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  • lol I thought Itunes turned itself on.

  • DUDE DISNEY HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO END WORLD HUNGER HALF OF IT FROM TOONTOWN AND CLUBPENGUIN

  • I used to play this game a lot, best game I played on the computer, but then my brother decided to be funny and curse a lot and be banned untill September. 1st, 2011. XD

  • @Music63035 Lol Evil brotherrrrrr

  • i remeber this fuckin GAME ive been on for 24/7 smh. i WORKED hard for all those damn rares and it closed?!?! -__________-

  • @princess123456789104 i know.. and we have a right to be mad.:D but if they re open VMK and say we'd have to start all over i would willingly start from scratch lmfao

  • idk why, but i still have hope for vmk ...

  • @Blu923the2nd I think you're right... Why did I present my idea in the firsty place? lolololololololol You're such a fucking hypocrite.

  • @BrentAndSeth Right, because I'm so arrogant for trying to present an idea to you using the most simplest of words. Oh wait, seeing you can't read this... Why am I even writing this? Oh, because I'm a troll. Bitch.

  • @BrentAndSeth For being a normal human being? Right. I'm done with you and your arrogance. See you in Hell.

  • @BrentAndSeth "Now, go troll someone else who actually cares about your pathetic excuse for a life."

    Me: You're the one who called me a dumbass. Then you tell me I have no right to call you a fat ass cunt? Fucking hypocrite

    You: Obviously for you it was just another place to try and bring people down with your dumbassness and negativity

    Go burn in Hell. Dick.

    Oh and guess what? I think about what it would be like to be with a man. Oh no... I need to go to confession!

    -_-

  • @BrentAndSeth I didn't know there was "winning" in this thing you call an argument. I tried to present to you the reason it closed, which actually makes sense, but you decided it would be best to call me an idiot because you hate to be proven wrong.

    You suck, your show sucks, you're ugly, you're friend is ugly, and I hope you and your mother die and Jesus takes a gianormous shit on your face in Hell and you are forced to have sex with Satan. Fuck you and I hope you are murdered.

  • @BrentAndSeth Right, just say that. Spare yourself the headache because you can't understand the most simplest of sentences and rather argue about how I'm "being a troll" rather than me trying to get you to understand the reason VMK closed. Idiot.

  • @BrentAndSeth Dude... You are just so stupid

  • @BrentAndSeth I threw a fit? You're the one who called me a dumbass. Then you tell me I have no right to call you a fat ass cunt? Fucking hypocrite. I want to point out what you said: "We all did our research when this game closed". Disney Online announced their business plan in October of 2008(?). It had nothing to do with money. There are hundreds of free games on Disney . com. VMK wasn't necessarily a home away from home to me. I did have some friends on there, but it was merely a game to me

  • @Blu923the2nd That's all VMK was and ever will be. A game. I loved it, don't get me wrong. It, unlike most people, wasn't my life for the 3 years it was open. I enjoyed it and was nice to everyone I met, but I preferred to play other games such as Club Penguin and going out rather than sitting on the computer until VMK closed for the day. Back to the business plan, go to VMKMagic and look at some of the threads. They give some pretty good facts about this business plan and how it affected VMK

  • @BrentAndSeth Are you fucking kidding me? Getting pissed at me because I did my research? They had a change in their business plan, thinking it would work, but it turns out it's failing. Don't try to argue with me when there is nothing to argue about (especially when the subject is about a virtual world). Fuck you fat ass cunt.

  • @BrentAndSeth Yeah.... Right

  • @BrentAndSeth I couldn't have been more clear with what I said. You just don't understand some of the words probably (like franchise). Who the hell said I hated Disney? I never said that. I said they changed their business plan, resulting in the closure of VMK, was failing (which it is, look up the effing evidence). Learn proper English and go extend your vocabulary. Then I want you to re-read my comments, then you'll understand. -_-

  • @BrentAndSeth What? What you just said makes no sense -_-

  • @BrentAndSeth Did you NOT read my example? Disney wanted to make games off of their FRANCHISES (like Disney Princesses and Pirates) . But VMK was a game where they could throw any Disney franchise into. That's what was getting in their way. Should they have just one game containing few items from Disney franchises, or entire games dedicated to them? Which one means more money from the company? If they kept VMK open, Disney Interactive, not the Disney company itself, would be shut down.

