Is there a law to file an Income tax return?

[judyluvsnoel]

yeah or will be in jail with wesley snipes

the irs hounded me for months to file my back years and now they owe me 6,000. actually 8, 500 including this year. morons. and this year all their efile stuff is hosed up so we can't get our refunds unil the end of february and some peeps not even then. something needs to be done about the irs. we should go to a flat 15 percent for everyone and fire most of them. we pay them to treat us like crap.

[judyluvsnoel]

yeah or will be in jail with wesley snipes

[thnksmarter]

I must have stepped on someone's politically-sensitive toes and had my comment removed by a third party. Oh well...

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

No, you just have to know how to post comments.

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid Negative ghostrider, someone was butt-hurt by what I said because it made sense.

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

LOL!! I'll stick with the truth and that facts, you stick with your butt-sex.

[WarriorVisions]

The IRS use of "voluntary" has zero to do with either filing or paying. It refers to you being allowed to voluntarily self assess your tax liability, if any, rather than having the government do it for you and send you a bill. You are required, by law, to both file a return and to pay any due taxes.

[WarriorVisions]

@thinksmarter This is the same tired argument which has been tossed out every time a tax protestor tried to use it. You want the specific law citation requiring the filing of an income tax return? Internal Revenue Code §§ 6011(a) , 6012(a) , et seq., and 6072(a). See also Treas. Reg. § 1.6011-1(a)

[thnksmarter]

Look folks I have called the IRS and they cannot cite a specific law that requires people to file (different from paying). I spoke with an H&R Block Associate and still no specific law requiring individuals to file. I spoke with a tax attorney and they tell me that there is no specific law, just a mixture of regulations thrown in the mix and force to imply that there is. But, there is nothing in black and white that says you must file (different from paying).

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

You are either a liar or are ignorant.

Title 26, Section 6012 says you have to file, Section 6151 says you have to pay.

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid So, I am automatically the ignorant one or liar? Where in Section 6012 says "everyone is required to file"? Instead of calling people names show me where it requires everyone under the sun to file.

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 61 > Subchapter A > PART II > Subpart B > § 6012 Persons required to make returns of income

(a) General rule

Returns with respect to income taxes under subtitle A shall be made by the following:

(1)

(A) Every individual having for the taxable year gross income which equals or exceeds the exemption amount...

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid So you think because it says "every individual" it applies to every individual when it is narrowed down to those subject to tax under subtitle A or any person required to file a return of information with respect to income. Look at Title 26 Section 1461 (keyword: "withholding agent".). Now look at the definition of "withholding agent" in Title 26, Section 7701(a)(16). As for "any person required to file a return of information with respect to income", income is not defined in tax code.

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

Yes, it means for "EVERY individual" subject to the Code, that means every resident of the United States and every Citizen of the States, who has over the exemption amount of income. "Withholding agents" are those who have employees to withhold income tax from, not hte averqge person out there.

The word "income" is not defined, but "gross income" and "taxable income" ARE defined. For the word "income" you use the normal, everyday definition.

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid I can see that you are just here looking for an argument. I was here to clear things up. I will not satisfy your needs, but what you are arguing touches the information at face value. It is interesting that even paid "professionals" don't have as much heart as you do in specifying the law to file. They are not looking for an argument just to argue either.

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

I'm sorry that you have chosen to remain willfully ignorant. But NOW, if you continue, you will be a liar, not just ignorant.

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid I'm sorry you have chosen to troll around on the internet all day claiming that your right about everything you argue about. It was probably you who removed my comment as I must have hit a nerve. If I'm both ignorant and a liar you must be an ignoramus sheep.

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

Now that I have proved that you are wrong you have to fall back to the ad hominem attack.

You have been proved wrong by facts, take it like a grown-up and stop your childish whining.

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid Nothing is more annoying than someone who thinks and believes wholeheartedly that they are right, especially when they don't have the slightest nuance towards the objective of being a student to a subject they feel they are an expert in. I came to clear things up and you want an argument. No thanks.

