort it without even thinking. You see, when that baby is born, it is going to make me feel so damn guilty, I would end up killing myself. Look at it this way: People who are violent can pass their behaviors genetically to their offspring. Not only that, the baby would have the attackers features.
HiryuGouki 8 months ago
Obama killed Osama, 10 Somalian pirates, 2 Osama wives, and the American economy ... and wins the Nobel Peace Prize
BlackFox0911 9 months ago
@BlackFox0911 Obama DID NOT kill Osama. If Bush did what Obama wanted and promised he would do (close Guantanamo), Osama never would have been found and killed.
The location of Osama was known about for along time. Why did Obama wait till a few months ago to give our military to "go"? Because he is now campaigning for 2012. He needs something to look good on his resumé. He's been a failure at everything else he's done.
CasperCee 8 months ago
The problem with American liberals is that they're spoiled brats. They're all the time chanting about "freedom of this" and "freedom of that" because they KNOW the "freedoms of speech" will keep them safe. But I'd LOVE to see how willing a liberal would be to start arguing about their rights in a country where people get their heads blown off for a lot less.
BlackFox0911 9 months ago
@BlackFox0911 3 words just 3 words.... Libya, Syria, Morocco.
edwintorres57 8 months ago
ugh this has NOTHING to do with the political parties...these are ideologies. geeze people.
BJORT 10 months ago
In this time of despair in America, we need Conservatism. The Americans people deserve to rule themselves and get gov't out of their lives. We need much smaller gov't and MUCH less spending. We spend on so many unnecessary things and we need to stop.
Here's the point: The Constitution promises small gov't and no one becoming too powerful. Now, it's the opposite. We've become the epitome of what the Framers set out to differentiate the U.S. from - tyranny and an intrusive gov't. Go GOP! :)
82rocknroller 10 months ago
liberals are little demons who believe they are big gods put here to control and destroy your life
itubeyoublah 10 months ago
Why is the word "liberal" a bad word. To liberal means to change for the better, to improve rapidly. I don't think conservative is a bad word. Liberalism lead to women's suffrage, the end of slavery, civil rights, better working conditions, safer food, and better wages.
Mr40acresandamule 11 months ago
All conservatives have an extra X chromosome.
bobbysaysyo 1 year ago
Liberals - Brainwash the masses to standardize immoralism.
NairbLands 1 year ago
The best of conservatism = The Hobbits in the shire living in harmony.
The best of liberalism = The civil rights movement.
We need a liberal today so every one can enjoy a conservative tommarow.
dancingwithcalvin 1 year ago
Money produces greed and corruption? Okay, fine. And you don't think that government is greedy and corrupt? You don't think that the denizens of people enslaved by social programs aren't greedy with other people's tax dollars? They don't become corrupt and scam the system?
Money also enables people to invest in their future.
Who the hell is anyone to come along and determine I am greedy simply because I have money from my hard work and investment?
That's just plain corrupt of you.
visfati 1 year ago
Real conservatives?! Thisguy should really read up on history...
mcabe0131 1 year ago
My mother, a conservative, volunteers for Planned Parenthood, along with several other volunteers.
Planned Parenthood covers major expenses, such as hospital bills, while pro-life groups, indeed most activist groups, cover FAR less, so your comparison makes no sense. Of course PP costs more. This has NOTHING to do with efficiency.
When you compare utilities to utilities, medical care to medical care... efficiency is almost identical, and public programs are more dependable.
MeBeanThinking 1 year ago
i am a independent moderate and i think conservatives are heartless if you do not like my views tough every conservative that i have ever met is against helping people that are down and out calling them lazy if they are homeless or unemployed and that is bs people have been wining for the two years that obama has been in office ok republicans and conservatives what did bush do in his term nothing but be the butt of every joke in the world period
mbullins2001 1 year ago
@mbullins2001
very true man. liberals are going to be the supreme government
jiuufctsu18 1 year ago
I find it interesting that in US conservatives are the right wingers and liberals are the left wingers. Here in Brazil, the "liberals" are right wingers (because they praise economic freedom) and the left wingers call themselves socialists or social-democrats.
luizcadu 1 year ago
Conservatives ARE liberals.
ptpt1 1 year ago
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David12King 1 year ago
@David12King
Fair point. True conservatism doesn't really exist, at least not outside of a specific period of time.
ptpt1 1 year ago
my two cents here...before i watch the video....
the left/right paradigm is the social program you are referring to. I am nor liberal or conservative as I have found that I both agree and disagree with both of them.
