Ben has stated more than once that he approaches writing for guitar as he would writing for drums...which explains why DEPs guitars are "punchy"..plus everything is in E...
@johndillinger1932 Odd.. because thats exactly what Kurt from Converge said! He said he actually wishes he was a drummer.. and plays guitar like as if he was writing drum tracks. I think I read that in a Decibel magazine interview or somewhere. but yeah, thats crazy ben said the same thing... might be an interesting way to think if writing good intricate guitar riffs haha
@nashvegas20 it also happens to be the way Thomas Erak from The Fall of Troy writes guitar...but then again he is a drummer and has only been playing guitar for about 11 years....though when he does play guitar god damn if it isnt intense
@johndillinger1932 wow, thats just wild.. interesting. I know Brann Dailor from Mastodon started off playing drums trying to keep up with the guitarist in his band lol.. I saw him in an interview say that. He just tried to play drums like a guitarist would play. So interesting how those two instruments/musicians intertwine so much
To truly appreciate Dillinger you have to be sitting alone in a room with a good set of headphones and just listen, then you slowly realise how fucking awesome it is !
This is the song that got me into DEP. The off-kilter blast beat riff to start and close the song (7/8, 9/8, 7/8 alternating or whatever the fuck it is lol) featuring the dissonant chords and chaotic screams did it for me.
This song got me off drugs.When ever I got the Jones.I would blast this and destroy my room til' i felt better.The cops showed up like 5 times till they got bored.My neighbor would cross herself when ever she saw me.Thanks DEP!!!Im alive and well...And a little DEF.
I don't like mathcore much in general, don't like Dillinger's other albums much, but this song is my favorite song from my favorite album of all time. I don't know what it is, but they really did something right with this album. It's perfect in my opinion.
I really don't like the way this sounds. The guys in this band (minus the vocalist) might be technically good at playing their instruments, but they have no musicality. I'm not talking about that gay radio friendly crap. This stuff just doesn't sound good to me at all.
This may sound strange, but that kind of is the point. This music represents (to me) pure and uncompromised chaos which comes from the speed, the stress on dissonance (I don't understand how they do it but it clearly is all very dissonant) and the vocalist's screams (and it's actually very demanding technically to scream like that if you don't want to fuck up your voice) creates an atmosphere of chaos and destruction which is just priceless...for me. To each his own.
I hear technical mastery and a succinct style (this is why I listen to this group). The lyrics seem to represent a psychotic obsession over a girl. I'm not really seeing the whole chaos thing.
@Altairograph Sire, first of all, you have my respect for not being a troll against me. Second, good sources about serialism? Studying pieces of serial composers, reading Wikipedia articles (trust me, they have some useful lines every now and then), reading books about it, or even articles, like Pierre Boulez wrote some (even though he is really rude, imposing and close-minded, but still a good source).
@discofishing Actually, they do have musicality, just because it's not 3 chord, Ramones-ey music, doesn't mean there's no music here. You just have to pay attention to it.
@crassisdead I don't listen to punk. That music is just too political. I don't care about someone's socialist/communist ideological leanings. I listen to Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Dream Theater, Rush, etc. I couldn't afford too many CDs when I was a kid, so I listened to a lot of the older stuff. I've honestly tried to pay attention and see why it's called math metal, being an applied math major myself. I just can't get into it. The closest I've gotten are progressive metal bands.
@discofishing Punk isn't political in itself. Sure, there are lots of political punk bands, but political lyrics don't define a band as punk at all. Check out The Lawrence Arms' or Jawbreaker's lyrics, nothing political about them. I understand why you can't get into this. It's extremely difficult to listen to if you aren't familiar with it.
@crassisdead I don't know what else to say. I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music (minus rap), but I can't get into this stuff. I'm a technical guy, I like technical music. I know all my scales and modes on guitar and play with a metronome. I like the technical stuff, I just can't get into this music. I gave it a shot. I like Animals as Leaders, who toured with these guys, but I can't get into DEP, for the same reason I can't get into Between the Buried and Me. The stuff doesn't flow.
@discofishing I totally get what you mean about BTBAM. I like Between the Buried and Me's first 4 albums but their latest album is just a pretentious pile of crap. They write long songs for the sake of writing long songs and they have a polka intro to one of their songs on it.
