and also I like the pro life side better just becasue they are peaceful and loving. you are both rude mean and negative. those priests are strong men. they are even stronger to have put up with your crule comments. Pro abortion is Pro death. There is no majic that happens when a baby is born. It is the same inside as it is out. thats the argument. Is it okay to kill a CHILD. I am PRO women and PRO babies.
Simpletons can't comprehend the simple notion of abstinence . "How dare you stop my right of murdering an innocent life" But one can't watch television without seeing a commercial about animal cruelty. You savages have your priorities skewed.
I have yet to make up my mind completely about abortion but calling yourselves pro choice is just hypocritical lol. That baby had no choice. Take responsibility and sack up. In many cases i think abortion is perfectly acceptable though.
I also don't see the point of protesting against the Pro-Lifers and chanting thems at them. :/
Not to bash queerveganliberal or anyone else, but from my perspective; if someone's doing something that you see as very wrong or offensive and you decide to respond by doing the same thing, you're mainly just going down to their level.
I would just let them protest and ignore 'em. This isn't just because I'm Pro-Life (I guess you can say), I'd say the same thing if Pro-Choicers were picketing.
Wonder what would happen if I were to say that I'm Pro-Life on this video. xD
Anyways, I'm not for abortion except in cases where the mother's life is in danger or the fetus will not be viable (and by saying this I mean the baby will not survive outside the womb due to a medical condition or something else - not ANYthing else, people).
Do I think abortion should be legal? As of now, I'm not sure. I do think it may be necessary for medical purposes, though.
That is what you girls get for letting Eve eat that Apple!! Ok, I don't believe that. It is sad and there will be a lot of lonely Indian boys. I just shot a few million into a paper towel and threw it away but yet no story..... hmmm. Gross? I know, but why are you still reading this post? That means you are gross too. Did you know they let inmates on the internet for about 30 minutes a day in my Mental Health Facility? Well you do now, you sick-o.
That was cold. Interuppting their prayer? That takes guts. Then again, they came over there. It is like a mouse intentionally going near a cat :/ so lol I guess...
You people are fcked. I personally couldnt care less about abortion but I know there are people out there who cry tears at night because in their mind they live in a country were babies are slaughtered by the millions. If you support it, great, keep it to yourself you insensitive pricks.
Furthermore, what's with the "free" part? First off, nothing is "free". A medical procedure costs a doctor time and supplies and so they have to be reimbursed. I assume you mean you want the government to pay for abortions, right? But the government gets its money by taking it from your neighbors (basically by force) and so the "government's money" is in reality your neighbor's. So what you're really asking for is for your neighbors to pay for your abortion ON DEMAND, no less. How is that fair?
SINCER QUESTION: Why do gays care about abortions?? (If your page name is true, that is) Gay guys ain't getting anyone pregnant and lesbians have to actively and purposefully seek pregnancy thru non-sexual means, so why would the subject of abortion ever even enter into the gay "universe"? Since it's not a procedure any gay person would ever really need why protest so vigorously for it's availability?
Is it possibly because it's just a way to be anti-the-people-who-are-anti-abortion?
I like how people are telling you to repent. That's always fun. Thankyou for your support of this basic human right: the CHOICE of whether to be pregnant or not to be.
I think if a woman decides to kill the life she helped create, i think its justified if shes risking her life to kill another, i would rather she not even attempt it betraying her own family lines and womanhood.
No matter what you all say, its a human life she help create, its no less human or deserving to live then you or i, we have life, it has life, proof? we have human DNA so does it, we grow, it grows, it has a potential future so do we!
Facts are what if your mother and father said you didn't matter and you wern't important when you were conceived and had you terminated only thinking of themselves thinking you were not considered human yet because you just grew, even though you had human DNA and human life inside you, this is reality don't let the perception of lies cloud your minds.
Just because a fetus doesn't look like a child doesn't mean its not and we have a word for taking a life its called murder of ones own blood lines
Why are they hassling the clergy? Aren't they allowed to believe what they like as anyone else can, right?
Oh wait, these are chicagoans. They don't have respect for anything but their own beliefs.
