#126 - PWM Etched PC board assembly

[H2OStanch]

I am looking for a pwm that does work based on three different sequences, have you got anz on sale? let me know. Thanks.

[baltazar0007]

Hi Zero, great work you do. Question about the Mosfet. The IRFP064N is very hard to get here where i am to a reasoable price. would anypower mosfet work. i know i wont get the same output if i do.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You can substitute but the key parameters to look for are

RDS on <0.01 ohm. (IRFP064N is 0.008 ohm)

Current large enough tn meet your need.

Vds at least twice your operating voltage.

Comments yours really irritate me. The preferred vendor for my parts, Mouser Electronics, ships anywhere in the world. No one has any excuse to say I can't find it at a good price where I live. BS! I even go as far as to provide direct links to the product order pages from my parts list.

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM???

[baltazar0007]

It was not to waste your time i know your are busy....

the reason for my question is the price of shipping.... i only needed that part so paying 60 dollar in shipping was to much. thats why i wanted to replace it.

Hope you liked the reason. :)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

$60??? Where do you live? Mars? :-)

[baltazar0007]

Nope denmark :), anyway... since you are the cahmp at this subject. maybe you should look at modifying the pwm so it reverse the power at a certain interval.... i have noticed when changing the power direction the HHO production goes up for a while... just a thought you might could use... i am working a bit on it m yself and i will let you know if i get some interresting results myself.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Tried it, very early on, several configurations and switching rates. I won't be revisiting that experiment.

[richarddobyns]

pLEASE TELL ME WHERE S- AND S+

GO OFF BOARD

[mdgilles]

Hi Z, you are the man. That is all I can say!

Are you selling complete units that I can install on my car?

[thanson1945]

Hi Z,

I have a request to help out a fan. I am having a bit of trouble determining where to solder the connections from the MOSFET driver. Can you make an update to your drawing and show the MOSFET? R12 and the diode are critical and I'm sure the diode faces a certain direction. My soldering is usually done after working 10 hours and the old brain is getting slow. Thanks for all the great videos and ideas.

[HHydrOpedia]

Hello Mr. ZeroFossilFuel. I am about to build a sample of your PWM-v2 and I am going to put a 555 frequency circuit between your PWM-circuit and the MOSFET. My idea is to try the Stanley Meyer way with something about 750Hz - 48kHz in to the MOSFET. What do you think about it and how come you stick to the brute force method? You are great, one of the best!

[flipster12000]

I completed the PWM and it works wonderfully as advertised. I used a plastic box from radio shack instead of the velleman box, but used a very substantial heat sink and a computer power supply fan. Thank you Z for sharing your knowlege so freely with the rest of the world. You rock.

[Jimigunne]

Hello all, I am building this PWM and am going to try using this with a Smacks booster on my Volvo 740. Its being assembled on prototype breadboad and then on perfboard. I don't now have a scope, but have a FLuke DMM and Freq. meter. Can someone plse tell me, with the specified pot values, what is the freq. range and pulse-width range of LM324 oscillator?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

As shown about 1-10 KHz.

[flipster12000]

When r u making a new video? hurry up lol. I can't wait to see what's next.

[NDTimberwolf]

Hey, itissoeas...you're a clueless moron. ANY question I've asked of "Z" (pertinent, HONEST questions) have been answered within HOURS.

So, do us all a favor...sit down, have a coke and a smile and STHU.

Z, you rock.

[offgrid2010]

It's incredible how some people's envy of a person with a superior personality and intelligence turns into bitter scorn and an attempt to make ones self bigger is acted out through grandstanding. The negativity of some people in this world just totally blows me away.

[screwball3z]

The current drawings on alt-nrg, are they still accurate (as compared to the etched version)?

[itissoeas]

I am glad you are off the air. Your a scam artist and your video #128 was a pathetic plea to change that. All you have done is diddle and ask for donations. I told you the PWM was worthless and you never responded. 4 days later you are gone. It is people like you that diminish other intentions of prospective inventors from launching into the next leval. If I was in prison, you are the type of guy that offers me protection from preditors that you are working with.

Good By Zero...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Well, I'm pleased to inform you that I am not 'Off the air', that I have not ceased creating, and I certainly will not be discouraged by the skeptics.

HAVE A NICE DAY!!!

[itissoeas]

Ok, maybe I was too harsh. Lets see you make a torch on 3.3 volts. My vid will be up in a few hours.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Anyone can make a torch on 3.3V if they use alternating plates instead of a series plate design.

[TheKasari]

Hi Zero,

Can you steer me in the right direction on how to make a torch on 3.3V?

Thanks

Newbie

[vulpine61]

itissoeas,

The verb scam has one meaning: deprive of by deceit.