I disagree, I think it's that they couldn't seperate the songs without compromising the integrity of them, that's why they are long, BTBAM isn't extremely well known so what good would it do them to write long songs just for the sake of it? And I have no clue about the polka intro you are talking about. Maybe you're thinking of the piano in swim to the moon? anyway I just think they couldn't bring themselves to shorten the songs, they liked playing them whole.
@leachables I may have overreacted when I said that. Believe it or not, I do like The Great Misdirect, but some of the stuff on there makes me cringe at how awkwardly it fits in with the song. And by "polka", I mean the intro to their song Fossil Genera.
BTBAM aren't metal. There's some hardcore, some prog and a tiny (tiny) bit of death metal thrown in. They have some small metal elements, but that doesn't make them a metal band.
@cyurisich Camilla Rhodes is death metal...all the riffs are based on minor thirds and chromaic chugs. Only growls. Coulrophobia and anablaphobia are death metal / mathcore. Croakies n boatshoes is straight up death metal. Audiodidact is straight death metal. Thats just to name a few.
this isn't metal, koobzor (neither is BTBAM, for that matter). Decent live band these guys, although it's been a while since I've listened to them.. I've completely gone off this techy -core sort of stuff.
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seriously, I love metal, BTBAM if my favourite band but... I don't get why people praise DEP so much, their music if fucking bullshit noise... people call this creative or inovative but I call that shit.
When you get used to rapid time signature changes this type of music can be pretty relaxing, regardless chaotic music always comes down to either liking or not liking it there's rarely any middle ground. Personally I loved the chaotic sound since the first time I heard it
I stood in the crowd with my jaw dropped half of the time when they played over here. They have a machine like accuracy. It was really a shocking experience. But no doubt a great one!
I like that that part that starts around one minute and last till the end.
mattdd05 1 week ago
Ben has stated more than once that he approaches writing for guitar as he would writing for drums...which explains why DEPs guitars are "punchy"..plus everything is in E...
johndillinger1932 1 month ago
@johndillinger1932 Odd.. because thats exactly what Kurt from Converge said! He said he actually wishes he was a drummer.. and plays guitar like as if he was writing drum tracks. I think I read that in a Decibel magazine interview or somewhere. but yeah, thats crazy ben said the same thing... might be an interesting way to think if writing good intricate guitar riffs haha
nashvegas20 3 weeks ago
@nashvegas20 it also happens to be the way Thomas Erak from The Fall of Troy writes guitar...but then again he is a drummer and has only been playing guitar for about 11 years....though when he does play guitar god damn if it isnt intense
johndillinger1932 3 weeks ago
@johndillinger1932 wow, thats just wild.. interesting. I know Brann Dailor from Mastodon started off playing drums trying to keep up with the guitarist in his band lol.. I saw him in an interview say that. He just tried to play drums like a guitarist would play. So interesting how those two instruments/musicians intertwine so much
nashvegas20 2 weeks ago
0:01 - 1:57 is my favorite part
211HighGravityLager 2 months ago
To truly appreciate Dillinger you have to be sitting alone in a room with a good set of headphones and just listen, then you slowly realise how fucking awesome it is !
Bkesal14 4 months ago
still the best! NO ONE is above DEP!!
guguigugu 4 months ago
This is the song that got me into DEP. The off-kilter blast beat riff to start and close the song (7/8, 9/8, 7/8 alternating or whatever the fuck it is lol) featuring the dissonant chords and chaotic screams did it for me.
toddles822 10 months ago
Destros secret is hes boning the baroness!!!
blaztradiouz666 11 months ago 2
Wow there's a little bit of funk in there from 42 sec to 54 and then 1:00 to 1:06ish. Fun that they experement with different textures.
holygroove2 1 year ago
@holygroove2
Dillinger uses lots of funk/jazzy elements here and there... much more so now, but in the days of Calculating Infinity as well.