As a human being, I cannot lower myself into either of these categories...
Okay, not to watch the video to see if you change my view. :)
Poonard 1 year ago
"I don't regret setting bombs" Professor William Ayers
That, my friends, is the REAL face of the lib movement.
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@CornFedArmen
you know...i think kissinger might've said the same thing after he bombed vietnam into oblivion... or was that daddy bush after invaded panama and killed hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians??? or was it when he bombed the crap out of iraq the first time??
or maybe it was reagan after the invasion of grenada. that little island was really dangerous you know...
geez, i forget because there have been so many acts of terrorism by conservatives... *cough* i mean, evil libs...
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon They're monitoring our people to try to prevent the one person from coming up with the one idea. And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people, because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve this problem." Professor Kamau Kambon
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon "You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies." Black Panther Party leader Samir Shabazz
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@CornFedArmen
what's your point? you cite some extreme nutjobs and act like it's mainstream...
you act like they have more influence and effect on society than kissinger, or reagan, or bush..
you act like they're anger isn't justified... as if it wasn't white people that nearly exterminated natives, and oppressed and exploited colored people for centuries (and still continue to do so)...
you act like after citing 2 crazy nutters, it's all even... have shabazz or kambon ever killed millions?
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way.
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?” Fabian Socialist George Bernard Shaw. Hmmm, exterminating those who can't pay the "price on the right to live," so loving so humanitarian so socialist.
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon "People who try to commit suicide — don't attempt to save them! . . . China is such a populous nation, it is not as if we cannot do without a few people." Chairman Mao. Wow, such compassion, such sense of community, such humanitarianism---how can anyone not believe in Socialism.
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon “A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!” (as in standing someone up against a wall before a firing squad executes him.) Che Guevara. Gee whiz, that sure is a level headed, moderate way of looking at military conflict and/or the use of the death penalty.
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon “Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!” Che Guevara. Yet more peace loving, anti-violence rhetoric from the left.
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon Or the Bay of Pigs, Serbia, or any of Clinton's random missile acts.
TheAbbott88 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Thank you for your video. As often as it is proven that Government is ineffective and wasteful, what really scares me is Leftists' inability to learn another lesson of history: the tendency for socialistic Big Government to devolve into Fascism in order to maintain power after their economic policies have collapsed the economy and their social policies have stamped out so many previously enjoyed freedoms that people begin to rebel.
Linguiphile 1 year ago
Is this about liberal vs conservative private institutions or public institutions in general?I have no problem with public schools, transportation, the police, military, public roads, the interstate. There are a lot of great public schools, public universities and such across America. Our military is perfect example of a public, government institution that is one of the best in the world. You have West Point Academy, Defense Language Institute, The Air Force Academy, V.M.I, and The Citadel.
DarthNutz 1 year ago
"Just get out there and do it YOURSELF." Perfect! That is what TRUE CHARITY AND COMPASSION IS!
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
I LEAN conservative because I believe in responsibility and in the one big rule of life: there is no easy life (at least for 99% of people) and there never will be.
redarrowhead2 1 year ago
Conservative all the way!!! Get rid of the liberals!!!
TeaPartyPatriot2012 1 year ago
Liberals such as myself believe in Liberty and Freedom where the word Liberal comes from. That everybody has the right to live they're own lives and not be interfered by government.
That everybody under law has the right to equality and live they're own lives. And be as successful in life as they're skills an production will allow. That everybody under law has the right to a quality to a good eduction. To be successful in life.
Liberalism is a different Political Ideology from Socialism.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState
Do you believe in taking money that I earn (thru taxation) and giving it to someone else that has less than I?