Ive been following Zero since the beginning;

I sent him $20.00 on Christmas day knowing exactly

it was a donation for the cause nuf said.

If a man wants to sell you something, you have two options right?

Now I went and looked at your video. Be careful!

That thing looks dangerous to me, back flash is real and

plastic shrapnel could cause serious injury.

[brassard95]

it amazes me how a critic can call "Z" a scam artist for selling the product that he has designed, when instead of buying one all you have to is go to his web site and get the complete directions and complete materials list, on how to build one. then if you are still having problems watch the videos on how to put it together. i dont see him twisting your arm to buy one! besides i havent seen any monumental work that you have posted "1 video" what is it called? oh ya "arm chair quarterback"

[wiwizpot]

and we hav an option to buy or not. we can do it on our own, the schematics are there. zero give us the option. zero has proven his works!! how about yours??

[offgrid2010]

But then again, itisxxx got to me, and instead of talking about this awesome production I talk about itisxx. Well, maybe that's his point. Get some attention. It probably didn't work when he was two years old and I'm sorry for him.

Good work Zero. You bring me many moments of grand appreciation. I loved the one on the Chevy Volt too!! Oh by the way, where is #128? I haven't seen it yet. Maybe that explains it. itisxxx saw something that wasn't even there!

[F3hydro]

"Z" Awsome work Thanks!

What starting mixture of KOH per Gallon would you suggest using the your vspb cell?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I start with about 10 grams per liter and work up very slowly from there.

[parton111]

Would it be possible to incorporate gating in this design, like the Lawton PWM? How about adding freq range selections for fine tuning?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yes and yes. Feel free.

[mrdrey123]

Z, just a quick question. Why do you need TO-247 insulator. Can it be without? Im I missing something?

Thanks

[ZeroFossilFuel]

The back is metal, connected to the center lead, the drain. Without an insulator you short the drain to chassis ground. Very basic stuff.

[skyedancr]

thanks for sharing, shared.

[troysz]

Zero, I notice that your efie does not allow for a separate city and hwy settings. Is it because the ecm/ecu goes into semi closed loop mode on the hwy, ignoring the o2 sensor's voltage signal? For this reason I have never understood the need for a different hwy setting. Keep up the great work.

[mkidesigns]

What happened to the PSA video about PWM Power?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Ceasefire treaty. ;-)

[wiwizpot]

sorry for this question zero, my knowledge in electronics is less than basic,what will happen if I replace all the resistors by 0.5watts? thanks..

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Then you need a bigger board.

[lustatus]

hey Z would that be necessary to add a ht sink withng the 10v voltage reglt ?..bcause it seem prducng quit some heat when i touch it with my finger.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Mine gets a little warm too. Should be okay.

[agrajag44]

Like I said before, there's three types of people into this HHO hoax: conspiracy nutballs, the scientific illiterate and the fraudsters trying to take suckers' money.

$225 for a cheap PWM that can be made with common parts is a total fraud. Have you no decency?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Thank you for strengthening our resolve to prove you wrong!

[screwball3z]

you're completely correct, every fraudster i've seen gives away their schematics, no strings attached. Zero is a good person in this community, don't bash him.

[hydrtec]

Conspiracy nutballs? Maybe - but not here. I have built the ZFF PWM, added to it and within limits (as with everything in life) it works as advertised. I have built a 6x10 inch 24 plate EBN type cell and I am pleased how well it works, but more importantly, the performance of both items has been VERIFYED and CONFIRMED to my own satisfaction at my own expense, time and effort. This is a very basic exercise for which your remarks (as a scientific literate no doubt) indicate a striking absence.

[hydrtec]

Further, ZFF, SmartScareCrow and many others ought to be applauded for what they share so freely. This is in sharp contrast to industry/academia, where in my experience, technology is jealously guarded en-route to a patent application and comes second only to equally well guarded reputations. How often are papers not submitted for fear of ridicule by so called peers? I feel this is clearly not the case with regard to ZFF. Do yourself a favour, research, verify, collect data and THEN talk.

[SlavaVB]

you should make one inside of an epoxy filled module... then you dont have to worry about appearance and etching

[aet1972]

Zero, I have built a pwm like the one you have, one question I have is the cell you describe, is it the battery, and why a 10,000 ohm uF capacitor. Just curiuos other than that everything else is great. Thanks aet1972

[ZeroFossilFuel]

The stiffening cap is needed to supply the massive inrush currents of the square wave to the cell AND to help the MUR420G clip the back EMF induced transients to Vcc, the input voltage potential. Without it the MOSFET tends to run much hotter.

[Jmparts24]

i remember in middle school making stuff like that a long time ago. Why dont they teach that stuff now? I dunno, just brought back some memorys

[GeneralKlag]

This is really cool !