  • @BrentAndSeth PART 2

    Lets say Disney wanted to make a MMORPG based off The Little Mermaid. However, if they already had a game (VMK) where they could spend less time and money by placing Little Mermaid items and games in one game that could hold any Disney property, why would they make an entire game based off of this franchise? Money. Disney wants money. So instead of keep on placing stuff in VMK, they could make an entire game dedicated to whatever they want. VMK just didn't work.

  • @BrentAndSeth Did you not read what I posed below? This is why they closed VMK:

    Disney Online had a new business plan. This was to make virtual worlds and games based on their popular franchises. However, something was wrong: VMK was a game based off the Disney Parks, which promote all of Disney's franchises. So if Disney Online wanted to put some Princess stuff in VMK, they could. Why? Because it all fit together. Let me explain a little better...

    END OF PART 1 (out of characters)

  • This isn't even CLOSE on why VMK closed. It closed because Disney had a change in business plans. VMK didn't fit the standards, sadly. Ever since that business plan went in power, Disney's games have been losing popularity. Now Club Penguin isn't really fitting the standards last I heard.

    Sulake, Disney Stores, Disney theme parks, or whatever didn't have anything to do with VMK's closure, the business plan ended it all.

  • omg i called disney and the dude in charge (Robert A. Iger) like sooo totally didnt talk 2 me even though i told his secretary how important it was!!! ugh i hate disney like seriously oh and when i told them it was about vmk they sounded nervouus

  • i had surgery the day it closed -.-

  • Hey hopes for vmk is not over go to vmkrevisited and u get to explore again oh and forget the .com

  • @pitty800 I went to this website and it pained me too much to even look at those pictures. i felt like crying i was sooo sad. it takes to much emotion to relive those memories... stupid saluke had to ruin everything.... MARK MY WORDS VMK WAS THE BEST DISNEY GAME TO EVER LIVE AND SHOULD BE RESURECTED FOR IT WAS SO AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VMK WILL BE BACK EVEN THOUGH ITS BEEN FOUR YEARS I STILL HAVE HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • good memerires! i remember going to disneyworld buying the game cards to get pins! good times.. miss it alot!

  • not just money, its because it was a anniversary that lasted too long so it just HAD to close >.< 

    D=

  • Many kids hearts were crushed, it was my first Online Game I've played, I learned a lot from Vmk...

  • disney is not in trouble... They make enough money on parking alone at one theme park to run vmk and pay the staff, not to mention tickets and all the world wide parks and their movies. need i go on. Disny is a multi-billion/trillion dollar company. A bad year for them is making 5.3 trillion rather than 5.4 . We wont really know why they close until disney tells us which they wont. In my opinion Disney worked with another company and that company wanted to be paid more. Don't be spreadin rumors.

  • @Alphaturtle94 I agree. I was just at Disneyland a month ago. They're so good running they're building new rides. A cars world, new rides, world of color (currently running.) It's definately not being shut down.

  • @Alphaturtle94 Actually, I know why it closed. My family's friend works for Disney and he helped create VMK. The reason they closed it was becase they made VMK to help celebrate the year of a million dreams. It was supposed to be open for ONE year, but since it had so much succses, they had it opened for longer. Finally, they closed it after a the next year.

    I know it's sad :,(

  • please change the background so we can all read this....cause we cant

  • We cant read the writing!

  • We need to do all we can to save disney!!! I can't have my childhood dispear. My childhood was always playing att disney world EVERY day!!! Please help!

  • i want it all back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • i was like 8 when i started playing and im 12 now :( it was suppose to close on my birthday but it didn't also i starting playing the very first day it opened

  • @pmr1308 me to best game i hate vfk i always see people say bring back vmk on there

  • It wasn't Disney's fault, Sulake quit on Disney. Disney used the think about VMK being a promotion to cover up that fact!

  • I would pay to play VMK. Disney is opening a cars world, WHY CARS? Disney won't be going out of business, they have thousands of people who go to their parks eveyday and going out of business won't happen. It wasn't disney's falt, it was the company working with them, Sulake, who quit to do other games. I was Doclilac on VMK

  • they keep toontown bc lots of people pay but why couldnt they at least try with vmk people would of paid for itat least i would

  • i remember vmk /:

    i was awsomeyumiami .

    lol.