I mean, come on, they aren't the ones that establish this legislation. We the people vote on it and there are even less clergy than there are republicans in illinois.
"i enjoy the 14th amendment but i don't want a woman who has a unwanted pregnancy to enjoy it too...no, my morality trumps her civil rights and personal autonomy to her body."
You don't think there is hypocrisy in "I'm going to protect my right to freedom by destroying a life... my "civil right" to selfishness trumps that of nature and the life inside me.." Quite frankly I could care less what you do with your offspring. Its actually better for me that people like you don't procreate. But don't get the facts twisted. Your view is just as hypocritical if not more so than the other. Too bad there isn't an abortion service for stupid people, post birth.
If you think the abortion of a sentient fetus is justifiable, you're the reason pro-lifers think pro-choicers are cruel. In your case, I agree with them.
Very true. The vast majority of aborted fetuses aren't sentient, and I fully support women's rights to abortions in those cases. But you implied that aborting a fetus neurologically capable of pain was morally defensible. Given that those cases constitute such a small number of annual abortions in the U.S., I'm not sure why you brought it up, but since you did I feel inclined to point out how callous your position is.
abortion in the last trimester are done for the woman's health or major defects, it's rare but necessary and you there is nothing you can do to prevent it from happening.
you have no power over any woman's body that is not in your legal care.
1. I didn't say you were callous, I said your position was callous.
2. Stop this "i don't care what you think," there's nothing you can do," "you have no power" shit. It's arrogant, irrelevant, overbearing, alienating and obnoxious.
2. truth, but you have your freedom of speech to express your opinions about abortion BUT it doesn't trump a woman's civil rights, personal autonomy, and the rights of the US CONSTITUTION'S 14TH AMENDMENT'S LIBERTY W/O DUE PROCESS TO HER BODY to have an abortion.
3. you twisted it, if woman's health is at risk and that fetus won't survive anyway, the best thing to do is abortion. the ability for the fetus of feeling pain is not a factor here. hint: last trimester.
1. Not relativism. It's an objective fact that I called your position, and not you, callous. We're talking about what I said here; whether or not your position is callous - the relative part - is point 3.
it's really relativism- because it's still fits unto this "beauty is the eye of the beholder" shit. you believe abortion is wrong and callous, i believe taking 14th amendment rights and civil rights to one's body away and forcing a woman to stay pregnant against her will is fascism. which you and your pro-life fascist movement really supports in reality.
you can't be forced to donate your kidney to save another life but you want to do that for women w/ unwanted pregnancies.
You're misunderstanding several things here. 1, you said I think abortion is wrong and callous, which is incorrect in most circumstances. 2, you implied I was pro-life, which is wrong. 3, you act like we're arguing over whether my stance on abortion is relative, which we're not. Of course that's relative. But whether I called you callous or not isn't relative. It's a matter of objective fact.
" the belief that a woman should be able to abort a sentient fetus in cases where it does not pose a threat to her health and does not have significant birth defects strikes me as inhumane." but you still forgetting that woman who carrying the unwanted fetus w/in her body and she has a civil rights and a 14th amendment protection...the fetus doesn't.
you have every right to think of that abortion as inhumane and to use your freedom of speech.
No, I'm not. Legality isn't synonymous with morality. In Chile, abortion is illegal without exception. The fetus has a civil right... and the woman doesn't. Unless you consider this law a valid argument against abortion, stop using laws on the other side as valid arguments for it.
And I couldn't fit this up there, but I'm perfectly fine with forcing people to donate kidneys to save other people's lives. I'd rather have someone get hurt or be forcibly operated on than have someone die.
America is not Chile, those two countries has nothing to do with each other unless your are taking about earth, the solar system, and the far corner of the milky war.
so why bring that up in this argument? i will continue bring up abortion laws that are relevant to America, since that is what you're bitching about; you can't fight against it.
at least, you admit you're a fascist, so when will you donate your own kidney? i guess never, right?
The fact that you're thinking about it in those terms should convince you that it wasn't a worthwhile conversation to have anyway. If winning or losing was even on your mind, I'm sorry to have spent my time talking with you.