QUESTION:

How does it hook up to the Car ?

Does the current POT on the PWM get replaced with the output of the TPS ?

Thanks,

[GeneralKlag]

That was a stupid question, I need to learn how

to edit my posts. It's my first time :)

Ua... Will it not idle high at a stop light ?

[chz160]

B E A Utiful

[robin2247]

Hi Zero

I Have followed you videos with great interest and decided to build a PWM to your design but there appear to be discrepancies between the latest circuit diagram and the component layout diagram on your website.Have you updated the layout diagram and if so please can i have a copy or please post it on the web site.If this is not the case and I am misreading your information then please accept my apologies.Keep up the good work

[ZeroFossilFuel]

There are two style pots, horizontal and vertical, and two pcb's to go with. I'll be posting both soon. Right now it's just the horizontal drawing.

[robin2247]

Thanks Zero I will look forward to it

[napabryan272]

can you tell how to install a pwm board? on a toyota tacoma 3.4l engine?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

That's another way but A) It gives you only two settings and B) It's still manual and does not address the need for being totally automated, set once and forget, get in and just drive.

[itissoeas]

Hydro Man here. New dry cell (no water filled container) is almost completed. Initial trial runs yesterday show good results. 1.2 digital amps with 2.7 volts. No heat on wires. Bubbler shows 1 liter per feed which means whatever I send in, it will come out just as fast. 4 liter a minute so far.

Valve regulation to combat the off throttle vacume is what I am also working on. Micro switches are the key. Zero, look in a new direction and forget about the wet cell.

[john29302]

i still dont understand how pwm's do anything but limit current. that helps regulate output. but switching fom 6 cells to 7 cells does better. spst relay, and tap an extra plate. also me no forget power used by pwm is truly added to cells mmw. pmw is good for toy race cars, dc motors etc

[itissoeas]

John, Hydro man here! Wet cells are going to be a thing of the past soon.

No matter how you slice it, wet cells have too many restrictions that need to be overcome. Stanley M. did a good job but he covered up a lot of his work to protect himself. His patents had a lot of needless electronic devises to confuse a copy cat. I will show you a dry cell soon that will blow wet cells away. It is pathetic that our energy commisioner who sleeps with the pres. looks the other way on this!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Looking forward to that video!

[Jupiterironman]

Very Masterfully done!!!! Your work is simple and neat!!!

[hydrotruth1]

Hi there Zero,

first of all i'd like to congrats you on your amazing work and the time, effort, video posts and the love you put into your projects. I signed up today for the first time on youtube just to post you my comment.

Please keep up the good work and hope all goes well for you in the future!

[aet1972]

Do you think a toroid coil is necessary, similiar to the one in Stan Meyers original design? And will this help if I decide I want to put a HHO generator on my farm tractor?

[aet1972]

Can you tell me where I can get an etched PC Board like the one you in your videos.

[nanukepr69]

what cap do we use 10000 uf from the + to - or what? and on the EFIE on the web page do we follow the squematics or the drawing connections that U made, and are the value of the pot's correct?

Reguards from Puerto Rico

[babaluto]

Would love to see it Hydro!!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

As would we all. Nuf said.

[1MitchH1]

can we get a pc board like that 1?

[lwalperutube]

Or, if not the etched board, a camera ready image (PDF) of the board posted on your site along with a handy parts list so we can etch our own.

[FlashBackKiller]

Have you had any kind of wear or corrosion on your plates ?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

No.

[jefferswilson]

Greetings and salutations

If you are assembling the PCB's on a work bench as in the video, may a humble suggestion be to mount the components in order from smallest to largest, usually job goes quicker, looks better, and hot iron is best, less time feeding heat to joint, therefore less heat fed to component.

Keep up the good work.

Best regards

[itissoeas]

Zero, let me give you a few hints.

Toss the PWM. You are waisting your time with it. S. Meyer did not tell everyone his secrets. There were a lot of things that he presented in his patent that were meant to fool people to protect his invention. It is not the amount of amps/volts so lets take it to the next leval.

Here is todays hint: Break the water down to a mist. Forget about liquid cells. Virtually no voltage is required and you will be amaized at the results.

Hydroman.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Okay. Show us.

[GonaMarvel]

Thanks for all the info/testing/learning you share.

Maybe it's in the videos but I may have missed it; have you done measurements of output with v.s. without the PWM? under equal conditions (cell config, voltage, current, solution)? Again, Thanks!

[itissoeas]

I have done a fair share of note taking. Could have done more, some was a waist but you know how that goes. I find that the hotter the mixture is, the more excited and easer to make the split which took me to the next leval. I am currently working on a "dry" cell. The output is tremendious but it is unstable "too flamable". My amps and voltage are very low. As I continue to make gains, I will post for anyone to take the next leval. Always keep in mind, think outside of the box! Keep it up Zero!