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
@SeaWolfe59
You mean to pay for defense, law enforcement , transportation that sorta thing?
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState
Of course not. Why would you use those examples? To create a strawman? And by transportation, do you mean roads?
I have a feeling you think Conservatives want NO taxes. That is a nonsensical idea.
Im talking about the massive social welfare programs that are exploited by the recipients, poorly managed by the government, and forced on folks that would rather engage in personal charity, rather than government imposed "compassion" via penalty of law. Thats what I mean.
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
@SeaWolfe59
One problem with American Politics is that people take one statement and automatically believe that person believes this and this from it. I never said that conservatives don't believe in any taxes. But thats what you apparently think.
You do have a point about Welfare Fraud. But if you name a Federal Program across the board in every agency and department. I could show you waste, fraud and abuse. Thats the nature of the business.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState
Ad hominem arguments abound on Youtube. I made a point about a specific problem in our government. Cant you just stick to one point rather than justifying one bad behavior/practice with another? And waste, fraud and abuse do not HAVE to be the nature of our government. There are solutions.
Now, I'll ask you again, Liberal, do you believe in redistribution of personal property (aka: legally earned income) to those that have less? Do you believe in government "charity"?
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
@SeaWolfe59
I believe government should help people who are down get themselves up with a hand up not a hand out. And that requires Tax Revenue from people who are working in order to finance this. Welfare to work being a perfect example of that. Where government can actually help.
If you want to call that "distribution of wealth" or whatever or take my statement to mean something else. Which I have a feeling you will anyway. Find thats your call.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState
So you believe that it is justifiable to take money from people that earn it and give to it others that didnt earn it, whether taxpayers agree or not....to the point that if they dont agree to pay that they will be arrested, jailed, and fined? How is that just? How is that charity? There was a time when those in need were helped by those that gave strictly thru charity. And in that time those that accepted charity did so as a very last resort and worked hard to earn their own way.
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
@SeaWolfe59
Yes but in the way I phrased it not in the way you did my words not yours. You speak for yourself and I'll speak for myself. The 1996 Welfare to Work law or TANF was a bi partisan agreement worked out between conservatives and liberals. So if you don't like that bill. Take it up with those conservatives.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState
Phrasing is always key to selling something that is otherwise unpalatable.
I have little control over compromises politicians make. I can only vote for those that want to stop the spread of ever-increasing, poorly managed social programs...and instead reduce them with very tight controls. Many Liberals, on the other hand, continue to support further confiscation of my private property (the money Ive earned). That is a clear denial of my individual liberty...my property rights.
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
@SeaWolfe59
You have liberals such as myself mixed up with Democratic Socialists perhaps intentionally. Which suggests to me your ignorance of what Liberalism is. Or its just part of the Far Right's War on Liberalism to make it look like Democratic Socialism. Liberalism and Democratic Socialism are two different Political Ideology's.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState
I understand what the traditional definition of "liberal" means. But that word has been hijacked by the Left. You should tune in to more news shows to understand the current vernacular. That goes for CNN, MSNBC, FOX, talk radio, internet, etc. They are all referring to Socialist Democrats as liberals these days. Can you prove otherwise?
All that said, if you believe in the preservation of individual freedoms and personal property rights then we are much more on the same page.
SeaWolfe59 1 year ago
@SeaWolfe59
Apparently you watch too much Cable Talk and now have that garbage stuck in your head. And get your Talking Points from FNC. I realize they've got Liberalism mixed up with Democratic Socialism. But thats because they don't understand the difference. John Kerry liberal, Bernie Sanders Democratic Socialist.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
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TheRacistsMustDie 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState Don't you mean Bernie Sanders social democrat? I don't have the idea that Bernie Sanders would ever be elected into congress if he'd be a democratic socialist, I could be wrong though. (For people who don't exactly know the difference let's say that if you've got a political left right division you'd have:
Far Left - Left - Center-Left - Center - Center-Right - Right - Far Right the democratic socialist would rather be in the Left while a social democrat would be Center-Left.)