Debating is for politicians. That was called dialogue. Sometimes human beings do it to advance their understanding of an issue together, or for the benefit of hearing opinions besides their own. To me, winning and losing have nothing to do with it. If you thought about it in different terms, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. At this point it looks like all we've done is proved how difficult it is to have respectful exchange about abortion.
it wasn't a dialogue but a debate. i don't benefit from your non-legal, sententious-fascist beliefs OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S BODY, civil and 14th amendments' rights, and personal autonomy.
and you lost, if you don't have any thing to add, leave me alone.
I think we're talking past each other. I'm not contesting the belief that a woman should be able to get an abortion for any reason before a fetus can feel pain. I'm also not questioning her right to get an abortion after a fetus can feel pain if the fetus has significant medical defects or poses a risk to her health, though it does make me uncomfortable.
(cont.) What I'm saying is that the belief that a woman should be able to abort a sentient fetus in cases where it does not pose a threat to her health and does not have significant birth defects strikes me as inhumane, and to me, your initial post implied that you held such a belief. If you didn't mean to imply that, I apologize. If you do believe that, I maintain that your position is a cruel one.
3. The original post to which I responded was "that 'life' whether it's has a conscious or not is UNWANTED inside MY body." Not "that life poses a health risk to me," not "that life has significant medical defects," but "that life... is UNWANTED." You directly implied mere undesirability was a legitimate reason to terminate a fetus capable of experiencing pain. If you don't see how that is a callous belief, I cannot help you.
"queerveganliberal" describes him/herself as "Against all...cruelty, in whatever form." So s/he puts up a video to advocate ripping (often) pain-sensitive human fetuses apart.
Fetuses don't develop nerve pathways until 27 weeks of development. They don't feel pain or suffer until then. The vast majority of abortions occur before 8 weeks of development. Less than 1% occur after the first trimester or 21 weeks of pregnancies. In other words over 99% of abortions have no pain involve. And those who do are done to organisms that can feel it minimally.
@queerveganliberal Since when is it ok to end a life just because they dont feel pain. Giving a person morphine and killing them is murder just like killing someone who doesnt have morphine is murder. Painlessness doesnt make ending a like ok..
@YZ450f24 WTF Ok, obviously you have never known anyone who has lived through "wartime" Bc believe me, my grandfather talked about many instances during WWII that they used morphine to help someone die a painless death. If the child is unwanted, or even worse the parents can't provide for it, it is seen by many as a mercy. Bc, seriously, you guys say "adoption" but what that really means is they end up being a part of the system for the most part. It is very cruel.
@MissIndianaJones83 So you put a child to death as an act of mercy because its parents are poor. Okay. Let's just let that sink in for a second. Drink in the sheer nazi logic of it.
Yes, we say "adoption". You say they "end up being a part of the system for the most part". What system? Steve Jobs was adopted. For the most part, he seems to have been part of the system of being incredibly awesome and successful for the most part.
Furthermore, real and suffering is felt by women when abortion is a crime. It can take up to several painful weeks for a woman to die from a back-alley abortion. Thousands went through such a fate before Roe v. Wade. That is the real cruelty
It's not about the fetus it's about the woman's right to give birth, or not. The fetus has no rights, besides not having sense of pain. Let's compare the pain of carrying and birthing to the pain of an undeveloped nervous system. Go ahead ask any woman who has given birth. Now imagine going through all that for a child you don't even want. Why would a woman do that?!? To satisfy YOUR morals, or religious views?!? What if the woman doesn't share those views?
I got Idea pay visit to Nation of Islam you would not last 2 minutes.
Gays should be killed like they do in Middle East. If you live in Iran or any of those countrys they would kill your big mouth would not being saying shit then. If I was in charge this country I would have your bunch killed right away.
Hmmm, a Pro-Lifer wanting to kill somebody... irony? Gay people are perfectly normal and awesome. I hope you aren't religious, because then you'd be an even bigger hypocrite. Somebody being gay does not affect you in any way, so why should you care? Let's make this a world of love, instead of a world of hate. :)
"Anti-choice". Words have meaning, and "pro-choice" leaders are responsible for the words they use. The "choice" in their "pro-choice" label includes the "choice" to kill the human unborn baby. To complete their slogan, they are "pro-choice to kill". So when it comes to being "pro-choice" to crush (slice or otherwise dismember) an unanesthesized unborn baby to death, "anti-choice" starts sounding like a compliment.
