@selearemus Well, chance factors do create a randomness that keeps experiences unique. Though this can also be provided by other players in multiplayer games. I understand the frustration, though. I get really annoyed when chance factors are included into strategy games and the like, where it might happen that you did everything well but fail due to a bad roll of the dice. I can't stand that.
This was very interesting thanks. Seems the need to gather and more importantly analyse and understand the data is key to the success of any gamification system. The example of how players created a separate website with points system to overcome a games weakness shows the power of getting people excited and bringing out their passion. I guess this is what gaming is all about.
I'm addicted to playing Battlefield 2142. I don't really care about the "boxes", I just want to shoot people in the head online. Maybe I would have played warcraft but I only like to pay for a game once. That monthly payment crap is for real bills.
hmm now i have to ask myself some interesting questions - because in wow you can steal - "ninja" things - this might be something we might need further study in real life -
another thing or 2 that would suck in games would be if items were patented and couldnt be duplicated with out fees or if the poor players could steal from the other players who had all the power -"earned" or not
... had all the authority and to play you had to submit to thier rules - this is a lesson we can also see - wouldnt it suck if someone could print money and loan it at interest and that if the world was ruinable by ecological damage by the "elite"- these are powerful reasons why people like really complex games -is there is no scarcity and no ownership of the games wealth - these are real reasons why people find more reward in games than they do in real life - for our serious problem solution..
real dollars? lol - money is virtual as well - there is some understanding to be gained - but most of it is already understood - i also played wow for a few years and i often thought these data bases were worth studying - but the real problem of the world is we cant collaborate as fully as we can in games and thier are problems of differential advantage that cant be solved in the current paradigm - wouldnt it suck in games if some players owned and taxed your labor and owned all the weapons...
I think potentially mr.Chatfield's ideas are quite good, if not obvious. I say "obvious" because I think other people already came up with something like this eventually during time, I'm pretty sure of it, but what I think is the main flaw of his argument is circumstantial factors. Yes, players do a lot of effort to play, they even come up with their own economy and that's amazing (just look at World of Warcraft and Team Fortress 2's hat trading system), but [continued in next comment sorry]
@Arudap but one of the main stimulations he forgot to mention is the fact that they get to do all that stuff while sitting on a chair, thus making for example his example of "reward for weight loss" quite improbable, though not impossible depending on the person. Also, this system is quite pessimistic despite the tone he uses: basically he's saying that we won't move our asses until there's a practical, material reward. It might be just me, but it kinda saddens me because [continued]
@Arudap because I'd rather do some things for moral achievements. Also, he talks about how great these mechanics are in videogames, but in real life it works much differently: rewards? not punishing failure but rewarding success? the problem lies within two things here: limitation of resources (inexistent in videogames) and other problems that have to be solved first such as unwilling governments/industries/society/whatever to do such a thing, since it would imply a huge sacrifice of resources
Sounds like he forgot he was supposed to do a TED presentation and just threw it together at the last minute. "uh, uh, I'll just talk about WoW and make some shit up".
@leonidasx666 Exactly. This is why his philosphy will do more to cripple than to help. Unless he envisions the world becoming a place where consequence is eradicated.
Task managers are a great makeshift way of providing the "leveling up" aspect he talks about ,but one great one for iDevices is Epic Win. You create tasks, and when you complete them, you level up an avatar, multiple to choose from, as well as collect loot. It provides an RPG aspect to daily life! (Not sponsored, just a cool app!)
I really want to enjoy this talk. The information is really interesting, it takes forever for him to get to his point. Plus, the mic keeps picking up something like his mouth smacking during his pauses. It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
HEY!!! Something else cool about this kind of idea is showed in another vid on another site, just search for "The Skinner Box", it'll all be animated, but it goes into the psychology of this and brings up some cool ideas. Check it out. (Not sponsoring the people or the site, just a cool side note)
@jovaughbrown I sort of agree and disagree. I believe we, as a species are gregarious beings, at different degrees, of course. I'd like to call this 'diversity'. We rely on diversity to challenge different problems with different skills and perspectives. Most of those problems require collective effort, some don't. If video games are a means of honing skills not always meant for social environments, then that is a negative side alongside several other positives that you mention.
I think the ways video games engage the brain are come from the real world.Then he tries to put these methods back to the real world.I think it would not be so effective if he tries to use the digital ways to serve the real things.However he did say some good points.Feedback to what you have done should be quite useful when the company is providing services.
Yeah, let's make motivating people dependent on electricity...
(oh, by the way, read Naomi Klein's book, "The Shock Doctrine"...and you'll see that in the 50's up in Canada, the CIA had the same idea...they used electricity to "motivate" people too!)
Every single human gracing the face of the Earth today can (if they had the desire) trace back their OWN LINEAGE to a time when what "motivated" them was life itself...the desire to stay alive.
Video games are for people devoid of satisfaction and happiness from real world experiences. Video games are a great substitute, but will never be able to fully replace them except in the case of a virtual reality game/world.
Playing video games for entertainment (aka in moderation), is fine, stimulating, and satisfying. The second it becomes a daily habit or a necessity, it becomes detrimental.
charlotteycheng - He was explaining too much cause all the ppl there were oldies mom`s or father`s who`s son or daughter spends years in games instead of real life which sucks. (sorry for my perfect english)
He's talking about how we can make everyday life and education as engaging, rewarding, fun and addictive as the best videogames. Am I the only one who's really excited by that prospect?
yes video games are rewarding and full-filling and exciting but when you buy the wrong game its disappointing and a waste of money because to play something you don't like is torture or a waste of time.
This guy makes good points but spends far too much time explaining video game mechanics that most of us already understand. The last five minutes--applying these game mechanics to real world problems--should have been his main focus instead.
I can understand expansion packs, I can understand purchasing items to help you level up faster, better efficiency. But come on, costumes and stuff that doesn't do anything. Waste of money, go spend it on something real.