  • i was blonde something or other but god i miss it a i just want to ugh come back

  • But if you think about it Disney has gained hundreds for the shows it has now or then...so it might not come back

  • I was avatardreamer :(

  • I hope Disney goes out of buisness. They deserve to after destroying millions of kids memories and fun at VMK.

    I hope Disney dies and goes to he||.

    >:(

  • im 13 now and when i was 11 i loved playing VMK i would gladly pay at most $5 a month to play VMK again...

    I was Rasendon on VMK if anyone knows me =/

  • i couldnt read the text :(

  • i was jallicio, and my alterego tikilikiman :////

  • I'd rather pay to play VMK than have it closedd ): does anyone know SweetWings? she was my friend.. i was GGgirl

  • Man that video made me so sad and it brought so many memories back!

    i was theatre-girl

    and i remember i did a lot of plays and stuff on there and i had almost everything bc i always did quests in the parks and everything

    <3 Hold on to Magic <3

  • I'm looking for RightPinkSecret, SonicBlack, and nmbc. they were my bff's in magic and i just found pics of me and them ]; plz help if u no anything about them

  • that was a rly fun game and i hope it reopens my name was narsissa

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  • I think they should've did a Habbo and have normal money and Exclusive items only purchasable by special money bought from real money

  • i was thinking yesterday and that if everybody in the world stopped doing, listening, watching, buying disney stuff......talk about bankrupt. they'll HAVE to bring back vmk. I was princesslikeable.

  • I cant even see what u were typing

  • I have an idea.....

    If you play smalloworlds or weeworld,

    you know how you can have an option wether to earn points OR PAY for them.

    Maybe if vmk made it so you can EARN AND BUY CREDITS, they would have enough money to run the game.

    Do you get what I'm saying?

    (CocoBandicoot from vmk)

  • When you said "P.S. Is it just me or do you hear the ring of Main Street in your ears and the click of your keyboard talking to your friends?" that made my eyes water. I miss VMK. LONG LIVE VMK! In our hearts, in our souls...don't let the flame die...don't let the magic disappear...keep VMK alive!

    Btw, I was Dreams_Girl, for all you fellow "ex-"VMK-players.

    Oh, and I was reported for saying the United States Flag Hat by some Guest. I got banned for a month. April 10-May 10. Dumb, right?

  • Guys to get vmk back, it was all free, so if they make it so that a few of the rare items are availible by real cash (kinda lyk yoville) maybe the vmk players can help with the profits in keeping VMK alive again. spending actual money may be a sacrifice but if it gets vmk back I know I would be all for it! I'm not saying it should cost you to make an account, no, that should still be free, I'm saying for some of the items!! hopefully nothing will be over $10 i think that's reasonable and fair

  • seriously I think we can all work together for VMK these kinds of things cost money to run and keep working (so i hear) so if all of us VMK fans are willing to help out they might consider bringing it back. It might have a few tweaks but still it's worth a shot right?

  • it would be better to have kids to play a nonmembership or they can pay to have a membership

  • My name was stitchandstich:(

  • OMGGGGG THE DISNEY STORE I USED TO GO TO IT IN THE MALL WHEN I WAS LIKE 5 YEARS OLD IT WAS MY FAVE STORE IN THE WORLD....but they closed it..wat was wrong with that store... nothing.. wat was wrong with vmk... nothing.. absolutely nothing

  • actually its weird the same time vmk was closing, a disney store in kings plaza closed down.

  • Holy shiit king plaza on big island?

  • does anyone remember redsoxfreek 23 i got banned everyweek and on the last day they let u do anything you want u couldnt get banned

  • The last day my friend got banned :P....

  • Well they ddint need to close it i bet if they made us pay like 5 dollars a month alot of people would have still played!

  • i bet u that next up closing is Disneys Toontown Online

  • i agree with you they should've just closed stupid toontown instead of vmk. but yeah not many people go on that it's either that or pirates online.

  • I knew you!! I was miasverycool

  • VFK: Rabbygirl/CheeseJerkey/Helpful

    VMK: Rabbygirl If we all sent like 10$ or 20$ each, we would be able to get it back...