@queerveganliberal If every woman died in a back ally trying to get an abortion they died trying to kill there own child, immoral!
Ya your morals are clearly shown in the way you treat people, this is what i see a lot of from pro-choice people, hate and excuses, making over rated excuses why a child isn't a child because its just at the fetus stage.
Maybe you think abortions good because you wish you were never born to begin with, then again if your mother aborted you, you wouldn't be here.
@queerveganliberal Thats like trying to argue that the criminal who climbed the fence and died in the barbed wire wouldnt have died if the the prison guards would have just let him go. Thats like ok, lets make nothing illegal just so people wont have anything bad happen to them when they break the law...Thats absurd.
@YZ450f24 An excellent point. Of course, they don't have to respond to logic or reasoning or anything, because we're just anti-woman anti-choice pigs after all.
countless of others??? you had maybe 12 people.
and also I like the pro life side better just becasue they are peaceful and loving. you are both rude mean and negative. those priests are strong men. they are even stronger to have put up with your crule comments. Pro abortion is Pro death. There is no majic that happens when a baby is born. It is the same inside as it is out. thats the argument. Is it okay to kill a CHILD. I am PRO women and PRO babies.
SDavidAndrew 6 days ago
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Simpletons can't comprehend the simple notion of abstinence . "How dare you stop my right of murdering an innocent life" But one can't watch television without seeing a commercial about animal cruelty. You savages have your priorities skewed.
kcufmalsi 1 month ago
I have yet to make up my mind completely about abortion but calling yourselves pro choice is just hypocritical lol. That baby had no choice. Take responsibility and sack up. In many cases i think abortion is perfectly acceptable though.
ThorTheOdinSon 5 months ago
I also don't see the point of protesting against the Pro-Lifers and chanting thems at them. :/
Not to bash queerveganliberal or anyone else, but from my perspective; if someone's doing something that you see as very wrong or offensive and you decide to respond by doing the same thing, you're mainly just going down to their level.
I would just let them protest and ignore 'em. This isn't just because I'm Pro-Life (I guess you can say), I'd say the same thing if Pro-Choicers were picketing.
AmongTheDispersed 5 months ago
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AmongTheDispersed 5 months ago
Wonder what would happen if I were to say that I'm Pro-Life on this video. xD
Anyways, I'm not for abortion except in cases where the mother's life is in danger or the fetus will not be viable (and by saying this I mean the baby will not survive outside the womb due to a medical condition or something else - not ANYthing else, people).
Do I think abortion should be legal? As of now, I'm not sure. I do think it may be necessary for medical purposes, though.
These are just opinions :)
AmongTheDispersed 5 months ago
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queerveganilberal
I think you had something with fire at Women Center. I hope they find out it was you fruit cake then go jail get your ass kick or even killed.
Burn Hell Fag
whitesox2005ify 8 months ago
That is what you girls get for letting Eve eat that Apple!! Ok, I don't believe that. It is sad and there will be a lot of lonely Indian boys. I just shot a few million into a paper towel and threw it away but yet no story..... hmmm. Gross? I know, but why are you still reading this post? That means you are gross too. Did you know they let inmates on the internet for about 30 minutes a day in my Mental Health Facility? Well you do now, you sick-o.
glenlackey2 9 months ago
FREE abortion on demand?
Pay for your own damn abortions. You don't like other people rosaries on your ovaries but have no problem with your hands in other people's wallets.
Moochers.
TempusFugit101 9 months ago
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That was cold. Interuppting their prayer? That takes guts. Then again, they came over there. It is like a mouse intentionally going near a cat :/ so lol I guess...