@neobattle2 like a 6 buck cup of coffee, whichi i enjoy for 30 minutes, or spend half that for a costume to look at for a game i log 30 hours a week on?
Let's invest in educational games which are first and foremost games, but you 'accidently' learn as you complete it.
e.g. a RPG set in a real continent with real geographical features which you would learn, or an adventure game where you use real chemical reactions to produce new products to solve the level.
I only know the Greek gods though playing Age of Mythology and my friend the history of technological development through Civilisation 2!
@1989Gez1989 funny story, most of my knowledge of the mediterranean sea, and the ports of it is becuase of a video game called horizons for the snes. I also played a game that required knowledge of alchemy, so when i took chemisty, I knew most of the component names already. It also plays in my basic knowledge of what color precieous stones are.
But seriously, thanks for watching. As people have rightly pointed out, MMOs in no way stand for all video games, and grinding in no way describe all of what goes on in MMOs.
What interests me is just how good an example it is of re-structuring long, hard, repetitive tasks to be highly engaging. There are undoubted parallels with gambling: this is about identifying powerful psychological tools then using them for new, positive outcomes.
@TomChatfield I know this sounds really strange and awkward but I find it when people talk with a dry mouth... it's very fixating. I have seriously watched this video like 5 times because of that lol
Good theory though. I think there has been a lot of articles on how to get people "hooked" on games. If you look at companies like Zynga, they pull every trick in the book to addict people. I do, however, feel that this may be slightly far fetched for real world applications.
Argh!!! Fetch quests are horrible...........This isn't the idea to take away from games, ESPECIALLY math equations to keep people addicted. Mario, shadow of the colossus, and mass effect aren't built around this.
You naysayers fail to see what people like Tom Chatfield are trying to say. Basically, games are highly efficient at stimulating reward circuitry and enhancing ambition within the game; far more efficient than the actual societal system we live in. If people were as engaged and enthusiastic about real life work as they were about virtual lives, then humanity would be a highly productive, quasi-hive-mind. What these people are trying to say is that we need to superimpose a gamelayer upon reality
We already have it...the "gamelayer upon reality"...I mean. It's called professional gambling (on sports, or the NASDAQ, or the DJIA, and even Academia). Tell me how inventing and trading "derivatives" in the financial market isn't EXACTLY what you are saying would lead to a "highly productive" society...and we can all see just how "productive" your "superimposed gamelayer" works in reality, can't we?!!
All life is a game. Gamer chose to translate "real world" wealth in virtual wealth. Why? The virtual for them holds more sway over the real world. By meshing the two you both side can stop complaining. Think about it a real world quests with some credit or money.
Kids are already becoming more illiterate and innumerate, they should be outside socialising with others and learning about something real. Physics, Chemistry, Biology and THEMSELVES not Media Studies.
With ipods and phones kids are physically present but cognitively and emotionally separated.
The human race is treating each other as a commodity rather than living beings all alike but different only in physical architecture and cultural upbringing.
Yes, people can be addicted to their phones and that creates negative social/mental effects. But don't lump creative mediums (given, when used well) with impure technology and consumerism. Frankenstein was a novel of fiction, i.e. not "real." Would you suggest all fictional books be banned or regulated?
You seem like you think creativity and imagination are not important, outside of basic arts and crafts. If that is so, shame on you.
His 7th point is completely invalid! "Other People" (which is the main issue with a virtual world)
What he insinuates is that in that 1999 game people spontaneously enlist the help of "other people" to kill the 2 big dragons. NO, they don't! They enlist the help of a bunch of other VIRTUAL people/small dragons to do the job (all while sitting in front of a screen, quite possibly alone and in literal darkness).
If every gamer on the face of the earth got off their virtual ass and spent that same amount of time and money on a REAL, LIVING personal or community garden, the world we be a much better place...
...but EA Sports wouldn't be raking in money hand over fist I suppose.
Perhaps this speaker would like to use virtual money (credits) to purchase a virtual glass of water after his speech to wet his dry mouth...
The REAL truth about "7 ways in which video games engage the brain" is this:
It doesn't matter.
The end-goal of ALL forms of media (including this one) is that the human brain is BEING ENGAGED.
Why? Because if I can occupy YOUR mind with the thoughts I want it occupied with, that doesn't leave much time or space for YOU to occupy it with the thoughts YOU want to occupy it with. And YOUR thoughts might not be favorable to me, especially if you find out what I do....
It's simple, who or what are you letting occupy your mind? This most powerful "machine" in the world sits right between your ears and and there are literally millions of people who hand the keys over to the media to do with their minds as the media pleases...including digital media, like video games.
Well, at least we know for certain who WON'T be leading the (r)evolution, don't we?!!
@csreeves The "real world" isn't much more real... It's a carefully constructed illusion crafted by PR corps. Games are a better lie to live.
Making the "real world" better, is more for the masochistic personalities content to never make a difference and who gain joy from ass beatings by the police.
I have no illusions as to the "real world". The real world is broken and can't be fixed as the "game" is rigged. Video games give a break from our slavery.
"The "real world" isn't much more real... It's a carefully constructed illusion crafted by PR corps."
Whoa! Says who?!? You and I have a VERY different definition of "the real world." The "real world" is a place where there is NO illusion. It's the visceral reality of the daily struggles of predator and prey and the interconnectedness of all things.
PR corps just try to profit from their INTERPRETATION of these REAL events...sensationalizing them (usually the more negative, the better.)
There is no such thing as "making the real world better". You say it's broken and can't be fixed. You haven't identified the world, you've identified YOURSELF.
"Games are a better lie to live"...
Wow! Here's a novel idea, stop living lies altogether...try the TRUTH for a change. (Hint: try studying Permaculture, there's truth)
@bentothetenthpower I'm just saying that he could have made his speech more concise, and by doing so, have had some spare time to elaborate on other topics... it just seemed really drawn out. Clearly you don't know what criticism is then... You don't have to necessarily be able to do better, to be able to critique.
