How to play Shogi(将棋) -Lesson#7- Check and Checkmate

[xitpor90]

Is it possible for a stalemate in Shogi?

[hirohiigo]

@xitpor90 No. Stalemate is a loss for the stalemated player.

[TheLuckyBeach]

wow that's nice that you can drop captured peaces :D thanks for the lesson

[N0OBKI1L3R]

man i suck while you were doin the excercises i completely forgot that you can promote T_T

[yatros1]

2:02 lol

[solidspiros95]

those lessons are awesome,you rock!!!!!!!

[OverNightGaming]

I thought dropping pieces into checkmate is illegal that is by dropping a piece you checkmate the opponent straight away

[hirohiigo]

@OverNightGaming Only mate with a dropped PAWN is illegal. Any other piece is okay to checkmate with.

[spazitude80]

be rry its because of the japanese L's sounding like R;s or is it the other way around LOL Arigato.

[bankaichigo2k8]

7:13 if you promoted the pawn then placed a gold at 2H would that have been check mate?

[hirohiigo]

@bankaichigo2k8 If you sacrifice the pawn first, there's no mate because the king can escape.

[gokharol]

this is so smart! thank you so much!!

[dcarney999]

6:54

if this pawn was not promoted this will not work correct?

[hirohiigo]

@dcarney999 That's correct. If the pawn isn't promoted then the king will be able to move to the side of the silver and escape.

[Gerstein1]

2:02

Anyone get the reference?

[Ushiodama]

@Gerstein1

Kagome-Kagome.

:D

[tjeerdypol]

HIDETCHI at 5:10 roughly, you promote the bishop, and then move it out of the top 3 rows and then move it? does this mean that you can promote before, or after you have moved provided that you at some point come into contact with the top 3 rows or enemy camp?

[HIDETCHI]

It moved to 2e from 4c as a Bishop, and then promoted.

A piece can promote when it moves TO or FROM your enemy camp.

[GratzFm]

Thank you so much for these videos. They are very helpful and make learning shogi easy to undersand! :)

[gubbanatah]

HIDETCHI, at 4:46, wouldn't it be possible to move the rook to the "Gold on the Head" position and promote it as an alternative check mate?

[Nola213]

Very similiar to western Chess , I was suprised to see a "smothered mate". Rare in Western Chess, but there is smothered mates as well.

Although I think Western Chess and Shoji are similiar. I think Shoji is a bit more complex. Because of the ability to drop a "piece in hand". That would be fun to do in Western chess.But it's also more complex because ANY piece can be promoted, in Western chess only pawns.

Thank you for these lessons! I like the way the Silver and Gold pieces move.

[Fafnerluver922]

They should make Shogi pieces with English words on them, I always forget the characters

[commentanator]

HIDETCHI i was thinking about making my own shogi set, i was wondering what kind of wood would be best for making the board and pieces.

(p.s your videos are very helpful thank you.)

[HIDETCHI]

Hi.

Check out Lesson #39.

[Ushiodama]

@HIDETCHI

Thats... alot of lessons...

[TheZumm17]

Just a small question. In one move you promoted the pawn to a toki and dropped the gold at the same time. Is this possible?

I thought promoting is combined with making your move inside the enemy's base.

[HIDETCHI]

Which time of the video are you talking about?

[TheZumm17]

@HIDETCHI It's about 6:13 ,check it out. Maybe I misunderstood you when you were talking about the CASE there is a promoted pawn =D

[HIDETCHI]

That's right.

I showed a different example where the pawn was promoted earlier.

[Hikarilight24]

Sensei, how do we say Check and Checkmate on Japanese?

Ganbayo!!!!

[HIDETCHI]

Check is "ou-te".

Checkmate is "tsu-mi".

[iLuvHinata360]

Thanks alot for the checkmate examples ^^, they really opened my eyes to the variety of possibilities, and now I have a wider strategic vision, arigato Hidetchi sensei.

[arthurlimyude]

you can only promote that piece u dropped after it made a move

[BARONSCHWARZWALD]

if you drop a piece in enemy camp can it be promoted that turn?

[hirohiigo]

@BARONSCHWARZALD: No, you cannot drop and promote a piece in the same turn. It must move after being dropped to promote.

[FoodPunch]

I'd rather they call it gold on the butt :B haha

[kosta194]

In this episode you said that the king never gets captured, because when there's a mate, the losing player resigns. But what happens if your opponent doesn't see the check that you've made? Then you capture the king, don't you?

[HIDETCHI]

If one player leaves the checked king as it is, it's a rule violation, which means he has lost the game and the game automatically ends there.

So, if your opponent have made that mistake, just point it out and you've won.

[kosta194]

Oh.. So that's how it is. Thank you.

[hirohiigo]

I've read in multiple places that the game doesn't "officially" end until the king is captured or one player resigns, unlike in chess where leaving the king in check is illegal. Is this information false? If so, then I should probably edit the Wikipedia article to clarify this.