Ryuzaki444 9 months ago
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Ryuzaki444 9 months ago
You people are fcked. I personally couldnt care less about abortion but I know there are people out there who cry tears at night because in their mind they live in a country were babies are slaughtered by the millions. If you support it, great, keep it to yourself you insensitive pricks.
icef1sh 10 months ago
Furthermore, what's with the "free" part? First off, nothing is "free". A medical procedure costs a doctor time and supplies and so they have to be reimbursed. I assume you mean you want the government to pay for abortions, right? But the government gets its money by taking it from your neighbors (basically by force) and so the "government's money" is in reality your neighbor's. So what you're really asking for is for your neighbors to pay for your abortion ON DEMAND, no less. How is that fair?
eluminated 1 year ago
@eluminated And "your neighbors" are paying for the spawn of those opportunists who are too young, stupid, irresponsible and incompetent!
hopingtoflyaway 11 months ago
SINCER QUESTION: Why do gays care about abortions?? (If your page name is true, that is) Gay guys ain't getting anyone pregnant and lesbians have to actively and purposefully seek pregnancy thru non-sexual means, so why would the subject of abortion ever even enter into the gay "universe"? Since it's not a procedure any gay person would ever really need why protest so vigorously for it's availability?
Is it possibly because it's just a way to be anti-the-people-who-are-anti-abortion?
eluminated 1 year ago
@eluminated
haleybailey1988 9 months ago
You guys rock! Wish I could be there counter protesting with you!
loner1878 1 year ago
I like how people are telling you to repent. That's always fun. Thankyou for your support of this basic human right: the CHOICE of whether to be pregnant or not to be.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
i like george carlin's take on pro-lifers. they're all for the unborn, but once your born its f-u rip brutha!
lv42daze 1 year ago
I think if a woman decides to kill the life she helped create, i think its justified if shes risking her life to kill another, i would rather she not even attempt it betraying her own family lines and womanhood.
No matter what you all say, its a human life she help create, its no less human or deserving to live then you or i, we have life, it has life, proof? we have human DNA so does it, we grow, it grows, it has a potential future so do we!
Human life should be enough of a reason.
billybonds007 1 year ago
Facts are what if your mother and father said you didn't matter and you wern't important when you were conceived and had you terminated only thinking of themselves thinking you were not considered human yet because you just grew, even though you had human DNA and human life inside you, this is reality don't let the perception of lies cloud your minds.
Just because a fetus doesn't look like a child doesn't mean its not and we have a word for taking a life its called murder of ones own blood lines
billybonds007 1 year ago
Wow this is sick!
This is what happens when a point of view rules over common sense.
Peoples perspective and selfishness mix together in this hate like environment, i bet these people would make great Nazi's!
Don't wanna have baby's? get fixed that simple.
Deny this, is a fetus a child? yes for as long as man has been around its been referred to as a child and whatever you call it, it is alive!
You and me where that life for and still are, would you like to be aborted?
billybonds007 1 year ago
you guys rock!!!!! check out national network of abortion funds
leiapeison 1 year ago
@ 0:21: "No Restrictions, No Apologies".
The first fatality in an abortion is the unborn baby who is killed.
The second fatality is the conscience of those involved in the killing.
kweer58 1 year ago
queer? ok.
vegan? NOOOO!! i love cheeseburgers. (J/k.)
liberal? sweet!
good stuff.
HARDCOREKDUBB 1 year ago
Why are they hassling the clergy? Aren't they allowed to believe what they like as anyone else can, right?
Oh wait, these are chicagoans. They don't have respect for anything but their own beliefs.
I mean, come on, they aren't the ones that establish this legislation. We the people vote on it and there are even less clergy than there are republicans in illinois.
Can you say 'landslide'?
romeosevendelta 2 years ago
good job!
fuck those pro-life fascist hypocrites.
"i enjoy the 14th amendment but i don't want a woman who has a unwanted pregnancy to enjoy it too...no, my morality trumps her civil rights and personal autonomy to her body."