Great ideas, but people voluntarily play video games. We don't voluntarily live, it would get old fast. You play a game for an hour or two, your in life all the time. Get it?
this works on most people, mostly kids, sooner or later they relise what reality is and they wont play it anymore cuz of that, Take me for example, the only reason I play wow is becuse of arena and its competition, the rewards? I know I get them anyway, thats no problem, I play becuse of the opponents, the experince of fighting someone better and beat them, thats the reward for me, to know I can do smth not everyone can do.
And what happens then when people actually have to do something really important but the reward may not be as big as they want it to be, will they feel enough enlightment to do it? even if it can decied their future? So pretty much, this whole idea is built on people wanting more, recreate it to fit into school and work, cuz apperently having a great job with a sick car, money, house, dog, 52inch widescreen, is not peeling enough to get kids to do their homework. What about wife? no, just no.
this is never going to work, its a brilliant idea but what happens to someone when they no longer can reach their goal, not everyone can reach gladiator or even Rank 1 in arena in WoW, how much they even try, they will never get to feel the satisfaction that they have a rank 1 titel, but more, that they beated thousands of other players and can actually feel like they had to use some brain and skill in order to reach there.
@Prathik1989 Not at all. In CoD (A shooting game) you can level up and unlock new weapons and attachments. In Racing games like Gran Turismo the better time you get the new cars and decals you unlock.....I can keep going but I think you get the idea.
@Lomelgande Yeah your right, tho it wasnt true for shooting games till COD4 included perks and stuff. But yeah, it does seem like theyre going that route to reward players for every little thing.
I'm a total vidiot and i still don't understand how people can pay REAL money for virtual objects. I can understand spending money on added content (New stories, more tracks, new terrain to wander in, etc.) due to the fact that it may add more playability to a game...I see it as money spent for entertainment ($10 for 20-30 more hours of entertainment is a good bargain). I CAN'T understand spending a crapload of cash just to have bragging rights (a special outfit, gun, ship, horse, etc...).
@nightmathzombieethan virtual items only gain value when they are taken in context. They pay for virtual real estate/goods which is akin to people buying a web server to host their web pages. Same idea, the virtual island is just bits of data, images, sounds, etc.. Is it any more crazy that people pay for web servers to host their websites? Sure if there were no other players it would be crazy, but there are millions of others.
@Jokenintendo That was kind of my point.... i'll pay for something if it adds to the experience (I.E.) more playtime or greater variety of choices (DLC)...but if I have to drop down $20 just to get 3 extra cars, or a new gun, or different clothing for a character it's just not worth it to me....I'm referring mostly to games like Fallout or Forza 3....Fallout 3 DLC= a crapload of more playtime for cheap=great deal, Forza 3= 8 more cars...for $20? No F*****N Way.
@nightmathzombieethan take a few hours looking up how many ,in your mind , ordinary things you pay for every day that have their price based on or totally exist of virtual things. 89 percent of the worlds assets are bragging rights
While I agree whole heartedly with you, and I understand your point, I'm one of those seemingly rare people who couldn't give a crap about impressing other people....I never have the latest of anything. So I gave up trying a long time ago. I really only care about whether something entertains me, has a useful function (I.E. Tools, etc...) or pleases me....Hell, I drive an 81 Honda, All my clothes are old & I don't even have a cell phone! How cool/impressive is that?
@nightmathzombieethan I think it's similar to those people already having a really nice house and buying more stuff to make it look nicer - not needed but it gives personal satisfaction to those people.
@Azden392 LOL True... I see that phenomenon every day here in Cali....
"Why'd you get a Hummer?" "Well my neighbor bought a Silverado...."
My only REAL concern with added content is the temptation to developers to "Undersell" a product, I.E. Sell the "Base" product, but then purposefully skimp on content with the intent of charging users a bunch more for what they should have gotten in the first place. Forza 3 is a perfect example of this IMHO.
@nightmathzombieethan, I absolutelly agree with you. How can people spend money buying a good car when a simple wagon would sufice? How can people buy a very expensive watch if a simple calculator can give you the time. How can someone pay to watch a movie if looking at nature would be more "productive". How can people buy tickets to look at other people hitting a ball with a stick as far as they can and run around a field... know what? I think people should spend money where they want to...
@nightmathzombieethan ??? how about looking at it as an enhancer to the entertaiment, paying for a better seat? I imagine these objects would allow them to play more crucial roles in the game
@conceitarturo lol not really. In Maplestory, for example, people pay real money just for items that make them look cooler. That's why maplestory is pretty retarded compared to WoW, which costs more money but gives a mind-blowing amount of real content for it. Some people are really stupid, but most only spend money when it's worth it :)
@nightmathzombieethan I personally don't do it, but I imagine its similar to why you buy a fancy expensive car when you'll never actually use the extra capability.
@nightmathzombieethan It has to do with two things. First, quality of entertainment. Some people like their avatars to look cool, and when it costs a buck, what does that matter compared to the 15 a month you already spend. So the cost is 16 for that month, no bigger. Coffee costs 6 bucks, that can be 6 cool things just for skipping a coffee.
The other is that don't have much time to play, so they don't like to grind, but like the challange of the mechanics. So 10 bucks can save you 40 hours
@nightmathzombieethan Yes you can, just imagine being the cock of the walk, everybody would see your bunny ears, red dragon wings and sparkling slippers and they would be like "wow look at that guy!"
@nightmathzombieethan Well most of the time you pay to not play the game e.g. you don't have to check in so often in a game like World of Warcraft you pay to not do farming. You could also compare how much working 1 hr overtime is in terms of hours worked in the game to gain the same amount of gold, it's fairly easy to see why it's compelling only to do the things that you find enjoyable. :)
Rewards and business huh? Sounds like they're planning to cash in during everyone's downtime via MMOs or something along those lines. So they're plann
I played this video and laid on my bed to relax.