TheRacistsMustDie 1 year ago
@TheRacistsMustDie
Bernie Sanders is an admitted Democratic Socialist. Which is different from a Classical Socialist who believes in State Ownership of the means of production. Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist which is what they have in Europe. Private Sector with a large Welfare State by American Standards.
Liberal Democrats are Center Left the President is a Liberal Democrat and is Center Left. Democratic Socialists would be Far Left by American Standards.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState Well I'm European, so that's why I thought that he'd rather be a social democrat, in my experience those have bigger amount of seats than democratic socialist. That's why I'm a bit surprised that he would be elected in the right-winged US if he'd be a democratic socialist. Guess that everything is possible. BTW a nice graph I found, textilesandbicycles.files.wordpress com/2008/06/picture-1.png you have to fill in the . of .com yourself
TheRacistsMustDie 1 year ago
@TheRacistsMustDie
"Right Wing US", give me a break now I'm insulted. You should read the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Two of the most Liberal Papers you'll ever read. With all the freedoms and rights it guarantees.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@FRSFreeState Yeah I understood now that Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. And I know you could be angry over me calling the US right wing, but for us it is a reality, there is no such thing as a big labour party and trade unions are not very strong in the US and I could go on like that. But even if that weren't the case - maybe it is the case - the feeling is there. The link I posted gives an idea of how we feel where the Americans stand. BTW this is of course not how everybody sees it.
TheRacistsMustDie 1 year ago
@TheRacistsMustDie
Apparently your not familiar with our Public Employee and Teacher Unions as well as our Auto Unions. And our Player Unions and our Aviation Unions. Your right we don't have a big Labor Party the closest would be the Democratic Party. But they are also Pro Business and capitalism as well.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@TheRacistsMustDie
No Democratic Socialist as I've said and for the reasons I laid out. He's not trying to nationalize the Auto Industry or anything like that. But he would like to see a much greater Welfare State in America. Not just Single Payer Health Care. He's not the only Democratic Socialist in Congress. Rep Dennis Kucinich's politics are very similar if not identical. As well as the Progressive Caucus.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
@TheRacistsMustDie
As I've said before Liberal Democrats are Center Left in America but perhaps considered Right Wing in Europe. We get elected to High Office all the time. Bernie Sanders would be Far Left by American Standards. But he's a great politician and represents Vermont. Which is a little different.
FRSFreeState 1 year ago
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FRSFreeState 1 year ago
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Same liberals that openly hate Christians who send their kids to Church to learn moral structure, avoid drugs, avoid premarital and promiscuous sex, etc. yet believe in tolerance for Islam, which has spread more terrorism in modern day than any other religion. When the Muslims want to build a Mosque near Ground Zero then the liberals believe in "freedom of religion." I wonder what they'd think if America took a vote on whether a Mosque should be built near Ground Zero or a Church.
RepublicanCookie 1 year ago
It's becoming harder and harder to find common sense these days. The fact that liberals believe in banning religion yet they support drag queen parades and homosexuality, is proof that common sense is on a decline. These are the same hypocritical liberals that believe the death penalty is inhumane, yet we must support abortion on demand.
RepublicanCookie 1 year ago
As an American I'm proud to say, thank God most Americans still oppose the homosexual lifestyle. Homosexuality is just as perverted as incest, bestiality, pedophilia, sado-masochism, necrophilia, etc. Remember guys heterosexuality = the natural way of life that results in reproduction, family, and keeps humanity alive. Homosexuality does none of those. It's unnatural. In addition, homosexuals are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than normal people.
RepublicanCookie 1 year ago
@RepublicanCookie We live in the 21st century. Romantic relationships don't=babies. If it was reproduction you were concerned about, on this overpopulated planet, we would also ban infertile couples from marrying, and old couples. And it is no wonder homosexuals are suicidal...because of the lack of tolerance in America.
Face the facts. It has existed far before Christianity or anything else that has stifled it. Give me one good reason why it is wrong.