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
You don't think there is hypocrisy in "I'm going to protect my right to freedom by destroying a life... my "civil right" to selfishness trumps that of nature and the life inside me.." Quite frankly I could care less what you do with your offspring. Its actually better for me that people like you don't procreate. But don't get the facts twisted. Your view is just as hypocritical if not more so than the other. Too bad there isn't an abortion service for stupid people, post birth.
gatorugby 2 years ago
no, because that "life" whether it's has a conscious or not is UNWANTED inside MY body.
if you are taking about "life" in a manufacture uterus, i would agree with you.
you can call it being selfish but you're not going to be the one suffering bodily harm and the aftermath from pregnancy, labor and delivery.
if you truly care about nature, why are you on a computer? your comment is just relativism.
but i have a feeling if someone forced you to donate your kidney, you would bitch about it.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
If you think the abortion of a sentient fetus is justifiable, you're the reason pro-lifers think pro-choicers are cruel. In your case, I agree with them.
DrazharX 2 years ago
most abortions happen when it's NOT sentient, so it justifies itself even more when you count the civil rights of women's bodies.
i don't care what you think really.
you had no rights to protest in front of someone house like that.
go waste your time protesting at an abortion clinic and feel powerless.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
forget the house thing.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
Very true. The vast majority of aborted fetuses aren't sentient, and I fully support women's rights to abortions in those cases. But you implied that aborting a fetus neurologically capable of pain was morally defensible. Given that those cases constitute such a small number of annual abortions in the U.S., I'm not sure why you brought it up, but since you did I feel inclined to point out how callous your position is.
DrazharX 2 years ago
abortion in the last trimester are done for the woman's health or major defects, it's rare but necessary and you there is nothing you can do to prevent it from happening.
you have no power over any woman's body that is not in your legal care.
why supporting the truth makes me callous?
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
1. I didn't say you were callous, I said your position was callous.
2. Stop this "i don't care what you think," there's nothing you can do," "you have no power" shit. It's arrogant, irrelevant, overbearing, alienating and obnoxious.
DrazharX 2 years ago
1. relativism
2. truth, but you have your freedom of speech to express your opinions about abortion BUT it doesn't trump a woman's civil rights, personal autonomy, and the rights of the US CONSTITUTION'S 14TH AMENDMENT'S LIBERTY W/O DUE PROCESS TO HER BODY to have an abortion.
3. you twisted it, if woman's health is at risk and that fetus won't survive anyway, the best thing to do is abortion. the ability for the fetus of feeling pain is not a factor here. hint: last trimester.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
3. most abortion are done BEFORE it has the ability to feel any pain...so the reason of being unwanted is justified.
but if you want to kill a pregnant woman to save a fetus that would die w/o her anyway...be my guess.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
1. Not relativism. It's an objective fact that I called your position, and not you, callous. We're talking about what I said here; whether or not your position is callous - the relative part - is point 3.
DrazharX 2 years ago
it's really relativism- because it's still fits unto this "beauty is the eye of the beholder" shit. you believe abortion is wrong and callous, i believe taking 14th amendment rights and civil rights to one's body away and forcing a woman to stay pregnant against her will is fascism. which you and your pro-life fascist movement really supports in reality.
you can't be forced to donate your kidney to save another life but you want to do that for women w/ unwanted pregnancies.
how callous of U
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
You're misunderstanding several things here. 1, you said I think abortion is wrong and callous, which is incorrect in most circumstances. 2, you implied I was pro-life, which is wrong. 3, you act like we're arguing over whether my stance on abortion is relative, which we're not. Of course that's relative. But whether I called you callous or not isn't relative. It's a matter of objective fact.
DrazharX 2 years ago
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" the belief that a woman should be able to abort a sentient fetus in cases where it does not pose a threat to her health and does not have significant birth defects strikes me as inhumane." but you still forgetting that woman who carrying the unwanted fetus w/in her body and she has a civil rights and a 14th amendment protection...the fetus doesn't.
you have every right to think of that abortion as inhumane and to use your freedom of speech.
it's not your pregnancy.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
No, I'm not. Legality isn't synonymous with morality. In Chile, abortion is illegal without exception. The fetus has a civil right... and the woman doesn't. Unless you consider this law a valid argument against abortion, stop using laws on the other side as valid arguments for it.
And I couldn't fit this up there, but I'm perfectly fine with forcing people to donate kidneys to save other people's lives. I'd rather have someone get hurt or be forcibly operated on than have someone die.