TheInfinite91 4 weeks ago
cools and goods very powerhelpull
Spasatcom 2 months ago
hilarious all the people staring at him pondering like it's some revolutionary brilliant speech
CaliforniaVolante 2 months ago
@CaliforniaVolante I agree 100%...
FulgoreSama 1 week ago
i like this
pjojin0 3 months ago
I love your video grate
katynca1 3 months ago
Thanks for the great video
TheSanovita 3 months ago
Very creative video.
MyDavidsun 3 months ago
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juliacotic 3 months ago
i think is interesting what he say here but is talking way too slow.
andreeaweed 3 months ago
Wheatley's less psychotic brother
UnstableUranium 4 months ago
i can hear his tongue moving
TheGallows32 4 months ago 6
fuck chance. I want work and reward. No stupid chances to get awesome items.
selearemus 4 months ago
@selearemus Well, chance factors do create a randomness that keeps experiences unique. Though this can also be provided by other players in multiplayer games. I understand the frustration, though. I get really annoyed when chance factors are included into strategy games and the like, where it might happen that you did everything well but fail due to a bad roll of the dice. I can't stand that.
doom032 3 months ago
THAT WAS A TAUREN NOT AN ORC!
teengirlsquad52 5 months ago 2
Someone didn't love him enough when he was little... Hes against Video Games...
TheHimHam 5 months ago
What the fuck, his voice is disgusting.
nicha112 7 months ago
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XcptRainBoozeX 5 months ago
There is nothing wrong with video games
Video games have inspired me to illustrate fantastic scenaries.
We just need to exercise moderation
1-2 Hours a day is enough to do everything you'd ever want in a lifetime.
madogmgd 7 months ago 2
The information is great, but this person is talking way too slow.
BlizzardandBlaze 7 months ago
I love you <3
hydroponicfilms 8 months ago
Now that's a good talk on videogames.
His speech was better than David Perry's (who is a great game designer) and that other chick's (who wote a book) combined.
1Usernamehere1 8 months ago
I watched this video while fishing in WoW.
bnightm 8 months ago
this guys needs a fucking drink
Vasilli168 8 months ago 2
I love this guy's voice.
soulmman 8 months ago
4:08 that's pi I'd recognise it anywhere
crudip 9 months ago
Very good stuff- I work for a publishing company and this really speaks to how we need to transform learning.
contdare 9 months ago
This was very interesting thanks. Seems the need to gather and more importantly analyse and understand the data is key to the success of any gamification system. The example of how players created a separate website with points system to overcome a games weakness shows the power of getting people excited and bringing out their passion. I guess this is what gaming is all about.
markfocas 9 months ago
At 16:29 I felt better about myself :) I'm going to play Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.
andyrooney12 10 months ago
This was for me a very useful, extremely well presented talk. Thank you very much for providing it.
PalmyBruce 10 months ago
@deppressed1 Yes it does actually.
TheInfinite91 11 months ago
I'm addicted to playing Battlefield 2142. I don't really care about the "boxes", I just want to shoot people in the head online. Maybe I would have played warcraft but I only like to pay for a game once. That monthly payment crap is for real bills.
OneClownShoe 11 months ago
hmm now i have to ask myself some interesting questions - because in wow you can steal - "ninja" things - this might be something we might need further study in real life -
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
another thing or 2 that would suck in games would be if items were patented and couldnt be duplicated with out fees or if the poor players could steal from the other players who had all the power -"earned" or not
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
of real life and death issues - see zietgiest addendum and zietgiest moving forward
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
... had all the authority and to play you had to submit to thier rules - this is a lesson we can also see - wouldnt it suck if someone could print money and loan it at interest and that if the world was ruinable by ecological damage by the "elite"- these are powerful reasons why people like really complex games -is there is no scarcity and no ownership of the games wealth - these are real reasons why people find more reward in games than they do in real life - for our serious problem solution..
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
real dollars? lol - money is virtual as well - there is some understanding to be gained - but most of it is already understood - i also played wow for a few years and i often thought these data bases were worth studying - but the real problem of the world is we cant collaborate as fully as we can in games and thier are problems of differential advantage that cant be solved in the current paradigm - wouldnt it suck in games if some players owned and taxed your labor and owned all the weapons...
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
I think potentially mr.Chatfield's ideas are quite good, if not obvious. I say "obvious" because I think other people already came up with something like this eventually during time, I'm pretty sure of it, but what I think is the main flaw of his argument is circumstantial factors. Yes, players do a lot of effort to play, they even come up with their own economy and that's amazing (just look at World of Warcraft and Team Fortress 2's hat trading system), but [continued in next comment sorry]
Arudap 1 year ago
@Arudap but one of the main stimulations he forgot to mention is the fact that they get to do all that stuff while sitting on a chair, thus making for example his example of "reward for weight loss" quite improbable, though not impossible depending on the person. Also, this system is quite pessimistic despite the tone he uses: basically he's saying that we won't move our asses until there's a practical, material reward. It might be just me, but it kinda saddens me because [continued]
Arudap 1 year ago
@Arudap because I'd rather do some things for moral achievements. Also, he talks about how great these mechanics are in videogames, but in real life it works much differently: rewards? not punishing failure but rewarding success? the problem lies within two things here: limitation of resources (inexistent in videogames) and other problems that have to be solved first such as unwilling governments/industries/society/whatever to do such a thing, since it would imply a huge sacrifice of resources
Arudap 1 year ago
3:20 Did he say orc? Looks like a tauren
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SonOfTerra92 1 year ago
what server are you on??
disxassociative 1 year ago 22
he needs some water
undialer 1 year ago
Sounds like he forgot he was supposed to do a TED presentation and just threw it together at the last minute. "uh, uh, I'll just talk about WoW and make some shit up".
robotpanda77 1 year ago
8:07 what the... Why does that primate skull have a RIDGE on it's head?
What specific species was that?!
roidroid 1 year ago
I play EVE Online. And he ain't lieing. That ship takes alot of fucking work to build.