  • if they all of a sudden made it pay to play right before they closed, Alot of people would have lost their members that didn't want to pay...So they did a right hting

  • Now if they just did the Pay to Play idea a lot of people were talking about, they might not of closed it for the money troubles. :/

  • i always knew the reason VMK was closed was because disney made no money from it. i knew it wasnt bc " it was a promotion for disneylands 50th anniversary and it ran over its expected life"

  • Wow, that was so hard to read, i almost started crying, my friend showed me vmk 2 years ago, i was like 8, i thought it was pointless, but when i started playing games, decorating my room and taking quests, after 2 months i was in love with vmk, when i told my mom that it was closing, she was upset cause that was the only thing i played. My fav game was fireworks, i would almost come in 1 place everytime i played.

    I was quweenofsoccer, the owner of disney cafe, that place was always busy.

    bye!

  • OMG SAME WITH ME i was 8 and my sister showed me VMK i remember people would give me complements but i was to little to understand so i was like "omg cool" LOL im 10 now and for the past day ive been vmk dieing

  • i was starflier226 on VMK

  • i see me ;o

    i miss vmk... :l

  • This was kinda hard to read..

    And this isn't the reason.

    Read MrMrKennedyKennedy's post below mine. That is the real reason. If you played VMK, add me as a friend!!

  • Umm thats not the real reason... vmk i asked on help why it was closing.. they said because it was only meant to for its 50th anniversary... but then that pasted... and then Sulake.. so actually two reasons.. Sulake closed it because they didnt get enough money and it was only suppose to stay for a year cause of the 50th anniverary.. so they kept it because tons of people liked it... but then Sulake... On it was i Coperfield btw

  • My name was Icesnowgame i love you my claudiaannher if your on this video

  • Its not very easy to read, and they DID not close the disney store i still go to it in the bull ring

  • i still go in lester (:

  • I was msweetsummerrain, snoofly if ur out there please message me :( i miss you so much.

  • I was RockingCloudyShark

  • I was AceGuyAye and dang it was a retarded name

  • Oh, and, my username on it was lilruby, and before that it was ComicHoney :3

  • O really?

    I've heard that it was because VMK was bought out by another owner (Kinda like when Club Penguin was bought out by Disney from the original owner). This person(s) got bored and bailed on all of us.

    I've heard other reasons, but this is the only one I can remember.

    They SAY VMK should be reopening in like a year, year and a half or so, but nobody knows for sure.

    We may never know why VMK closed. We may never know if it will reopen.

    All we can do is hope though, right?

  • true true.

    it was meant to be just a little celebration for the 50th anniversary. They were going to end it sooner but sooo many people started playing it, the extended it. What i heard is that they ended it because of that reason.

    But this could be true. nobody will ever know for sure.

  • I knew BriannaLynn too. :) We were pretty good friends. you know the funny thing is i forgot my name. well actually it kinda sucks because now i cant find people i used to know. like this one girl her name was princesscutie-something i dont remember. :(

  • i forgot my name too :(

  • Disney seldom forgets such succesful ideas, right, as people said? I know Disney is NOT hot water. And I reckon they will have to bring VMK back because of all of us demanding fans! If they don't. yes, they will probably drown in warm water. I WANT VMK BACK!!!! VMKers, unite!

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  • I was scaryspotlessedge on vmk, even tho the name "ScarySpotlessedge" is a stupid name

  • I was OrangeOceans on VMK =)

    Maybe i knew you, that sounds familliar

  • omg i knew briannalynn in the first pic she was my best friend on that game!!

  • whoosh says hi:D

  • thats total bullshit! vmk only closed becuase it was a promotion.... disney is one of the highest paid companies of all time (other than the financial companies) disney will never run out of money

  • I can't read any of that writting on the video. It's not clear enough!

  • Say good bye to Club Peinguin....

  • The thing is it NEVER said on vmk "Happy 50th anniversery!" And why would you get rid of an over populated game?It was a huge hit plus It was practicly teaching kids about being polite,typing skills,and friendships so DUH!

  • i agree with miley cyrus. wuts ur penguins name mine is penguin something

  • The only reason VMK closed was because it was a promotion only game for the fiftieth anniversary of Disneyland in 2005. The large feedback from users playing the game kept it open those additional years. Disneyland is not having any economic trouble at all through our nation's depression. If it was having trouble the 1.1 billion dollars for restoration and advancement of DCA would not be happening.