DrazharX 2 years ago
again relativism- moral relativism.
America is not Chile, those two countries has nothing to do with each other unless your are taking about earth, the solar system, and the far corner of the milky war.
so why bring that up in this argument? i will continue bring up abortion laws that are relevant to America, since that is what you're bitching about; you can't fight against it.
at least, you admit you're a fascist, so when will you donate your own kidney? i guess never, right?
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
so when are you going to force someone not to get an abortion? when are you going to force someone to donate their kidney? lol.
i guess, in your logic, as long as it's not you who is being forced, right?
1."which is incorrect in most circumstances" relative.
2. so what the fuck are you?
3. you do know that relativism, right?
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
Read this whole conversation again. Then make another post answering your own questions.
DrazharX 2 years ago
i won.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
The fact that you're thinking about it in those terms should convince you that it wasn't a worthwhile conversation to have anyway. If winning or losing was even on your mind, I'm sorry to have spent my time talking with you.
DrazharX 2 years ago
honey, it's called a debate and you lost.
now go cry in defeat. your tears taste sweet, like skittles.
bye.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
Debating is for politicians. That was called dialogue. Sometimes human beings do it to advance their understanding of an issue together, or for the benefit of hearing opinions besides their own. To me, winning and losing have nothing to do with it. If you thought about it in different terms, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. At this point it looks like all we've done is proved how difficult it is to have respectful exchange about abortion.
DrazharX 2 years ago
it wasn't a dialogue but a debate. i don't benefit from your non-legal, sententious-fascist beliefs OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S BODY, civil and 14th amendments' rights, and personal autonomy.
and you lost, if you don't have any thing to add, leave me alone.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
I think we're talking past each other. I'm not contesting the belief that a woman should be able to get an abortion for any reason before a fetus can feel pain. I'm also not questioning her right to get an abortion after a fetus can feel pain if the fetus has significant medical defects or poses a risk to her health, though it does make me uncomfortable.
DrazharX 2 years ago
(cont.) What I'm saying is that the belief that a woman should be able to abort a sentient fetus in cases where it does not pose a threat to her health and does not have significant birth defects strikes me as inhumane, and to me, your initial post implied that you held such a belief. If you didn't mean to imply that, I apologize. If you do believe that, I maintain that your position is a cruel one.
DrazharX 2 years ago
3. The original post to which I responded was "that 'life' whether it's has a conscious or not is UNWANTED inside MY body." Not "that life poses a health risk to me," not "that life has significant medical defects," but "that life... is UNWANTED." You directly implied mere undesirability was a legitimate reason to terminate a fetus capable of experiencing pain. If you don't see how that is a callous belief, I cannot help you.
DrazharX 2 years ago
"queerveganliberal" describes him/herself as "Against all...cruelty, in whatever form." So s/he puts up a video to advocate ripping (often) pain-sensitive human fetuses apart.
catburger1000 2 years ago
Fetuses don't develop nerve pathways until 27 weeks of development. They don't feel pain or suffer until then. The vast majority of abortions occur before 8 weeks of development. Less than 1% occur after the first trimester or 21 weeks of pregnancies. In other words over 99% of abortions have no pain involve. And those who do are done to organisms that can feel it minimally.
queerveganliberal 2 years ago 11
@queerveganliberal Since when is it ok to end a life just because they dont feel pain. Giving a person morphine and killing them is murder just like killing someone who doesnt have morphine is murder. Painlessness doesnt make ending a like ok..
YZ450f24 7 months ago
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""Since when is it ok to end a life just because they dont feel pain.""
when it requires the use of another persons body for substance against said persons will
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@YZ450f24 WTF Ok, obviously you have never known anyone who has lived through "wartime" Bc believe me, my grandfather talked about many instances during WWII that they used morphine to help someone die a painless death. If the child is unwanted, or even worse the parents can't provide for it, it is seen by many as a mercy. Bc, seriously, you guys say "adoption" but what that really means is they end up being a part of the system for the most part. It is very cruel.
MissIndianaJones83 1 month ago
@MissIndianaJones83 So you put a child to death as an act of mercy because its parents are poor. Okay. Let's just let that sink in for a second. Drink in the sheer nazi logic of it.