Unfortunatly that work is lessened these days, because scripted bots do all the work for the player so they don't have to.
MinmatarThrasher 1 year ago
GAAAA THE SOUND OF HIS FUCKING SALIVA !!!!!!!!!!
im sorry its interesting but i just can't go on listening to his moist mouth clicking....
OptimusPhail 1 year ago 3
Videogames always reward you, even if you screw up.
Real life isn't that forgiving :(
leonidasx666 1 year ago
@leonidasx666 Exactly. This is why his philosphy will do more to cripple than to help. Unless he envisions the world becoming a place where consequence is eradicated.
iwapelebrown 1 year ago
Love the little dig at Minecraft he has in there.
molewizard 1 year ago
is anyone else caught off guard every time he licks his lips like in 12:54
Vault121 1 year ago
Task managers are a great makeshift way of providing the "leveling up" aspect he talks about ,but one great one for iDevices is Epic Win. You create tasks, and when you complete them, you level up an avatar, multiple to choose from, as well as collect loot. It provides an RPG aspect to daily life! (Not sponsored, just a cool app!)
steamyrobotlove 1 year ago
start at 8:00 to skip a lot of WoW generalization.
famecommeth 1 year ago
I really want to enjoy this talk. The information is really interesting, it takes forever for him to get to his point. Plus, the mic keeps picking up something like his mouth smacking during his pauses. It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
blairgoldberg 1 year ago
HEY!!! Something else cool about this kind of idea is showed in another vid on another site, just search for "The Skinner Box", it'll all be animated, but it goes into the psychology of this and brings up some cool ideas. Check it out. (Not sponsoring the people or the site, just a cool side note)
meposer999 1 year ago
His. Voice. Is. So. FUCKING....RELAXING lol!
TheInfinite91 1 year ago 82
@TheInfinite91 I've watched this video about 20 times for just that reason! check out "Under the Ruler Faster that the ruler" by coolaun
StrangerEight 1 year ago
@TheInfinite91
Definately. I listen to this video as background noise lol.
Silhouette93 1 year ago
@TheInfinite91 And hawt... <3 _<3
themisisalive 1 year ago
@TheInfinite91 ....yes it is. I actually came back here just to listen to it lol.
stevz0r 10 months ago
@TheInfinite91
cursing again! retard
obuseng87 5 months ago
looks like you need some better slides, negro!
SaviourX 1 year ago
i'm really into this but having to listen to his mouth sounds are like torture.
RadiatorBoy 1 year ago
I think of it as a tool and its use should be very 'balanced'. Getting everyone to adopt or accept it is neither possible nor reasonable.
gumbolabi 1 year ago
@jovaughbrown I sort of agree and disagree. I believe we, as a species are gregarious beings, at different degrees, of course. I'd like to call this 'diversity'. We rely on diversity to challenge different problems with different skills and perspectives. Most of those problems require collective effort, some don't. If video games are a means of honing skills not always meant for social environments, then that is a negative side alongside several other positives that you mention.
gumbolabi 1 year ago
Someone plays too much WoW HAHAH!!
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Just kidding. This was great. Great lecture, great lecturer and interesting topic.
BrokenBjartur 1 year ago
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iamro00 1 year ago
I think the ways video games engage the brain are come from the real world.Then he tries to put these methods back to the real world.I think it would not be so effective if he tries to use the digital ways to serve the real things.However he did say some good points.Feedback to what you have done should be quite useful when the company is providing services.
iamro00 1 year ago
Yeah, let's make motivating people dependent on electricity...
(oh, by the way, read Naomi Klein's book, "The Shock Doctrine"...and you'll see that in the 50's up in Canada, the CIA had the same idea...they used electricity to "motivate" people too!)
Every single human gracing the face of the Earth today can (if they had the desire) trace back their OWN LINEAGE to a time when what "motivated" them was life itself...the desire to stay alive.
Apparently, real life bores "gamers."
csreeves 1 year ago
@csreeves (cont.)
Perhaps if there were video games available at Auschwitz, the Jewish folks who survived it would be more "motivated."
Do you see how insanely STUPID it is to think we humans need virtual motivation, as if real life isn't "enough"?!!
csreeves 1 year ago
This argument has tremendous flaws in it.
n8skate24 1 year ago
Aplying this to education would be an AWESOME way to boost learning.
Ovidius89 1 year ago
Video games are for people devoid of satisfaction and happiness from real world experiences. Video games are a great substitute, but will never be able to fully replace them except in the case of a virtual reality game/world.
Playing video games for entertainment (aka in moderation), is fine, stimulating, and satisfying. The second it becomes a daily habit or a necessity, it becomes detrimental.
just my opinion...
andresico2 1 year ago
@andresico2 You mean like books, TV, plays and movies?
kitsunde 1 year ago
I think his talk was interesting, but there is something about his manner of speaking which annoys me a little bit.
BigO8872 1 year ago
@BigO8872 yeah he makes what he's saying sound boring
Smataba 1 year ago
charlotteycheng - He was explaining too much cause all the ppl there were oldies mom`s or father`s who`s son or daughter spends years in games instead of real life which sucks. (sorry for my perfect english)
veronnity 1 year ago
Cool. Well, all of this is based on "Skinners Box" anyway.
Hampus91 1 year ago
He's talking about how we can make everyday life and education as engaging, rewarding, fun and addictive as the best videogames. Am I the only one who's really excited by that prospect?
mooxim 1 year ago
@mooxim You are not alone. I really like the concept. It makes a lot of sense. I've heard there have been good results already! :)
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
yes video games are rewarding and full-filling and exciting but when you buy the wrong game its disappointing and a waste of money because to play something you don't like is torture or a waste of time.
Tethloach1 1 year ago
This guy makes good points but spends far too much time explaining video game mechanics that most of us already understand. The last five minutes--applying these game mechanics to real world problems--should have been his main focus instead.
charlotteycheng 1 year ago
@charlotteycheng There is a much better TED talk about game mechanics in the future:
"Jesse Schell: When games invade real life"
moremost 1 year ago
I prefer the talk, 10,600 ways videogames don't engage the brain.