  • I have a really hard time believing 50th anniversary reason because VMK was never promoted as such. From the very beginning Disney portrayed VMK as a virtual version of the theme parks that would be permenant and evolving. It was never advertised as a temporary "promotion." But VMK fans really shouldn't worry too much, because the Kingdom Keepers books seem to be pretty successful and Disney never leaves a good idea dead for long. Look at the new Witch Mountain remake.

  • @ Greeneflower

    They are thinking about cosing CP but not for sure.

  • I don't believe that since Disney is using 1.1 billion dollars to rebuild Disney California Adventure

  • thats not why well at least i dont think i am pretty sure that it closed because it was only or the fithy of disneyland

  • thats why clubpenguin makes u pay D:

  • No clubpenguin made you pay before disney even got involved with it

  • I really hope VMK will reopen. I mean, millions of dollars went into all the account information, so could, if they open, retrieve all our friends, and pins, and quests, and even messages? That is a huge question I'll be stuck on for quite a while.. By the way, I was Jelly on VMK

  • Because VMK closed, i dont play any more Disney games (Toontown, CP, etc.) I think because VMK closed it affected the entire Disney company. Like the quests. And the Disney stores. But seriously, now Club Penguin. These guys really should borrow money from the government, unless their greedy whcih they probably are. Unemployment of some companies are goingfro 7% to 10%. Ughh dont think im some adult or anything im just a kid that watches Good Morning America\! :)

    HAHAA

  • LOL, samer. I always watch the Today Show while I eat my breakfast... I only watched Good Morning America when it was Britney's (Spears) birthday... or was that a different show?

  • Ok thats not why they shut it down VMK did make profits did you forget the code cards?? Sulake made all the stuff like the raphics and stuff. Sulake also works on Habbo.Habbo makes you buy coins and alot of people have 3000-4000 coins so they were getting MILLIONS of dollars from profits.They made a correct bussiness choice and made habbo better, so mroe ppl would buy coins.BUT in Spring of 2009 Falling Stars Productions is making VMK Unleashed. And its legal. They dont own the VMK logo anymore.

  • When I went to Disney World and Disneyland, the two groups of people who were ahead of my family and I and we talked some and both of the groups were just doing the quests for fun, getting to know the secrets and such of the parks better. While the code cards did make money, it can not be proved anyone did it actually for VMK, as the only witness would be yourself if you wanted to do it, your family members can not say that was what were you thinking. Therefore, indirect profits.

  • OMG Is CP Going to close!???? NOT THAT TOO! OH PLEASE!!!

  • OK!

    1. The we're rebuilding the Disney Store

    2. VMK is coming back in two years time.

  • Stupid economy... It's been changing everything

  • obama will save us, but i highly doubt that half our heart will be healed... :(

  • our economy is getting ugly every minute, its up for obama now to save us

  • i agree! :D

  • And again that not the reason beacause theres disney movie rewards codes that are worth a milloin dolloars in disney platinum edition movies

  • i doubt that the reason because Disney is putting a billion dollars to make disney california adventure better because not much people went there and thy are going to improve it

  • wow. so that's the real reason.

  • Yeah, so did mine :( I think all of them closed down. :(

  • :( Disney store rocked.

  • My disney store closed down i started to cry a little bit.. :( i want my disney back!!

  • Yes I had this Disney store I always used to go to when I was younger one of my fav memories was getting a 101 dalmation stuff animal and Jetta from Lady and the Tramp and then we went home from the mall and I was playing with Playdoh with my stuff animals besides me and the flurries went into this blizzard that was supposed to happen the enxt day ;) <3d the diseystores

  • =O!! My disney store closed down!