Yes, we say "adoption". You say they "end up being a part of the system for the most part". What system? Steve Jobs was adopted. For the most part, he seems to have been part of the system of being incredibly awesome and successful for the most part.
Then cancer caught up with Steve and aborted him.
circushead 3 weeks ago
Furthermore, real and suffering is felt by women when abortion is a crime. It can take up to several painful weeks for a woman to die from a back-alley abortion. Thousands went through such a fate before Roe v. Wade. That is the real cruelty
queerveganliberal 2 years ago 5
Denial is one of the symptoms of a deadened conscience.
catburger1000 2 years ago 2
@catburger1000
It's not about the fetus it's about the woman's right to give birth, or not. The fetus has no rights, besides not having sense of pain. Let's compare the pain of carrying and birthing to the pain of an undeveloped nervous system. Go ahead ask any woman who has given birth. Now imagine going through all that for a child you don't even want. Why would a woman do that?!? To satisfy YOUR morals, or religious views?!? What if the woman doesn't share those views?
jesusisbling 2 years ago
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catburger1000 2 years ago
Look at the "choice" you are advocating: Center for Bio-Ethical Reform website.
catburger1000 2 years ago
@queerveganliberal
Fag
I got Idea pay visit to Nation of Islam you would not last 2 minutes.
Gays should be killed like they do in Middle East. If you live in Iran or any of those countrys they would kill your big mouth would not being saying shit then. If I was in charge this country I would have your bunch killed right away.
whitesox2005ify 8 months ago
@whitesox2005ify
Hmmm, a Pro-Lifer wanting to kill somebody... irony? Gay people are perfectly normal and awesome. I hope you aren't religious, because then you'd be an even bigger hypocrite. Somebody being gay does not affect you in any way, so why should you care? Let's make this a world of love, instead of a world of hate. :)
TeensForTheFuture 8 months ago
"Anti-choice". Words have meaning, and "pro-choice" leaders are responsible for the words they use. The "choice" in their "pro-choice" label includes the "choice" to kill the human unborn baby. To complete their slogan, they are "pro-choice to kill". So when it comes to being "pro-choice" to crush (slice or otherwise dismember) an unanesthesized unborn baby to death, "anti-choice" starts sounding like a compliment.
kweer58 2 years ago 2
If all the people in this video were aborted
then this video would not exist. ABORTION KILLS INNOCENT BABIES.
REPENT AND STOP PROMOTING EVIL.
2000yrCatholic 2 years ago
If every woman in the world died from back alley abortions then it wouldn't exist either.
ILLEGALIZING ABORTION KILLS INNOCENT WOMEN. REPENT MY ASS AND FUCK OFF.
queerveganliberal 2 years ago 10
@queerveganliberal If every woman died in a back ally trying to get an abortion they died trying to kill there own child, immoral!
Ya your morals are clearly shown in the way you treat people, this is what i see a lot of from pro-choice people, hate and excuses, making over rated excuses why a child isn't a child because its just at the fetus stage.
Maybe you think abortions good because you wish you were never born to begin with, then again if your mother aborted you, you wouldn't be here.
billybonds007 1 year ago
If these people were never born, then they wouldn't be born. Brilliant deduction!
juliewashere88 2 years ago
Lol. This is awesome. :) Keep up the good work.
juliewashere88 2 years ago
You guys are murderers plain and simple. Abortion is just wrong.
noplannedparenthood 2 years ago
The real murder is the murder of women when abortion was illegal. There is blood of thousands of women all over your movement's hands.
queerveganliberal 2 years ago 4
@queerveganliberal Thats like trying to argue that the criminal who climbed the fence and died in the barbed wire wouldnt have died if the the prison guards would have just let him go. Thats like ok, lets make nothing illegal just so people wont have anything bad happen to them when they break the law...Thats absurd.
YZ450f24 7 months ago
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rumpranger65 7 months ago
@YZ450f24 An excellent point. Of course, they don't have to respond to logic or reasoning or anything, because we're just anti-woman anti-choice pigs after all.
rumpranger65 7 months ago