MusicStudyMan 1 year ago
Apparently MMOs are the future!
We're all screwed...
billy65bob 1 year ago
I can understand expansion packs, I can understand purchasing items to help you level up faster, better efficiency. But come on, costumes and stuff that doesn't do anything. Waste of money, go spend it on something real.
neobattle2 1 year ago
@neobattle2 like a 6 buck cup of coffee, whichi i enjoy for 30 minutes, or spend half that for a costume to look at for a game i log 30 hours a week on?
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
72 people haven't played video games.
Let's invest in educational games which are first and foremost games, but you 'accidently' learn as you complete it.
e.g. a RPG set in a real continent with real geographical features which you would learn, or an adventure game where you use real chemical reactions to produce new products to solve the level.
I only know the Greek gods though playing Age of Mythology and my friend the history of technological development through Civilisation 2!
1989Gez1989 1 year ago
@1989Gez1989 funny story, most of my knowledge of the mediterranean sea, and the ports of it is becuase of a video game called horizons for the snes. I also played a game that required knowledge of alchemy, so when i took chemisty, I knew most of the component names already. It also plays in my basic knowledge of what color precieous stones are.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
brilliant. I can use this information to motivate my subordinates at the job in many new ways...
vas1275 1 year ago
3 hurrays for the most boring ted talk in the history of mankind.
gabydewilde 1 year ago
very exciting stuff
bekironur 1 year ago
Guild Wars 2 destroys his argument.
Arenanet says "get off the racetrack and start enjoying your game/your life."
TimothyParadox1 1 year ago
So his idea is to copy World of Warcrafts "Achievements" tab and apply it to life. Bravo :-(
ToshiroDK 1 year ago
I just run out of air listening to him o.o
he makes quite a few points, but he needs to learn to speak. without. taking. a short. breath. inbetween. a few. words.
-faved-
Filecreator 1 year ago
Gosh, you guys are so harsh about a dry mouth....
But seriously, thanks for watching. As people have rightly pointed out, MMOs in no way stand for all video games, and grinding in no way describe all of what goes on in MMOs.
What interests me is just how good an example it is of re-structuring long, hard, repetitive tasks to be highly engaging. There are undoubted parallels with gambling: this is about identifying powerful psychological tools then using them for new, positive outcomes.
TomChatfield 1 year ago 26
@TomChatfield I know this sounds really strange and awkward but I find it when people talk with a dry mouth... it's very fixating. I have seriously watched this video like 5 times because of that lol
Good theory though. I think there has been a lot of articles on how to get people "hooked" on games. If you look at companies like Zynga, they pull every trick in the book to addict people. I do, however, feel that this may be slightly far fetched for real world applications.
stevz0r 1 year ago
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TomChatfield 1 year ago
Argh!!! Fetch quests are horrible...........This isn't the idea to take away from games, ESPECIALLY math equations to keep people addicted. Mario, shadow of the colossus, and mass effect aren't built around this.
charmander4533 1 year ago
"motivational mechanics," is that what he called this? Its just freaking gambling, its addictive like playing slots.
200131240 1 year ago
a little over half way through... someone needed to hand him a glass of water.
caseyforever 1 year ago
You naysayers fail to see what people like Tom Chatfield are trying to say. Basically, games are highly efficient at stimulating reward circuitry and enhancing ambition within the game; far more efficient than the actual societal system we live in. If people were as engaged and enthusiastic about real life work as they were about virtual lives, then humanity would be a highly productive, quasi-hive-mind. What these people are trying to say is that we need to superimpose a gamelayer upon reality
jovaughbrown 1 year ago 77
@jovaughbrown
We already have it...the "gamelayer upon reality"...I mean. It's called professional gambling (on sports, or the NASDAQ, or the DJIA, and even Academia). Tell me how inventing and trading "derivatives" in the financial market isn't EXACTLY what you are saying would lead to a "highly productive" society...and we can all see just how "productive" your "superimposed gamelayer" works in reality, can't we?!!
Can you say global financial crisis?!?
Thanks for "playing"
csreeves 1 year ago
@jovaughbrown wow... awsome comment dude, i couldnt agree more.
gr4ndhustle 1 year ago
Well look at that; sophisticated player behavior... It's almost as though the players themselves have brains.
sileb13 1 year ago
All life is a game. Gamer chose to translate "real world" wealth in virtual wealth. Why? The virtual for them holds more sway over the real world. By meshing the two you both side can stop complaining. Think about it a real world quests with some credit or money.
NewHamilton 1 year ago
CAN WE GET BACK TO THE REAL WORLD PLEASE!
Kids are already becoming more illiterate and innumerate, they should be outside socialising with others and learning about something real. Physics, Chemistry, Biology and THEMSELVES not Media Studies.
With ipods and phones kids are physically present but cognitively and emotionally separated.
The human race is treating each other as a commodity rather than living beings all alike but different only in physical architecture and cultural upbringing.
smudge6699 1 year ago
@smudge6699
Yes, people can be addicted to their phones and that creates negative social/mental effects. But don't lump creative mediums (given, when used well) with impure technology and consumerism. Frankenstein was a novel of fiction, i.e. not "real." Would you suggest all fictional books be banned or regulated?
You seem like you think creativity and imagination are not important, outside of basic arts and crafts. If that is so, shame on you.
conclusius 1 year ago
@conclusius
Your last paragraph is a surreal assumption about me, there is also nothing wrong with fiction as long as we remember it is that, a story.
Creativity and imagination are all, but the end result of this is end users who aren't using their own individual creative intellect.
They're playing a game!
Nothing wrong with fun and trivia but that's all it is, like fiction.