LumynescenceK8 1 year ago
@LumynescenceK8 you can do whatever you want in your own home. we will NEVER agree with what you do. we ALREADY tolerate it. you just want us to accept it, which we wont so fuck off faggot. im free to call you that just like you are free to be homosexual. now get used to it just like we have to. FAGGOT.
187Unseen 1 year ago
@187Unseen Being an intolerant bigot won't do any good for society. Manning up and pushing your mind past your comfort level, to what is comfortable with you, in order to create tolerance for the world, on the other hand, does do good. Sexual orientation is not chosen, so why bully and taunt people, and drive them to suicide? Intolerance does no good, especially when it is towards something the individual did not choose. It is just because of ignorance. Nothing more.
LumynescenceK8 1 year ago
liberalism gave us our government, capitalism, ended slavery, gave woment the right to vote, social security, medicare, medicaid, gay rights, the right for women to choose, universal education, science, etc. conservatism wants to keep the status quo and how ironic that it has so many liberal ideas.
evb4mvp 1 year ago
I think programs should only be funded is necessary. "Planned parenthood?" Nah, but "pro-life" is something I can't agree on either, even though what these organizations do is good. What worries me about these private social programs are their intentions. What they may be doing is good, but it could be that they exist for the agenda of the provider.
ABoredPerson70 1 year ago
I am an ex-conservative leaning to the liberal side. I agree with fiscal responsability as well as individual accountability and independence. However when conservatives begin to defend the war in Iraq I start to smell Bull ****. The sad thing is they are not just regurgitating talking points in order to protect a party image, they actually believe it and that alienates me. (I fought in Iraq for 15 months as a cav scout so I've seen both the arguments and the reality)
wehl3318 1 year ago
@wehl3318 Well obviously looking at hindsight, the Iraq war was a mistake. Did some good come out of it? Saddam is gone, but whether Iraq remains a democracy is yet to be seen. There is potential, but that goes against decades of history. As Pres. Bush said in 2000, we should NOT be nation building. He was correct.
Remember, it was the Dems in 2006 who said we will end the war, it was Obama who said we'll end the war, here we are 4 years later still in Iraq. They used our military.
theobamafactor 1 year ago
@theobamafactor, can we be honest for a minute?
"obviously looking at hindsight, the Iraq war was NOT a mistake, it was a the result of blatant lies. for which all kinds of innocent people have had to pay with their lives and THEIR TAXES. We liberals care more about the LIVES, while you conservatives should at least give a damn about the TAXES!
Rayosun 1 year ago
@wehl3318 It really wasn't necessarily a war with Iraq, it was more against the evil terrorist rings that were embedded in the government and that ravaged the streets. The war in the middle east right now is being fought for the most noble of reasons.
TanMann6969 1 year ago
@TanMann6969 Racist.
jd55192 1 year ago
@jd55192 laff.
TanMann6969 1 year ago
@TanMann6969 What's that? Did you flunk English, LOL!!!! Dumb racist.
jd55192 1 year ago
@wehl3318
The war effort alone doesn't make you Liberal. You just described a Center-Right person. Also, your service record is irrelevant, as there are just as many Conservatives that have been down range.
teamShotFilms 1 year ago
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David12King 1 year ago
For REAL insights on the comparison between "liberalism" and "conservatism", Google "liberalslikechrist definitions" (no quotes)
Rayosun 1 year ago
@wehl3318 Most real conservatives are against the war in Iraq. Are you confusing supporting the troops with supporting the war? because there is a HUGE difference there. I supposrtour troops 100% but i completely disagree with the war in Iraq. Thank you for your service by the way..
TheBuckpole 10 months ago
Tories For the WIN :D
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon way to go genius, the guy in the video clearly states that yes it produces money and greed, his "private social" programs are the point of this video, not private corporations. ur on a whole different argument there. and besides that, you cant tell me the united states government is any less greedy than any corporation out there? just becuase they have the media behind them to make them out to be doing good makes them able to brainwash ppl like you.
bigalhorse1 1 year ago
i think "private social" programs is an oxymoron. private enterprises are not charities and are run for making profits, not for interest of society...
like you said, money produces greed and corruption. you cite medicaid and food stamps as examples, but i could cite examples of corporate corruption that have produced vastly larger amounts of theft and corruption.
conservativism doesn't fix social issues either.. if we're all corrupted by money, "giving money to citizens" is not going to fix it
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon Are you kidding me? Private social programs are far more effective and efficient than ANY public programs of like nature. It's not even close. Can I assume you are just young and unfamiliar with the world around you?