FractalRaver 1 year ago
@holygroove2 the drumming is phenomenal at that part. Fucking jazz training right there.
ibanezgeorge 5 months ago
0:35 to 1:44 is so fucking boss I cannot stand it.
sportsboy85 1 year ago
What kind of childhood trauma i've had to like this shit... And boy ain't that last blastbeat riff funny!
teepeeth 1 year ago
This song got me off drugs.When ever I got the Jones.I would blast this and destroy my room til' i felt better.The cops showed up like 5 times till they got bored.My neighbor would cross herself when ever she saw me.Thanks DEP!!!Im alive and well...And a little DEF.
blaztradiouz666 1 year ago
AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!LOVE THIS SHIT MAN!!!!!
blaztradiouz666 1 year ago
Excuse me everybody, please shut the fuck up. I don't want to hear why you like this band because I can't even figure out why I do either.
Beenyad 1 year ago 2
I love how the opening riff just bursts out randomly at the end. Pure, adrenalising chaos.
digitalbath3 1 year ago
<3 Dep
TheJamieVanity 1 year ago
Listening to this track made me realise I feel more at home with the aliens than the rest of you.
Scratch47 1 year ago 3
I don't like mathcore much in general, don't like Dillinger's other albums much, but this song is my favorite song from my favorite album of all time. I don't know what it is, but they really did something right with this album. It's perfect in my opinion.
underscoreisnotvalid 1 year ago
SCRATCHED OUT MY EYYYYYYYESSSS
rhombuslover69 1 year ago 3
I really don't like the way this sounds. The guys in this band (minus the vocalist) might be technically good at playing their instruments, but they have no musicality. I'm not talking about that gay radio friendly crap. This stuff just doesn't sound good to me at all.
discofishing 1 year ago
This may sound strange, but that kind of is the point. This music represents (to me) pure and uncompromised chaos which comes from the speed, the stress on dissonance (I don't understand how they do it but it clearly is all very dissonant) and the vocalist's screams (and it's actually very demanding technically to scream like that if you don't want to fuck up your voice) creates an atmosphere of chaos and destruction which is just priceless...for me. To each his own.
Altairograph 1 year ago 35
@Altairograph for real long live old dillinger!!!!!
MrToby2488 1 year ago
@MrToby2488 Yeah! I hope they can go on doing what they do for a long time to come without burning themselves out.
Altairograph 1 year ago
@Altairograph I like that it sounds very chaotic, but in actuality its very thought out
Priestica606 10 months ago
@Altairograph
I hear technical mastery and a succinct style (this is why I listen to this group). The lyrics seem to represent a psychotic obsession over a girl. I'm not really seeing the whole chaos thing.
ybrik222 10 months ago
@Altairograph Maybe really compromised, since some of their songs make partial usage, when not complete usage, of serialism.
BUT... This is hatred at it's best expression through art. What I would define as the modern representation of expressionism.
Peace out.
EmptyKingdoms 1 month ago
@EmptyKingdoms Do you know any good sources to learn about serialism (assuming you're talking about atonality?)?
Thank you for this comment, I haven't listened to Dillinger in ages and listening again made me appreciate how amazing they are.
Altairograph 1 month ago
@Altairograph Sire, first of all, you have my respect for not being a troll against me. Second, good sources about serialism? Studying pieces of serial composers, reading Wikipedia articles (trust me, they have some useful lines every now and then), reading books about it, or even articles, like Pierre Boulez wrote some (even though he is really rude, imposing and close-minded, but still a good source).
PM me for anything.
Peace Out.
EmptyKingdoms 1 month ago
@discofishing Actually, they do have musicality, just because it's not 3 chord, Ramones-ey music, doesn't mean there's no music here. You just have to pay attention to it.
crassisdead 1 year ago
@crassisdead I don't listen to punk. That music is just too political. I don't care about someone's socialist/communist ideological leanings. I listen to Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Dream Theater, Rush, etc. I couldn't afford too many CDs when I was a kid, so I listened to a lot of the older stuff. I've honestly tried to pay attention and see why it's called math metal, being an applied math major myself. I just can't get into it. The closest I've gotten are progressive metal bands.
discofishing 1 year ago
@discofishing Punk isn't political in itself. Sure, there are lots of political punk bands, but political lyrics don't define a band as punk at all. Check out The Lawrence Arms' or Jawbreaker's lyrics, nothing political about them. I understand why you can't get into this. It's extremely difficult to listen to if you aren't familiar with it.