This smacks of conditioning for the sake of creating addiction.
smudge6699 1 year ago
@smudge6699 you are boring.
joker1k 1 year ago
He sounds like that guy from "there's something about mary". The geeky dude that pretends to be disabled.
klptzxm 1 year ago
His 7th point is completely invalid! "Other People" (which is the main issue with a virtual world)
What he insinuates is that in that 1999 game people spontaneously enlist the help of "other people" to kill the 2 big dragons. NO, they don't! They enlist the help of a bunch of other VIRTUAL people/small dragons to do the job (all while sitting in front of a screen, quite possibly alone and in literal darkness).
csreeves 1 year ago
@csreeves (cont.)
If every gamer on the face of the earth got off their virtual ass and spent that same amount of time and money on a REAL, LIVING personal or community garden, the world we be a much better place...
...but EA Sports wouldn't be raking in money hand over fist I suppose.
Perhaps this speaker would like to use virtual money (credits) to purchase a virtual glass of water after his speech to wet his dry mouth...
...do you think his thirst would be satisfied?
csreeves 1 year ago
@csreeves (2nd cont.)
The REAL truth about "7 ways in which video games engage the brain" is this:
It doesn't matter.
The end-goal of ALL forms of media (including this one) is that the human brain is BEING ENGAGED.
Why? Because if I can occupy YOUR mind with the thoughts I want it occupied with, that doesn't leave much time or space for YOU to occupy it with the thoughts YOU want to occupy it with. And YOUR thoughts might not be favorable to me, especially if you find out what I do....
csreeves 1 year ago
@csreeves (3rd cont.)
...with your mind while I'm occupying it.
It's simple, who or what are you letting occupy your mind? This most powerful "machine" in the world sits right between your ears and and there are literally millions of people who hand the keys over to the media to do with their minds as the media pleases...including digital media, like video games.
Well, at least we know for certain who WON'T be leading the (r)evolution, don't we?!!
csreeves 1 year ago
@csreeves The "real world" isn't much more real... It's a carefully constructed illusion crafted by PR corps. Games are a better lie to live.
Making the "real world" better, is more for the masochistic personalities content to never make a difference and who gain joy from ass beatings by the police.
I have no illusions as to the "real world". The real world is broken and can't be fixed as the "game" is rigged. Video games give a break from our slavery.
abram730 1 year ago
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@abram730
"The "real world" isn't much more real... It's a carefully constructed illusion crafted by PR corps."
Whoa! Says who?!? You and I have a VERY different definition of "the real world." The "real world" is a place where there is NO illusion. It's the visceral reality of the daily struggles of predator and prey and the interconnectedness of all things.
csreeves 1 year ago
@csreeves (cont.)
PR corps just try to profit from their INTERPRETATION of these REAL events...sensationalizing them (usually the more negative, the better.)
There is no such thing as "making the real world better". You say it's broken and can't be fixed. You haven't identified the world, you've identified YOURSELF.
"Games are a better lie to live"...
Wow! Here's a novel idea, stop living lies altogether...try the TRUTH for a change. (Hint: try studying Permaculture, there's truth)
csreeves 1 year ago
nothing new on this, boring
i5aac 1 year ago
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i5aac 1 year ago
BOOOOOO! BORING!!!! GO GET LAID!
nsgmusic 1 year ago
I was getting bored. Until he mentioned pies. Thumbs up if you like pie.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
That's my duck! (wink) [FV shoutout!]
Arystarxys 1 year ago
He's boring
e3eser 1 year ago
he could have said all this in half the time... =/
Crazee108 1 year ago 31
@Crazee108 Yeah but he's talking to people that probably only play crossword puzzles.
PrinceofNestaria 1 year ago
@Crazee108 and without making obnoxious saliva sounds
Admiralandrian 1 year ago
@Crazee108
And the audience, who is likely not very familiar with video games, could have ignored him; due to lack of explanation.
Also, criticize others when you can do better, not just when you feel annoyed.
bentothetenthpower 1 year ago
@bentothetenthpower I'm just saying that he could have made his speech more concise, and by doing so, have had some spare time to elaborate on other topics... it just seemed really drawn out. Clearly you don't know what criticism is then... You don't have to necessarily be able to do better, to be able to critique.
Crazee108 1 year ago
@Crazee108 If he talked in a lazy manner yes, but people like him and I, prefer to go the extra mile vocally.
isaDARKNESS 1 year ago
that is a tauren...
luketc500 1 year ago
@luketc500 awesome talk though!
luketc500 1 year ago
tl;dw
TheMatrixAussie 1 year ago
mind == blown
ponyboyh 1 year ago
Great ideas, but people voluntarily play video games. We don't voluntarily live, it would get old fast. You play a game for an hour or two, your in life all the time. Get it?
bcasts 1 year ago
this works on most people, mostly kids, sooner or later they relise what reality is and they wont play it anymore cuz of that, Take me for example, the only reason I play wow is becuse of arena and its competition, the rewards? I know I get them anyway, thats no problem, I play becuse of the opponents, the experince of fighting someone better and beat them, thats the reward for me, to know I can do smth not everyone can do.
odikqah 1 year ago
And what happens then when people actually have to do something really important but the reward may not be as big as they want it to be, will they feel enough enlightment to do it? even if it can decied their future? So pretty much, this whole idea is built on people wanting more, recreate it to fit into school and work, cuz apperently having a great job with a sick car, money, house, dog, 52inch widescreen, is not peeling enough to get kids to do their homework. What about wife? no, just no.
odikqah 1 year ago
this is never going to work, its a brilliant idea but what happens to someone when they no longer can reach their goal, not everyone can reach gladiator or even Rank 1 in arena in WoW, how much they even try, they will never get to feel the satisfaction that they have a rank 1 titel, but more, that they beated thousands of other players and can actually feel like they had to use some brain and skill in order to reach there.
odikqah 1 year ago
@Tpar1234
lol look at tpar
BlockisticStudios 1 year ago
Wow, that was boring...
DJMKN93 1 year ago
I think this has more to do with MMORPGs and RPGs rather than Video games in general.