Not money - other people's money TAXES that are taken. Americans are the most generous people in the world. I suggest you watch the video again - take notes if necessary.
theobamafactor 1 year ago 3
@theobamafactor
?? maybe you're not understanding what i said. i was talking about private corporations. they are not here to serve the public.. their motive is money, not the welfare of society.. if they give any money away, its to serve as a tax write off... if they hire people, its to make the corp. money.. if they fire somebody, its because they cost too much money..
everything they do is to make a profit, not because they're nice and selfless and want to help the people ..
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon dude, you act like you've never taken an economics class. The profit motive and the inviable hand in the economy all works out for good. (I could expand on that, but I'd have to crack open the rusty economics book :P) It doesn't matter their motive, it matters what the result is.
54tumelo56 1 year ago
@54tumelo56
actually, i only took a micro economics course one time... but common sense and reality has served me better.
the profit motive doesn't always work out for good.
example:
a rare disease affects mostly people of poor 3rd world country. pharma companies have the option to develop a cure for it and get no return on their investment.... or they can develop a cure for some other trivial disease in the US where there is money to be made...
chances are slim for people in the 3rd world.
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
@theobamafactor I doubt that thing you said isn't necessarily true. We pay VERY low taxes next to a lot of countries. Do you think education is a right or a privilege? Under Republicans the state schools became for profit. Democrats raise the Pell Grant. I had to wait 5 years to get Vocational Rehabiliation cause my state didn't want an income tax. When did I get it- when FEDERAL funds came.I have lived with a reading disorder my whole life in this state and it has never been addressed until now
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Is that really freedom? Most southern baptists who love raw captialism would say the evil catholics kept the bible from them. Public schools made people literate. Sure they have problems now but do you think only the priveledged of the day should have been the only one's able to read? Back then that's how they made sure blacks couldn't vote. They used a reading test which was designed to fail them. Why are our schools so shitty now huh? Think about that one.....
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Plus Candadians pay out the nose on taxes but they are guaranteed a shot at college. Most Bush voting states ranked a 98 avg IQ. Also think about this one Arizona's State Prisons factor in how many people won't be able to read when they decide how many bed pans they need. Now the prisons are moving to 'Private" systems. What excuse for personal accountability is that shit? That's called Satanism not conservatism. When you have companies motivated to put more people in jail for
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor drug laws that are totally unconstitutional but help the drug companies and the preserve our sacred industry that's not about freedom anymore unless you think freedom is about being imprisoned physically and mentally. Not having education is slavery to the system. People being in prison doesn't make them industrious either so that throws that argument out the fucken window.
What it amounts to my friend is Corporate hippocrites like Rush limbaugh are a primal expression --
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Look at that. You wanna talk about astro-turf? I hate how you conservatives take everything that's fucked up about your party and try to twist it on us like ACORN and abortion. Do you think Pay-day loans are a good thing? ACORN doesn't think so. Soros brought Hungary from Communism to Capitalism. Don't listen to these corporate hacks.
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Private means I own it. Do you think we should privatize our interstates to foreign investors? They thought that'd be a great idea in the 70's. Do you think TVA was a bad idea? Most people here can't figure out that that was socialism and it managed to keep people from starving to death. Private industry wasn't cutting it. Just cause economists like Hayek say private industry is the most productive doesnt' make it true. A lot of the greats weren't always right. Look at other
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor other countries with ROBUST economies. They usually have a balance between private and public. You know what happens in the private sector when something gets invented like renewable energy? It's called bought up the patent by the oil companies. Seen it before. Why do you think we went to war in Iraq. Hmm. Why are most Pundits conservative and ATTACK liberalism as if it's evil? They are a visceral expression of the corporations to clear their bottom line in the short. Rush ----
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Limbaugh is a pill head for a reason. Anyone who is that big of sell out to unhinged destruction capitalism is a sick person. He knows he's wrong and he is destructive WAY more than productive. You need to start worrying about issues instead of just TAXES. Captialsm will be just fine just as long as the people who put their kids through private school and donate tons to Republican candidates can make enough to live off everyone else.