  • I DEFEDENTLY HEAR MAIN STREET BELLS RINING IN MY EARS :) nope my caps locks not broke... random is cool :)

  • <3 the game

    <3 the song

  • i know why they closed. Vmk was for the disneylands's 50th. p.s do you know what i mean? i also love that song. LOVEBUG!!!!! ( by jonas brothers )

  • That's a lie. They kept it open all last year and last year was the year of a million dreams. They didn't expect it to be such a big hit with the tween audience, so they kept it open. VMK made indirect money payments, of things like promotions. Go to Disneyland, get a Stitch hat. I only went to Disneyland for Stitch. But there was no way to prove it was money for VMK so it made nothing. Plus, it opened before 50th was kicked off ;)

  • Well ya VMK is closed because they were paying money to keep it up... But they were making no money from it, so it was just a waste of money Especially now that the economy is crashing

  • I really couldn't see what you wrote but, VMK is not closed because of Disney Stores. Disney really has nothing to do with VMK they only use there designs and ideas. I mean it is more related to Sulake only because they made the game happen. Sulake made the game happen, I think it is time i said goodbye :(

  • Yah I realized that so I made a different video. Disney is trying to make a Virtual Disneyworld and more... or Epcot or AK or MGM... click the video like that on my page. Sulake taught Disney some codes and Disney is supposedly buddy*buddy with Google Earth animations.

  • That was a sad day VMK closed , sad sad. But I do have hope , even though there are no plans in reopening vmk,

  • Unrealesed items = lie

    50th promotion thing for VMK = lie

    Why can't that be a lie if all we get is lies?

    Plus, why would they put that on there if they don't see our youtube or anything where we mainly talk about VMK reopening. Maybe they posted that so nobody gets suspicious they're doing something to get our characters and VMK back... :)

  • i surely hope yer right.

    i would literally boycott and rant every day if i lived near disney ,

    and i still do here in jersey

  • I'm always right lol what was your VMK name?

  • yea.. mhm.

    mine was

    RainBowE

  • Mine was CaptBrittney

  • well lil miss hannah montana is making millions .. why dont they close her done and her little jo ass brothers

    take that disney coporation.

  • Jonas brothers, btw ;) I understand your jealous that they have a million girls at the palm of their hand, including your crush. I recommend you learn how to spell too, and cussing only makes you seem childish and immature.

  • i think they suck and all but the cussing parts so true lol :) i hate rich people most of them are retarded they only care about themselves money over powers them

  • Yup, Our economy is breaking down, that's why VMK closed, as you said, Disney is in trouble (sorry I'm just sort of restating it it was hard to read in the video.) Our economy is going down because of George Bush's little Irag War he started. Nice going, pres..

  • I should be the president.

  • LOL yeah!

  • and while your at it put on the i am going to start a fight in there haha ^_^ that what i would do

  • thank you for the info :)

  • Sorry it's fake information I have a different video which has actual proof by digging through the Sulake archives and contracts. It's my one about a Virtual Epcot, Animal Kingdom, and MGM.

  • I was in disney recentley when a dream maker came up to me and asked for a wish. I asked for VMK to reopen, and she said that that was their 4th wish today! They said they can't becuase sulake was not making enough from disney and they couldn't hold their contract.

  • Whoah! Cooool! I soo believe you because (duh) they can't give all the details. Sulake signed a contract with Nick (Disney's enemy) and so basically yah Disney cut the contract Sulake couldn't hold it. I bet if she new that it was a VMK staff member or maybe even a host ;)

  • They should just make us pay to play! I think most of us would!

  • lol attackthebonbons i told you that was my theory knew it was money and with the economy so low businesses going under left and right they had no choose but to close it and hen you think about it its not disney disney has diffrent branches they try to make a living all disney workers and they get paided little as it is if anything disneys head people are a little greedy but what can we do? till gas prices stop going through the roof and the price of supplies we need to live drop. peace

  • well. there is a big mall where I live and the disney store there is closed.

  • I see my charecter x]

    I wish VMK didn't close i went to disney after it did and went "backstage" disney and ask they said this "we planned on closing stores and some games they do bring disney money but just not enough for how much they are to keep up, besides much of the stuff in the disney stores in malls etc. you can get a better product at the "Real" disney['s]"

  • i miss vmk so much but what can we do money made it close so how the economy goes back up but even so i bet vmk willonly be memories (i hope i dont forget!)

  • I am hoping that they don't close down the real thing :( my friend recently went and she protested at main street she really didn't care that she spent so much money just to get kiked out :( her little sister turned back to being emo i am so mad they did that :(

  • omg odd and dumb i wouldnt waste my money on disney they dont care about us protesting in side only out because if we are in we just gave them what they want money thats all disney ceos want MONEY!

  • I know she is but she wants it back - people do crazy things