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

I am in no way an 'expert', but I obviously know more about the subject than you. The fact that you don't even try to dispute the facts but go directly for an attack on me supports my claims. I "cleared things up", you want them as confused as possible, that way people may think you know something that you don't.

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid Oh yes because you say so right? This went from disputing facts to your attacks calling me ignorant and a liar and the butt-sex crap you threw in. So, if anyone is childish you are spot on. I quit disputing facts as that is not what this is about anymore to you. It's become a name-calling pissing match and I don't want to waste your time and certainly not mine. The confusion is not me, the confusion in the code. This video is not about me, it's about a confusing code.

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

No, I don't say it's right, the law says that.

Now you are continuing to try and turn this into an argument about me, why can't you stick to the facts without attacking me? You were ignorant about the law, I showed you the law, now you are not ignorant. If you continue to say that "there is no law", you become a liar. It's VERY simple.

[RetSquid]

TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 62 > Subchapter A > § 6151 Time and place for paying tax shown on returns

(a) General rule

Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax...

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

"where it requires everyone under the sun to file."

Who ever said such a law existed? Not one person.

[unclefixer]

Yes unapportioned taxes are forbidden by the constitution. yes congress may tax, but income taxes are unapportioned and therefore by the constitution illegal. Any law passed to try and make it legal, is itself not legal. But again make your business private and give up trying to make power mad government terrorist obey the law or the constitution. Bide your time, soon these crooked bastards will fall and be running for their lives. That is what we really need to worry about, not taxes.

[unclefixer]

Title 26 is not law its code or statue and its not the same thing. Yes incme tax is voluntary, but just try and not pay!! These tax protesters are basically taking the path of "most resistance" the tax people will never accept that what they do is illegal and stop. The best approach is to make your life private and transparent. Create a corporation and it pays taxes, but much lower, and keep your personal money, the tax terrorist are never the wiser as long as they get something.

[RetSquid]

Here is ’the law’: Title 26

Section 1, imposes the tax

Section 61 defines Gross income

Section 63 defines Taxable income.

Section 6012 requires you to file a tax return if you have income of more than the exemption amount, and

Section 6151 requires you to pay the tax at the time and place fixed for the filing of your return.

[Pher0cious]

Spread the word!!! Federal income tax is "voluntary compliance"!!

[thnksmarter]

@Pher0cious FILING is voluntary compliance. It says nothing about paying.

[WarriorVisions]

Ron Paul is either lying or admitting gross incompetence as a lawmaker in this video.

[thnksmarter]

@WarriorVisions What in the world are you talking about? He is absolutely correct. There is no law the requires you to "FILE". That is different from "PAYING".

[WarriorVisions]

US Code Title 26 has the laws requiring income tax on taxable income and the filing of an income tax return. It's pretty clear cut but the tax protestors keep trying. And failing.

[victor2cutube]

for those that haven't seen it here is a very good break down of the tax code:

watch?v=NgHr4i2C2fY

[RetSquid]

That vid is full of crap. the 861 argument used has never worked in court.

[thnksmarter]

@RetSquid The vid is from a Congressman and it is correct. There is no law forcing you to "FILE", it doesn't say anything about 861, which is arguing that there is no law requiring you to "PAY". See the difference?

[RetSquid]

@thnksmarter

1) He's wrong.

2) Title 26, Section 6012 says you have to file, Section 6151 says you have to pay.

3) Section 861 does not apply to Citizens of the States. Cititzens are liable for income tax on income from anywhere in the world.

[MannaBoBannaPeople]

Any income that I receive is exempt from federal excise taxation because the activity is the exercise of a fundamental, constitutionally protected right, and federal government.... there are limitations upon Congress' power to tax and that there are

items and sources of income that are Constitutionally exempt from taxation by the federal government. Not all income is Constitutionally taxable and is referred to as exempt income being the government "under fundamental law"

[RetSquid]

So here it is: Title 26

Sections 1, 61, and 63 impose the tax,

Section 6012 requires you to file a tax return if you have income of more than the exemption amount, and

Section 6151 requires you to pay the tax at the time and place fixed for the filing of your return.