[HIDETCHI]

Leaving the king in check is an illegal play, so the game ends right there. The information you got in other places seems false.

[hirohiigo]

Okay, thanks for the clarification. ^^;

[novatodeguitarra]

Hey that's unfair. Why don't you just say check when you threaten it? because I don't think it's funny to win that way, of course your oponent must be an idiot to do it but I don't konw.... it was really perfect until that rule don't you think? It doesn't say you're smarter than your opponent and that is what the whole game is about anyway thanks 4 the vid cheers from Uruguay

[hirohiigo]

Usually when you pass the beginner stage, you stop telling your opponent that he is in check, because he should know anyway. Some players even find it rude when you tell them they're in check, because to them, you think they're too stupid to realize they're in check.

[VV00d13]

Can you promote a piece on the drop?

So the silver becomes like the gold? od does it have to move once in the 3 last rows to be promoted?

[HIDETCHI]

Hi.

See lesson#6 for drop rules.

[WarBaboon]

From the Wikipedia entry on shogi : "A drop cannot capture a piece, nor does dropping within the promotion zone result in immediate promotion." But you can promote it, of course, when you actually get to move that piece.

[VV00d13]

Ok so you can drop apice that you've captured and checkmate the king as long as it's not with a pawn?

[CappucinoJones00]

hey, did you xbox live players know that there's a shogi game for download? it's called "shotest shogi".

[vinniram]

yeah it has pretty good tutorials which I went through.

[CappucinoJones00]

does a drop count as a turn or can you still move?

[BonanaBear]

From what I heard in the last Video, Droping takes your turn

[pizzalord1]

Thoroughly enjoying your tutorials. Had no idea this game existed but now will be attempting to but a set and teach some friends to play. Your videos are very well made, well presented and the analogies to western chess are very useful in helping me learn this game.

[rob76o1]

is promoting peace a turn taken or can u move a peace after promoting

[HIDETCHI]

As I said in the previous videos, promotion can take place only when you have moved a piece, which means when you have promoted a piece you have already made your move.

[jadarite]

You mentioned keeping the gold piece and playing the silver first.  Is this why gold pieces are considered more defender pieces and silver pieces offensive?

[HIDETCHI]

No, what I'm saying here has nothing to do with gold being more defender.

You should keep the gold because gold is a really good piece to make the final mating drop.

A silver is often a piece that you have problem in making the final mating move with, because it doesn't cover the side squares and the King can escape to the side as you can see in this video.

[HIDETCHI]

Go back to the previous one and make sure you understand it.

A player can get a piece by caputuring it from the opponent, and he can replay it by dropping.

[Rekrad626]

hmm this one was a little harder to understand but i think i get it now

[MXdetty]

yea if you can play chess (thank good i can) its a bit easyer

[neosullachiappa]

This was really great! You know, the average explanation assumes that since you understand the principle, you're good to go, but it is very important that we are given examples like these: clear but different. So we can start entering the specific view of shogi's checkmate, as opposed to the one in chess.

[WillSagdiyev]

Excellent video! Thanks.

[AstralBrandon]

i checkmated in a weird way i wanna know if it has a name...i got their king in towards the middle then from the left to the right started dropping Silvers and Golds and had a rook to stop the king from running far and it checkmated does it have a name?

[Alanynn]

Hi! Could you write the name of the mate at 8:55?

Is there any variant of shogi that allows capturing a king (so it is possible to win even without creating a checkmate)? I think I've heard about something like that, but I'm not sure.

[HIDETCHI]

It's "smothered mate".

I don't know any chess variant that allows capturing a king, either.

In shogi, you don't actually take the king even when your opponent moved his king to an attacked square by mistake, or when he didn't notice your check and failed to remove the check. Those moves will be just illegal moves and the game ends there, so you can't take the king.

[DraculBloodaxe]

so if your opponent doesn't notice check and he moves a other piece it's over? so you can't just tell your opponent once he tried to move the illegal move and if the opponent can he has to use the piece he wanted to use to remove the check and if he can't he just has to do a other move to remove check and the game goes on?

[Gerstein1]

In Chess, it's traditional to say check

[DraculBloodaxe]

but not everyone does it all the time which could lead to this misunderstanding

[finalfantasyfan900]

can you choose to promote a piece

[HIDETCHI]

Yes you can. See lesson#3.

[Mcgreag]

In the problem at 5:00 it's not really checkmate is it?

The king can move one step straight forward. The gold general can't move diagonal backwards so no check there and neither from the pawn.

[Mcgreag]

Nevermind. My misstake. That's a Horse not a Gold.

[Nvdgaarden]

Again a very valuable lesson. Are these types of exercises called tsume?

Thank you for posting. I'm learning a lot.

greetings!

[HIDETCHI]

Yes, we call them "Tsume-Shogi". In English, "checkmate problem" or "mate problem".

I'll make a lesson that is specially on mate problems later on.