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Oh and astro-turf? You've got to be fucken joking me. You guys always pull the abortion card. That's the oldest lie in the book. They will never overturn Roe V Wade and you know that. Ford put that in place so forget it. The only thing you can say is we don't need more and more cinics. P.S. you want the Right wing Free enterprise side of astro-turf? Here's one of the HUNDREDS of fucked up groups you guys have.
google Citizens United v Federal Electino Commision.....
HoGraz 1 year ago
@theobamafactor Look at that. You wanna talk about astro-turf? I hate how you conservatives take everything that's fucked up about your party and try to twist it on us like ACORN and abortion. Do you think Pay-day loans are a good thing? ACORN doesn't think so. Soros brought Hungary from Communism to Capitalism. Don't listen to these corporate hacks.
HoGraz 1 year ago
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@theobamafactor
"Private social programs are far more effective and efficient than ANY public programs of like nature. It's not even close."
do you have any examples to support this claim?
sum1unxpected 1 year ago
@theobamafactor
"unfamiliar with the world around you" "I suggest you watch the video again - take notes..." elnegrobembon POLITELY expressed himself, as you did in your video, and you respond by brainlessly attacking him and trolling your own video.
P.S. You come off a little slow in your video, is that why you feel the need to insult people simply for sharing their opinion?
MeBeanThinking 1 year ago
@theobamafactor, I'm 74, so let me ask YOU if you are "young and unfamiliar with the world around you?
The PUBLIC Medicare and Veterans Administration spend a lot less to get more done than the US PRIVATE health plans which spend much MORE than the health plans of many other countries that get much better results.
And when it comes to the "waste" in Medicare, guess who the leeches are who rip off the PUBLIC? It's usually conservative PRIVATE contractors, i.e. REPUBLICAN TYPES !
Rayosun 1 year ago
@theobamafactor,
If conservatives and/or Republicans REALLY cared about how much Medicare costs, then why did they insist on inserting the crazy requirements of the Part D plan that
1) the govt. cannot negotiate for lower prices on medications.
2) medications can only be bought from U.S. companies, even if costs U.S. taxpayers 5 times as much.
They obviously didn't care THEN, and they don't care NOW, because what they care about is enriching the PRIVATE insurance and drug companies!.
Rayosun 1 year ago
@theobamafactor
Bingo.
What has the public sector ever created? Compare those "accomplishments" with those created in the private sector. Among the REAL citizenry.
I love when these liberals think that their nanny state government is the only fountain of goodness and prosperity in this country. In fact, it has a crappy track record.
Private citizens have advanced our culture. INDIVIDUALS and PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.
visfati 1 year ago
@visfati Well the public sector has built massive highway and interstate highways that helped foster employment and new businesses. Look at U.S. History. So I assume you believe people who work in the public sector are not real citizens? What about teachers, law enforcement, fire fighters, and public works people. I am not against private organizations. Private organizations benefit from services provide by the public sector: roads, bridges, fire protection, law enforcement.
Mr40acresandamule 11 months ago
@theobamafactor HAHA check YOUR facts buddy. People in Europe, especially Scandinavia pay up to 50% in income taxes. Generous my ass, ill give a homeless guy a couple bucks, but when it comes to paying taxes, i would hard for that money. its my money. and i dont want to give it to anybody. especially federal funding for obamacare and corporate bailouts.
TheBuckpole 11 months ago
@theobamafactor Americans (cumulatively) are the most generous people in the world. Countries in Europe (UK, France, Netherlands, etc.), however, are much more generous on a per capita basis. Can you provide an instance of a private social program working more effectively versus the systems in Scandinavia and Switzerland? Thanks.