crassisdead 1 year ago
@crassisdead I don't know what else to say. I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music (minus rap), but I can't get into this stuff. I'm a technical guy, I like technical music. I know all my scales and modes on guitar and play with a metronome. I like the technical stuff, I just can't get into this music. I gave it a shot. I like Animals as Leaders, who toured with these guys, but I can't get into DEP, for the same reason I can't get into Between the Buried and Me. The stuff doesn't flow.
discofishing 1 year ago
@discofishing I totally get what you mean about BTBAM. I like Between the Buried and Me's first 4 albums but their latest album is just a pretentious pile of crap. They write long songs for the sake of writing long songs and they have a polka intro to one of their songs on it.
crassisdead 1 year ago
@crassisdead
I disagree, I think it's that they couldn't seperate the songs without compromising the integrity of them, that's why they are long, BTBAM isn't extremely well known so what good would it do them to write long songs just for the sake of it? And I have no clue about the polka intro you are talking about. Maybe you're thinking of the piano in swim to the moon? anyway I just think they couldn't bring themselves to shorten the songs, they liked playing them whole.
leachables 1 year ago
@leachables I may have overreacted when I said that. Believe it or not, I do like The Great Misdirect, but some of the stuff on there makes me cringe at how awkwardly it fits in with the song. And by "polka", I mean the intro to their song Fossil Genera.
crassisdead 1 year ago
@discofishing What you listen to on the radio isn't rap.
musiclover01ization 2 months ago
YournamelooksgoodDistortEDLIKETHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
makeithurtful 2 years ago
BTBAM aren't metal. There's some hardcore, some prog and a tiny (tiny) bit of death metal thrown in. They have some small metal elements, but that doesn't make them a metal band.
cyurisich 2 years ago
@cyurisich Camilla Rhodes is death metal...all the riffs are based on minor thirds and chromaic chugs. Only growls. Coulrophobia and anablaphobia are death metal / mathcore. Croakies n boatshoes is straight up death metal. Audiodidact is straight death metal. Thats just to name a few.
thebtbamfan 2 years ago
@cyurisich they are whatever the hell they wanna be.
zarquan99 1 year ago
Been listening to alot of this album.
I just can't stand the vocals, which sucks because the music is truly amazing. Intense, technical, just crazy. But those fucking vocals...
Ah well, Ill keep trying but I just dont like hardcore vocals.
tiki2188 2 years ago
this isn't metal, koobzor (neither is BTBAM, for that matter). Decent live band these guys, although it's been a while since I've listened to them.. I've completely gone off this techy -core sort of stuff.
cyurisich 2 years ago
@cyurisich Btbam is metal. I dont know what ur talking about lol.
thebtbamfan 2 years ago
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seriously, I love metal, BTBAM if my favourite band but... I don't get why people praise DEP so much, their music if fucking bullshit noise... people call this creative or inovative but I call that shit.
koobzor 2 years ago
When you get used to rapid time signature changes this type of music can be pretty relaxing, regardless chaotic music always comes down to either liking or not liking it there's rarely any middle ground. Personally I loved the chaotic sound since the first time I heard it
Clickthisprofile 2 years ago
@Clickthisprofile really u its relaxing to u?
StickManga 2 years ago
if all their songs were this coherent this album would be perfect.
TommyDole 2 years ago
This album is perfect.
sammpaull2722 2 years ago 2
This song is one of my favourite.
DEP = THE most genial band i've ever listened!
Weshtwo 2 years ago 2
I AGREE
JazzyMathUh 2 years ago
This is my favorite song, too! Tied with jim fear maybe.. I don't know. I love you guys.
sarneysog 2 years ago
my favorite DEP song by far! this song is the definition of intense, even the clean part sounds chaotic. old dillinger at their finest.
ryanwhyte92 2 years ago 3
Craziest live show I've ever seen!
VlasveldianOne 2 years ago
I stood in the crowd with my jaw dropped half of the time when they played over here. They have a machine like accuracy. It was really a shocking experience. But no doubt a great one!
Altairograph 2 years ago
fav song on the album
BabyFacedAssassin301 2 years ago
sundripped devil scratched out my eye!!!!!! <3
Moshpitscum 3 years ago 22
Yeah, this is the REAL DEP madness.
CocoaShunter 3 years ago 2
fckn sick!!great!!!
ramadearbol76 3 years ago 2