How does this compare to Racing games? Shooting Games? Simulation Games? etc etc.
Prathik1989 1 year ago
@Prathik1989 Not at all. In CoD (A shooting game) you can level up and unlock new weapons and attachments. In Racing games like Gran Turismo the better time you get the new cars and decals you unlock.....I can keep going but I think you get the idea.
Lomelgande 1 year ago
@Lomelgande Yeah your right, tho it wasnt true for shooting games till COD4 included perks and stuff. But yeah, it does seem like theyre going that route to reward players for every little thing.
Prathik1989 1 year ago
@Tpar1234 wtf?
Prathik1989 1 year ago
I'm a total vidiot and i still don't understand how people can pay REAL money for virtual objects. I can understand spending money on added content (New stories, more tracks, new terrain to wander in, etc.) due to the fact that it may add more playability to a game...I see it as money spent for entertainment ($10 for 20-30 more hours of entertainment is a good bargain). I CAN'T understand spending a crapload of cash just to have bragging rights (a special outfit, gun, ship, horse, etc...).
nightmathzombieethan 1 year ago 20
@nightmathzombieethan Methinks you understand it very well.Not liking that players feed these money hungry bastards is another thing.
goe1250 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan virtual items only gain value when they are taken in context. They pay for virtual real estate/goods which is akin to people buying a web server to host their web pages. Same idea, the virtual island is just bits of data, images, sounds, etc.. Is it any more crazy that people pay for web servers to host their websites? Sure if there were no other players it would be crazy, but there are millions of others.
ddnguyen278 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan When desire outweighs rationality, a lot of things can happen.
TheShnag 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan Then you don't see how people can spend money for video games.
Besides that,if it lets me enjoy the game better (And support the developers) , I could care less.
Jokenintendo 1 year ago
@Jokenintendo That was kind of my point.... i'll pay for something if it adds to the experience (I.E.) more playtime or greater variety of choices (DLC)...but if I have to drop down $20 just to get 3 extra cars, or a new gun, or different clothing for a character it's just not worth it to me....I'm referring mostly to games like Fallout or Forza 3....Fallout 3 DLC= a crapload of more playtime for cheap=great deal, Forza 3= 8 more cars...for $20? No F*****N Way.
nightmathzombieethan 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan take a few hours looking up how many ,in your mind , ordinary things you pay for every day that have their price based on or totally exist of virtual things. 89 percent of the worlds assets are bragging rights
OfAllTradesJack 1 year ago
@OfAllTradesJack
While I agree whole heartedly with you, and I understand your point, I'm one of those seemingly rare people who couldn't give a crap about impressing other people....I never have the latest of anything. So I gave up trying a long time ago. I really only care about whether something entertains me, has a useful function (I.E. Tools, etc...) or pleases me....Hell, I drive an 81 Honda, All my clothes are old & I don't even have a cell phone! How cool/impressive is that?
nightmathzombieethan 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan I think it's similar to those people already having a really nice house and buying more stuff to make it look nicer - not needed but it gives personal satisfaction to those people.
Azden392 1 year ago
@Azden392 LOL True... I see that phenomenon every day here in Cali....
"Why'd you get a Hummer?" "Well my neighbor bought a Silverado...."
My only REAL concern with added content is the temptation to developers to "Undersell" a product, I.E. Sell the "Base" product, but then purposefully skimp on content with the intent of charging users a bunch more for what they should have gotten in the first place. Forza 3 is a perfect example of this IMHO.
nightmathzombieethan 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan, I absolutelly agree with you. How can people spend money buying a good car when a simple wagon would sufice? How can people buy a very expensive watch if a simple calculator can give you the time. How can someone pay to watch a movie if looking at nature would be more "productive". How can people buy tickets to look at other people hitting a ball with a stick as far as they can and run around a field... know what? I think people should spend money where they want to...
Paucoo 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan ??? how about looking at it as an enhancer to the entertaiment, paying for a better seat? I imagine these objects would allow them to play more crucial roles in the game
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo lol not really. In Maplestory, for example, people pay real money just for items that make them look cooler. That's why maplestory is pretty retarded compared to WoW, which costs more money but gives a mind-blowing amount of real content for it. Some people are really stupid, but most only spend money when it's worth it :)
TheJoshea72 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan I personally don't do it, but I imagine its similar to why you buy a fancy expensive car when you'll never actually use the extra capability.
xMorpse 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan It has to do with two things. First, quality of entertainment. Some people like their avatars to look cool, and when it costs a buck, what does that matter compared to the 15 a month you already spend. So the cost is 16 for that month, no bigger. Coffee costs 6 bucks, that can be 6 cool things just for skipping a coffee.
The other is that don't have much time to play, so they don't like to grind, but like the challange of the mechanics. So 10 bucks can save you 40 hours
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan Yes you can, just imagine being the cock of the walk, everybody would see your bunny ears, red dragon wings and sparkling slippers and they would be like "wow look at that guy!"
Khyrid 1 year ago
@Khyrid They do that already! Although when they see my costume it's more like "Who the F***is that guy?!", Then I usually get arrested.....
nightmathzombieethan 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan hmmm usually you pay with virtual money( using paypal, credit cards) so is virtual for virtual :p
PisicutaSiMatei 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan If I was playing Zelda and had to pay real money for Epona...I would.
manandahalfx2 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan Drugz
Admiralandrian 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan The exact same way one would buy jewellery - as one example of many.
razryan 1 year ago
@nightmathzombieethan Well most of the time you pay to not play the game e.g. you don't have to check in so often in a game like World of Warcraft you pay to not do farming. You could also compare how much working 1 hr overtime is in terms of hours worked in the game to gain the same amount of gold, it's fairly easy to see why it's compelling only to do the things that you find enjoyable. :)
kitsunde 1 year ago
very interesting.
geometrololi 1 year ago
Rewards and business huh? Sounds like they're planning to cash in during everyone's downtime via MMOs or something along those lines. So they're plann