XXXMRcoolkidXXX 11 months ago
@elnegrobembon Okay, I'll bite. Name one private social enterprise that is a bigger scam or run less efficient than Medicaid or food stamps. I think you will find that it is an impossible task. If not only for the fact that the govt does scam & inefficient better than anyone else. There is no one in the world that runs programs as large as our govt. Medicaid is being used on non-citizens for crap sake.
TheAbbott88 1 year ago
@TheAbbott88
just one? you make it almost too easy...
Halliburton.
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
America realistically can not be turned into Sweden because we aren't all blue eyed blond products of Nazi Eugenics brainwashed by the same socialist state religion for centuries into having no capacity for independent thought. Ex-Nazis with Swiss bank accounts invest in Sweden not America when we try pretending to be Sweden
Texasjim2007 1 year ago
History has shown that socialism leads to a reduction in the well being of societies as well as the happiness of people living in these scenarios. One only needs to open one's eyes to escape the programming administered by our universities full of "intellectuals". Our pool of votersl has embraced these failed beliefs to some extent. The question to ask is Why do we call them "intellectuals" if they can't evaluate data correctly? or Why do we still vote to give up our freedoms?
JustSignOut 1 year ago
@JustSignOut -So who do you listen to for your information Rush Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity ? You should stop repeating everything you hear and use a little common sense.Start by taking a look beyond our borders and see that many other countries do far more for their citizens then the U.S. Don't be the enabler for the very people who are picking your pocket while claiming that others are taking away your freedom.Only a small mind would buy into such nonsense.Wall Street is the real threat to freedom
urparanoia 1 year ago
Let's not defend other or criticize either too much. They are still generalities.
bigfilmhat 1 year ago
You haven't proved one single point you raised. I can appreciate the video - but your rhetoric is nothing new. Big government has never been reduced by Conservatives. Government fraud and siphoning of tax payer money to special interests is an A+ skill of Conservatives - look at history, my friend.
Social programs are abhorred by Conservatives - except, they often work, despite rampant abuse.
And, when did a Conservative give a f about bi-partisanship? Historically speaking.
milackk7 1 year ago
You make some good points.
I love how you respect the other side. I hate when all people do is bash.
However, when you said, "Money produces greed and corruption", I think "corporations".
IDislikeTheWorld 1 year ago
I am a Conservative-Liberal. In my believes, this means that:
- Freedom is the core of living and self-reliance is the core of freedom
- Heavy penalties and a big police force
- Government should mind their own business as much as possible but should be close to the worker; low taxes and help for the hard worker; if you don't contribute to the system, you're not in.
- A religion's power should be minimised, especially the radical islam.
pizzachickenyeah 1 year ago
You let people identify what they want to call themselves and define their philosophy by what they believe or what they believe that you selectively choose to define them by.
I am sorry, but speaking up for people who cannot speak for themselves is not the core principle of liberalism. Contemporary Liberalism is the same thing as classical liberalism, just evolved. They advocate the same things back then as they do now.
watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ&feature=related
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
Ok, facts
Liberals: All for antidisestablishmentarianism, legalization of marijuana, gay-rights, abortion, the theory of evolution.
Now I don't know everything about being a conservative, but i do know that most are against the points listed above. Now for me, being against one of those points doesn't make sense to me, that is why I consider myself as a liberal, or left. And no, just because I'm Norwegian doesn't mean I'm a socialist (Even though it works over here)
nilsen93 1 year ago
@nilsen93 Argh. stop perpetuating that myth. Atheists should be classical liberals!
if you ever wish to look into politics, and what some grounding pieces to start off with. compare bastiat's 'the law' or john locke or milton friedman. then read (or b4, if you really wish) 'de capital' and books on social/communism.
Classical libertarians are for absolute rights of the individual, anti-war. (the guy on this vid seems to know little).
u r on the wrong side!
google: "pdf bastiat law" & read
TheAttackRat 1 year ago
@TheAttackRat classical liberals and the US definition of the word liberal are opposites almost.
TheAttackRat 1 year ago