[MannaBoBannaPeople]

It's Activity or standing that counts.

[RetSquid]

"The Sixteenth Amendment declares that Congress shall have power to levy and collect taxes on income, 'from whatever source derived' without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. It was not the purpose or the effect of that amendment to bring any new subject within the taxing power. ***Congress already had the power to tax all incomes.***" Bowers, Collector v. Kerbaugh-Empire Co

[TaxTruth]

"The Sixteenth Amendment declares that Congress shall have power to levy and collect taxes on income, 'from whatever source derived' without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. It was not the purpose or the effect of that amendment to bring any new subject within the taxing power. CONGRESS ALREADY HAD THE POWER TO TAX ALL INCOMES."

Bowers, Collector v. Kerbaugh-Empire Co

[MannaBoBannaPeople]

Not all income is taxable.

[TaxTruth]

Absolutely correct, there are -some- forms of income and compensation that are exempt.

[RetSquid]

"Compensation for labor or services, paid in the form of wages or salary, has been universally held by the courts of this republic to be income, subject to the income tax laws currently applicable. . . . [Taxpayer] seems to have been inspired by various tax protesting groups across the land who postulate weird and illogical theories of tax avoidance all to the detriment of the common weal [sic] and of themselves." United States v. Romero, 640 F.2d 1014, 1016 (9th Cir. 1981).

[MannaBoBannaPeople]

In Tandy Leather Company v. United States, 347 F.2d 693 (5th Cir. 1965): that the burden in such a case is always on the collector to show, in justification of his levy and collection of an excise tax, that the statute plainly and clearly lays the tax; that, in short, thtaxes to be collectible must be clearly laid. At 694

[IRSFRAUDEXPOSED]

if you have a w-4 agreement then you are liable at your own hand

[sopmodm4]

There may not be an officialLaw voted on legally by a majority in the house and senate but they will sure as hell come to your house with Machineguns and an Armored vehicle if you don't pay them what they ask for,lol

[IRSFRAUDEXPOSED]

Really? Well ill just keep waitin on them . but im not given em shit and if they come in my house i have my own guns

[sopmodm4]

It's not worth it brother,better to hide it than to defy these spawn of the devil openly.They will make an example of you if you become someone's pet peeve.They have unchecked power and a license to maim kill and destroy.If you got enough money to need to worry about Irving Ralph and Sam then get it the hell out of here because when Obama Bin Ladin becomes "elected tyrannical ruler" he will come looking for your money to fund his porky projects,period.I operate at a loss so I don't worry,lol :D

[IRSFRAUDEXPOSED]

obama bin ladin ? o god i hope you dont say that becouse you think mccain and his puppet master lieberman are a good thing. he is going to be used to dump this crashing country on i would be more concerned about his VP that is who will call the shots. id take a muslim over a jew any day.

[sopmodm4]

And you will pay the Jizya on your knees as your daughters become chattel for the minions of the false prophet and you will long for the days of the IRS and "ZOG",ROTFLMAO

[stephen1206]

u joking

[montrealg04]

that video isnt even real.Just a guy filling in between cuts. that guy in the orange shirt was neva there with paul. get out of here

[kaysandesses]

Hate to break it to you but the video, Russo, and RP are all wrong.

26 USC 1 requires you to file an income tax return.

[PNWScout2]

Hate to break it to you but the video, Russo, and RP are all wrong.

26 USC 1 requires you to file an income tax return. Uuummm, Hate to break it to you Kandyassmoron but that isn't the law which authorizes a tax on an American citizen earning a domestic income.

[MannaBoBannaPeople]

Prove IT - THEY certainly won't and CANT

[PNWScout2]

Prove IT - THEY certainly won't and CANT

Prove what???????? That income tax is voluntary and not mandatory. I already have many times over and several different ways.

[mabusmojo66]

anybody else would have lied about the law,go ron paul!

[stillcoolat24]

I know! He needs to be in office!