[TimeOverMatter]

Did i miss something somewhere....where do i sign up for your news-letter? I looked on your website and did not see a place for a sign up sheet?

Hope you get those video disc soon or find another solution to the camera issue.

I might be able to put my hands on a cheap cheezie video camera, tri-pod mountable, records to SDmem cards, downloads with a usb to the camera. Not sure where I put the thing but as I remember it wasn't a half bad unit. Only issue I recall is it only runs on batterys

[phlathack]

Better you making a little extra $ for your design and time than a copycat. A kit would be cool though.

[Orangie2008]

Is the breadboard alternative posted on your site updated? I saw a couple of videos showing upgrades to it. Perhaps we who are cost conscious and able to solder up our own would do just as well with it?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

By all means do. The PWM hand wired board diagram is up to date.

[kasy4160]

Kasy here, I replaced the 1000uf cap and the 1N4004 diode with the Radial 4700uf and Rectifier as you suggested, My fan was running hot, almost burning up, and now I have a 3 volt voltage drop from my unit, even after putting back in the original cap and diode,, What happened to this design?

I do follow all your work Zero, and even sent you pics via email, but no response!

What do I need to replace to get my voltage back to par?

Thanks, Kasy

[shubus]

you might try moving your watermark to the bottom of the screen

[babaluto]

Nice board Zero,

What has become of the large filter capacitor. Did settle on a certain size?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

The solution is less complex than I first thought. I'm just looking for the least expensive alternative before I reveal.

[deltahho]

Nice Work Zero! Hope sales go well for you! Congrats

[offgrid2010]

Please explain. This is important to me. :-)

I thought you were going in the direction of very low amperage on your PWM and that big insight you had a while back would allow you to produce a lot of HHO at low current and heat. Isn't that the holy grail here? Keep up the fantastic work.

[InstallGuys]

HAHA...when people complain about prices, they fail to realize all the research and developement that led up to the final product(which can be a huge investment/endeavor).

Your PWM looks great, Z(sorry can't quite bring myself to call you "Zero"), and the printed boards will help you greatly. Great job.

Steve w/Installguys

[NuclearHoaxFuel]

I am a qualified electronics so this is nothing new to me,i just think it would be better to make a micro processor that changes frequency every 2 secs.

[Aphiticus]

It's great that your building them and selling them. Keep it up.

[thesouthsux000]

hey zero, im just a poor lower class guy. is it possible to order a kit? Like with all the pieces I need, ready to assembe ? If not its ok i understand you need to eat and pay bills too.. thx

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Not right away but I am planning on offering it as a complete ready-to-assemble kit down the road with full instructions.

[LTharle]

Why are you not istalling a socket for the IC?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Because the 324 is not a consumable item. In the very rare instance that they should fail, pulling the PC board and desoldering the old one to replace it is child's play.

[NuclearHoaxFuel]

225$ for this little thing you got to be crazy WOW!You can make for a lot less money a lot better one.

Like Bill Williams did, 2 x DUAL 556 timers.Generating multiple frequency harmonics...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Well, you know, my time is worth something. If yours is worth nothing then go for it. But better? I think not.

[steveman223]

don't disregard better...theres always better..always improvements

[vancecook7]

That sure goes a lot faster than using the bread board.

I have my bread board version almost done. Ran out of money just a few components short of being complete. *grumbles*. Hopefully complete next week. :)

[tekkenm2000]

like the water mark, just dont like it in the center. place at top or at bottem.. yeah i know, some jack A## stealing vids. ..

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yep. I put it in the center just in case the jack A## decided to try and crop it out or mask it with something of his own.

I gotta do what I gotta do.

I'll try to make it more transparent going forward but in the center is where it will stay.

[tekkenm2000]

understood. will just have to deal with it. otherwise, if someone wasn't being an a##.. yup.

[lutherp40]

Very Nice!

Hopefully I subscribed to your mailing list correctly.

A side note: You took all those watermarking your videos that everybody posted this week very seriously, didn't you. :-) I'm not complaining. Only making an observation. :)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I filed 10 copyright infringement complaints against that jerk last night, each reporting 5 unique infringements. I wonder if YouTube will ignore this as they have ignored everything else?

[lutherp40]

They only got one of mine (well 1 that I am aware of).

It took about 4 days, but the video will get pulled down eventually. But not until after they made their money from it ans smeared your good name.

I wonder if one could sue them? (rhetorical question)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I think we'd have to sue YouTube the way Viacom did for their neglegence.

[itsme16688]

you iron looks to be just a little too hot.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

700*. I prefer it to be a little hotter so I can work faster.